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1. 02:36 AM - Re: Metal primer (flea)
2. 02:52 AM - New Member, NW Arkansas (RickBright)
3. 04:08 AM - Re: Covering question (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:13 AM - Re: Covering question (Don Emch)
5. 04:16 AM - Re: Metal primer (Don Emch)
6. 04:30 AM - Re: New Member, NW Arkansas (Don Emch)
7. 04:36 AM - Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI (Don Emch)
8. 04:48 AM - Re: Re: New Member, NW Arkansas (Jack)
9. 05:08 AM - Re: Metal primer (Doug Dever)
10. 05:26 AM - Re: Re: Metal primer (C N Campbell)
11. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: Metal primer (Jim Markle)
12. 06:24 AM - Old Member....NE Oklahoma (Jim Markle)
13. 06:33 AM - Re: Metal primer (Bill Church)
14. 08:32 AM - Re: Old Member....NE Oklahoma (RickBright)
15. 08:41 AM - Re: Metal primer (flea)
16. 08:42 AM - Re: New Member, NW Arkansas (RickBright)
17. 09:30 AM - Re: New Member, NW Arkansas (flea)
18. 09:56 AM - Re: Father/son build team with engine question (Don Emch)
19. 10:00 AM - Re: Metal primer (Barry Davis)
20. 11:05 AM - Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI (Brett Phillips)
21. 11:26 AM - Re: Re: Metal primer (C N Campbell)
22. 12:23 PM - Re: New Member, NW Arkansas (Pietn38b@aol.com)
23. 01:14 PM - Re: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI (Gene Rambo)
24. 03:09 PM - Re: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI (Brett Phillips)
25. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI (helspersew@aol.com)
26. 04:47 PM - Re: Metal primer (Doug Dever)
27. 04:59 PM - Re: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI (Gene Rambo)
28. 05:59 PM - Re: Metal primer (Bill Church)
29. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: Metal primer (Kenneth M. Heide)
30. 06:37 PM - Pietenpols and Movies (gliderx5@comcast.net)
31. 06:53 PM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Jack Phillips)
32. 06:54 PM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (flea)
33. 07:34 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpols and Movies (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
34. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA FORSCOM)
35. 08:08 PM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (tools)
36. 08:22 PM - Re: Metal primer (Bill Church)
37. 09:21 PM - Re: Metal primer (tdudley@umn.edu)
38. 09:36 PM - Re: New Member, NW Arkansas (K5YAC)
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
I was going to suggest both of those, instead I will second them both.
I used to paint in the USAF, we used two part epoxy primer. I reckon if it's good
enough for 400 KTS, it's good enough for 80.
After watching a friend of mine powder coat a few car parts I was impressed with
just how simple and fast it was. He used an old second hand oven in his work
shop set to the highest temp. HF has a powder coating setup for 75 bucks and
the powder for 5.
If you're already setup for paint, then I'd look at a two part epoxy primer. If
you need to go shopping, then consider powder coating. 80 for the equipment and
the powder of your choice and the cost of an old oven from Craigslist, the
process was simple too, preheat the part, apply powder, bake on and cool.
Jim.
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| Subject: | New Member, NW Arkansas |
Just a guy who wants to fly here, I recently found this site and saw a picture
of an Pietenpol for my first time a few weeks ago and am in the very early stages
of fullfilling a life long dream... I have a 80 acre pasture behind my house
and for years have thought of flying something out of it. I learned to fly
in 1973 when I was 17, took lessons and did a few cross countries in a Cessna,
spent 12 years in the Navy, married, allowed life to get in the way and have
not flown in years.
I wrote down the name Pietenpol on a piece of paper a week ago, went to an elderly
neighbor of mine who is a master mechinic, machinist, Model A nut and asked
him if he had ever heard of one. He gave me that look, said come in the shop,
went to a desk started pulling old aviation clippings and articles, several
on Pietenpol's. Knew all about them.
