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1. 04:24 AM - Re: nice day (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:30 AM - Re: nice day (Greg Bacon)
3. 04:31 AM - Re: nice day (Ryan Mueller)
4. 05:26 AM - Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions (899PM)
5. 06:01 AM - jury strut help for Ralph (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
6. 06:20 AM - Re: jury strut help for Ralph (Michael Perez)
7. 06:49 AM - thanks (Ralph)
8. 07:13 AM - Re: thanks (jarheadpilot82)
9. 08:00 AM - Peeps Pietenpol Model (Michael Perez)
10. 08:25 AM - Re: Bungee gear versus springs (Woodflier@aol.com)
11. 09:13 AM - Re: nice day (Dick N)
12. 09:51 AM - Re: Bungee gear versus springs (kevinpurtee)
13. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Bungee gear versus springs (John Hofmann)
14. 11:06 AM - Re: Bungee gear versus springs (jarheadpilot82)
15. 11:15 AM - Re: Bungee gear versus springs (Bill Church)
16. 12:09 PM - Re: Bungee gear versus springs (kevinpurtee)
17. 12:39 PM - FOR SALE (PROJECT) (bcolleran)
18. 01:22 PM - Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) (Barry Davis)
19. 02:20 PM - Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
20. 03:20 PM - Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) (Michael Perez)
21. 03:34 PM - Re: Peeps Pietenpol Model (C N Campbell)
22. 04:37 PM - Re: Peeps Pietenpol Model (Michael Perez)
23. 07:33 PM - Paint scheme preview (BYD)
24. 07:42 PM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Dick N)
25. 07:47 PM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Jim Boyer)
26. 08:00 PM - Re: Peeps Pietenpol Model (aerocarjake)
27. 08:06 PM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Gboothe5)
28. 09:15 PM - West Coast get-together (Oscar Zuniga)
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Hi Dick,
I have never actually heard of anyone getting ramp checked until your post.
I wonder how rare this actually is. Anybody else have any anecdotal inform
ation concerning this subject?
Seems really odd that he showed-up just out of the blue. Were you the only
one flying that day? If others were flying, did he go after them too? Just
curious.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net>
Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:33 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: nice day
It was a beautiful day in Minneapolis today and I decided to go fly, I was
out for 1.5 hourd and not cold at all. When I got back to my hangar I shut
the plane down and a car pulled up and I thought here is another curious p
erson. The man got and walked over and showed me his I.D. card and said I'
m with the FAA and this is a ramp inspection. He asked for my pilots lisc
ence , medical card ( told him I was sport pilot he accepted that immediatl
y ) registration, operating limitations, airworthiness, Luckily I had al
l of that and he was on his way .
I'm at a small country airport, they can be anywhere.
Dick N.
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Dick,
Glad everything worked out for you. Underscores the importance of having
all your ducks in a row. You never know.....
Greg Bacon
On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> **
> It was a beautiful day in Minneapolis today and I decided to go fly, I was
> out for 1.5 hourd and not cold at all. When I got back to my hangar I shut
> the plane down and a car pulled up and I thought here is another curious
> person. The man got and walked over and showed me his I.D. card and said
> I'm with the FAA and this is a ramp inspection. He asked for my pilots
> liscence , medical card ( told him I was sport pilot he accepted that
> immediatly ) registration, operating limitations, airworthiness, Luckily
> I had all of that and he was on his way .
> I'm at a small country airport, they can be anywhere.
>
> Dick N.
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>
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Greg Bacon
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It's unseasonably nice weather in MN, Barney Fife was itching to get out of
the office... :)
Ryan
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On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:21 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Dick,
>
> I have never actually heard of anyone getting ramp checked until your
> post. I wonder how rare this actually is. Anybody else have any anecdotal
> information concerning this subject?
> Seems really odd that he showed-up just out of the blue. Were you the only
> one flying that day? If others were flying, did he go after them too? Just
> curious.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:33 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: nice day
>
> It was a beautiful day in Minneapolis today and I decided to go fly, I
> was out for 1.5 hourd and not cold at all. When I got back to my hangar I
> shut the plane down and a car pulled up and I thought here is another
> curious person. The man got and walked over and showed me his I.D. card
> and said I'm with the FAA and this is a ramp inspection. He asked for my
> pilots liscence , medical card ( told him I was sport pilot he accepted
> that immediatly ) registration, operating limitations, airworthiness,
> Luckily I had all of that and he was on his way .
