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1. 06:00 AM - Re: Classic Aviation footage (Greg Bacon)
2. 07:18 AM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (Jon Ferguson)
3. 09:43 AM - "First Air Camper?" (Timothy Willis)
4. 10:26 AM - Re: "First Air Camper?" (Dan Yocum)
5. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Riblet 612 cg range? (Dan Yocum)
6. 11:04 AM - Re: "First Air Camper?" (Timothy Willis)
7. 01:06 PM - Pietenpol Story (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
8. 01:39 PM - Re: Pietenpol Story (John Hofmann)
9. 01:53 PM - Re: Pietenpol Story (Barry Davis)
10. 03:34 PM - Re: "First Air Camper?" (airlion)
11. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings (Clif Dawson)
12. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Riblet 612 cg range? (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
13. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: Riblet 612 cg range? (Ryan Mueller)
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| Subject: | Re: Classic Aviation footage |
Tom,
That was really interesting and enjoyable. Thanks for sharing it.
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
> *Ladies and Gentlemen:*
> **
> *Just so I don't start out the year by gettng flamed for un-Pietenpolish
> conduct, let me say that if you watch this classic aviation footage all the
> way through you will find a "sort of" Pietenpol connection. Note in
> particular the open cockpit and the use of a doorbell ringer that cost $2.
> *
> **
>
> http://www.aircraftowner.com/videos/view/americas-first-jet-flight-october-1942_1617.html
>
> *Stinemetze*
> *N328X*
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Where have the Models Gone? |
It warmed my heart too, so much so that I asked Ben to use it on the original article.
He has graciously agreed.
Thank You Ben!
That picture reminds me so much of me and my father when I was little!
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http://writingsofjon.blogspot.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362479#362479
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| Subject: | "First Air Camper?" |
This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to
do with Air Camper history.
When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine?
I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr.
Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine.
My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low &
Slow since 1929."
But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including
this board, and from memory.
However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled engine.
Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air Camper?
Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly?
I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that
"did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane?
Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site.
The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than
the version from 2008 and before.
What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if
so, if you have it, would you take a look?
If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to
post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am
hoping the answer is clear and not controversial.
Thanks,
Tim in central TX
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| Subject: | Re: "First Air Camper?" |
Hi Tim,
Kevin Holcomb put together a spreadsheet of the history of aircraft that
Bernard built. It is here:
http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet_list.xls
Which is linked to from this page:
http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html
It gives a pretty good run down of what Bernard built, when, and what he
powered it with. I can not vouch for its accuracy but Kevin did include
references so I think it's pretty legit.
Hope this helps,
Dan
On 01/05/2012 11:38 AM, Timothy Willis wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Timothy Willis<timwillis01@gmail.com>
>
> This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to
> do with Air Camper history.
> When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine?
>
> I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr.
> Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine.
> My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low&
> Slow since 1929."
> But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including
> this board, and from memory.
>
> However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled engine.
> Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air Camper?
> Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly?
> I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that
> "did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane?
>
> Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site.
> The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than
> the version from 2008 and before.
> What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if
> so, if you have it, would you take a look?
>
> If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to
> post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am
> hoping the answer is clear and not controversial.
> Thanks,
> Tim in central TX
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Riblet 612 cg range? |
Chris,
The GA30U-612 is used on the Skystar Kitfox Lite and Kitfox Speedster.
See here:
http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/aircraft.html
Here's a page I found on the Speedster that lists the most forward CG
position of 20% of MAC and most rearward at 31.3% of MAC. See near the
bottom of the page:
http://www.wefly4fun.com/Kitfox-01.htm
That seems to be pretty much in line with the FC-10...
In a similar vein, I've been meaning to plug N8031s data into the
following calculator, but I just haven't found the time, yet:
http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/cg_super_calc.htm
Cheers,
Dan
On 01/04/2012 10:20 PM, Chris Rusch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris Rusch"<rmdinfo@lakefield.net>
>
> My estimates put the cg at 18" the way i have it rigged now.....i did some archive
searching and pieti lowell says the cg range is real similar to the original
piet airfoil. I was really hoping some more people would be flying the ribletts
by now, i dont want to be first!!
>
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: "First Air Camper?" |
Dan,
Wow! Thanks. That seems to cover it for me. Great resource. I have saved it.
