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1. 12:47 AM - Re: Re: Metal primer (Doug Dever)
2. 03:32 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Jack)
3. 06:41 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Michael Perez)
4. 06:44 AM - Arrow Fest Time Off (Michael Perez)
5. 06:50 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (tdudley@umn.edu)
6. 07:13 AM - Merry Christmas (regchief)
7. 07:41 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Paul N. Peckham)
8. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Jim Ash)
9. 09:40 AM - Tire size again and shock cord fastener (John Kuhfahl)
10. 10:12 AM - Re: Metal primer (Gmail)
11. 11:09 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (jarheadpilot82)
12. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: Metal primer (Jim Boyer)
13. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpols and Movies (mike Hardaway)
14. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Ryan M)
15. 12:54 PM - Pietenpols and movies (Dick N)
16. 05:05 PM - Re: Pietenpols and movies (Greg Bacon)
17. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpols and Movies (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
18. 09:44 PM - Re: Metal primer (Doug Dever)
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
I'd still etch before powder coating=2C but=2C yes that'd be the way to go
if you have the stuff. Etched metal=2C even when left bare won't rust for
several months. The phosphoric acid reacts with iron oxide and turns it in
to iron phosphate which is inert
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal primer
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| Subject: | Pietenpols and Movies |
Military based.Strategic Air Command, The Blue Max, Bombers B 52 and Dr
Strangelove.
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gliderx5@comcast.net
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies
I'm looking for input on some good flying movies for viewing this holiday
season. I bought a copy of "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice Pietenpol) and
had it autographed at Oshkosh. What a great story, I loved it. My favorite
flying movie of all time, "One Six Right" is almost memorized now. The
video work and music are amazing, and it tells an important story. I even
bought "One Six Left", which is about the making of "One Six Right". A nice
movie on it's own. I have seen a few nice gliding movies like "Masters of
the Wave", and I have a copy of the Wonderful World of Disney's "The Boy Who
Flew with Condors" circa 1970. This movie got me started in gliding when I
was 13 years old. But now I'm looking for something else to watch. Any
thoughts?
Malcolm Morrison
http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/
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| Subject: | Pietenpols and Movies |
I had found a documentary video at Walmart called Victory By Air. It is a 5 part
series on one disk, over four hours long. The entire video is all vintage footage
starting prior to the Wright brothers. It is by far the best aviation documentary
I have seen.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Sat, 12/24/11, Jack <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Saturday, December 24, 2011, 6:29 AM
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> movies for viewing this holiday season. I bought a
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> Oshkosh .
> What a great story, I loved it. My favorite flying
> movie of all time,
> "One Six Right" is almost memorized now.
> The video work and
> music are amazing, and it tells an important story. I
> even bought
> "One Six Left", which is about the making of
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> Right". A nice movie on it's own. I
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> gliding movies like "Masters of the Wave", and I
> have a copy of the
> Wonderful World of Disney's "The Boy Who Flew with
> Condors" circa
> 1970. This movie got me started in gliding when I was
> 13 years old.
> But now I'm looking for something else to watch.
> Any thoughts?
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| Subject: | Arrow Fest Time Off |
Today will be my last build day, for a few days, to enjoy Christmas. I will be
back at my build fest either Tuesday or Wednesday...by then, I should have a
couple more pictures as well.
Merry Christmas all!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
Really liked the Spirit of St. Louis with Jimmy Stewart. Top Gun is reliably inspirational
(my first date, the girl had to drive because I was too young).
I haven't seen the Great Waldo Pepper but hinted a lot so I hope it is beneath
the tree tomorrow.
My all time favorite for the American flying enthusiast, The Right Stuff. I could
watch it over and over again.
Merry Christmas all.
Tom
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But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up
with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk,
and not faint.
A very merry Christmas to all!!
Kelly
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
Two of my favorites are the often mentioned The Great Waldo Pepper, and the rarely
mentioned High Road to China, starring Tom Selleck and 2 very ratty looking
Stampe biplanes.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
Birds of Prey, David Janssen. Round wing stuff. Not a great plot, but some groundbreaking
aerial stunts that hadn't been tried before (at the time - 1973). Maybe
Cloud Dancer, also.
While we're on this, what happened to Red Betsy? I've looked for it off and on
for years, but it's like the people holding the rights have eradicated it from
public access.
Jim Ash
-----Original Message-----
>From: tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Dec 23, 2011 11:06 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies
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>My favorites for good flying scenes not already mentioned:
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>Air America
>Always
>Top Gun
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>These days you could probably find the NBC series Ba Ba Black Sheep.
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| Subject: | Tire size again and shock cord fastener |
I asked a few days ago about using 15 inch tires on 6 in rims--most said to
stay 600-6 which are about 16 jnch.
My plans actually call for 19 inch, I have a pair of 800-6 that are about
18 inch. Any thought?
Second thought, my plans call for 5/8 inch bungee cable..I would like to
use those metal shock cord fasteners but i cannot find anything bigger than
1/2 inch. Again, any thoughts here.
I have been flying for over 40 years, but am a new time taildragger--would
like to have as few surprises as possible
--
John Kuhfahl
President
KUHLCOUPER LLC
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
It's my understanding phosphoric acid is widely used in the auto manufacturi
ng industry as well as many other industries. Where would one source phospho
ric acid for paint prep?
