---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/06/12: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:50 AM - Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings (womenfly2) 2. 09:40 AM - Brake anti-rotation (bender) 3. 10:22 AM - Re: Brake anti-rotation (Jerry Dotson) 4. 10:56 AM - Re: Brake anti-rotation (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 11:36 AM - Re: Piet on eBay (Larry Vetter) 6. 12:03 PM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Ryan Mueller) 7. 12:42 PM - Re: Piet on eBay (Bill Church) 8. 01:12 PM - new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 9. 01:43 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Amsafetyc) 10. 01:48 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (John Hofmann) 11. 01:49 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Bryan Reed) 12. 01:55 PM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Dan Yocum) 13. 01:57 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Kenneth M. Heide) 14. 02:07 PM - Re: Piet on eBay (Larry Vetter) 15. 02:13 PM - Re: "First Air Camper?" (Dan Yocum) 16. 02:15 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Gene Rambo) 17. 02:34 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (helspersew@aol.com) 18. 02:39 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (John Hofmann) 19. 02:58 PM - (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 20. 02:58 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Ryan Mueller) 21. 04:14 PM - Re: Piet on eBay (K5YAC) 22. 04:18 PM - Re: Piet on eBay (K5YAC) 23. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Jack) 24. 04:59 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Jack) 25. 05:55 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Kip and Beth Gardner) 26. 06:27 PM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (airlion) 27. 06:48 PM - Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... (aerocarjake) 28. 06:49 PM - Re: Piet on eBay (Larry Vetter) 29. 07:41 PM - Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... (jarheadpilot82) 30. 09:00 PM - Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... (regchief) 31. 09:25 PM - Re: Re: Piet on eBay (Ryan Mueller) 32. 10:12 PM - Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bronze-Brass Bearings From: "womenfly2" .. you heat the BEARING. Since the wheel rims maybe painted an or fabric covered. Does not take much heat to soften the retaining compound. I would be careful about the loading forces on the plastic bearings vs. wall thickness and length. Just make sure you pick the correct one for the application. A bearing disintegrating in a wheel housing on landing or take-off can be down right exciting! -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362567#362567 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brake anti-rotation From: "bender" Hey Guys.. I'm messing with brakes today.. i decided i like the method of anti-rotation on wood gear axle that Dan and Mike used...but.. What size material is appropriate here ? i have tubing around to weld to the inside gear plate for the "pin" to ride in..and kinda feel like 1/2" tubing would be big enough but the "pin" that slides inside that is attached to the axle.. ? not sure... solid ?.. tube ? it looks like 3 inches of travel is about right so were not talking about lots of leverage forces and i'm using external band brakes.. which i know are not very effective... just need to be able stop while taxiing.. can't image needing really big stuff here jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362579#362579 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brake anti-rotation From: "Jerry Dotson" Jeff, I used 1/2" Grade 5 bolts welded in the axle. I forget what size tube it was but big enough so as not bind. The down side of that is you can see the"slop" when the brakes are first applied. That is OK with me.... it wont bind. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C 2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362584#362584 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:56:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brake anti-rotation From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Jeff, I don't have my Piet here to look at, but I believe I used 3/8" O.D. tube f or the "pin" (quite heavy wall thickness). The "sheath" tube was a bit over size, and I actually "squished" this tube into an oval shape, in anticipati on of unequal forces from side to side (in other words, if one wheel hits a pot hole and the other doesn't, the axle will raise up on one side but not the other. No issues so far, but I have a limited number of landings, mayb e 100. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 11:41 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brake anti-rotation > Hey Guys.. 'm messing with brakes today.. decided i like the method of anti-rotation on wood gear axle that Dan and Mike sed...but.. hat size material is appropriate here ? have tubing around to weld to the inside gear plate for the "pin" to ride n..and kinda feel like 1/2" tubing would be big enough but the "pin" that lides inside that is attached to the axle.. ? not sure... solid ?.. tube ? it looks like 3 inches of travel is about right so were not talking about l ots f leverage forces and i'm using external band brakes.. which i know are not ery effective... just need to be able stop while taxiing.. can't image need ing eally big stuff here jeff ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362579#362579 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay From: "Larry Vetter" Did it really go that cheap?? 9500.00? What was wrong with it? Larry do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362594#362594 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:03:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay From: Ryan Mueller Easy....they sold it on eBay, and got hosed. do not archive On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Larry Vetter wrote: > > Did it really go that cheap?? 9500.00? What was wrong with it? > Larry > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362594#362594 > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay From: "Bill Church" Looks like someone got a deal (the purchaser - not the seller). The only oddity I see is a very odd aileron cable routing. From the photos it appears that the aileron control cables have been rerouted so that they don't pass through the instrument area. That could be a nice feature, BUT... the new route has the cables seriously impeding access to the front seat. Not sure how anyone would manage to get in that front seat. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362603#362603 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_cable_197.jpg ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:12:37 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol....if I should use l atex or Stitts, and if I can use hardware store bolts and cables. Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing? Is there a four seat version? What if I'm 6' 4" and weigh 260 pounds...will a 65 Continental be good enou gh. I have a short backyard strip, 1500' with trees at both ends. Happy New Year to the group, Mike C. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:43:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions From: Amsafetyc Happy New Year and welcome back we missed you. I can't answer for the rest o f the group however, latex, spandex or the pink chiffon I think you'll look e qually good in any of them. Just make certain you accessorize appropriately o ften times less and understated is considered more. John Do not archive unless you're interested in fashion tips Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:06 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] " wrote: > I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol.if I shoul d use latex or Stitts, and if I can use > hardware store bolts and cables. > > Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing? > > Is there a four seat version? > > What if I=99m 6=99 4=9D and weigh 260 poundswil l a 65 Continental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500 =99 with trees at both ends. > > Happy New Year to the group, > > Mike C. > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 01:48:25 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions Smile Son, Never Disconcert the Masses! do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote: > I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should use latex or Stitts, and if I can use > hardware store bolts and cables. > > Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing? > > Is there a four seat version? > > What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Continental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500=92 with trees at both ends. > > Happy New Year to the group, > > Mike C. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions From: Bryan Reed I don't know about the rest but I am sure picture hanging wire should suffice and make sure ya use the good stuff at the hardware store. Nuttin but good old hard grade 8. ; ( Heck if'n its good nuff for bicycles it should be fine on a light aeroplane. No archive Bryan On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote: > I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should use > latex or Stitts, and if I can use**** > > hardware store bolts and cables. **** > > ** ** > > Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?**** > > ** ** > > Is there a four seat version? **** > > ** ** > > What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Continental be g ood > enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500=92 with trees at both ends. * > *** > > ** ** > > Happy New Year to the group, **** > > ** ** > > Mike C. **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:33 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay That's what the market will bear right now... Looks like a nice Piet, too (except for the aileron cables Bill already pointed out). Maybe the buyer will step out and introduce themselves... Dan do not archive On 01/06/2012 01:29 PM, Larry Vetter wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Vetter" > > Did it really go that cheap?? 9500.00? What was wrong with it? > Larry > do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions From: "Kenneth M. Heide" Well spoken, after all is completed fly and never look back! Kenneth M. Heide Sent from my iPhone On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:06 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] " wrote: > I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol.if I shoul d use latex or Stitts, and if I can use > hardware store bolts and cables. > > Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing? > > Is there a four seat version? > > What if I=99m 6=99 4=9D and weigh 260 poundswil l a 65 Continental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500 =99 with trees at both ends. > > Happy New Year to the group, > > Mike C. > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:49 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay From: "Larry Vetter" I did notice that too.I wonder why it was done that way.Looks like probably a one piece wing as well.Nothing wrong with that just makes it harder to trailer if you had to I was just surprized by the low winning bid when you see most Pietenpols going for 5 to 7 thousand more than that. Larry do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362612#362612 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:13:18 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "First Air Camper?" Hi Gardiner, Yeah, I wouldn't call the list complete by any stretch of the imagination, but the top portion that contains Bernards a/c looks pretty good. Dan On 01/05/2012 05:30 PM, airlion wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: airlion > > Where is mine and where is yours? Gardiner ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:15:51 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions Hoffman was naked with Grega once . . . do not archive From: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay=2C old subscrib er=2C old questions Smile Son=2C Never Disconcert the Masses! do not archive John HofmannVice-President=2C Information TechnologyThe Rees Group=2C Inc.2 424 American LaneMadison=2C WI 53704Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150Fax: 608.443 .2474Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jan 6=2C 2012=2C at 3:06 PM=2C Cuy=2C Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPA CE CORP] wrote:I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should use latex or Stitts=2C and if I can usehardware store bolts and c ables. Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing? Is there a four sea t version? What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Contin ental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip=2C 1500=92 with trees at both ends. Happy New Year to the group=2C Mike C. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator? Pietenpol-List blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">http://forums.matronics.com style="color: blue=3B text-decoration: underline=3B ">http://www.matronic s.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions From: helspersew@aol.com Passin thruuuuuu!..........just passin thruuuuuu!..... -----Original Message----- From: John Hofmann Sent: Fri, Jan 6, 2012 3:49 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber , old questions Smile Son, Never Disconcert the Masses! do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote: I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol.if I should use latex or Stitts, and if I can use hardware store bolts and cables. Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing? Is there a four seat version? What if I=99m 6=99 4=9D and weigh 260 poundswill a 65 Continental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500 =99 with trees at both ends. Happy New Year to the group, Mike C. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"; style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pie tenpol-List lue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com tyle="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com /contribution -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:50 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions Hey! I thought that was our secret? I did meet him a couple of times. He was a grumpy old cuss. do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jan 6, 2012, at 4:10 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Hoffman was naked with Grega once . . . > > > do not archive > > From: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions > Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2012 15:43:24 -0600 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Smile Son, Never Disconcert the Masses! > > do not archive > > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > On Jan 6, 2012, at 3:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote: > > I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should use latex or Stitts, and if I can use > hardware store bolts and cables. > > Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing? > > Is there a four seat version? > > What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Continental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500=92 with trees at both ends. > > Happy New Year to the group, > > Mike C. > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://forums.matronics.com > style="color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:27 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Grega was looking over my Piet at a fly in a few years before he passe d away and he asked me why I didn't build his design and I told him that the Pietenpol was ligh ter and that you could change CG easier with the way the cabane fittings are oriented on the fuselage and center section....he wasn't charmed but I was nice about it. Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions From: Ryan Mueller +1 x 10 do not archive On Fri, Jan 6, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] wrote: > I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should use > latex or Stitts, and if I can use**** > > hardware store bolts and cables. **** > > ** ** > > Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?**** > > ** ** > > Is there a four seat version? **** > > ** ** > > What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Continental be g ood > enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500=92 with trees at both ends. * > *** > > ** ** > > Happy New Year to the group, **** > > ** ** > > Mike C. **** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay From: "K5YAC" >From this photo it looks like he has a quick release in the cable... safety pin style wire keeper on the pin. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362626#362626 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_cable_214.jpg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:18:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay From: "K5YAC" >From this photo it looks like he has a quick release in the cable... safety pin style wire keeper on the pin. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362627#362627 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/aileron_cable_170.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:00 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay The one thing I've learned at some cost is the pictures look much better than the actual item. Jack DSM Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yocum Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:49 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay That's what the market will bear right now... Looks like a nice Piet, too (except for the aileron cables Bill already pointed out). Maybe the buyer will step out and introduce themselves... Dan do not archive On 01/06/2012 01:29 PM, Larry Vetter wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Larry Vetter" > > Did it really go that cheap?? 9500.00? What was wrong with it? > Larry > do not archive -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:49 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions Mike Happy New Year to you too! I'm using gorilla glue throughout, bed sheets to cover with varnish. Jack DSM NX1929T DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol..if I should use latex or Stitts, and if I can use hardware store bolts and cables. Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing? Is there a four seat version? What if I'm 6' 4" and weigh 260 pounds.will a 65 Continental be good enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500' with trees at both ends. Happy New Year to the group, Mike C. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:10 PM PST US From: Kip and Beth Gardner Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions Aww, why not Elmers? Good enough for a boat in a hurricane in Belize, after all.... On Jan 6, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Jack wrote: > Mike Happy New Year to you too! > I=92m using gorilla glue throughout, bed sheets to cover with varnish=85 > Jack > DSM > NX1929T > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > ] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:07 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old > subscriber, old questions > > I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pietenpol=85.if I should > use latex or Stitts, and if I can use > hardware store bolts and cables. > > Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing? > > Is there a four seat version? > > What if I=92m 6=92 4=94 and weigh 260 pounds=85will a 65 Continental be good > enough. I have a short backyard strip, 1500=92 with trees at both > ends. > > Happy New Year to the group, > > Mike C. > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:06 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions how about flour and water. thats a pretty good glue for a piet.he he he. =0Agardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Kip and Beth Gardner =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Fri, January 6, 2012 8:50:07 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old =0Aquestions=0A=0AAww, why not Elmers? Good enough for a boat in a hurricane in Belize, after =0Aall ....=0A=0A=0AOn Jan 6, 2012, at 7:55 PM, Jack wrote:=0A=0A =0A>Mike Happy N ew Year to you too!=0A>I=99m using gorilla glue throughout, bed sheet s to cover with varnish=0A>Jack=0A>DSM=0A>NX1929T=0A>DO NOT ARCHIV E=0A> =0A>=0A________________________________=0A =0A>From:owner-pietenpol-l ist-server@matronics.com =0A>[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics. com ] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. =0A>(GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]=0A>S ent: Friday, January 06, 2012 3:07 PM=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0A>Subject: Pietenpol-List: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber , old =0A>questions=0A> =0A>I was wondering about building a Grega vs. a Pi etenpol.if I should use latex or =0A>Stitts, and if I can use=0A>h ardware store bolts and cables. =0A> =0A>Can I make it a nose gear with a second wing?