I am a former cabinet maker, do metal work and blacksmithing, have a shop full
of metal and woodworking machines, all my machines are old school manual machines
but they seem to get the work done.
Are there any members in the Arkansas, Missouri Oklahoma area who would like a
visitor? I would appreciate getting to see a project or a completed aircraft.
Also I am looking at the project presently on E-Bay, any thoughts or comments
appreciated. I know this would advance me a couple of years. The project is wider
and some {4") has been added to the length. Can someone tell me if extra
length would prevent me from going with the Model A Engine?
Thanks in advance
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
And just maybe we'll all get to see how good, if Rambo manages to show at B
rodhead this year. He's been quiet. Makes me nervous.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 22, 2011 8:00 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
And it came out looking pretty good. The best copy of Gene's Piet that one
could possibly make. ;)
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On Thu, Dec 22, 2011 at 7:14 PM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
Covered NX929DH in 1.7 oz. fabric. Glad I did.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 22, 2011 4:58 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Covering question
>
Some of you may remember that back in October/November, Barnstormers had an
ad
or a Pietenpol project that was up in Warren, ME. 6 months of the year, I
live
bout 35 miles from there so road trip it is. Bought the project on the spo
t
or several reasons. 1. The fellow and his son who built the thing also
estored and built classy wooden canoes; Old Town and the like. I saw the l
evel
f craftsmanship on them and on the Piet was, embarrassingly, better than mi
ne
nd not just a little. 2. The guy who did the welding of the landing gear,
ngine mount, and so on, is the head guy in the restoration shop at Owl's He
ad
ransportation Museum (ohtm.org). They fly rides in a Waco and Stearman and
ave made FLYING replicas of a Bleriot, a Taube, a Curtiss D, and a bunch of
thers. He knows how to weld. 3. The father and son did not work in a vac
uum.
ome of you may know Karl Erickson. He's been around Piets for years and ha
s
wned, I think, 3. He provided the equivalent !
of Tech Counselor advice. 4. The project was essentially ready for cover,
aving me probably 2 years. The plane had been assembled and the control
igging done so the major project groups left are covering, FWF, and
nstruments.
This is all by way of preface. The duo covered the tail feathers and ailer
ons
ith ceconite and butyrate dope using 1.7 oz fabric and there is enough 1.7
oz
abric to do the rest of the plane. Meanwhile, I have purchased enough 2.7
oz
abric to do an entire airplane and gotten a start on purchasing the Stewart
ystem glue and stuff.
Finally, the question. What do I do with the tail feathers and 1.7 oz fabr
ic?
ooks like I have several choices. 1. Leave the tail feathers as is and do
the
est of the plane with either 1.7 or 2.7 fabric A local A&P says that you
houldn't mix em. 2. Strip the old dope and fabric off and start over with
ither 1.7 or 2.7 oz fabric. 3. Just continue with the dope and use the
tewart another day. All choices imply a question of which fabric is
referable. I am inclined to option 2 with the heavier fabric on at least t
he
uselage.
Any inputs are appreciated. I've looked at the archives for fabric prefere
nce
nd found a spectrum of opinions. Does the use of the Stewart system change
any
f them?
Included in the pile o stuff was a set (4) of cub lift struts. For those o
f you
ho have used them, would you do it again or just start with new? Again, th
e
rchives are ambivalent.
Thanks in advance.
Dave Aldrich
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| Subject: | Re: Covering question |
I have a little of both on my Piet, 1.7 oz and 2.7 oz. I've used both Poly Fiber
and dope on different projects. I'm a fan of dope. But that's just my preference.
