---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/05/12: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:00 AM - Re: Classic Aviation footage (Greg Bacon) 2. 07:18 AM - Re: Where have the Models Gone? (Jon Ferguson) 3. 09:43 AM - "First Air Camper?" (Timothy Willis) 4. 10:26 AM - Re: "First Air Camper?" (Dan Yocum) 5. 10:59 AM - Re: Re: Riblet 612 cg range? (Dan Yocum) 6. 11:04 AM - Re: "First Air Camper?" (Timothy Willis) 7. 01:06 PM - Pietenpol Story (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com) 8. 01:39 PM - Re: Pietenpol Story (John Hofmann) 9. 01:53 PM - Re: Pietenpol Story (Barry Davis) 10. 03:34 PM - Re: "First Air Camper?" (airlion) 11. 07:49 PM - Re: Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings (Clif Dawson) 12. 08:20 PM - Re: Re: Riblet 612 cg range? (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) 13. 08:52 PM - Re: Re: Riblet 612 cg range? (Ryan Mueller) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Classic Aviation footage From: Greg Bacon Tom, That was really interesting and enjoyable. Thanks for sharing it. Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 10:13 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > *Ladies and Gentlemen:* > ** > *Just so I don't start out the year by gettng flamed for un-Pietenpolish > conduct, let me say that if you watch this classic aviation footage all the > way through you will find a "sort of" Pietenpol connection. Note in > particular the open cockpit and the use of a doorbell ringer that cost $2. > * > ** > > http://www.aircraftowner.com/videos/view/americas-first-jet-flight-october-1942_1617.html > > *Stinemetze* > *N328X* > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where have the Models Gone? From: "Jon Ferguson" It warmed my heart too, so much so that I asked Ben to use it on the original article. He has graciously agreed. Thank You Ben! That picture reminds me so much of me and my father when I was little! -------- http://writingsofjon.blogspot.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362479#362479 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: "First Air Camper?" From: Timothy Willis This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to do with Air Camper history. When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine? I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr. Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine. My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low & Slow since 1929." But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including this board, and from memory. However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled engine. Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air Camper? Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly? I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that "did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane? Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site. The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than the version from 2008 and before. What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if so, if you have it, would you take a look? If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am hoping the answer is clear and not controversial. Thanks, Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:26:22 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "First Air Camper?" Hi Tim, Kevin Holcomb put together a spreadsheet of the history of aircraft that Bernard built. It is here: http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet_list.xls Which is linked to from this page: http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html It gives a pretty good run down of what Bernard built, when, and what he powered it with. I can not vouch for its accuracy but Kevin did include references so I think it's pretty legit. Hope this helps, Dan On 01/05/2012 11:38 AM, Timothy Willis wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Timothy Willis > > This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to > do with Air Camper history. > When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine? > > I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr. > Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine. > My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low& > Slow since 1929." > But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including > this board, and from memory. > > However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled engine. > Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air Camper? > Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly? > I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that > "did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane? > > Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site. > The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than > the version from 2008 and before. > What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if > so, if you have it, would you take a look? > > If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to > post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am > hoping the answer is clear and not controversial. > Thanks, > Tim in central TX > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:52 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblet 612 cg range? Chris, The GA30U-612 is used on the Skystar Kitfox Lite and Kitfox Speedster. See here: http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/aircraft.html Here's a page I found on the Speedster that lists the most forward CG position of 20% of MAC and most rearward at 31.3% of MAC. See near the bottom of the page: http://www.wefly4fun.com/Kitfox-01.htm That seems to be pretty much in line with the FC-10... In a similar vein, I've been meaning to plug N8031s data into the following calculator, but I just haven't found the time, yet: http://www.geistware.com/rcmodeling/cg_super_calc.htm Cheers, Dan On 01/04/2012 10:20 PM, Chris Rusch wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris Rusch" > > My estimates put the cg at 18" the way i have it rigged now.....i did some archive searching and pieti lowell says the cg range is real similar to the original piet airfoil. I was really hoping some more people would be flying the ribletts by now, i dont want to be first!! > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:04:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "First Air Camper?" From: Timothy Willis Dan, Wow! Thanks. That seems to cover it for me. Great resource. I have saved it. Tim in central TX ================== On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > Hi Tim, > > Kevin Holcomb put together a spreadsheet of the history of