Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sat 01/07/12


Total Messages Posted: 10



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:44 AM - Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old questions (Mark Stanley)
     2. 06:01 AM - Mke Cuy Re: GN-1 (Lawrence Williams)
     3. 07:50 AM - Re: Brake anti-rotation (bender)
     4. 12:23 PM - center secting wing ribs (Scott Cutler)
     5. 01:32 PM - Re: center secting wing ribs (Gary Boothe)
     6. 03:08 PM - Re: Re: Brake anti-rotation (helspersew@aol.com)
     7. 06:15 PM - Re: Re: Brake anti-rotation (Greg Cardinal)
     8. 06:39 PM - New Builder to the Piet Family (FandS_Piet)
     9. 07:02 PM - Re: New Builder to the Piet Family (Jack Phillips)
    10. 09:10 PM - Re: center secting wing ribs (Greg Bacon)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:44:24 AM PST US
    From: "Mark Stanley" <mmrally@nifty.com>
    Subject: Re: new subscriber questions--okay, old subscriber, old
    questions Hey Mike, How about making it a canard with a nose skid and pylon mounted engine.......? Happy New Year to you too! Mark S Japan Do not archive


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    Time: 06:01:31 AM PST US
    From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Mke Cuy re: GN-1
    Mike- - Seems like reasonable innovation to me. In light of some of the posts on th is list in years past, you don't seem to be doing anything more irrational than some others. - I got a call from someone yesterday that will recieve his plans next week. He is interested in building to-the-plans, keeping it light and using a Mod el "A" for power. I tried to tell him that the plans were merely a suggesti on and that he really needed to make a bunch of changes to bring it into th e 21st century (wider fuse, doors, electronics and lights, different airfoi l, at least 100 h.p. engine, etc.) but I don't think he was listening. Bles s his heart!!! - Love ya' all- - Larry - ps. we be needin' a lot more--- -DO NOT ARCHIVE---- on the list! - -


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    Time: 07:50:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brake anti-rotation
    From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
    thanks gentleman... did some welding..here it is i had some 5/16 bungee around so i put 14 feet on each side just to check things out...easier to preload it won't move with just me on board.. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362660#362660 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bungee_970.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/brake_207.jpg


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    Time: 12:23:27 PM PST US
    From: "Scott Cutler" <cutlertxs@comcast.net>
    Subject: center secting wing ribs
    My 7th and 8th grade students have finally finished making the outboard wing section ribs (3-piece wing, 26 ribs-needless to say, they are ready to move on) to our AirCamper. We constructed the ribs with vertical supports on the fore and aft sides of the front and rear spar locations. We don't know how to support the spar locations on the ribs that form the butt joint between the outer and center wing sections. Those locations are filled with plywood, steel straps, and pulleys. Those of you that built a 3-piece wing, how did you build those 4 butt ribs in the spar locations? Thanks, Scott Cutler


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    Time: 01:32:58 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: center secting wing ribs
    Scott, Just trace the rib on to a piece of plywood, cut and glue. You can rasp & sand the plywood to fit after the glue is hard. Does that answer your question? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Scott Cutler Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 12:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: center secting wing ribs My 7th and 8th grade students have finally finished making the outboard wing section ribs (3-piece wing, 26 ribs-needless to say, they are ready to move on) to our AirCamper. We constructed the ribs with vertical supports on the fore and aft sides of the front and rear spar locations. We don't know how to support the spar locations on the ribs that form the butt joint between the outer and center wing sections. Those locations are filled with plywood, steel straps, and pulleys. Those of you that built a 3-piece wing, how did you build those 4 butt ribs in the spar locations? Thanks, Scott Cutler


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    Time: 03:08:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brake anti-rotation
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Looks cool Jeff............ Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:51 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brake anti-rotation > thanks gentleman... did some welding..here it is i had some 5/16 bungee around so i put 14 feet on each side just to check t hings ut...easier to preload it won't move with just me on board.. jeff ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362660#362660 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/bungee_970.jpg ttp://forums.matronics.com//files/brake_207.jpg -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 06:15:40 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Brake anti-rotation
    Jeff, Will you be installing anything to prevent chafing of the bungee's on the fasteners? The bungees on NX18235 were being replaced annually (my least favorite job) until we installed a leather cuff to protect the bungees. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis -----Original Message----- From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sat, Jan 7, 2012 9:51 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brake anti-rotation <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> thanks gentleman... did some welding..here it is i had some 5/16 bungee around so i put 14 feet on each side just to check things out...easier to preload it won't move with just me on board.. jeff