Darn dope prices really jumped a couple of months ago. Just placed
an order and was really shocked compared to an order I placed back in the summer...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
Another thought is to head down to the local NAPA. They sell a two part epoxy
primer that is very similar to the Randolph and Poly Fiber. Can be sprayed with
thinning or just brushed on for pretty good results. Covering materials won't
bother it...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
Rick... Sounds like you are really set up to build a Piet. Just something to consider...
if you are going to use a Model A it is best to really adhere to the
plans and really keep it light. Just ask the guys that have built and are flying
Model A Piets. I think you would be happier if you built from the beginning.
Just my thoughts though. If you are ever in the NE Ohio or Western PA
area, look me up. I could show you mine or a little ways off are Frank Pavliga's
Sky Gypsy and Alan Rudolph's '33 example with a Model A. All three could
be seen in a matter of a couple hours.
Don Emch
NX899DE
(330) 429-5265
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| Subject: | Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI |
For any of you that are building a terneplate tank like in the plans, I have a
resource for you. While repairing some 70 year old Taylorcraft terneplate tanks
I came across these guys...
http://josephjenkins.com/store/
They stock the old hand irons, tin, the correct solder, and flux. Great prices.
Really great people to talk to, too, about soldering. Now if you can just
find Larry Williams' old article about soldering up a tank, you're all set to
build a cheap functional tank.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
Rick, I agree with Don. I purchased a partially completed Piet and ended up
using very little of the project. I sold the ribs, tail and gave the
fuselage to a friend. I'm redoing the wheels to make them acceptable.
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 6:28 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Member, NW Arkansas
Rick... Sounds like you are really set up to build a Piet. Just something
to consider... if you are going to use a Model A it is best to really adhere
to the plans and really keep it light. Just ask the guys that have built
and are flying Model A Piets. I think you would be happier if you built
from the beginning. Just my thoughts though. If you are ever in the NE
Ohio or Western PA area, look me up. I could show you mine or a little ways
off are Frank Pavliga's Sky Gypsy and Alan Rudolph's '33 example with a
Model A. All three could be seen in a matter of a couple hours.
Don Emch
NX899DE
(330) 429-5265
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Last time I painted anything aircraft I used Epoxy Zinc Chromate.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
> From: tdudley@umn.edu
> Date: Thu=2C 22 Dec 2011 19:04:51 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm goin
g to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
>
> I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it a
vailable at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks=2C but was wondering if it was an ite
m I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
autobody shops that have auto metal primers=2C but the ones I've seen don'
t have zinc chromate as an ingredient.
>
> Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have zi
nc chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to o
rder from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood=2C metals
=2C glues=2C bolts=2C cables=2C etc.)
>
> Thanks=2C
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> Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
Jim said,
......... consider powder coating. 80 for the equipment and the powder of
your choice and the cost of an old oven from Craigslist, the process was
simple too, preheat the part, apply powder, bake on and cool.
OK. I'll ask the question ---- "Where do we get the instructions on how to
Powder Coat?" Chuck
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
Jim now says:
There are a lot of articles out there on the world wide interweb on how people
have done it...
Here's one (didn't read the entire article but it looks like good info) I found
after doing a quick google search:
http://homemetalshopclub.org/projects/powder.pdf
There's really not much to the process. Sandblast the parts...spray on the powder....bake.
If you decide to move forward, let me know and I'll take some pics
of my setup, add some comments and send them to you.
Or contact me offlist and we can get on the phone. I may be coming out to Raleigh
in late January (don't know for sure yet...) so get your stuff setup and we
an do some powder coating when I get there! :-)
Happy holidays to everyone!
JM
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>From: C N Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
>Sent: Dec 23, 2011 7:22 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal primer
>
>
>Jim said,
>......... consider powder coating. 80 for the equipment and the powder of
>your choice and the cost of an old oven from Craigslist, the process was
>simple too, preheat the part, apply powder, bake on and cool.
>
>OK. I'll ask the question ---- "Where do we get the instructions on how to
>Powder Coat?" Chuck
>
>
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| Subject: | Old Member....NE Oklahoma |
Hi Rick!
