---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/29/11: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:48 AM - Re: Pietenpols and Movies (Clif Dawson) 2. 06:21 AM - Stewart system Clean up prior to Paint (H. Marvin Haught) 3. 08:09 AM - Re: Stewart System Clean up prior to paint (Michael Perez) 4. 08:34 AM - Dealing with pinks (H.Marvin Haught) 5. 08:47 AM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (echobravo4) 6. 10:10 AM - Re: Dealing with pinks (aerocarjake) 7. 10:41 AM - Re: Re: Dealing with pinks (H. Marvin Haught) 8. 11:06 AM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (K5YAC) 9. 11:25 AM - Re: Re: Where have the Models Gone? (Ed Smith) 10. 11:49 AM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (Bryan Reed) 11. 12:02 PM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (K5YAC) 12. 12:14 PM - Re: Re: Where have the Models Gone? (mike Hardaway) 13. 12:55 PM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (K5YAC) 14. 02:58 PM - Rib Stitching (Gary Boothe) 15. 03:09 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Dave Nielsen) 16. 03:34 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (airlion) 17. 03:54 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Jerry Dotson) 18. 03:58 PM - Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... (miyer2u) 19. 04:32 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Ben Charvet) 20. 04:55 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Michael Groah) 21. 05:00 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Jack Phillips) 22. 05:26 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Gary Boothe) 23. 06:48 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Jim Boyer) 24. 06:50 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Jim Boyer) 25. 07:39 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (K5YAC) 26. 10:33 PM - Re: Rib Stitching (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:44 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpols and Movies Here's a little something you might like: http://www.cbc.ca/video/player.html?clipid=2179622316&site=cbc.news.c a ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:09 AM PST US From: "H. Marvin Haught" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Stewart system Clean up prior to Paint Just a heads up for those of you using or going to use Stewart system products in your covering and painting of your project. We are now using isopropyl alcohol for the final clean up and prep prior to paint, and in between the spray coats of EkoFill. The protocol is to first wipe and blow the part with a virgin terry cloth towel and filtered air. Then move to the clean room where you use a good waterborne tack cloth like the Gerson dry tack cloth to remove the fine particles remaining. Then, with a lint free synthetic wipe, dampened with isopropyl alcohol, gently wipe down the part. The alcohol helps as an antistatic agent to stop the static cling, dries quickly and helps remove the very last particles. Look over the part in strong light, and if needed, wipe down again lightly with the Gerson tack cloth. I have had a problem with residual particles in my paint surface, no matter how much I clean my booth and paint surfaces. This seems to solve the problem as static electricity was drawing particles back the the surface. M. Haught aircraftfinishes@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:06 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stewart System Clean up prior to paint Great timing Marvin. I am starting some covering now and was curious how to clean prior to paint. Thanks! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:37 AM PST US From: "H.Marvin Haught" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dealing with pinks Another tip for aircraft covering - One of my customers called a day or so ago and was having trouble getting the pinked edges of his tapes to iron down flat. When you finish applying your tapes, be sure to go back with a medium hot iron (not hot enough to shrink the tape) and iron down all of the pinked edges prior to applying your first coat of filler / UV block. In the Stewart System, that product is call EkoFill. Then after you have your first cross coat of EkoFill applied to the surface, iron those edges down again using a piece of teflon to keep the EkoFill from transfering to your iron and smearing on the tapes. If you can't find teflon, buy a box of turkey basting bags (plastic bags used to cook a turkey in the oven) at your local grocery or Wal Mart. Cut a piece of the bag out to used as a shield as you iron the pinks flat. You can do this all the way up to prepping to apply the topcoat. Detail work is what makes for an attractive covering job! M. Haught ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where have the Models Gone? From: "echobravo4" yea; if you can even find a real hobby shop anymore- they have tons of ARF (almost ready to fly) planes but no real kits. Most don't even have a selection of balsa or spruce anymore 'cause hardly anyone actually builds anymore. It's actually pretty sad- that's what got me into aviation- going to the hobby shop with my dad, getting a kit or a bundle of wood for a scratch-built (Piet!) and getting something in the air! Do Not Archive -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361911#361911 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dealing with pinks From: "aerocarjake" Thanks for these covering tips..... I am building my Piet in a condo garage so I plan to use Stewart process to keep down the smell.... Then take the prepared components to a shop for final paint.... Do not archive -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361914#361914 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:41:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dealing with pinks From: "H. Marvin Haught" You are welcome. Contact me any time you have questions. Will be glad to help where I can. M. Haught On Dec 29, 2011, at 12:08 PM, aerocarjake wrote: > > Thanks for these covering tips..... I am building my Piet in a condo garage so I plan to use Stewart process to keep down the smell.... Then take the prepared components to a shop for final paint.... > > Do not archive > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361914#361914 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:06:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where have the Models Gone? From: "K5YAC" Blaming video games seems obvious, but where are the parents? What are they doing? Unfortunately, many of them are camped out on the video games as well. I like playing video games too... sometimes I even play them with my son (mostly in the colder months), but we also build models. He's only 7 years old, but he wanted an A-10 model for Christmas. I got him the snap-together version, just like the ones I started with. He built it by himself. We have built model rockets together, just like I did when I was a kid... now he is working on one of those by himself. It probably won't fly worth a darn, but he'll learn more from his mistakes than he will from just watching me build for him. He also wanted an R/C airplane... I was initially opposed to getting him an RTF (Ready To Fly for those unfamiliar)... I wanted him to learn to build before he was allowed to fly, but at 7 he