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    Time: 06:39:42 PM PST US
    Subject: New Builder to the Piet Family
    From: "FandS_Piet" <fkim79@gmail.com>
    Hey Guys. I just wanted to peak in and say hello to all and thanks for the abundance of information on hear. My father and I have decided to build a Piet, the plans are ordered as well as some spruce. My father is actually in the middle of an Rv-8 build right now and when I went to the him with the idea of building a Piet together, he didnt know what a Piet was and after a days research, he got back to me and was all in putting the RV on the back burner. I am so excited to be able to do this with my dad and cant wait until the plans arrive in the mail Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362694#362694


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    Time: 07:02:07 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: New Builder to the Piet Family
    Well, as one who has built a Pietenpol and is currently building an RV-10, I can say you and your Dad will thoroughly enjoy the experience of building the Pietenpol. Don't get me wrong, Van's builds fine kits, but the experience of assembling (not BUILDING) a kit is simply not as rewarding as that of making every piece of the airplane yourself. With an RV, there is no time spent in looking at the plans and trying to figure out the best way to make the parts shown in what seems to be way too few drawings, nor is there any satisfaction of knowing that your airplane is not quite like any other. Once your Pietenpol is finished, you'll have the pleasure of seeing it draw crowds wherever you fly. I own an RV-4 (that I bought, not one I built myself) that I fly regularly. It never creates any curiosity at all, the way my Pietenpol does. RV stands for Ramp Vermin. They are fine airplanes, and truly do everything well, but there are an awful lot of them. They are becoming as ubiquitous as Cessnas. So welcome to the wonderful world of Pietenpols, and of building your own airplane from scratch. The people here are wonderful, and the airplanes are honest and interesting, and fly like what they are - a 1929 design. Plan to attend Brodhead this July, to see just how many variations on the type are possible. Truly no two are alike. Good Luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FandS_Piet Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 9:35 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Builder to the Piet Family Hey Guys. I just wanted to peak in and say hello to all and thanks for the abundance of information on hear. My father and I have decided to build a Piet, the plans are ordered as well as some spruce. My father is actually in the middle of an Rv-8 build right now and when I went to the him with the idea of building a Piet together, he didnt know what a Piet was and after a days research, he got back to me and was all in putting the RV on the back burner. I am so excited to be able to do this with my dad and cant wait until the plans arrive in the mail Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=362694#362694


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    Time: 09:10:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: center secting wing ribs
    From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
    Scott, There are probably a thousand different ways to do this, but I'll share with you the sequence I used to help get you thinking about it. First, attach the metal fitting to the CS spar pieces. Attach the CS spar pieces to the wing panels. I made up a "skeleton" stand to support the center. The wing panel ends were sitting on saw horses covered with carpet remnants. By the way, make sure the wing panels are squared up first by adjusting the drag/anti-drag cables accordingly. Essentially, you are using the wing panels as jigs to make sure everything fits together perfectly. Next, position and epoxy the ribs in place. You will have to chisel away small portions of the rib vertical truss members to clear the metal fittings. Next, scribe and cut plywood to fit the wing curve and epoxy in place. I only applied "butt-rib" plywood to the ribs in-between the spars. I sanded off all the rib gussets in this area then epoxied the plywood to the side of the rib, again, in-between the front and rear spars. Next, attach your leading and trailing edges. Sand and shape everything accordingly. Next, apply the bottom plywood skin. Now, you can remove wing panels (your jig) since the bottom skin will keep the CS square. You may want to go ahead and varnish those areas that will be difficult or next to impossible to varnish after applying the top plywood skin. Lastly, apply the top plywood skin and varnish the rest of the CS. I would reference the Tony Bingelis wood working book for how to glue up the plywood skins. Anyway, this is the general sequence I used. Oh, and I did not apply plywood to the butt ribs on the wing panels. I left them open and reinforced the bit ribs with scrap 1/2" by 1/2" spruce pieces. If you want, I can send you some photos off-line. Hope this helps. Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 2:19 PM, Scott Cutler <cutlertxs@comcast.net> wrote: > My 7th and 8th grade students have finally finished making the outboard > wing section ribs (3-piece wing, 26 ribs-needless to say, they are ready to > move on) to our AirCamper. We constructed the ribs with vertical support s > on the fore and aft sides of the front and rear spar locations. We don =92t > know how to support the spar locations on the ribs that form the butt joi nt > between the outer and center wing sections. Those locations are filled > with plywood, steel straps, and pulleys. Those of you that built a 3-pie ce > wing, how did you build those 4 butt ribs in the spar locations? Thanks, > Scott Cutler**** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Greg Bacon




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