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1. 03:53 AM - cad drawings for meatal fittings? (Matthijs de Groot)
2. 04:22 AM - Re: bungee chafing (Jerry Dotson)
3. 04:30 AM - Re: cad drawings for meatal fittings? (Jack Phillips)
4. 05:06 AM - Re: Re: bungee chafing (Gboothe5)
5. 05:11 AM - Re: Pittsburgh area poets (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 06:20 AM - Re: cad drawings for meatal fittings? (Frank Metcalfe)
7. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: Rib Jig idea? (Amsafetyc)
8. 06:36 AM - Re: Pittsburgh area poets (Amsafetyc)
9. 06:40 AM - Re: cad drawings for meatal fittings? (Frank Metcalfe)
10. 06:52 AM - Re: Rib Jig idea? (bender)
11. 07:01 AM - Operation Arrow fest Ends (Michael Perez)
12. 07:48 AM - Re: Rib Jig idea? (Bryan Reed)
13. 07:57 AM - Re: Rib Jig idea? (Ralph)
14. 08:13 AM - Re: Piet on eBay (Baldeagle)
15. 08:43 AM - N-Number, When to Apply? (Michael Perez)
16. 09:34 AM - Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (womenfly2)
17. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Michael Perez)
18. 10:27 AM - Re: Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Dave Nielsen)
19. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Michael Perez)
20. 11:36 AM - Re: Rib Jig idea? (kevinpurtee)
21. 11:42 AM - Re: cad drawings for meatal fittings? (Matthijs de Groot)
22. 02:06 PM - Re: Rib Jig idea? (Jack Phillips)
23. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: Rib Jig idea? (helspersew@aol.com)
24. 02:24 PM - Re: Rib Jig idea? (Dan Yocum)
25. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Jack Phillips)
26. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Ben Charvet)
27. 02:50 PM - Re: Rib Jig idea? (Jim Boyer)
28. 03:14 PM - Re: Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Michael Perez)
29. 03:24 PM - Re: Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Gene Rambo)
30. 03:46 PM - Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Bryan Reed)
31. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (helspersew@aol.com)
32. 03:54 PM - Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Bryan Reed)
33. 04:30 PM - Re: Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Michael Perez)
34. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Gene Rambo)
35. 05:45 PM - Re: N-Number, When to Apply? (Bryan Reed)
36. 06:06 PM - Lubbock flyer (skellytown flyer)
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| Subject: | cad drawings for meatal fittings? |
Hi im looking for cad drawings for the metal fittings (all of them).
So i can have some of them cut . any boddy?
Matthijs
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| Subject: | Re: bungee chafing |
Douwe,
I understand being ready to fly. I have to get hold of myself so I don't take
shortcuts. I am basically through building. Just sanding and finishing. I can
fly my brother's plane any time I want but I want to fly NX510JD ! I am having
trouble with little tiny gnats getting in my paint. Winter has been mild but
we did have a 19 degree morning 2 weeks ago. Any ideas.........
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | cad drawings for meatal fittings? |
Matthijs,
In general pre-cut metal fittings are not a great idea, since most of the
fittings need to be fit to your individual structure, and nearly every
Pietenpol is different to some degree. Even when building absolutely to the
plans, you still need to make the fittings to fit your aprticular airplane.
There are some fittings that can be done ahead, such as the drag wire and
anti-drag wire fittings within the wing, and other mostly flat parts, but
they are easily made by tracing the outline onto a piece of chome-moly steel
and cutting them out with a bandsaw. As I always tell any new builder, buy
the Tony Bingelis books if you want to learn how to make the fittings.
When cutting the parts out, be sure to allow a little extra material so you
can grind them down to a smooth final shape, with generous fillet radii in
all the internal corners to minimize stress concentrations.
As Mike Cuy points out in his videeo, it's a good idea to lengthen any
fitting that will hold a cable near the fabric to allow more room to insert
the clevis pin into the shackle. BHP didn't allow enough room on most of
his fittings.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthijs de
Groot
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 6:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cad drawings for meatal fittings?
