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1. 12:48 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Clif Dawson)
2. 06:21 AM - Stewart system Clean up prior to Paint (H. Marvin Haught)
3. 08:09 AM - Re: Stewart System Clean up prior to paint (Michael Perez)
4. 08:34 AM - Dealing with pinks (H.Marvin Haught)
5. 08:47 AM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (echobravo4)
6. 10:10 AM - Re: Dealing with pinks (aerocarjake)
7. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Dealing with pinks (H. Marvin Haught)
8. 11:06 AM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (K5YAC)
9. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Where have the Models Gone? (Ed Smith)
10. 11:49 AM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (Bryan Reed)
11. 12:02 PM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (K5YAC)
12. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: Where have the Models Gone? (mike Hardaway)
13. 12:55 PM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (K5YAC)
14. 02:58 PM - Rib Stitching (Gary Boothe)
15. 03:09 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Dave Nielsen)
16. 03:34 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (airlion)
17. 03:54 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Jerry Dotson)
18. 03:58 PM - Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... (miyer2u)
19. 04:32 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Ben Charvet)
20. 04:55 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Michael Groah)
21. 05:00 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Jack Phillips)
22. 05:26 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Gary Boothe)
23. 06:48 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Jim Boyer)
24. 06:50 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Jim Boyer)
25. 07:39 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (K5YAC)
26. 10:33 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Gary Boothe)
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpols and Movies |
Here's a little something you might like:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/player.html?clipid=2179622316&site=cbc.news.c
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Subject: | Stewart system Clean up prior to Paint |
Just a heads up for those of you using or going to use Stewart system
products in your covering and painting of your project. We are now
using isopropyl alcohol for the final clean up and prep prior to paint,
and in between the spray coats of EkoFill. The protocol is to first
wipe and blow the part with a virgin terry cloth towel and filtered air.
Then move to the clean room where you use a good waterborne tack cloth
like the Gerson dry tack cloth to remove the fine particles remaining.
Then, with a lint free synthetic wipe, dampened with isopropyl alcohol,
gently wipe down the part. The alcohol helps as an antistatic agent to
stop the static cling, dries quickly and helps remove the very last
particles. Look over the part in strong light, and if needed, wipe down
again lightly with the Gerson tack cloth.
I have had a problem with residual particles in my paint surface, no
matter how much I clean my booth and paint surfaces. This seems to
solve the problem as static electricity was drawing particles back the
the surface.
M. Haught
aircraftfinishes@gmail.com
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Subject: | Re: Stewart System Clean up prior to paint |
Great timing Marvin. I am starting some covering now and was curious how to clean
prior to paint. Thanks!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Dealing with pinks |
Another tip for aircraft covering -
One of my customers called a day or so ago and was having trouble getting the pinked
edges of his tapes to iron down flat. When you finish applying your tapes,
be sure to go back with a medium hot iron (not hot enough to shrink the
tape) and iron down all of the pinked edges prior to applying your first coat
of filler / UV block. In the Stewart System, that product is call EkoFill. Then
after you have your first cross coat of EkoFill applied to the surface, iron
those edges down again using a piece of teflon to keep the EkoFill from transfering
to your iron and smearing on the tapes. If you can't find teflon, buy
a box of turkey basting bags (plastic bags used to cook a turkey in the oven)
at your local grocery or Wal Mart. Cut a piece of the bag out to used as a
shield as you iron the pinks flat. You can do this all the way up to prepping
to apply the topcoat. Detail work is what makes for an attractive covering job!
M. Haught
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Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
yea; if you can even find a real hobby shop anymore- they have tons of
ARF (almost ready to fly) planes but no real kits. Most don't even have
a selection of balsa or spruce anymore 'cause hardly anyone actually
builds anymore.
It's actually pretty sad- that's what got me into aviation- going to the hobby
shop with my dad, getting a kit or a bundle of wood for a scratch-built (Piet!)
and getting something in the air!
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Earl Brown
I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I
intended to be.
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Subject: | Re: Dealing with pinks |
Thanks for these covering tips..... I am building my Piet in a condo garage so
I plan to use Stewart process to keep down the smell.... Then take the prepared
components to a shop for final paint....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Subject: | Re: Dealing with pinks |
You are welcome. Contact me any time you have questions. Will be glad to help
where I can.
M. Haught
On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:08 PM, aerocarjake wrote:
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> Thanks for these covering tips..... I am building my Piet in a condo garage so
I plan to use Stewart process to keep down the smell.... Then take the prepared
components to a shop for final paint....
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Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
Blaming video games seems obvious, but where are the parents? What are they doing?
Unfortunately, many of them are camped out on the video games as well.
