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1. 04:50 AM - Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings (womenfly2)
2. 09:40 AM - Brake anti-rotation (bender)
3. 10:22 AM - Re: Brake anti-rotation (Jerry Dotson)
4. 10:56 AM - Re: Brake anti-rotation (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 11:36 AM - Re: Piet on eBay (Larry Vetter)
6. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Ryan Mueller)
7. 12:42 PM - Re: Piet on eBay (Bill Church)
8. 01:12 PM - new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
9. 01:43 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Amsafetyc)
10. 01:48 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (John Hofmann)
11. 01:49 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Bryan Reed)
12. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Dan Yocum)
13. 01:57 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Kenneth M. Heide)
14. 02:07 PM - Re: Piet on eBay (Larry Vetter)
15. 02:13 PM - Re: "First Air Camper?" (Dan Yocum)
16. 02:15 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Gene Rambo)
17. 02:34 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 02:39 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (John Hofmann)
19. 02:58 PM - (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
20. 02:58 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Ryan Mueller)
21. 04:14 PM - Re: Piet on eBay (K5YAC)
22. 04:18 PM - Re: Piet on eBay (K5YAC)
23. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Jack)
24. 04:59 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Jack)
25. 05:55 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Kip and Beth Gardner)
26. 06:27 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (airlion)
27. 06:48 PM - Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... (aerocarjake)
28. 06:49 PM - Re: Piet on eBay (Larry Vetter)
29. 07:41 PM - Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... (jarheadpilot82)
30. 09:00 PM - Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... (regchief)
31. 09:25 PM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Ryan Mueller)
32. 10:12 PM - Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... (aerocarjake)
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| Subject: | Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings |
.. you heat the BEARING. Since the wheel rims maybe painted an or fabric covered.
Does not take much heat to soften the retaining compound.
I would be careful about the loading forces on the plastic bearings vs. wall thickness
and length. Just make sure you pick the correct one for the application.
A bearing disintegrating in a wheel housing on landing or take-off can be down
right exciting!
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| Subject: | Brake anti-rotation |
Hey Guys..
I'm messing with brakes today..
i decided i like the method of anti-rotation on wood gear axle that Dan and Mike
used...but..
What size material is appropriate here ?
i have tubing around to weld to the inside gear plate for the "pin" to ride in..and
kinda feel like 1/2" tubing would be big enough but the "pin" that slides
inside that is attached to the axle.. ? not sure... solid ?.. tube ?
it looks like 3 inches of travel is about right so were not talking about lots
of leverage forces and i'm using external band brakes.. which i know are not very
effective... just need to be able stop while taxiing.. can't image needing
really big stuff here
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Brake anti-rotation |
Jeff,
I used 1/2" Grade 5 bolts welded in the axle. I forget what size tube it was but
big enough so as not bind. The down side of that is you can see the"slop" when
the brakes are first applied. That is OK with me.... it wont bind.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Brake anti-rotation |
Hi Jeff,
I don't have my Piet here to look at, but I believe I used 3/8" O.D. tube f
or the "pin" (quite heavy wall thickness). The "sheath" tube was a bit over
size, and I actually "squished" this tube into an oval shape, in anticipati
on of unequal forces from side to side (in other words, if one wheel hits a
pot hole and the other doesn't, the axle will raise up on one side but not
the other. No issues so far, but I have a limited number of landings, mayb
e 100.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 11:41 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brake anti-rotation
>
Hey Guys..
'm messing with brakes today..
decided i like the method of anti-rotation on wood gear axle that Dan and
Mike
sed...but..
hat size material is appropriate here ?
have tubing around to weld to the inside gear plate for the "pin" to ride
n..and kinda feel like 1/2" tubing would be big enough but the "pin" that
lides inside that is attached to the axle.. ? not sure... solid ?.. tube ?
it looks like 3 inches of travel is about right so were not talking about l
ots
f leverage forces and i'm using external band brakes.. which i know are not
ery effective... just need to be able stop while taxiing.. can't image need
ing
eally big stuff here
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
Did it really go that cheap?? 9500.00? What was wrong with it?
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
Easy....they sold it on eBay, and got hosed.