Hi im looking for cad drawings for the metal fittings (all of them).
So i can have some of them cut . any boddy?
Matthijs
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| Subject: | Re: bungee chafing |
Jerry,
Leave the bugs and take pleasure in the fact that, when parts of your
Pietenpol emerge from the receding ice flow, researchers will be
conjecturing as to why 21st century airplane builders put insects in their
paint...
Gary from Cool
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Dotson
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 4:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bungee chafing
<jdotson@centurylink.net>
Douwe,
I understand being ready to fly. I have to get hold of myself so I don't
take shortcuts. I am basically through building. Just sanding and finishing.
I can fly my brother's plane any time I want but I want to fly NX510JD ! I
am having trouble with little tiny gnats getting in my paint. Winter has
been mild but we did have a 19 degree morning 2 weeks ago. Any
ideas.........
do not archive
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Pittsburgh area poets |
John,
You are the only poet we have on this list..........Knock'em dead at that i
nterview!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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-----Original Message-----
From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com>
Sent: Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:29 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pittsburgh area
Piets not poets
Do not archive
John
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On Jan 8, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
Hi all I'll be in Pittsburgh area tomorrow for the night interview Tuesday
orning. Any Piet's in the Butler area? Please contact me off list to set u
p a
isit
Thanks
John
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| Subject: | Re: cad drawings for meatal fittings? |
I have them ... I'll see if I can find them. We use cad drawing for templet
es to cut our parts. We were buliding 6 Piets so mass production payed off
. We printed them on lable paper and printed them., Just cut them out and s
tick them to your metal and cut them out. the process-worked well. I did
extend some of the fittings for clearance for bolts and fabric.I did find a
few pictures ..-
--- On Mon, 1/9/12, Matthijs de Groot <getijsem@zonnet.nl> wrote:
From: Matthijs de Groot <getijsem@zonnet.nl>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cad drawings for meatal fittings?
>
Hi im looking for cad drawings for the metal fittings (all of them). So i c
an have some of them cut . any boddy?
Matthijs
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Jig idea? |
Although you have received many answers and suggestions on the how's and whys of
building your Piet. You will come to learn as you continue your journey that
the Piet is less about the destination and more about process. One other amazing
thing that you'll come to realize is nearly everyone has entered the group
asking about modification in method and design questions espousing all sorts
of ideas.
Having done that myself I can attest to doing just that. All for building the best
Piet ever! As time goes on you will come to recognize that fact, you may revisit
your own thoughts and great writings as " What was I thinking moments?"
Much of the advice given here comes from experienced builders who have made their
own errors along the way and devised methods that work as a result of their
errors. They offer suggestions in hopes that you too can avoid those errors.
Please consider the sources of the information you receive. A few questions are
helpful:
Who is this guy and does he have a flying Piet?
Was it purchased or are you speaking with the or an actual builder?
How many operating hours on it?
How close to plans is it built?
By doing that you will come to learn who in the group gives good solid advice and
who is talking out of their ass with no experience.
If you want to know who those resources are contact me off list and I'll be glad
to share my experience with you.
As important as setting up your shop is to assemble your support group. We have
a number of educated engineers and award winning builders with many flight hours
elders if you will and willing to provide info and pics at your request use
them frequently and wisely.
Just my opinion and advice gained through my own novice stupidity. Don't argue
with success and don't disconcert the masses son!
John
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Sent from my iPhone
On Jan 8, 2012, at 8:32 PM, "FandS_Piet" <fkim79@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I respect your answers and that is why I asked the question. I figured this
is the response I would get. One thing I don't I dont understand though is while
this is a time saving proposition, how is this a shortcut that is looked at
so far looked at as disgraceful. Dont get me wrong I am asking the question
because I want the opinions of the those with the experience but I dont understand
how using a cnc machine to cut pieces allowing precision that cant be obtained
any other way is a disasterous shorcut. Im sure the rest of the response
will talk me down of the ledge.
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| Subject: | Re: Pittsburgh area poets |
Thanks Dan, thanks all.
Doin my best and shakin the bushes boss shakin the bushes!