just doesn't have the skill or knowledge required to build from a kit. He is really good on the simulator and he is INTERESTED in the hobby, so I hate to discourage him or miss out on this window of opportunity. My hope is that through plastic models, model rockets, etc. that he will progress to a simple kit trainer and beyond, much like I did. My first airplane didn't fly well (or for very long), but I learned a ton. I won't be buying countless RTFs or ARFs in the future, nor will I be performing all of his repairs... eventually he will have to build, and I think he'll want to, especially since he gets to see first hand how similar it is to building a full size airplane. My wife and I built him a nice and sturdy workbench that is in his bedroom... it is for homework and building stuff... it's not a laundry basket, toy box or anything else... he seems to understand that, because we are teaching him. Anyhow, I don't think that the mystery and wonder of flying things are gone for kids, I just think that parents are lazy. THEY are the ones that don't have the attention span or interest in things that take time. Many of them never learned to build a bird house, let alone a complex flying machine. I know for a fact that it isn't necessarily hard, it just takes time, attention to detail and a willingness to learn. It's no different than years past... the adults are the ones who need to be instilling these qualities in the younger crowd. Any minute now, someone should be coming along to ask, "what does this have to do with building a Pietenpol." Everythinig and nothing... I'm just bored, so I'll utilize the magic words... - do not archive -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361920#361920 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:25:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where have the Models Gone? From: Ed Smith A balsa fuse/foam wing kit. Saves the frustration of all those fiddly wing ribs, but teaches the basics of balsa construction. http://www.mountainmodels.com/product_info.php?products_id=223 On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 2:03 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > He also wanted an R/C airplane... I was initially opposed to getting > him an RTF (Ready To Fly for those unfamiliar)... I wanted him to learn to > build before he was allowed to fly, but at 7 he just doesn't have the skill > or knowledge required to build from a kit. He is really good on the > simulator and he is INTERESTED in the hobby, so I hate to discourage him or > miss out on this window of opportunity. My hope is that through plastic > models, ! > model rockets, etc. that he will progress to a simple kit trainer and > beyond, much like I did. My first airplane didn't fly well (or for very > long), but I learned a ton. > -- "The problem with America is stupidity. I'm not saying there should be capital punishment for stupidity, but why don't we just take the safety labels off of everything and let the problem solve itself?" (anon) Boones Mill, VA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where have the Models Gone? From: "Bryan Reed" Mark said "Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Where have the Models Gone? Blaming video games seems obvious, but where are the parents? What are they doing? Unfortunately, many of them are camped out on the video games as well. " Mark, I took my 2-nephews aged 12 and 10 on a 3-hour flight from Phx to Sedona, Flagstaff and back through Payson, AZ. This is a breathtaking senic flight that people from around the world plan and pay dearly for the opportunity to take. They sat in the back seat and played video games the whole trip except for a 15-minute period of fighting that I finally stopped when I threatened to throw them both out the window. When I was that age I am positive had I behaved like that my Father WOULD have thrown me out the window. : ) Feeling old these days, Bryan Do not archive -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361923#361923 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 12:02:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where have the Models Gone? From: "K5YAC" Bryan, I'm sure that my brush seems somewhat broad, but I really didn't mean to suggest that ALL parents are lazy or unwilling to work with their kids. In addition to that, I have been very fortunate that my wife and son have taken an interest in my hobby, which makes it much easier for me to enjoy AND teach. I do often times have to tell my son to get off the video games when he's been on too long, but I also know of kids who are allowed to disappear to their rooms for hours on end to play their video games, and the parents are fine with that as long as it doesn't disturb what THEY want to do. Good for you for threatening to throw them out. Ha! My son prefers to see what is going on up front during an airplane ride... he seems to be soaking all this stuff up. He's never even asked for a portable game... again, I guess I'm lucky, or perhaps he just knows that I'm not likely to get him one. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361924#361924 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:14:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where have the Models Gone? From: mike Hardaway A different experience was watching Jim Markle's 11 year old son get his first ride at Brodhead this year. I have never seen anyone so completely stoked on flying after having been reluctant to fly at all. You could have read a book by the light from his face after he landed. Mike Hardaway On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 11:47 AM, Bryan Reed wrote: > > Mark said > > "Posted: Thu Dec 29, 2011 12:03 pm Post subject: Re: Where have the > Models Gone? > Blaming video games seems obvious, but where are the parents? What are > they doing? Unfortunately, many of them are camped out on the video games > as well. " > > Mark, > > I took my 2-nephews aged 12 and 10 on a 3-hour flight from Phx to > Sedona, Flagstaff and back through Payson, AZ. This is a breathtaking senic > flight that people from around the world plan and pay dearly for the > opportunity to take. > They sat in the back seat and played video games the whole trip except > for a 15-minute period of fighting that I finally stopped when I threatened > to throw them both out the window. When I was that age I am positive had I > behaved like that my Father WOULD have thrown me out the window. : ) > > Feeling old these days, > > Bryan > > Do not archive > > -------- > Working Piet N5289B > > While I may not always be right, I apologize well. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361923#361923 > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where have the Models Gone? From: "K5YAC" bkemike(at)gmail.com wrote: > A different experience was watching Jim Markle's 11 year old son get his first ride at Brodhead this year. I have never seen anyone so completely stoked on flying after having been reluctant to fly at all. You could have read a book by the light from his face after he landed. > > Mike Hardaway That is a fact Mike. Ol Ben was indeed stoked! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361928#361928 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:27 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching HONK..if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitches only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That wasn't so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowling.or 5 times that much in the wind screens! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching From: Dave Nielsen Hey man, nice picture, good job. HONK HONK "Bat Cave" Dave -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Thu, Dec 29, 2011 5:58 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitc hes only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That w asn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowl ingor 5 times that much in the wind screens! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:40 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching I am impressed Gary. I'm sure that it will take me 5 times longer than that . =0APlus hours just thinking about it. Cheers and happy newyear, Gardiner =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Thu, December 29, 2011 5:55:57 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching=0A=0A=0AHONK .if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitches only, =0Aexcluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That wa sn=99t so bad, =0Aconsidering that I have 10 times that much in my co wlingor 5 times that much in =0Athe wind screens!=0A =0A =0AGary B oothe=0ANX308MB ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Stitching From: "Jerry Dotson" Gary you are fast. I had my brother helping out and it took us about 16 hours X 2 = 32 man hours for the whole wing. Looking good. I am still working on the fuselage trying to get it ready to cover. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C 2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361940#361940 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Floorboards and rudder pedals... From: "miyer2u" Hello Hans, I am building an Avid Flyer and wanted to check the place you sourced your floor board? I wanted to install a wood grain floor board pattern for my aircraft, just like yours! Your pictures look good! Thanks! Mahesh Utah Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361941#361941 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:18 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching From: Ben Charvet That sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alot. I ha d a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it took to d o the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it would be Ben Charvet NX966BC Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stit ches only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That w asn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowli ngor 5 times that much in the wind screens! > > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:32 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching Awesome Gary... I had my dad to pass the needle back to me so I didn't have to do it alone but I can imagine the amount of extra work involved.=C2- Great job.=C2-=C2- So ... just one more to go?=C2- I spent a little t ime finishing my radio installation today.=C2- Now I can put on the leath er helmet my wife got me for Christmas and talk on the radio!=C2- Tomorro w I'll work on my final wing's fabric work.=C2- I've gotta get working or you'll fly before me!=0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________ ___________________=0A From: Ben Charvet =0ATo: "piet enpol-list@matronics.com" =0ASent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:29 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching=0A =0A=0AThat sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alo t. I had a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it t ook to do the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it wou ld be=0A=0ABen Charvet=0ANX966BC=0A=0A=0A=0ASent from my iPhone=0A=0AOn Dec 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote:=0A=0A=0A HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitc hes only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That w asn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowl ingor 5 times that much in the wind screens!=0A>=C2-=0A> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching I did mine laying flat, without a wing rotator. Took about 12 hours per wing, which is a lot of trips under the wing. My back was sore for weeks. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 7:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching That sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alot. I had a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it took to do the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it would be Ben Charvet NX966BC Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: HONK..if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitches only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That wasn't so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowling.or 5 times that much in the wind screens! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:26:09 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching 5 arm stretches per rib. 4 for the short ones. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ben Charvet Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 4:30 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching That sounds very similar to my experience. The wing rotator helps alot. I had a similar setup. After a few ribs i figured out how much cord it took to do the whole rib with one piece. Lots more fun than i thought it would be Ben Charvet NX966BC Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2011, at 5:55 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: HONK.if you have ever experienced rib-stitching a wing solo! Stitches only, excluding marking and re-enforcing tape, 8 hrs 40 minutes. That wasn=99t so bad, considering that I have 10 times that much in my cowlingor 5 times that much in the wind screens! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:05 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching I'm really glad you are getting all this valuable experience Gary. Its looking really good and I just have to find out the right bribe to get you and Ryan to stop by for a weekend or two!!! Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:50:08 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching Mike what is with this radio installation in a Piet? You are supposed to know what green and red lights are for. Where are the pictures? Say Hi to Vic. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:39:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Stitching From: "K5YAC" Awesome Gary... you are really getting it together! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=361958#361958 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:39 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching Just say the Word, Jim! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2011 6:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching I'm really glad you are getting all this valuable experience Gary. Its looking really good and I just have to find out the right bribe to get you and Ryan to stop by for a weekend or two!!! 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