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Larry Vetter <vetter@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> Did it really go that cheap?? 9500.00? What was wrong with it?
> Larry
> do not archive
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> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
Looks like someone got a deal (the purchaser - not the seller).
The only oddity I see is a very odd aileron cable routing. From the photos it appears
that the aileron control cables have been rerouted so that they don't pass
through the instrument area. That could be a nice feature, BUT... the new
route has the cables seriously impeding access to the front seat. Not sure how
anyone would manage to get in that front seat.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions |
I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol....if I should use l
atex or Stitts, and if I can use
hardware store bolts and cables.
Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?
Is there a four seat version?
What if I'm 6' 4" and weigh 260 pounds...will a 65 Continental be good enou
gh. I have a short backyard strip, 1500' with trees at both ends.
Happy New Year to the group,
Mike C.
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Happy New Year and welcome back we missed you. I can't answer for the rest o
f the group however, latex, spandex or the pink chiffon I think you'll look e
qually good in any of them. Just make certain you accessorize appropriately o
ften times less and understated is considered more.
John
Do not archive unless you're interested in fashion tips
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:06 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol.if I shoul
d use latex or Stitts, and if I can use
> hardware store bolts and cables.
>
> Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?
>
> Is there a four seat version?
>
> What if I=99m 6=99 4=9D and weigh 260 poundswil
l a 65 Continental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500
=99 with trees at both ends.
>
> Happy New Year to the group,
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
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Smile Son, Never Disconcert the Masses!
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
> I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should
use latex or Stitts, and if I can use
> hardware store bolts and cables.
>
> Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?
>
> Is there a four seat version?
>
> What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Continental
be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500=92 with trees at
both ends.
>
> Happy New Year to the group,
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I don't know about the rest but I am sure picture hanging wire should
suffice and make sure ya use the good stuff at the hardware store. Nuttin
but good old hard grade 8. ; ( Heck if'n its good nuff for bicycles it
should be fine on a light aeroplane.
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Bryan
On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should use
> latex or Stitts, and if I can use****
>
> hardware store bolts and cables. ****
>
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>
> Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?****
>
> ** **
>
> Is there a four seat version? ****
>
> ** **
>
> What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Continental be g
ood
> enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500=92 with trees at both ends.
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
That's what the market will bear right now... Looks like a nice Piet,
too (except for the aileron cables Bill already pointed out). Maybe the
buyer will step out and introduce themselves...
Dan
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On 01/06/2012 01:29 PM, Larry Vetter wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Vetter"<vetter@evertek.net>
>
> Did it really go that cheap?? 9500.00? What was wrong with it?
> Larry
> do not archive
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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Well spoken, after all is completed fly and never look back!
Kenneth M. Heide
Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:06 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol.if I shoul
d use latex or Stitts, and if I can use
> hardware store bolts and cables.
>
> Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?
>
> Is there a four seat version?
>
> What if I=99m 6=99 4=9D and weigh 260 poundswil
l a 65 Continental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500
=99 with trees at both ends.
>
> Happy New Year to the group,
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
I did notice that too.I wonder why it was done that way.Looks like probably a one
piece wing as well.Nothing wrong with that just makes it harder to trailer
if you had to
I was just surprized by the low winning bid when you see most Pietenpols going
for 5 to 7 thousand more than that.
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: "First Air Camper?" |
Hi Gardiner,
Yeah, I wouldn't call the list complete by any stretch of the
imagination, but the top portion that contains Bernards a/c looks pretty
good.
Dan
On 01/05/2012 05:30 PM, airlion wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion<airlion@bellsouth.net>
>
> Where is mine and where is yours? Gardiner
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Hoffman was naked with Grega once . . . do not archive
From: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay=2C old subscrib
er=2C old questions
Smile Son=2C Never Disconcert the Masses!
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John HofmannVice-President=2C Information TechnologyThe Rees Group=2C Inc.2
424 American LaneMadison=2C WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443
.2474Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jan 6=2C 2012=2C at 3:06 PM=2C Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPA
CE CORP] wrote:I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if
I should use latex or Stitts=2C and if I can usehardware store bolts and c
ables. Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing? Is there a four sea
t version? What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Contin
ental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip=2C 1500=92 with trees
at both ends. Happy New Year to the group=2C Mike C.