Tim in central TX
==================
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
>
> Kevin Holcomb put together a spreadsheet of the history of aircraft that
> Bernard built. It is here:
>
> http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet_list.xls
>
> Which is linked to from this page:
>
> http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html
>
> It gives a pretty good run down of what Bernard built, when, and what he
> powered it with. I can not vouch for its accuracy but Kevin did include
> references so I think it's pretty legit.
>
> Hope this helps,
> Dan
>
>
> On 01/05/2012 11:38 AM, Timothy Willis wrote:
>>
>> Willis<timwillis01@gmail.com>
>>
>> This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to
>> do with Air Camper history.
>> When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine?
>>
>> I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr.
>> Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine.
>> My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low&
>> Slow since 1929."
>> But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including
>> this board, and from memory.
>>
>> However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled
>> engine.
>> Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air
>> Camper?
>> Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly?
>> I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that
>> "did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane?
>>
>> Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site.
>> The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than
>> the version from 2008 and before.
>> What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if
>> so, if you have it, would you take a look?
>>
>> If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to
>> post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am
>> hoping the answer is clear and not controversial.
>> Thanks,
>> Tim in central TX
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Dan Yocum
> Fermilab 630.840.6509
> yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
> "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Group,
Does anyone have Chet Peeks contact info, I would like to get one of his
books. I would rather pay him than pay Amazon or EBay sellers. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Story |
Chet has a website:
http://www.threepeakspub.com/
Good reading.
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jan 5, 2012, at 3:00 PM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
>
>
> Group,
> Does anyone have Chet Peeks contact info, I would like to get one of his
> books. I would rather pay him than pay Amazon or EBay sellers. Thanks.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
>
>
>
>
>
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His website is: http://www.threepeakspub.com/ listing all his books
Barry D
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Story
Group,
Does anyone have Chet Peeks contact info, I would like to get one of his
books. I would rather pay him than pay Amazon or EBay sellers. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: "First Air Camper?" |
Where is mine and where is yours? Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Dan Yocum <yocum@fnal.gov>
Sent: Thu, January 5, 2012 1:20:02 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "First Air Camper?"
Hi Tim,
Kevin Holcomb put together a spreadsheet of the history of aircraft that
Bernard built. It is here:
http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet_list.xls
Which is linked to from this page:
http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html
It gives a pretty good run down of what Bernard built, when, and what he
powered it with. I can not vouch for its accuracy but Kevin did include
references so I think it's pretty legit.
Hope this helps,
Dan
On 01/05/2012 11:38 AM, Timothy Willis wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Timothy Willis<timwillis01@gmail.com>
>
> This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to
> do with Air Camper history.
> When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine?
>
> I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr.
> Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine.
> My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low&
> Slow since 1929."
> But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including
> this board, and from memory.
>
> However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled engine.
> Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air Camper?
> Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly?
> I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that
> "did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane?
>
> Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site.
> The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than
> the version from 2008 and before.
> What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if
> so, if you have it, would you take a look?
>
> If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to
> post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am
> hoping the answer is clear and not controversial.
> Thanks,
> Tim in central TX
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
The bearing or the casing around it?
Clif
>
> ... you heat the bearing to just soften the retaining compound, then press
> it out. Sorry if I was not clear enough on that.
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| Subject: | Re: Riblet 612 cg range? |
Dan,
The Kitfox has flaperons.
I was wondering if the flaps would allow a wider CoG range as the aerofoil section
is altered when flaps are extended.
Just a thought.
JohnW
Perth Western Australia
----- "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
Chris,
The GA30U-612 is used on the Skystar Kitfox Lite and Kitfox Speedster.
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| Subject: | Re: Riblet 612 cg range? |
Only if you intend to engineer, install, test, debug, and ultimately fly
with the flaps extended the entire time...
On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM, <johnwoods@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> Dan,
>
> The Kitfox has flaperons.
> I was wondering if the flaps would allow a wider CoG range as the aerofoil
> section is altered when flaps are extended.
> Just a thought.
>
> JohnW
> Perth Western Australia
>
> ----- "Dan Yocum" <yocum@fnal.gov> wrote:
>
> Chris,
>
> The GA30U-612 is used on the Skystar Kitfox Lite and Kitfox Speedster.
>
> *
>
>
> *
>
>
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