Greg Bacon
On Dec 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com> wrote:
> The old ZInc Chromate primer contained lead. This is no longer true. If y
ou use a "self etching primer" make sure it containes zinc tetroxychromate o
therwise it contains not anti corrosive qualities. I have found that rust w
ill come right through self etching primer in just a few days unless the ste
el is etched with phosphoric acid. IMHO "self etching primer isn't worth mu
ch. The best procedure would be to etch with phosporic acid then prime with
an epoxy zinc chromate. Just my .02
>
> Doug Dever
> In beautiful Stow Ohio
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> > From: bed@mindspring.com
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
> > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:56:51 -0500
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> > I don't think you can buy REAL zinc chromate primer any longer thanks to
the
> > EPA. Maybe Chromium is a toxic heavy metal? The "new" stuff seems to be n
o
> > better than weak green paint.
> > Jack Phillips has the correct answer, just use a self-etching epoxy prim
er
> > available at any auto paint store. The brand we use is Variprime. It wor
ks
> > great and gives great "tooth" for the topcoat to stick to.
> > Barry
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > tdudley@umn.edu
> > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:05 PM
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
> >
> > --> <tdudley@umn.edu>
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> > Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm goi
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> > to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
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> > I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it
> > available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, but was wondering if it was an i
tem
> > I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
> > autobody shops that have auto metal primers, but the ones I've seen don'
t
> > have zinc chromate as an ingredient.
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> > Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have z
inc
> > chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to
> > order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood, meta
ls,
> > glues, bolts, cables, etc.)
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> > Thanks,
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
A real classic is "Hell's Angels", a silent film from 1930. Directed by Howard
Hughes at a cost of almost $4 million, it has some unbelievable flying footage.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Metal primer |
Good looking parts Tom. I thought these cabane fittings were the hardest to make;
the rest are easy.
Jim B.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
My two favorite scenes of the kind of flying we're likely to do in
Pietenpols come from
Out of Africa
and
Never Cry Wolf
Mike Hardaway
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
The Blue Max
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From: mike Hardaway <bkemike@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies
My two favorite scenes of the kind of flying we're likely to do in Pietenpols come
from
Out of Africa
and
Never Cry Wolf
Mike Hardaway
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| Subject: | Pietenpols and movies |
Another great movie is "Second Hand Lions" not really a flying movie but
the opening and closing scenes are worth it.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and movies |
"Fly Away Home" with Jeff Daniels is very good from a grass roots flying
standpoint. It's also good from a homebuilt aviation standpoint. It'll
make you cry!!
Greg Bacon
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
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> Another great movie is "Second Hand Lions" not really a flying movie but
> the opening and closing scenes are worth it.
> Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
The Spirit of St Louis is a great film and inspirational especially the
scenes at the Ryan Company during the build. I think any builder would love
that part in particular. Like Space Cowboys and TGWP I have see them over and
over again. They are as fun as they are inspiring, entertainment with and
extra value.
A builders delight
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Merry Christmas to all, this holiday season
John
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Greg=2C
It's becoming harder to find with the advent of the self etching primers.
Some autobody suppliers still carry it. Believe it or not Home Depot carri
es it. The trade name is Must For Rust made by Krud Kutter. You can also
order it through most Ace hardware stores and avoid shipping charges. Very
few of the Ace stores stock it=2C but they carry the Krud Kutter brand.
Use it full strength as it's already reduced. We often use Naval Jelly for
rust removal on vertical surfaces=2C but I'm not sure if the thickening ag
ent in it affects adhesion. Hope this helps.
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
From: gbacon67@gmail.com
It's my understanding phosphoric acid is widely used in the auto manufactur
ing industry as well as many other industries. Where would one source phosp
horic acid for paint prep?
Greg Bacon
On Dec 23=2C 2011=2C at 6:45 PM=2C Doug Dever <chiefpepperhead@hotmail.com>
wrote:
The old ZInc Chromate primer contained lead. This is no longer true. If y
ou use a "self etching primer" make sure it containes zinc tetroxychromate
otherwise it contains not anti corrosive qualities. I have found that rust
will come right through self etching primer in just a few days unless the
steel is etched with phosphoric acid. IMHO "self etching primer isn't wort
h much. The best procedure would be to etch with phosporic acid then prime
with an epoxy zinc chromate. Just my .02
Doug Dever
In beautiful Stow Ohio
> From: bed@mindspring.com
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
> Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 12:56:51 -0500
>
>
> I don't think you can buy REAL zinc chromate primer any longer thanks to
the
> EPA. Maybe Chromium is a toxic heavy metal? The "new" stuff seems to be n
o
> better than weak green paint.
> Jack Phillips has the correct answer=2C just use a self-etching epoxy pri
mer
> available at any auto paint store. The brand we use is Variprime. It work
s
> great and gives great "tooth" for the topcoat to stick to.
> Barry
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> tdudley@umn.edu
> Sent: Thursday=2C December 22=2C 2011 10:05 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer
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> --> <tdudley@umn.edu>
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> Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm goin
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> to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed.
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> I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it
> available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks=2C but was wondering if it was an
item
> I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3
> autobody shops that have auto metal primers=2C but the ones I've seen don
't
> have zinc chromate as an ingredient.
>
> Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have zi
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> chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to
> order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood=2C met
als=2C
> glues=2C bolts=2C cables=2C etc.)
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> Thanks=2C
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> Tom
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