> I'm at a small country airport, they can be anywhere.
>
> Dick N.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions |
Make SURE you widen out (fore & aft) both the upper and lower attach points for
this gear to eliminate tube contact when the gear "gives". I had to dent one
of my tubes for clearance.
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| Subject: | jury strut help for Ralph |
I'm glad that Jack Phillips, myself, and Mike Perez were able to help answe
r your questions Ralph.
That is what the list is about, not to puff up or degrade anyone's words or
efforts. I'm all about keeping
the list very positive like it used to be.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: jury strut help for Ralph |
"...keeping the list very positive like it used to be."
I look forward to that as well Mike.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Thanks to all who responded to my jury strut questions. One more
question. Is there an easy way to access the photos and attachments
that get stripped off of the daily digest version of the forum?
Ralph
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The best way I have found is to use the following link, and create a bookmark in
your browser. Then all you have to do is click on the bookmark and it will take
you to the forum where you can find the opting you are interested in and download
any pictures, files, etc. from there.
If you need help with bookmarking, contact me off-list and I would be glad to help
you.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Peeps Pietenpol Model |
Here are two Pietenpols my peeps made from K-Nex. I am impressed with how they
turned out. Complete with radial engines!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
As cool as they are, DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee gear versus springs |
Mark, my plans included BHP's cub-style split axle gear, which use bungees
in tension for shock absorption. The shock struts attach at the apex of the
gear "V" down by the wheel, and go diagonally up to the opposite landing
gear/flying strut fitting on the fuselage. If you look at the Cub and other
later airplanes with this type gear, they have a solid "V" between the
gear, and the shock struts attached to the apex of that fixed "V" Go look at
any J-3 Cub to see what I mean.
My point on this is that the angle between the gear "V" and the shock strut
is pretty small on BHP's design. If the cables limiting the travel of the
shock strut are a bit too long, the gear can go 'over center' with a hard
landing, or in my case, a tight turn on the ground heavily loaded. If that
happens, the gear collapses. I have a nice CloudCars wood prop, with 40
hours on it, and 4 inches off the tips to show the result. So, if you do the
bungee shocks, look at adding in that center "V" on the shock strut system.
Go look at a Cub and you'll be pretty close to what you need for the Piet.
I fixed my bungee struts with a shortened limit cable, and by doubling up
the bungee wraps. In 60 hours since the problem, they've worked fine, but I
worry a bit when I have a passenger and a full load of gas.
The other option is to go with the die spring struts, which provide shock
absorption in compression rather than tension. There are drawings on the
list-serve for this design. Replacing my bungee struts with the spring struts
is my winter-time project.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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The airport was fairly busy with small planes and yes he went from one
to another. I will repeat he was completely proffesional and when I
produced the documents he was gone to check someone else.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:21 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nice day
Hi Dick,
I have never actually heard of anyone getting ramp checked until your
post. I wonder how rare this actually is. Anybody else have any
anecdotal information concerning this subject?
Seems really odd that he showed-up just out of the blue. Were you the
only one flying that day? If others were flying, did he go after them
too? Just curious.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net>
To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:33 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: nice day
It was a beautiful day in Minneapolis today and I decided to go fly, I
was out for 1.5 hourd and not cold at all. When I got back to my hangar
I shut the plane down and a car pulled up and I thought here is another
curious person. The man got and walked over and showed me his I.D. card
and said I'm with the FAA and this is a ramp inspection. He asked for
my pilots liscence , medical card ( told him I was sport pilot he
accepted that immediatly ) registration, operating limitations,
airworthiness, Luckily I had all of that and he was on his way .
I'm at a small country airport, they can be anywhere.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee gear versus springs |
I changed my bungees to springs. One of the bungees failed after several landings
following the 2010 Brodhead landing debacle. The safety cable prevented major
damage and we did a field expedient repair to get home.
The spring design allows you to rely on steel instead of rubber. I used Hans van
der Voort's design. It took me a weekend to make the change.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee gear versus springs |
Kevin,
Do you find the landing gear more "bouncy" since the change to springs
or do you notice any difference at all?
-john-
John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jan 11, 2012, at 11:47 AM, kevinpurtee wrote:
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
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> I changed my bungees to springs. One of the bungees failed after
several landings following the 2010 Brodhead landing debacle. The
safety cable prevented major damage and we did a field expedient repair
to get home.
>
> The spring design allows you to rely on steel instead of rubber. I
used Hans van der Voort's design. It took me a weekend to make the
change.