aircraft that > Bernard built. It is here: > > http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet_list.xls > > Which is linked to from this page: > > http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html > > It gives a pretty good run down of what Bernard built, when, and what he > powered it with. I can not vouch for its accuracy but Kevin did include > references so I think it's pretty legit. > > Hope this helps, > Dan > > > On 01/05/2012 11:38 AM, Timothy Willis wrote: >> >> Willis >> >> This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to >> do with Air Camper history. >> When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine? >> >> I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr. >> Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine. >> My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low& >> Slow since 1929." >> But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including >> this board, and from memory. >> >> However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled >> engine. >> Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air >> Camper? >> Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly? >> I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that >> "did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane? >> >> Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site. >> The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than >> the version from 2008 and before. >> What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if >> so, if you have it, would you take a look? >> >> If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to >> post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am >> hoping the answer is clear and not controversial. >> Thanks, >> Tim in central TX >> >> >> >> > > -- > Dan Yocum > Fermilab 630.840.6509 > yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:48 PM PST US From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Story Group, Does anyone have Chet Peeks contact info, I would like to get one of his books. I would rather pay him than pay Amazon or EBay sellers. Thanks. Brian SLC-UT ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:17 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Story Chet has a website: http://www.threepeakspub.com/ Good reading. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jan 5, 2012, at 3:00 PM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote: > > > Group, > Does anyone have Chet Peeks contact info, I would like to get one of his > books. I would rather pay him than pay Amazon or EBay sellers. Thanks. > > Brian > SLC-UT > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:20 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Story His website is: http://www.threepeakspub.com/ listing all his books Barry D -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 4:00 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Story Group, Does anyone have Chet Peeks contact info, I would like to get one of his books. I would rather pay him than pay Amazon or EBay sellers. Thanks. Brian SLC-UT ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:01 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "First Air Camper?" Where is mine and where is yours? Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Dan Yocum Sent: Thu, January 5, 2012 1:20:02 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "First Air Camper?" Hi Tim, Kevin Holcomb put together a spreadsheet of the history of aircraft that Bernard built. It is here: http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet_list.xls Which is linked to from this page: http://www.airminded.net/piet/piet.html It gives a pretty good run down of what Bernard built, when, and what he powered it with. I can not vouch for its accuracy but Kevin did include references so I think it's pretty legit. Hope this helps, Dan On 01/05/2012 11:38 AM, Timothy Willis wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: Timothy Willis > > This has nothing to do with building or flying Pietenpols, but much to > do with Air Camper history. > When did BHP build the first "Air Camper" and what was its engine? > > I have seen conflicting claims on various sites as to when Mr. > Pietenpol built his first Air Camper, and what he used for an engine. > My mindset tells me it was in 1929 and it used a Model A Ford: "Low& > Slow since 1929." > But that conclusion is what I recall from various sites, including > this board, and from memory. > > However I have seen references to a 1928 date and an Ace water cooled engine. > Was there such an earlier plane, and if so, did it look like an Air Camper? > Was it called an "Air Camper?" Did it fly? > I have seen references to "an earlier plane" than the Air Camper that > "did not fly/did not fly well." Was that the Ace-powered plane? > > Wikipedia has somewhat different info from what I recall from our site. > The Pietenpol family website now has less historical information than > the version from 2008 and before. > What is the best source for this info? Is it Chet Peek's book, and if > so, if you have it, would you take a look? > > If so, please post here, if you like. Otherwise if you would like to > post to me offline, I will look over responses and post results. I am > hoping the answer is clear and not controversial. > Thanks, > Tim in central TX > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:54 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings The bearing or the casing around it? Clif > > ... you heat the bearing to just soften the retaining compound, then press > it out. Sorry if I was not clear enough on that. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:30 PM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblet 612 cg range? Dan, The Kitfox has flaperons. I was wondering if the flaps would allow a wider CoG range as the aerofoil section is altered when flaps are extended. Just a thought. JohnW Perth Western Australia ----- "Dan Yocum" wrote: Chris, The GA30U-612 is used on the Skystar Kitfox Lite and Kitfox Speedster. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblet 612 cg range? From: Ryan Mueller Only if you intend to engineer, install, test, debug, and ultimately fly with the flaps extended the entire time... On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 10:14 PM, wrote: > Dan, > > The Kitfox has flaperons. > I was wondering if the flaps would allow a wider CoG range as the aerofoil > section is altered when flaps are extended. > Just a thought. > > JohnW > Perth Western Australia > > ----- "Dan Yocum" wrote: > > Chris, > > The GA30U-612 is used on the Skystar Kitfox Lite and Kitfox Speedster. > > * > > > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.