Welcome to the list. To say that you will not find a better group of people anywhere
is a bit of an understatement. Mr Pietenpol's wonderful design and the
friends you'll make here all adds up to what can be an incredible adventure.
If you'll build to the plans and stick with it.
If you're the Richard Brightwell in the Harrison area, I'm just about straight
west of you, between Tulsa and Joplin. Not far as the crow flys but as we know,
it can take forever to drive those roads in your area!
I have a Model A Piet, almost ready to cover. So you better hurry and get over
here and....nah, you have plenty of time! :-) I just went from "part time"
to "full time" employment and haven't been getting much done lately.
And Mark Chouinard is building a Piet (I'm sure he'll also respond to your note)
near Tulsa. I'm sure I can speak for both of us and say please come over for
a visit!
Check out westcoastpiet.com for a wealth of Pietenpol information, primarily the
pictures.
Contact me offlist whenever you're in the are and let's get together for a visit!
Jim Markle
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>From: RickBright <brightwellrichard@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 23, 2011 4:50 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Member, NW Arkansas
>
>
>Just a guy who wants to fly here, I recently found this site and saw a picture
of an Pietenpol for my first time a few weeks ago and am in the very early stages
of fullfilling a life long dream... I have a 80 acre pasture behind my house
and for years have thought of flying something out of it. I learned to fly
in 1973 when I was 17, took lessons and did a few cross countries in a Cessna,
spent 12 years in the Navy, married, allowed life to get in the way and have
not flown in years.
> I wrote down the name Pietenpol on a piece of paper a week ago, went to an elderly
neighbor of mine who is a master mechinic, machinist, Model A nut and asked
him if he had ever heard of one. He gave me that look, said come in the shop,
went to a desk started pulling old aviation clippings and articles, several
on Pietenpol's. Knew all about them.
> I am a former cabinet maker, do metal work and blacksmithing, have a shop full
of metal and woodworking machines, all my machines are old school manual machines
but they seem to get the work done.
> Are there any members in the Arkansas, Missouri Oklahoma area who would like
a visitor? I would appreciate getting to see a project or a completed aircraft.
> Also I am looking at the project presently on E-Bay, any thoughts or comments
appreciated. I know this would advance me a couple of years. The project is
wider and some {4") has been added to the length. Can someone tell me if extra
length would prevent me from going with the Model A Engine?
>
>Thanks in advance
>Rick
>
>
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>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361524#361524
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
Here are a couple of videos demonstrating the process:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T01zIKxP0Ms&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NS0LCiDaqUc
Bill (not a Jim)
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| Subject: | Re: Old Member....NE Oklahoma |
Jim,
Thanks for the reply and the invitation, you and Mark will be hearing from me.
Yes I am just SW of Harrison.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
[quote="dfwplt"]Jim now says:
There are a lot of articles out there on the world wide interweb on how people
have done it...
Here's one (didn't read the entire article but it looks like good info) I found
after doing a quick google search:
http://homemetalshopclub.org/projects/powder.pdf
There's really not much to the process. Sandblast the parts...spray on the powder....bake.
If you decide to move forward, let me know and I'll take some pics
of my setup, add some comments and send them to you.
Or contact me offlist and we can get on the phone. I may be coming out to Raleigh
in late January (don't know for sure yet...) so get your stuff setup and we
an do some powder coating when I get there! :-)
Happy holidays to everyone!
JM
--[/quote
Thats what I said. :)
Jim.
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| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
Jack&Don,
Thanks for the reply, you both are saying what I am thinking....At the end of
what I know will be a very involved project it wll be nice to look at the Pietenpol
and say "I built it" rather than "I built it, well part of it" and that
will be I suspect worth a lot.
Don, thanks for the invitation, if I am ever in your area I will contact you.