>
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee gear versus springs |
Kevin,
Would you mind sharing those plans, or at least a picture of your new gear struts?
i have searched the archives and did not see them.
I appreciate your help, Thanks in advance.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee gear versus springs |
Several years ago, Hans posted a copy of his LG spring plans at mykitplane.com,
here:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=75
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Bungee gear versus springs |
Thanks, Bill. There you go, Terry.
@John - I noticed more bounce initially when taxiing but I got used to it and there
was no adverse impact. Takeoffs and landings feel the same.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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| Subject: | FOR SALE (PROJECT) |
Hey guys and girls. My son is due any day now and I have lost interest in my piet
project. Currently as it sits I have the airframe Wood only 90% done. The
turtle deck and panels need to be installed. I have the panels cut out. I
have the spars and all the wood to complete the ribs. I will include the plans
too. I bought the wood kit from aircraft spruce. The project has been sitting
for about a year now. All joints were glued with t-88. I hate to see it
go but I know it will be better served with someone else. I am asking $1,200
for everything. If you are interested and would like to see some pictures please
feel free to call me at 412-874-7726 or email me at bcolleran@comcast.net
Thanks,
Bill
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| Subject: | FOR SALE (PROJECT) |
What part of the world is this project located?
bed
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: FOR SALE (PROJECT)
--> <bcolleran@comcast.net>
Hey guys and girls. My son is due any day now and I have lost interest in
my piet project. Currently as it sits I have the airframe Wood only 90%
done. The turtle deck and panels need to be installed. I have the panels
cut out. I have the spars and all the wood to complete the ribs. I will
include the plans too. I bought the wood kit from aircraft spruce. The
project has been sitting for about a year now. All joints were glued with
t-88. I hate to see it go but I know it will be better served with someone
else. I am asking $1,200 for everything. If you are interested and would
like to see some pictures please feel free to call me at 412-874-7726 or
email me at bcolleran@comcast.net
Thanks,
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) |
Just a guess, but the 412 area code puts it in Western Pa., Pittsburgh
area.
John
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| Subject: | Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) |
Bill, I can appreciate having higher priorities then building a plane. I am
sure this was not an easy decision to come to and I bet you have been wres
tling with it for quite some time.
-
If I may...if your situation allows, put off selling until after your son a
rrives. Wait for your world to stop spinning and see if the itch comes back
.
-
Hate to see a project go, but as you said, it will help others along that a
re in the works.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Peeps Pietenpol Model |
I never saw a 4-blade prop on an Pietenpol before :>) Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peeps Pietenpol Model
Here are two Pietenpols my peeps made from K-Nex. I am impressed
with how they turned out. Complete with radial engines!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
As cool as they are, DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Peeps Pietenpol Model |
Guns too...they like to modify like me!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Wed, 1/11/12, C N Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net> wrote:
From: C N Campbell <cncampbell@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peeps Pietenpol Model
I never saw a 4-blade prop on an Pietenpol before :>)- Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:58 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peeps Pietenpol Model
Here are two Pietenpols my peeps made from K-Nex. I am impressed with how t
hey turned out. Complete with radial engines!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
As cool as they are, DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Paint scheme preview |
Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the Piet at
the airport with all the major pieces in formation.
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| Subject: | Re: Paint scheme preview |
Nice looking Piet. Are those Harley Davidson front wheels?
Dick N
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From: "BYD" <billsayre@ymail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:30 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview
>
> Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the
> Piet at the airport with all the major pieces in formation.
>
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| Subject: | Re: Paint scheme preview |
Nice looking Piet Bill; Congratulations.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Peeps Pietenpol Model |
A Pieten-pair made out of sticks...... Just like the real thing.... Coooool....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Paint scheme preview |
Classic! Looks great, Bill!
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Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview
Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the Piet
at the airport with all the major pieces in formation.
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363123#363123
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| Subject: | West Coast get-together |
Sorry if this is a repeat, but has a date been set for the
West Coast Piet get-together? I seem to remember that it
would be held at some lake or the other but I can't remember
where or when. You have to remember that I'm 60 years old
now and things get lost easily and quickly in the recesses of
my brain.
I still don't have Scout up here but am going to try to fly
the airplane up to Oregon sometime in the spring, thus the
reason for my inquiry. It might all play into a workable
schedule.
In an ideal world, we would have Jim Markle up in northern
California at the same time as the get-together and could
enjoy his company, too.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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