I like playing video games too... sometimes I even play them with my son (mostly
in the colder months), but we also build models. He's only 7 years old, but
he wanted an A-10 model for Christmas. I got him the snap-together version,
just like the ones I started with. He built it by himself. We have built model
rockets together, just like I did when I was a kid... now he is working on
one of those by himself. It probably won't fly worth a darn, but he'll learn
more from his mistakes than he will from just watching me build for him. He also
wanted an R/C airplane... I was initially opposed to getting him an RTF (Ready
To Fly for those unfamiliar)... I wanted him to learn to build before he
was allowed to fly, but at 7 he just doesn't have the skill or knowledge required
to build from a kit. He is really good on the simulator and he is INTERESTED
in the hobby, so I hate to discourage him or miss out on this window of opportunity.
My hope is that through plastic models, model rockets, etc. that he
will progress to a simple kit trainer and beyond, much like I did. My first
airplane didn't fly well (or for very long), but I learned a ton. I won't be
buying countless RTFs or ARFs in the future, nor will I be performing all of
his repairs... eventually he will have to build, and I think he'll want to, especially
since he gets to see first hand how similar it is to building a full
size airplane. My wife and I built him a nice and sturdy workbench that is in
his bedroom... it is for homework and building stuff... it's not a laundry basket,
toy box or anything else... he seems to understand that, because we are
teaching him.
Anyhow, I don't think that the mystery and wonder of flying things are gone for
kids, I just think that parents are lazy. THEY are the ones that don't have
the attention span or interest in things that take time. Many of them never learned
to build a bird house, let alone a complex flying machine. I know for
a fact that it isn't necessarily hard, it just takes time, attention to detail
and a willingness to learn. It's no different than years past... the adults
are the ones who need to be instilling these qualities in the younger crowd.
Any minute now, someone should be coming along to ask, "what does this have to
do with building a Pietenpol." Everythinig and nothing... I'm just bored, so
I'll utilize the magic words...
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
A balsa fuse/foam wing kit. Saves the frustration of all those fiddly wing
ribs, but teaches the basics of balsa construction.
http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?products_id=223
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:03 PM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
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> He also wanted an R/C airplane... I was initially opposed to getting
> him an RTF (Ready To Fly for those unfamiliar)... I wanted him to learn to
> build before he was allowed to fly, but at 7 he just doesn't have the skill
> or knowledge required to build from a kit. He is really good on the
> simulator and he is INTERESTED in the hobby, so I hate to discourage him or
> miss out on this window of opportunity. My hope is that through plastic
> models, !
> model rockets, etc. that he will progress to a simple kit trainer and
> beyond, much like I did. My first airplane didn't fly well (or for very
> long), but I learned a ton.
>
--
"The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be
capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety
labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon)
Boones Mill, VA
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Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
Mark said
"Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Where have the Models Gone?
Blaming video games seems obvious, but where are the parents? What are they doing?
Unfortunately, many of them are camped out on the video games as well. "
Mark,
I took my 2-nephews aged 12 and 10 on a 3-hour flight from Phx to Sedona, Flagstaff
and back through Payson, AZ. This is a breathtaking senic flight that
people from around the world plan and pay dearly for the opportunity to take.
They sat in the back seat and played video games the whole trip except for a
15-minute period of fighting that I finally stopped when I threatened to throw
them both out the window. When I was that age I am positive had I behaved like
that my Father WOULD have thrown me out the window. : )
Feeling old these days,
Bryan
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While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
Bryan, I'm sure that my brush seems somewhat broad, but I really didn't mean to
suggest that ALL parents are lazy or unwilling to work with their kids. In addition
to that, I have been very fortunate that my wife and son have taken an
interest in my hobby, which makes it much easier for me to enjoy AND teach.
I do often times have to tell my son to get off the video games when he's been
on too long, but I also know of kids who are allowed to disappear to their rooms
for hours on end to play their video games, and the parents are fine with
that as long as it doesn't disturb what THEY want to do.
Good for you for threatening to throw them out. Ha! My son prefers to see what
is going on up front during an airplane ride... he seems to be soaking all this
stuff up. He's never even asked for a portable game... again, I guess I'm
lucky, or perhaps he just knows that I'm not likely to get him one.
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Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
A different experience was watching Jim Markle's 11 year old son get his
first ride at Brodhead this year. I have never seen anyone so completely
stoked on flying after having been reluctant to fly at all. You could have
read a book by the light from his face after he landed.
Mike Hardaway
On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Bryan Reed <reed44@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Mark said
>
> "Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Where have the
> Models Gone?