=0A> =0A>Is there a four seat version? =0A> =0A>What if I =99m 6=99 4=9D and weigh 260 poundswill a 65 Contin ental be good enough. I =0A>have a short backyard strip, 1500=99 wi th trees at both ends. =0A>=0A> =0A>Happy New Year to the group, =0A> =0A> Mike C. =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List=0A>http://forums.matronics.com=0A>http://www.matronics.com/contrib ution=0A> =0A> =0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L ist">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A> href="http://f orums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0A>href="http://www.mat ronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A> =0A>=0A ================ =0A ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... From: "aerocarjake" Hello good Piet-ple... Thought Id post an update on my project I was able to spend 8 of the 9 days off during the holiday break in my workshop mostly fabricating small pieces and parts. There are lots more to go and yet Im fine with that as I am enjoying the adventure/experience/journey. Part of the challenge with the Pietenpol design, especially with the steel-tube fuselage version, is that so much of it is not defined on the plans. I therefore spend a great deal more time designing certain elements than I actually do fabricating the parts. An example of this is where the shoulder harness and seat belts attach to the frame. The photos show that my solution in this area has been to form a 4130 steel tube bow behind the pilot and passenger seats. The nylon shoulder harness straps will wrap around these tubes and should not interfere with the other things that share that same volume such as the back of the instruments, the cross bracing, aileron control cables, and instrument wires & pitot tubing. Mocking the area up with string and cardboard parts has really helped to visualize this volume. The pilots shoulder harness may still route back to fittings under the turtle deck aft of the seat, but the bow will share the load and provide support under the turtledeck structure in case someone sits on it while climbing into the pilots seat. I have been asked how much of the design I changed from the original plans. My best answer may be to say that from the side view, it is dimensionally EXACTLY the short fuselage steel-tube Pietenpol dimensions taken directly from an original copy of the 1932 Flying and Glider Manual. The fuselage was made two inches wider than plans and I increased the diameter and number of tubing segments to carry structural loads around the area of my left side door cutout. Ive included a screen shot of the fuselage truss I created in CAD which shows the exact lengths of the cross members (centerline-to-centerline dimensions) because when you make the fuselage two inches wider than plans, all the dimensions in the tapered (aft fuselage) section are different than the plans. In addition, I have installed more structure than that image shows to attach things like rudder pedals, seats, and control bar fittings. Everywhere a critical part mounts to the airplane, there will be a tab welded to the frame so all critical parts are attached to the structure itself, not secondary structure such as the plywood floor. All this redesign adds some weight but the tubing itself is surprisingly light (overall lighter than the wood fuselage by about 30 pounds if my numbers are correct) and the few times I may add a bit of weight to my airplane I want it to be for a conscious purpose. Note: As a caveat, I have not yet completed this plane, so all things at this point (January 2012) are just my current solutions/thinking and are subject to change(!) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362636#362636 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/5_iso_fuselage_rev_a_174.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_pax_seat_arch_126.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/3_pilot_seat_arch_326.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/2_torque_tube_143.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/1_control_sticks_695.jpg ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:49:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay From: "Larry Vetter" I guess I should clarify that I haven't actually seen any sell for 14 to 16 thousand, but some are advertised in that range. I was expecting the reserve price not to be met, but maybe they aren't going for much more than that. I don't know whether I'd like the aileron cables routed that way...Just my opinion. Larry do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362637#362637 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... From: "jarheadpilot82" Jake, The pictures do not do justice to the great work you have done. Very nice. To those reading- I have been to the Newport Way Air Museum (His house), and I can attest to the really nice work Jake has done. I can't wait to see his finished aircraft when he makes his Jake-Across-The-USA tour. Again, nicely done. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362643#362643 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 09:00:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... From: "regchief" Thanks Jake. The pictures and work are great, and I can see the amount of designing you have incorporated so far, such as the brakes, rudder pedals and seats. I came home today, and my plans were in the mail box. I have lurked about the site for many years, and met several piet folks over the last year. I have been interested in building a steel tube piet with possibly an 0-200 for power. I was thinking of using a form of the long fuselage by stretching the steel tube planand possibly increseing the tube size.. Keep up the great work! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362649#362649 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:25:07 PM PST US From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet on eBay I saw one sell for $15.5, twice...just saying Ryan Do not archive On Jan 6, 2012, at 8:55 PM, Larry Vetter wrote: > > I guess I should clarify that I haven't actually seen any sell for 14 to 16 thousand, but some are advertised in that range. > I was expecting the reserve price not to be met, but maybe they aren't going for much more than that. > > I don't know whether I'd like the aileron cables routed that way...Just my opinion. > > Larry > > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362637#362637 > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update on my steel-tube Pietenpol project... From: "aerocarjake" Thanks Terry.... We'll fly our Piets in formation one day....! Congrats on the plans arriving Chief...... The start of your adventure.....!! The 0-200 would be a good engine choice..... 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