John
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On Jan 9, 2012, at 8:08 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> John,
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> You are the only poet we have on this list..........Knock'em dead at that i
nterview!
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> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
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> From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sun, Jan 8, 2012 9:29 am
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pittsburgh area
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> On Jan 8, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com> wrote:
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ay
> morning. Any Piet's in the Butler area? Please contact me off list to set
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| Subject: | Re: cad drawings for meatal fittings? |
Found them ..... here is the aileron horn drawing. take a look and see if y
ou canuse them.
--- On Mon, 1/9/12, Matthijs de Groot <getijsem@zonnet.nl> wrote:
From: Matthijs de Groot <getijsem@zonnet.nl>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: cad drawings for meatal fittings?
>
Hi im looking for cad drawings for the metal fittings (all of them). So i c
an have some of them cut . any boddy?
Matthijs
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Jig idea? |
you guys would laugh at how simple my rib jig is...
scrap 1 by with the rib drawing on top held in place by clear contact paper..
1/2 blocks nailed in place to hold truss pieces..
K.I.S.S works for me...
1/2 hour to glue a rib for me..staples hold till the glue dries..
made 5 or 6 a day..
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l593/jfaithbass/IMG_20120109_093834.jpg
jeff
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| Subject: | Operation Arrow fest Ends |
I am back at work and can say that I did not meet my original goal of havin
g the tail pieces covered, painted and ready to fly. However, I did make gr
eat progress and am 90% to that original goal.- I still need to cover one
side of the horiz. stab. and paint it. I am currently working on the insig
nia/paint on the second side of the rudder/vert. stab.
As a bonus, I did get one aileron covered and am currently painting it. Ail
erons were not in the original plan, but I fit one in anyway.
The covering, taping, stitching process came very easy to me and it was fun
to do. These were things I have never done before so it was nice to pick u
p some new skills.- The pieces I have completed so far meet my expectatio
ns and have the look I was after.-
All in all a GREAT build fest...thanks mostly to my wife, who allowed me al
l the time I wanted to do so.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Jig idea? |
Bender,
Speaking from experience, as I once walked past a gentleman that saw a picture
of a rib jig, I can with confidence state. Your jig could not possibly work
as it uses ugly wood for blocks and when I measure (on my screen) the dimensions
are way off.
Further advise is always available from myself on Piet building as I am nearly
15% done with mine.
Se ya,
Bryan
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Working Piet N5289B
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Jig idea? |
I=99m not sure where my approach leaves me in the Pietenpol
community but here are my thoughts. After buying my plans about 20
years ago, I happened on to Charlie Rubek and a set of his ribs at
Brodhead. Being a fiscally conservative (tight) individual I thought
that investing in a set of ribs would commit me to continuing with the
project. It worked. I=99ve haven=99t finished yet but am
still building with the goal of completion. I do not feel I have missed
out on anything because I didn=99t build my own ribs. I did build
my own nose and tail ribs for the center section using one of
Charlie=99s for a pattern. I also had an I.A. weld up my motor
mount rather than trying to become proficient myself. I had the local
machine shop cut out the centers and install brass bushings in
motorcycle wheels for the landing gear. No matter what =9Cshort
cuts=9D you might take it will still be =9Cyour=9D
airplane and there will be no question of whether or not you meet the
=9C51% rule=9D. Good luck and happy building and
here=99s hope for a speedier completion than myself.
I have just moved my fuselage on gear into a modified garage and
attached the wings and drilled the struts yesterday. Learn how to use
the archives for information. I used it to determine dihedral and
washout just yesterday. Dihedral, none to three inches. Washout, none
to 1.5 inches. Okay, you won=99t always get a single exact answer
but like your rib question you can find out what others have and done
and what worked for them.
Ralph in South Dakota
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| Subject: | Re: Piet on eBay |
Buyer is Dewey Davenport who has a private strip near Dayton, Ohio.
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| Subject: | N-Number, When to Apply? |
Crew, I would like to paint on my N number to the rudder. I have had my N n
umber reserved for a few years now, but have not registered said number.-
Any harm painting tail numbers now, or is it a little premature?- I know
if I fail to renew my reservation, I can loose it, but aside from that, an
y issues doing it soon?