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
Also check out westcoastpiet dot com. Thousands of pictures of hundreds projects
in every imaginable stage of construction. I also think that if you have enough
of an interest in wood/metal working that you have an entire shop, then just
building one from the ground up would probably make you happier. The construction
is very simple and fast even for a novice, for a person with some skills
and some time construction would be very very fast.
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Father/son build team with engine question |
Mike,
The same offer goes out to you too. If you are ever in the NE Ohio or Western
PA area, please look me up. I think it's awesome that you are looking at this
as a father and son project. I try to include my kids as much as possible.
My daughters do prretty good at putting up with me, but my son really seems to
enjoy the Piet and airplanes in general. Lots of great memories. That's what
it's all about!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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I don't think you can buy REAL zinc chromate primer any longer thanks to the
EPA. Maybe Chromium is a toxic heavy metal? The "new" stuff seems to be no
better than weak green paint.
Jack Phillips has the correct answer, just use a self-etching epoxy primer
available at any auto paint store. The brand we use is Variprime. It works
great and gives great "tooth" for the topcoat to stick to.
Barry
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
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Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm going
to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it
available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, but was wondering if it was an item
I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
autobody shops that have auto metal primers, but the ones I've seen don't
have zinc chromate as an ingredient.
Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have zinc
chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to
order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood, metals,
glues, bolts, cables, etc.)
Thanks,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI |
Don:
Thanks for the tool source. Can you suggest a source for terne plate? I have
looked pretty hard, and short of buying a 40,000 lb truckload I haven't had much
luck finding it. I was thinking that galvanized sheet was going to be the
best I could do.
Brett Phillips
Strasburg, VA
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Jim, Thanks for the info. After reading that article I think I will stick
to painting. The paint will last as long as I do and I don't really need it
to be that pretty.
You are welcome here anytime but I'm more than a hundred miles west of
Raleigh. If you're ever in Winston-Salem (even Greensboro) call me. Would
love to get together. I'll protect all my tools! ;>) Chuck
> http://homemetalshopclub.org/projects/powder.pdf
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| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
Rick
I live east of JM and just north of Tulsa. I have a corvair powered Piet.
Welcome. If you are over this way maybe we can get together .
Merry Christmas all.
Jim Ballew
N38B
In a message dated 12/23/2011 4:53:05 A.M. Central Standard Time,
brightwellrichard@yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "RickBright"
<brightwellrichard@yahoo.com>
Just a guy who wants to fly here, I recently found this site and saw a
picture of an Pietenpol for my first time a few weeks ago and am in the very
early stages of fullfilling a life long dream... I have a 80 acre pasture
behind my house and for years have thought of flying something out of it. I
learned to fly in 1973 when I was 17, took lessons and did a few cross
countries in a Cessna, spent 12 years in the Navy, married, allowed life to
get in the way and have not flown in years.
I wrote down the name Pietenpol on a piece of paper a week ago, went to an
elderly neighbor of mine who is a master mechinic, machinist, Model A nut
and asked him if he had ever heard of one. He gave me that look, said come
in the shop, went to a desk started pulling old aviation clippings and
articles, several on Pietenpol's. Knew all about them.
I am a former cabinet maker, do metal work and blacksmithing, have a shop
full of metal and woodworking machines, all my machines are old school
manual machines but they seem to get the work done.
Are there any members in the Arkansas, Missouri Oklahoma area who would
like a visitor? I would appreciate getting to see a project or a completed
aircraft.
Also I am looking at the project presently on E-Bay, any thoughts or
comments appreciated. I know this would advance me a couple of years. The
project is wider and some {4") has been added to the length. Can someone tell
me
if extra length would prevent me from going with the Model A Engine?
Thanks in advance
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI |
Brett=2C there is s sheet metal place right by my house that sells it. We
should talk=2C I might be remaking my tank also. Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI
> From: bphillip@shentel.net
> Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 11:01:25 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Don:
> Thanks for the tool source. Can you suggest a source for terne plate? I
have looked pretty hard=2C and short of buying a 40=2C000 lb truckload I h
aven't had much luck finding it. I was thinking that galvanized sheet was
going to be the best I could do.