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Passin thruuuuuu!..........just passin thruuuuuu!.....
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber
, old questions
Smile Son, Never Disconcert the Masses!
do not archive
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
wrote:
I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol.if I should
use latex or Stitts, and if I can use
hardware store bolts and cables.
Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?
Is there a four seat version?
What if I=99m 6=99 4=9D and weigh 260 poundswill
a 65 Continental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500
=99 with trees at both ends.
Happy New Year to the group,
Mike C.
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Hey! I thought that was our secret? I did meet him a couple of times. He
was a grumpy old cuss.
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Gene Rambo wrote:
> Hoffman was naked with Grega once . . .
>
>
> do not archive
>
> From: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old
subscriber, old questions
> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:43:24 -0600
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Smile Son, Never Disconcert the Masses!
>
> do not archive
>
> John Hofmann
> Vice-President, Information Technology
> The Rees Group, Inc.
> 2424 American Lane
> Madison, WI 53704
> Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
> Fax: 608.443.2474
> Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
>
> On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] wrote:
>
> I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should
use latex or Stitts, and if I can use
> hardware store bolts and cables.
>
> Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?
>
> Is there a four seat version?
>
> What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Continental
be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500=92 with trees at
both ends.
>
> Happy New Year to the group,
>
> Mike C.
>
>
>
>
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John Grega was looking over my Piet at a fly in a few years before he passe
d away and he asked
me why I didn't build his design and I told him that the Pietenpol was ligh
ter and that you could change
CG easier with the way the cabane fittings are oriented on the fuselage and
center section....he wasn't
charmed but I was nice about it.
Mike C.
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On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE
CORP] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should use
> latex or Stitts, and if I can use****
>
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
>From this photo it looks like he has a quick release in the cable... safety pin
style wire keeper on the pin.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
>From this photo it looks like he has a quick release in the cable... safety pin
style wire keeper on the pin.
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Mark Chouinard
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
The one thing I've learned at some cost is the pictures look much better
than the actual item.
Jack
DSM
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:49 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay
That's what the market will bear right now... Looks like a nice Piet,
too (except for the aileron cables Bill already pointed out). Maybe the
buyer will step out and introduce themselves...
Dan
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On 01/06/2012 01:29 PM, Larry Vetter wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Vetter"<vetter@evertek.net>
>
> Did it really go that cheap?? 9500.00? What was wrong with it?
> Larry
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
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"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old |
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Mike Happy New Year to you too!
I'm using gorilla glue throughout, bed sheets to cover with varnish.
Jack
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:07 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old
questions
I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol..if I should use
latex or Stitts, and if I can use
hardware store bolts and cables.
Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?
Is there a four seat version?
What if I'm 6' 4" and weigh 260 pounds.will a 65 Continental be good enough.
I have a short backyard strip, 1500' with trees at both ends.
Happy New Year to the group,
Mike C.
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Aww, why not Elmers? Good enough for a boat in a hurricane in Belize,
after all....
On Jan 6, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Jack wrote:
> Mike Happy New Year to you too!
> I=92m using gorilla glue throughout, bed sheets to cover with varnish=85
> Jack
> DSM
> NX1929T
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> ] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:07 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old
> subscriber, old questions
>
> I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should
> use latex or Stitts, and if I can use
> hardware store bolts and cables.
>
> Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?
>
> Is there a four seat version?
>
> What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Continental
be good
> enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500=92 with trees at both
> ends.
>
> Happy New Year to the group,
>
> Mike C.
>
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> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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how about flour and water. thats a pretty good glue for a piet.he he he.
=0Agardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kip and
Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
=0ASent: Fri, January 6, 2012 8:50:07 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new
subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old =0Aquestions=0A=0AAww, why
not Elmers? Good enough for a boat in a hurricane in Belize, after =0Aall
....=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 6, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Jack wrote:=0A=0A =0A>Mike Happy N
ew Year to you too!=0A>I=99m using gorilla glue throughout, bed sheet
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ution=0A> =0A> =0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L
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| Subject: | Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... |
Hello good Piet-ple...