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number, When to Apply? |
As long as its still active, go ahead. Its officially an airplane with an N-number!
... I just would not have it Tattooed across your chest!
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number, When to Apply? |
Thanks for the input. I want to finish painting the rudder/vert. stab. and feel
like if I don't apply the N number, they're not finished! But, I don't want to
jump the gun, so to speak, either.
So I should axe the tattoo idea? Bummer...that would have been my first!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number, When to Apply? |
The Faa says: THIS REGISTRATION NUMBER IS RESERVED IN YOUR NAME. IT IS NOT
ASSIGNED TO AN AIRCRAFT AND MAY NOT BE PAINTED ON AN AIRCRAFT UNTIL AUTHORI
ZATION IS RECEIVED FROM THIS OFFICE
"Bat Cave" Dave
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From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N-Number, When to Apply?
Thanks for the input. I want to finish painting the rudder/vert. stab. and
feel like if I don't apply the N number, they're not finished! But, I don't
want to jump the gun, so to speak, either.
So I should axe the tattoo idea? Bummer...that would have been my first!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: N-Number, When to Apply? |
Thanks Dave. I vaguely remember seeing that somewhere now...probably on my
reservation papers at home.- I'll wait on the numbers...moving on...
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Jig idea? |
Who can resist a comment on something as universal as the rib jib?
You can get your friend to cut out 29 identical jigs and then you can have the
ribs done in two days! You'd also avoid the hassle with gluey jigs!
Buying ribs done would be quick, too. The 15 second build.
'course don't listen to me, I don't even know how to spell Pete-n-Paul...
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(Sorry. Build your jig like Tony Bingelis tells you, get your capstrips cut somehow,
and start gluing. You're not going to save years with clever ways to build,
you're going to save years by getting your butt in the workshop and building.)
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: cad drawings for meatal fittings? |
that would help a lot thanx.
On Jan 9, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Frank Metcalfe wrote:
> I have them ... I'll see if I can find them. We use cad drawing for
> templetes to cut our parts. We were buliding 6 Piets so mass
> production payed off . We printed them on lable paper and printed
> them., Just cut them out and stick them to your metal and cut them
> out. the process worked well. I did extend some of the fittings for
> clearance for bolts and fabric.I did find a few pictures ..
>
> --- On Mon, 1/9/12, Matthijs de Groot <getijsem@zonnet.nl> wrote:
>
> From: Matthijs de Groot <getijsem@zonnet.nl>
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: cad drawings for meatal fittings?
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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Nothing wrong with purchasing components rather than building them. Mike
Cuy won a Lindy Award at OSH doing just that. His ribs were made by Charlie
Rubeck as well, and his fuselage was built in North Carolina. It's still
"his" airplane.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Jig idea?
I'm not sure where my approach leaves me in the Pietenpol community but here
are my thoughts. After buying my plans about 20 years ago, I happened on
to Charlie Rubek and a set of his ribs at Brodhead. Being a fiscally
conservative (tight) individual I thought that investing in a set of ribs
would commit me to continuing with the project. It worked. I've haven't
finished yet but am still building with the goal of completion. I do not
feel I have missed out on anything because I didn't build my own ribs. I
did build my own nose and tail ribs for the center section using one of
Charlie's for a pattern. I also had an I.A. weld up my motor mount rather
than trying to become proficient myself. I had the local machine shop cut
out the centers and install brass bushings in motorcycle wheels for the
landing gear. No matter what "short cuts" you might take it will still be
"your" airplane and there will be no question of whether or not you meet the
"51% rule". Good luck and happy building and here's hope for a speedier
completion than myself.
I have just moved my fuselage on gear into a modified garage and attached
the wings and drilled the struts yesterday. Learn how to use the archives
for information. I used it to determine dihedral and washout just
yesterday. Dihedral, none to three inches. Washout, none to 1.5 inches.