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Well this is just shameful! I work in a machine/fabrication shop and can't f
ind terne plate. Then some guy from the Internet shows up and finds it in my
back yard! ;-) :-)
Actually, that is great news! I was thinking that it had been consigned to t
he dustbins of history.
Brett Phillips
DO NOT ARCHIVE
On Dec 23, 2011, at 4:11 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> Brett, there is s sheet metal place right by my house that sells it. We s
hould talk, I might be remaking my tank also.
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| Subject: | Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI |
Gosh Gene, you must be all done painting if you have time to remake your ta
nk. Care to post a pic?
do not archive,
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2011 3:15 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI
Brett, there is s sheet metal place right by my house that sells it. We sh
ould talk, I might be remaking my tank also.
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI
> From: bphillip@shentel.net
> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 11:01:25 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Don:
> Thanks for the tool source. Can you suggest a source for terne plate? I h
ave looked pretty hard, and short of buying a 40,000 lb truckload I haven't
had much luck finding it. I was thinking that galvanized sheet was going t
o be the best I could do.
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The old ZInc Chromate primer contained lead. This is no longer true. If y
ou use a "self etching primer" make sure it containes zinc tetroxychromate
otherwise it contains not anti corrosive qualities. I have found that rust
will come right through self etching primer in just a few days unless the
steel is etched with phosphoric acid. IMHO "self etching primer isn't wort
h much. The best procedure would be to etch with phosporic acid then prime
with an epoxy zinc chromate. Just my .02
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed@mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
> Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 12:56:51 -0500
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> I don't think you can buy REAL zinc chromate primer any longer thanks to
the
> EPA. Maybe Chromium is a toxic heavy metal? The "new" stuff seems to be n
o
> better than weak green paint.
> Jack Phillips has the correct answer=2C just use a self-etching epoxy pri
mer
> available at any auto paint store. The brand we use is Variprime. It work
s
> great and gives great "tooth" for the topcoat to stick to.
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> tdudley@umn.edu
> Sent: Thursday=2C December 22=2C 2011 10:05 PM
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
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> Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm goin
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> to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
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> I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it
> available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks=2C but was wondering if it was an
item
> I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
> autobody shops that have auto metal primers=2C but the ones I've seen don
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> order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood=2C met
als=2C
> glues=2C bolts=2C cables=2C etc.)
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what=2C and give away my new paint scheme so you can copy=2C repaint and be
at me to Brodhead?? No freaking way!!!! Genedo not archive
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI
From: helspersew@aol.com
Gosh Gene=2C you must be all done painting if you have time to remake your
tank. Care to post a pic?
do not archive=2C
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Fri=2C Dec 23=2C 2011 3:15 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI
Brett=2C there is s sheet metal place right by my house that sells it. We
should talk=2C I might be remaking my tank also.
Gene
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Terne Plate Tank Builders FYI
> From: bphillip@shentel.net
> Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 11:01:25 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> Thanks for the tool source. Can you suggest a source for terne plate? I h
ave looked pretty hard=2C and short of buying a 40=2C000 lb truckload I hav
en't had much luck finding it. I was thinking that galvanized sheet was goi
ng to be the best I could do.
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Hmmm, acid etch, then epoxy primer, then finish paint. Looks like powder coating
might be the easier method.
BC
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Sign painters paint: One Shot. Lead based applied with a brush! Really tough stuff!
Kenneth M. Heide
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On Dec 23, 2011, at 7:56 PM, "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
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| Subject: | Pietenpols and Movies |
I'm looking for input on some good flying movies for viewing this holiday season.
