---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 12/24/11: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:47 AM - Re: Re: Metal primer (Doug Dever) 2. 03:32 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Jack) 3. 06:41 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Michael Perez) 4. 06:44 AM - Arrow Fest Time Off (Michael Perez) 5. 06:50 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (tdudley@umn.edu) 6. 07:13 AM - Merry Christmas (regchief) 7. 07:41 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Paul N. Peckham) 8. 09:26 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Jim Ash) 9. 09:40 AM - Tire size again and shock cord fastener (John Kuhfahl) 10. 10:12 AM - Re: Metal primer (Gmail) 11. 11:09 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (jarheadpilot82) 12. 11:11 AM - Re: Re: Metal primer (Jim Boyer) 13. 11:23 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpols and Movies (mike Hardaway) 14. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Ryan M) 15. 12:54 PM - Pietenpols and movies (Dick N) 16. 05:05 PM - Re: Pietenpols and movies (Greg Bacon) 17. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: Pietenpols and Movies (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 18. 09:44 PM - Re: Metal primer (Doug Dever) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:47:36 AM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal primer I'd still etch before powder coating=2C but=2C yes that'd be the way to go if you have the stuff. Etched metal=2C even when left bare won't rust for several months. The phosphoric acid reacts with iron oxide and turns it in to iron phosphate which is inert Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal primer > From: billspiet@sympatico.ca > Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 20:20:10 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > ca> > > I don't think you want to be using sign painter's paint to paint all of t he metal parts - and especially on bare metal. This was a question about me tal primer wasn't it? > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361582#361582 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:32:20 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies Military based.Strategic Air Command, The Blue Max, Bombers B 52 and Dr Strangelove. Jack DSM NX1929T _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of gliderx5@comcast.net Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 8:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies I'm looking for input on some good flying movies for viewing this holiday season. I bought a copy of "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice Pietenpol) and had it autographed at Oshkosh. What a great story, I loved it. My favorite flying movie of all time, "One Six Right" is almost memorized now. The video work and music are amazing, and it tells an important story. I even bought "One Six Left", which is about the making of "One Six Right". A nice movie on it's own. I have seen a few nice gliding movies like "Masters of the Wave", and I have a copy of the Wonderful World of Disney's "The Boy Who Flew with Condors" circa 1970. This movie got me started in gliding when I was 13 years old. But now I'm looking for something else to watch. Any thoughts? Malcolm Morrison http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:41:52 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies I had found a documentary video at Walmart called Victory By Air. It is a 5 part series on one disk, over four hours long. The entire video is all vintage footage starting prior to the Wright brothers. It is by far the best aviation documentary I have seen. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Sat, 12/24/11, Jack wrote: > From: Jack > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, December 24, 2011, 6:29 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Military > basedStrategic Air > Command, The Blue Max, Bombers B 52 and Dr > Strangelove > > Jack > > > DSM > > > NX1929T > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > gliderx5@comcast.net > > Sent: Friday, > December 23, 2011 > 8:35 PM > > To: > Pietenpol > > Subject: > Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols > and Movies > > > > > > > > I'm > looking for input on some good flying > movies for viewing this holiday season. I bought a > copy of > "Barnstormers" (featuring a nice Pietenpol) and > had it autographed at > Oshkosh . > What a great story, I loved it. My favorite flying > movie of all time, > "One Six Right" is almost memorized now. > The video work and > music are amazing, and it tells an important story. I > even bought > "One Six Left", which is about the making of > "One Six > Right". A nice movie on it's own. I > have seen a few nice > gliding movies like "Masters of the Wave", and I > have a copy of the > Wonderful World of Disney's "The Boy Who Flew with > Condors" circa > 1970. This movie got me started in gliding when I was > 13 years old. > But now I'm looking for something else to watch. > Any thoughts? > > > > Malcolm Morrison > > http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/ > > > > > > www.buildersbooks.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > provided > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:06 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Arrow Fest Time Off Today will be my last build day, for a few days, to enjoy Christmas. I will be back at my build fest either Tuesday or Wednesday...by then, I should have a couple more pictures as well. Merry Christmas all! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies From: "tdudley@umn.edu" Really liked the Spirit of St. Louis with Jimmy Stewart. Top Gun is reliably inspirational (my first date, the girl had to drive because I was too young). I haven't seen the Great Waldo Pepper but hinted a lot so I hope it is beneath the tree tomorrow. My all time favorite for the American flying enthusiast, The Right Stuff. I could watch it over and over again. Merry Christmas all. Tom Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361591#361591 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Merry Christmas From: "regchief" But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. A very merry Christmas to all!! Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361593#361593 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies From: "Paul N. Peckham" Two of my favorites are the often mentioned The Great Waldo Pepper, and the rarely mentioned High Road to China, starring Tom Selleck and 2 very ratty looking Stampe biplanes. Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361595#361595 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:17 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies Birds of Prey, David Janssen. Round wing stuff. Not a great plot, but some groundbreaking aerial stunts that hadn't been tried before (at the time - 1973). Maybe Cloud Dancer, also. While we're on this, what happened to Red Betsy? I've looked for it off and on for years, but it's like the people holding the rights have eradicated it from public access. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: tools >Sent: Dec 23, 2011 11:06 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies > > >My favorites for good flying scenes not already mentioned: > >Air America >Always >Top Gun > >These days you could probably find the NBC series Ba Ba Black Sheep. > >Tools > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361579#361579 > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tire size again and shock cord fastener From: John Kuhfahl I asked a few days ago about using 15 inch tires on 6 in rims--most said to stay 600-6 which are about 16 jnch. My plans actually call for 19 inch, I have a pair of 800-6 that are about 18 inch. Any thought? Second thought, my plans call for 5/8 inch bungee cable..I would like to use those metal shock cord fasteners but i cannot find anything bigger than 1/2 inch. Again, any thoughts here. I have been flying for over 40 years, but am a new time taildragger--would like to have as few surprises as possible -- John Kuhfahl President KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer From: Gmail It's my understanding phosphoric acid is widely used in the auto manufacturi ng industry as well as many other industries. Where would one source phospho ric acid for paint prep? Greg Bacon On Dec 23, 2011, at 6:45 PM, Doug Dever wrote: > The old ZInc Chromate primer contained lead. This is no longer true. If y ou use a "self etching primer" make sure it containes zinc tetroxychromate o therwise it contains not anti corrosive qualities. I have found that rust w ill come right through self etching primer in just a few days unless the ste el is etched with phosphoric acid. IMHO "self etching primer isn't worth mu ch. The best procedure would be to etch with phosporic acid then prime with an epoxy zinc chromate. Just my .02 > > Doug Dever > In beautiful Stow Ohio > > > > From: bed@mindspring.com > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer > > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 12:56:51 -0500 > > > > > > I don't think you can buy REAL zinc chromate primer any longer thanks to the > > EPA. Maybe Chromium is a toxic heavy metal? The "new" stuff seems to be n o > > better than weak green paint. > > Jack Phillips has the correct answer, just use a self-etching epoxy prim er > > available at any auto paint store. The brand we use is Variprime. It wor ks > > great and gives great "tooth" for the topcoat to stick to. > > Barry > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > > tdudley@umn.edu > > Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 10:05 PM > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer > > > > --> > > > > Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm goi ng > > to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed. > > > > I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it > > available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks, but was wondering if it was an i tem > > I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3 > > autobody shops that have auto metal primers, but the ones I've seen don' t > > have zinc chromate as an ingredient. > > > > Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have z inc > > chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to > > order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood, meta ls, > > glues, bolts, cables, etc.) > > > > Thanks, > > > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361513#361513 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _================= > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies From: "jarheadpilot82" A real classic is "Hell's Angels", a silent film from 1930. Directed by Howard Hughes at a cost of almost $4 million, it has some unbelievable flying footage. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361615#361615 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:48 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Metal primer Good looking parts Tom. I thought these cabane fittings were the hardest to make; the rest are easy. Jim B. do not archive ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies From: mike Hardaway My two favorite scenes of the kind of flying we're likely to do in Pietenpols come from Out of Africa and Never Cry Wolf Mike Hardaway ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:50 PM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies The Blue Max ________________________________ From: mike Hardaway Sent: Saturday, December 24, 2011 2:19 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies My two favorite scenes of the kind of flying we're likely to do in Pietenpols come from Out of Africa and Never Cry Wolf Mike Hardaway ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:54:55 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and movies Another great movie is "Second Hand Lions" not really a flying movie but the opening and closing scenes are worth it. Dick N. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and movies From: Greg Bacon "Fly Away Home" with Jeff Daniels is very good from a grass roots flying standpoint. It's also good from a homebuilt aviation standpoint. It'll make you cry!! Greg Bacon On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Dick N wrote: > ** > Another great movie is "Second Hand Lions" not really a flying movie but > the opening and closing scenes are worth it. > Dick N. > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:12 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpols and Movies The Spirit of St Louis is a great film and inspirational especially the scenes at the Ryan Company during the build. I think any builder would love that part in particular. Like Space Cowboys and TGWP I have see them over and over again. They are as fun as they are inspiring, entertainment with and extra value. A builders delight Do not archive Merry Christmas to all, this holiday season John ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:27 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer Greg=2C It's becoming harder to find with the advent of the self etching primers. Some autobody suppliers still carry it. Believe it or not Home Depot carri es it. The trade name is Must For Rust made by Krud Kutter. You can also order it through most Ace hardware stores and avoid shipping charges. Very few of the Ace stores stock it=2C but they carry the Krud Kutter brand. Use it full strength as it's already reduced. We often use Naval Jelly for rust removal on vertical surfaces=2C but I'm not sure if the thickening ag ent in it affects adhesion. Hope this helps. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer From: gbacon67@gmail.com It's my understanding phosphoric acid is widely used in the auto manufactur ing industry as well as many other industries. Where would one source phosp horic acid for paint prep? Greg Bacon On Dec 23=2C 2011=2C at 6:45 PM=2C Doug Dever wrote: The old ZInc Chromate primer contained lead. This is no longer true. If y ou use a "self etching primer" make sure it containes zinc tetroxychromate otherwise it contains not anti corrosive qualities. I have found that rust will come right through self etching primer in just a few days unless the steel is etched with phosphoric acid. IMHO "self etching primer isn't wort h much. The best procedure would be to etch with phosporic acid then prime with an epoxy zinc chromate. Just my .02 Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio > From: bed@mindspring.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer > Date: Fri=2C 23 Dec 2011 12:56:51 -0500 > > > I don't think you can buy REAL zinc chromate primer any longer thanks to the > EPA. Maybe Chromium is a toxic heavy metal? The "new" stuff seems to be n o > better than weak green paint. > Jack Phillips has the correct answer=2C just use a self-etching epoxy pri mer > available at any auto paint store. The brand we use is Variprime. It work s > great and gives great "tooth" for the topcoat to stick to. > Barry > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > tdudley@umn.edu > Sent: Thursday=2C December 22=2C 2011 10:05 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Metal primer > > --> > > Like a few others on the list I've got a few holiday "days" off. I'm goin g > to weld my wing cabane fittings and want to get them primed. > > I know Bingelis says zinc chromate for priming the metal. I've found it > available at Aircraft Spruce and Wicks=2C but was wondering if it was an item > I might find (or substitute) locally. I live in a small town but it has 3 > autobody shops that have auto metal primers=2C but the ones I've seen don 't > have zinc chromate as an ingredient. > > Is it okay to use a metal primer (such as for autos) that doesn't have zi nc > chromate (or phosphate) as a component? Or is this something I need to > order from an aircraft supply company (like I've done for all wood=2C met als=2C > glues=2C bolts=2C cables=2C etc.) > > Thanks=2C > > Tom > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361513#361513 > > > > > > > > > _================= > > > ========= ctric.com >www.buildersbooks.com uilthelp.com matronics.com/contribution ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.