Okay, you won't always get a single exact answer but like your rib question
you can find out what others have and done and what worked for them.
Ralph in South Dakota
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Hey Jeff,
What ever works. My rib jig is not something to envy, copy or otherwise. It
did not survive a year past its useful life, as I re-used the plywood base
for something else (can't remember what). It barely survived the rib-buil
ding era.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 8:52 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib Jig idea?
>
you guys would laugh at how simple my rib jig is...
crap 1 by with the rib drawing on top held in place by clear contact paper.
.
/2 blocks nailed in place to hold truss pieces..
K.I.S.S works for me...
/2 hour to glue a rib for me..staples hold till the glue dries..
ade 5 or 6 a day..
http://i1125.photobucket.com/albums/l593/jfaithbass/IMG_20120109_093834.jpg
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Excellent news on your build, Ralph! Keep it up!
I still haven't used your pictures to build skis for N8031. Of course,
there hasn't been any snow to ski on, either. But, I did take her
flying on Saturday for a short, cold jaunt, just to knock the rust off
my skills. I only bounced it once on landing.
Cheers!
Dan
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On 01/09/2012 09:53 AM, Ralph wrote:
> Im not sure where my approach leaves me in the Pietenpol community but
> here are my thoughts. After buying my plans about 20 years ago, I
> happened on to Charlie Rubek and a set of his ribs at Brodhead. Being a
> fiscally conservative (tight) individual I thought that investing in a
> set of ribs would commit me to continuing with the project. It worked.
> Ive havent finished yet but am still building with the goal of
> completion. I do not feel I have missed out on anything because I didnt
> build my own ribs. I did build my own nose and tail ribs for the center
> section using one of Charlies for a pattern. I also had an I.A. weld up
> my motor mount rather than trying to become proficient myself. I had the
> local machine shop cut out the centers and install brass bushings in
> motorcycle wheels for the landing gear. No matter what short cuts you
> might take it will still be your airplane and there will be no
> question of whether or not you meet the 51% rule. Good luck and happy
> building and heres hope for a speedier completion than myself.
> I have just moved my fuselage on gear into a modified garage and
> attached the wings and drilled the struts yesterday. Learn how to use
> the archives for information. I used it to determine dihedral and
> washout just yesterday. Dihedral, none to three inches. Washout, none to
> 1.5 inches. Okay, you wont always get a single exact answer but like
> your rib question you can find out what others have and done and what
> worked for them.
> Ralph in South Dakota
>
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But it's not "An Aircraft" until it has an airworthiness certificate. For
all the FAA nows, it might be a planter box for a vegetable garden, that
happens to look like an airplane.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Nielsen
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2012 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N-Number, When to Apply?
The Faa says: THIS REGISTRATION NUMBER IS RESERVED IN YOUR NAME. IT IS NOT
ASSIGNED TO AN AIRCRAFT AND MAY NOT BE PAINTED ON AN AIRCRAFT UNTIL
AUTHORIZATION IS RECEIVED FROM THIS OFFICE
"Bat Cave" Dave
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From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 1:03 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N-Number, When to Apply?
Thanks for the input. I want to finish painting the rudder/vert. stab. and
feel like if I don't apply the N number, they're not finished! But, I don't
want to jump the gun, so to speak, either.
So I should axe the tattoo idea? Bummer...that would have been my first!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
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I would recommend going ahead and getting your registration early. In
Florida as soon as you get your registration they will want you to pay
your sales tax. That would be the tax on anything you didn't buy in-
state, like your Aircraft Spruce purchases, etc. They don't care what
you buy AFTER you register it, so by registering early, you might avoid
some sales tax.
Ben Charvet
On 1/9/2012 2:01 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Thanks Dave. I vaguely remember seeing that somewhere now...probably
> on my reservation papers at home. I'll wait on the numbers...moving on...
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | Re: Rib Jig idea? |
Ralph said;
"I have just moved my fuselage on gear into a modified garage and attached
the wings and drilled the struts yesterday.=C2- Learn how to use the arch
ives for information.=C2- I used it to determine dihedral and washout jus
t yesterday.=C2- Dihedral, none to three inches.=C2- Washout, none to 1
.5 inches.=C2- Okay, you won=99t always get a single exact answer b
ut like your rib question you can find out what others have and done and wh
at worked for them."