> Blaming video games seems obvious, but where are the parents? What are
> they doing? Unfortunately, many of them are camped out on the video games
> as well. "
>
> Mark,
>
> I took my 2-nephews aged 12 and 10 on a 3-hour flight from Phx to
> Sedona, Flagstaff and back through Payson, AZ. This is a breathtaking senic
> flight that people from around the world plan and pay dearly for the
> opportunity to take.
> They sat in the back seat and played video games the whole trip except
> for a 15-minute period of fighting that I finally stopped when I threatened
> to throw them both out the window. When I was that age I am positive had I
> behaved like that my Father WOULD have thrown me out the window. : )
>
> Feeling old these days,
>
> Bryan
>
> Do not archive
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> Working Piet N5289B
>
> While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
bkemike(at)gmail.com wrote:
> A different experience was watching Jim Markle's 11 year old son get his first
ride at Brodhead this year. I have never seen anyone so completely stoked on
flying after having been reluctant to fly at all. You could have read a book
by the light from his face after he landed.
>
> Mike Hardaway
That is a fact Mike. Ol Ben was indeed stoked!
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Mark Chouinard
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HONK..if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitches only,
excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That wasn't so
bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowling.or 5 times
that much in the wind screens!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
Hey man, nice picture, good job. HONK HONK
"Bat Cave" Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2011 5:58 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitc
hes only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That w
asn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowl
ingor 5 times that much in the wind screens!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
I am impressed Gary. I'm sure that it will take me 5 times longer than that
. =0APlus hours just thinking about it. Cheers and happy newyear, Gardiner
=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe <gbo
othe5@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, December
29, 2011 5:55:57 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching=0A=0A=0AHONK
.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitches
only, =0Aexcluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That wa
sn=99t so bad, =0Aconsidering that I have 10 times that much in my co
wlingor 5 times that much in =0Athe wind screens!=0A =0A =0AGary B
oothe=0ANX308MB
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Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
Gary you are fast. I had my brother helping out and it took us about 16 hours X
2 = 32 man hours for the whole wing. Looking good. I am still working on the
fuselage trying to get it ready to cover.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... |
Hello Hans,
I am building an Avid Flyer and wanted to check the place you sourced your floor
board? I wanted to install a wood grain floor board pattern for my aircraft,
just like yours!
Your pictures look good! Thanks!
Mahesh
Utah
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Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
That sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alot. I ha
d a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it took to d
o the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it would be
Ben Charvet
NX966BC
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stit
ches only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That w
asn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowli
ngor 5 times that much in the wind screens!
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
Awesome Gary... I had my dad to pass the needle back to me so I didn't have
to do it alone but I can imagine the amount of extra work involved.=C2-
Great job.=C2-=C2- So ... just one more to go?=C2- I spent a little t
ime finishing my radio installation today.=C2- Now I can put on the leath
er helmet my wife got me for Christmas and talk on the radio!=C2- Tomorro
w I'll work on my final wing's fabric work.=C2- I've gotta get working or
you'll fly before me!=0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________
___________________=0A From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>=0ATo: "piet
enpol-list@matronics.com" <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Thursday,
December 29, 2011 4:29 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching=0A
=0A=0AThat sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alo
t. I had a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it t
ook to do the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it wou
ld be=0A=0ABen Charvet=0ANX966BC=0A=0A=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Dec
29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:=0A=0A=0A
HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitc
hes only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That w
asn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowl
ingor 5 times that much in the wind screens!=0A>=C2-=0A><image00
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I did mine laying flat, without a wing rotator. Took about 12 hours per
wing, which is a lot of trips under the wing. My back was sore for weeks.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 7:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
That sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alot. I
had a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it took to
do the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it would be
Ben Charvet
NX966BC
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
HONK..if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitches only,
excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That wasn't so
bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowling.or 5 times
that much in the wind screens!
<image001.jpg>
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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5 arm stretches per rib. 4 for the short ones.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben
Charvet
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:30 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
That sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alot.
I had a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it
took to do the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it
would be
Ben Charvet
NX966BC
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo!
Stitches only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40
minutes. That wasn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times
that much in my cowlingor 5 times that much in the wind
screens!
<image001.jpg>
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
I'm really glad you are getting all this valuable experience Gary. Its looking
really good and I just have to find out the right bribe to get you and Ryan to
stop by for a weekend or two!!!
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
Mike what is with this radio installation in a Piet? You are supposed to know what
green and red lights are for.
Where are the pictures?
Say Hi to Vic.
Jim B.
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Subject: | Re: Rib Stitching |
Awesome Gary... you are really getting it together!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Just say the Word, Jim!
Gary Boothe
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Boyer
Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching
I'm really glad you are getting all this valuable experience Gary. Its
looking really good and I just have to find out the right bribe to get
you and Ryan to stop by for a weekend or two!!!
Cheers,
Jim B.
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