Thought Id post an update on my project
I was able to spend 8 of the 9 days off during the holiday break in my workshop
mostly fabricating small pieces and parts. There are lots more to go and yet
Im fine with that as I am enjoying the adventure/experience/journey.
Part of the challenge with the Pietenpol design, especially with the steel-tube
fuselage version, is that so much of it is not defined on the plans. I therefore
spend a great deal more time designing certain elements than I actually do
fabricating the parts. An example of this is where the shoulder harness and seat
belts attach to the frame.
The photos show that my solution in this area has been to form a 4130 steel tube
bow behind the pilot and passenger seats. The nylon shoulder harness straps
will wrap around these tubes and should not interfere with the other things that
share that same volume such as the back of the instruments, the cross bracing,
aileron control cables, and instrument wires & pitot tubing. Mocking the area
up with string and cardboard parts has really helped to visualize this volume.
The pilots shoulder harness may still route back to fittings under the turtle
deck aft of the seat, but the bow will share the load and provide support
under the turtledeck structure in case someone sits on it while climbing into
the pilots seat.
I have been asked how much of the design I changed from the original plans. My
best answer may be to say that from the side view, it is dimensionally EXACTLY
the short fuselage steel-tube Pietenpol dimensions taken directly from an original
copy of the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. The fuselage was made two inches
wider than plans and I increased the diameter and number of tubing segments
to carry structural loads around the area of my left side door cutout.
Ive included a screen shot of the fuselage truss I created in CAD which shows the
exact lengths of the cross members (centerline-to-centerline dimensions) because
when you make the fuselage two inches wider than plans, all the dimensions
in the tapered (aft fuselage) section are different than the plans.
In addition, I have installed more structure than that image shows to attach things
like rudder pedals, seats, and control bar fittings. Everywhere a critical
part mounts to the airplane, there will be a tab welded to the frame so all
critical parts are attached to the structure itself, not secondary structure such
as the plywood floor.
All this redesign adds some weight but the tubing itself is surprisingly light
(overall lighter than the wood fuselage by about 30 pounds if my numbers are correct)
and the few times I may add a bit of weight to my airplane I want it to
be for a conscious purpose.
Note: As a caveat, I have not yet completed this plane, so all things at this
point (January 2012) are just my current solutions/thinking and are subject to
change(!)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
I guess I should clarify that I haven't actually seen any sell for 14 to 16 thousand,
but some are advertised in that range.
I was expecting the reserve price not to be met, but maybe they aren't going for
much more than that.
I don't know whether I'd like the aileron cables routed that way...Just my opinion.
Larry
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Jake,
The pictures do not do justice to the great work you have done. Very nice.
To those reading- I have been to the Newport Way Air Museum (His house), and I
can attest to the really nice work Jake has done. I can't wait to see his finished
aircraft when he makes his Jake-Across-The-USA tour.
Again, nicely done.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... |
Thanks Jake. The pictures and work are great, and I can see the amount of designing
you have incorporated so far, such as the brakes, rudder pedals and seats.
I came home today, and my plans were in the mail box. I have lurked about the
site for many years, and met several piet folks over the last year. I have been
interested in building a steel tube piet with possibly an 0-200 for power.
I was thinking of using a form of the long fuselage by stretching the steel tube
planand possibly increseing the tube size.. Keep up the great work!
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
I saw one sell for $15.5, twice...just saying
Ryan
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On Jan 6, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Larry Vetter <vetter@evertek.net> wrote:
>
> I guess I should clarify that I haven't actually seen any sell for 14 to 16 thousand,
but some are advertised in that range.
> I was expecting the reserve price not to be met, but maybe they aren't going
for much more than that.
>
> I don't know whether I'd like the aileron cables routed that way...Just my opinion.
>
> Larry
>
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| Subject: | Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... |
Thanks Terry.... We'll fly our Piets in formation one day....!
Congrats on the plans arriving Chief...... The start of your adventure.....!!
The 0-200 would be a good engine choice.....
J
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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