Hey Ralph sounds like you are doing very well. Doesn't make much difference
when you started its where you are in the process! If I get a chance to co
me to Watertown this year I will definitely drive over to Raymond to see yo
ur project and bring pictures of mine.
Cheers,
Jim B. (also from South Dakota a while ago)
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That is interesting Ben. The FAA recommends that you submit the registratio
n form , I believe, 90 to 120 days prior to aircraft completion.- No ment
ion on doing it sooner.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Well=2C mine has been registered for over 10 years and they don't seem to h
ave any heartburn over it. Register it=2C keep it up=2C it is not an airpl
ane until you have an airworthiness=2C so no legal issues. Too much worrin
g over a non-issue. Gene do not archive
Date: Mon=2C 9 Jan 2012 15:12:21 -0800
From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N-Number=2C When to Apply?
That is interesting Ben. The FAA recommends that you submit the registratio
n form =2C I believe=2C 90 to 120 days prior to aircraft completion. No me
ntion on doing it sooner.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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I have attached the letter I recently received with my N-number reservation. The
way I read it is I have the N-number reserved but I can send in a request (and
$10) to the Civil Aviation Registry describing the aircraft by manufacturer,
model and serial number and have it assigned to the aircraft.
It does not mention "Airworthiness Certification". I am interpreting that to
mean they will assign the N-number to the aircraft. You then, can send in the
"Airworthiness certification" when you finish and and obtain it from your D.A.R.
Please read the attached and let me know what your thoughts are.
Bryan
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While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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Hi Gene,
Painting yet?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2012 5:24 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: N-Number, When to Apply?
Well, mine has been registered for over 10 years and they don't seem to hav
e any heartburn over it. Register it, keep it up, it is not an airplane un
til you have an airworthiness, so no legal issues. Too much worring over a
non-issue.
Gene
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From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: N-Number, When to Apply?
That is interesting Ben. The FAA recommends that you submit the registratio
n form , I believe, 90 to 120 days prior to aircraft completion. No mentio
n on doing it sooner.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Try again as the attachment didn't go out.
Bryan
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Bryan, that is the same general letter I received with my reservation as we
ll.- Registration and airworthy certification are two different animals.
- I have Advisory Circular 20-27F; section 8 covers the steps to register
the plane.
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I guess my question now is - how early is too early to register a home buil
t that is not finished?- I may take Gene's advice and do it now.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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If you finish the airplane and the DAR comes and looks at it and gives you
an airworthiness=2C he will say "what? You don't have it registered? Well
=2C you cannot fly it until you do!" and you will be scrambling to beg the
FAA to fax a finalized registration on an expedited basis. Register it fir
st=2C have it ready. do not archive
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: N-Number=2C When to Apply?
> From: reed44@gmail.com
> Date: Mon=2C 9 Jan 2012 15:44:17 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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>
> I have attached the letter I recently received with my N-number reservati
on. The way I read it is I have the N-number reserved but I can send in a r
equest (and $10) to the Civil Aviation Registry describing the aircraft by
manufacturer=2C model and serial number and have it assigned to the aircraf
t.
> It does not mention "Airworthiness Certification". I am interpreting th
at to mean they will assign the N-number to the aircraft. You then=2C can s
end in the "Airworthiness certification" when you finish and and obtain it
from your D.A.R.
> Please read the attached and let me know what your thoughts are.
>
> Bryan
>
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> Working Piet N5289B
>
> While I may not always be right=2C I apologize well.
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Thanks for the info. I think I will go ahead and send in to have it applied to
the plane. Work schedule and God willing, I would like to be in the air by the
end of the year.
Thanks,
Bryan
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anyone know of a fellow by the name of Seversen Haugen in Lubbock? a friend told
me there was a Piet registered to him there. I have not seen that name on the
site- just wondering- i's not that far from here. Raymond do not archive
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