I bought a copy of "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice Pietenpol) and had it autographed
at Oshkosh. What a great story, I loved it. My favorite flying movie
of all time, "One Six Right" is almost memorized now. The video work and music
are amazing, and it tells an important story. I even bought "One Six Left",
which is about the making of "One Six Right". A nice movie on it's own. I have
seen a few nice gliding movies like "Masters of the Wave", and I have a copy
of the Wonderful World of Disney's "The Boy Who Flew with Condors" circa 1970.
This movie got me started in gliding when I was 13 years old. But now I'm looking
for something else to watch. Any thoughts?
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
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Well, there's always TGWP, otherwise known as The Great Waldo Pepper.
My favorites also include The Spirit of Saint Louis, starring Jimmy Stewart,
and Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gliderx5@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies
I'm looking for input on some good flying movies for viewing this holiday
season. I bought a copy of "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice Pietenpol) and
had it autographed at Oshkosh. What a great story, I loved it. My favorite
flying movie of all time, "One Six Right" is almost memorized now. The
video work and music are amazing, and it tells an important story. I even
bought "One Six Left", which is about the making of "One Six Right". A nice
movie on it's own. I have seen a few nice gliding movies like "Masters of
the Wave", and I have a copy of the Wonderful World of Disney's "The Boy Who
Flew with Condors" circa 1970. This movie got me started in gliding when I
was 13 years old. But now I'm looking for something else to watch. Any
thoughts?
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
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The Great Waldo Pepper.
Jim.
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another fun film Space Cowboys there is a great scene where Tommy Lee Jones
take a kid for an airplane ride
John
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The rocketeer, for some great 1930s footage. Amelia has some great footage in an
otherwise boring movie.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies
> Well, there's always TGWP, otherwise known as The Great Waldo Pepper.
>
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> My favorites also include The Spirit of Saint Louis, starring Jimmy
> Stewart,and Those Magnificent Men in their Flying Machines.
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> Jack Phillips
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> gliderx5@comcast.net
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 9:35 PM
> To: Pietenpol
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies
>
>
>
> I'm looking for input on some good flying movies for viewing this
> holidayseason. I bought a copy of "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice
> Pietenpol) and
> had it autographed at Oshkosh. What a great story, I loved it. My
> favoriteflying movie of all time, "One Six Right" is almost
> memorized now. The
> video work and music are amazing, and it tells an important story.
> I even
> bought "One Six Left", which is about the making of "One Six
> Right". A nice
> movie on it's own. I have seen a few nice gliding movies like
> "Masters of
> the Wave", and I have a copy of the Wonderful World of Disney's
> "The Boy Who
> Flew with Condors" circa 1970. This movie got me started in
> gliding when I
> was 13 years old. But now I'm looking for something else to watch.
> Any
> thoughts?
>
> Malcolm Morrison
> http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
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My favorites for good flying scenes not already mentioned:
Air America
Always
Top Gun
These days you could probably find the NBC series Ba Ba Black Sheep.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
I don't think you want to be using sign painter's paint to paint all of the metal
parts - and especially on bare metal. This was a question about metal primer
wasn't it?
Bill C.
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Thanks for all the input. I hope to put it to good use. I did check the local
NAPA today and found an etching primer and a primer coat (in a rattle-bottle).
I also saw the two part epoxy. Powder coating the metal seems like a great
idea, but I don't have a "garage" oven available.
I guess I'll end up ordering primer from AS or Wick's to keep everything as "safe"
as I can. Besides, I worked pretty hard today and wouldn't want to ruin these
things:
(I have never figured out how to make the pictures smaller, but I have tried.)
Thanks again,
Tom
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| Subject: | Re: New Member, NW Arkansas |
Hey Rick, welcome to the forum. I too live in the Tulsa area, just south of Jim
Ballew and about 30 minutes west of Jim Markle in Pryor, OK. A little planning
and you could probably see several examples in an afternoon. There are 3
on my field alone (O38).
Give us a shout if you get over this way. Mine is still in progress, but I'd be
glad to show it to ya.
Mark
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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