---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 01/11/12: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:24 AM - Re: nice day (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:30 AM - Re: nice day (Greg Bacon) 3. 04:31 AM - Re: nice day (Ryan Mueller) 4. 05:26 AM - Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions (899PM) 5. 06:01 AM - jury strut help for Ralph (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 6. 06:20 AM - Re: jury strut help for Ralph (Michael Perez) 7. 06:49 AM - thanks (Ralph) 8. 07:13 AM - Re: thanks (jarheadpilot82) 9. 08:00 AM - Peeps Pietenpol Model (Michael Perez) 10. 08:25 AM - Re: Bungee gear versus springs (Woodflier@aol.com) 11. 09:13 AM - Re: nice day (Dick N) 12. 09:51 AM - Re: Bungee gear versus springs (kevinpurtee) 13. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: Bungee gear versus springs (John Hofmann) 14. 11:06 AM - Re: Bungee gear versus springs (jarheadpilot82) 15. 11:15 AM - Re: Bungee gear versus springs (Bill Church) 16. 12:09 PM - Re: Bungee gear versus springs (kevinpurtee) 17. 12:39 PM - FOR SALE (PROJECT) (bcolleran) 18. 01:22 PM - Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) (Barry Davis) 19. 02:20 PM - Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 20. 03:20 PM - Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) (Michael Perez) 21. 03:34 PM - Re: Peeps Pietenpol Model (C N Campbell) 22. 04:37 PM - Re: Peeps Pietenpol Model (Michael Perez) 23. 07:33 PM - Paint scheme preview (BYD) 24. 07:42 PM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Dick N) 25. 07:47 PM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Jim Boyer) 26. 08:00 PM - Re: Peeps Pietenpol Model (aerocarjake) 27. 08:06 PM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Gboothe5) 28. 09:15 PM - West Coast get-together (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nice day From: helspersew@aol.com Hi Dick, I have never actually heard of anyone getting ramp checked until your post. I wonder how rare this actually is. Anybody else have any anecdotal inform ation concerning this subject? Seems really odd that he showed-up just out of the blue. Were you the only one flying that day? If others were flying, did he go after them too? Just curious. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Dick N Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:33 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: nice day It was a beautiful day in Minneapolis today and I decided to go fly, I was out for 1.5 hourd and not cold at all. When I got back to my hangar I shut the plane down and a car pulled up and I thought here is another curious p erson. The man got and walked over and showed me his I.D. card and said I' m with the FAA and this is a ramp inspection. He asked for my pilots lisc ence , medical card ( told him I was sport pilot he accepted that immediatl y ) registration, operating limitations, airworthiness, Luckily I had al l of that and he was on his way . I'm at a small country airport, they can be anywhere. Dick N. -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:30:57 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nice day From: Greg Bacon Dick, Glad everything worked out for you. Underscores the importance of having all your ducks in a row. You never know..... Greg Bacon On Tue, Jan 10, 2012 at 7:28 PM, Dick N wrote: > ** > It was a beautiful day in Minneapolis today and I decided to go fly, I was > out for 1.5 hourd and not cold at all. When I got back to my hangar I shut > the plane down and a car pulled up and I thought here is another curious > person. The man got and walked over and showed me his I.D. card and said > I'm with the FAA and this is a ramp inspection. He asked for my pilots > liscence , medical card ( told him I was sport pilot he accepted that > immediatly ) registration, operating limitations, airworthiness, Luckily > I had all of that and he was on his way . > I'm at a small country airport, they can be anywhere. > > Dick N. > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:31:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nice day From: Ryan Mueller It's unseasonably nice weather in MN, Barney Fife was itching to get out of the office... :) Ryan do not archive On Wed, Jan 11, 2012 at 6:21 AM, wrote: > Hi Dick, > > I have never actually heard of anyone getting ramp checked until your > post. I wonder how rare this actually is. Anybody else have any anecdotal > information concerning this subject? > Seems really odd that he showed-up just out of the blue. Were you the only > one flying that day? If others were flying, did he go after them too? Just > curious. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dick N > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:33 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: nice day > > It was a beautiful day in Minneapolis today and I decided to go fly, I > was out for 1.5 hourd and not cold at all. When I got back to my hangar I > shut the plane down and a car pulled up and I thought here is another > curious person. The man got and walked over and showed me his I.D. card > and said I'm with the FAA and this is a ramp inspection. He asked for my > pilots liscence , medical card ( told him I was sport pilot he accepted > that immediatly ) registration, operating limitations, airworthiness, > Luckily I had all of that and he was on his way . > I'm at a small country airport, they can be anywhere. > > Dick N. > > * > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions From: "899PM" Make SURE you widen out (fore & aft) both the upper and lower attach points for this gear to eliminate tube contact when the gear "gives". I had to dent one of my tubes for clearance. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363038#363038 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:01:29 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: jury strut help for Ralph I'm glad that Jack Phillips, myself, and Mike Perez were able to help answe r your questions Ralph. That is what the list is about, not to puff up or degrade anyone's words or efforts. I'm all about keeping the list very positive like it used to be. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:26 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: jury strut help for Ralph "...keeping the list very positive like it used to be." I look forward to that as well Mike. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:31 AM PST US From: "Ralph" Subject: Pietenpol-List: thanks Thanks to all who responded to my jury strut questions. One more question. Is there an easy way to access the photos and attachments that get stripped off of the daily digest version of the forum? Ralph ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: thanks From: "jarheadpilot82" The best way I have found is to use the following link, and create a bookmark in your browser. Then all you have to do is click on the bookmark and it will take you to the forum where you can find the opting you are interested in and download any pictures, files, etc. from there. If you need help with bookmarking, contact me off-list and I would be glad to help you. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363059#363059 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:51 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peeps Pietenpol Model Here are two Pietenpols my peeps made from K-Nex. I am impressed with how they turned out. Complete with radial engines! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com As cool as they are, DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:25:21 AM PST US From: Woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bungee gear versus springs Mark, my plans included BHP's cub-style split axle gear, which use bungees in tension for shock absorption. The shock struts attach at the apex of the gear "V" down by the wheel, and go diagonally up to the opposite landing gear/flying strut fitting on the fuselage. If you look at the Cub and other later airplanes with this type gear, they have a solid "V" between the gear, and the shock struts attached to the apex of that fixed "V" Go look at any J-3 Cub to see what I mean. My point on this is that the angle between the gear "V" and the shock strut is pretty small on BHP's design. If the cables limiting the travel of the shock strut are a bit too long, the gear can go 'over center' with a hard landing, or in my case, a tight turn on the ground heavily loaded. If that happens, the gear collapses. I have a nice CloudCars wood prop, with 40 hours on it, and 4 inches off the tips to show the result. So, if you do the bungee shocks, look at adding in that center "V" on the shock strut system. Go look at a Cub and you'll be pretty close to what you need for the Piet. I fixed my bungee struts with a shortened limit cable, and by doubling up the bungee wraps. In 60 hours since the problem, they've worked fine, but I worry a bit when I have a passenger and a full load of gas. The other option is to go with the die spring struts, which provide shock absorption in compression rather than tension. There are drawings on the list-serve for this design. Replacing my bungee struts with the spring struts is my winter-time project. Matt Paxton NX629ML ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:30 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nice day The airport was fairly busy with small planes and yes he went from one to another. I will repeat he was completely proffesional and when I produced the documents he was gone to check someone else. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 6:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nice day Hi Dick, I have never actually heard of anyone getting ramp checked until your post. I wonder how rare this actually is. Anybody else have any anecdotal information concerning this subject? Seems really odd that he showed-up just out of the blue. Were you the only one flying that day? If others were flying, did he go after them too? Just curious. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Dick N To: pietenpol-list Sent: Tue, Jan 10, 2012 7:33 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: nice day It was a beautiful day in Minneapolis today and I decided to go fly, I was out for 1.5 hourd and not cold at all. When I got back to my hangar I shut the plane down and a car pulled up and I thought here is another curious person. The man got and walked over and showed me his I.D. card and said I'm with the FAA and this is a ramp inspection. He asked for my pilots liscence , medical card ( told him I was sport pilot he accepted that immediatly ) registration, operating limitations, airworthiness, Luckily I had all of that and he was on his way . I'm at a small country airport, they can be anywhere. Dick N. " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bungee gear versus springs From: "kevinpurtee" I changed my bungees to springs. One of the bungees failed after several landings following the 2010 Brodhead landing debacle. The safety cable prevented major damage and we did a field expedient repair to get home. The spring design allows you to rely on steel instead of rubber. I used Hans van der Voort's design. It took me a weekend to make the change. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363082#363082 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:09:00 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bungee gear versus springs Kevin, Do you find the landing gear more "bouncy" since the change to springs or do you notice any difference at all? -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Jan 11, 2012, at 11:47 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > > I changed my bungees to springs. One of the bungees failed after several landings following the 2010 Brodhead landing debacle. The safety cable prevented major damage and we did a field expedient repair to get home. > > The spring design allows you to rely on steel instead of rubber. I used Hans van der Voort's design. It took me a weekend to make the change. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363082#363082 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bungee gear versus springs From: "jarheadpilot82" Kevin, Would you mind sharing those plans, or at least a picture of your new gear struts? i have searched the archives and did not see them. I appreciate your help, Thanks in advance. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363086#363086 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:15:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bungee gear versus springs From: "Bill Church" Several years ago, Hans posted a copy of his LG spring plans at mykitplane.com, here: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/filesList2.cfm?AlbumID=75 Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363088#363088 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bungee gear versus springs From: "kevinpurtee" Thanks, Bill. There you go, Terry. @John - I noticed more bounce initially when taxiing but I got used to it and there was no adverse impact. Takeoffs and landings feel the same. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363092#363092 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: FOR SALE (PROJECT) From: "bcolleran" Hey guys and girls. My son is due any day now and I have lost interest in my piet project. Currently as it sits I have the airframe Wood only 90% done. The turtle deck and panels need to be installed. I have the panels cut out. I have the spars and all the wood to complete the ribs. I will include the plans too. I bought the wood kit from aircraft spruce. The project has been sitting for about a year now. All joints were glued with t-88. I hate to see it go but I know it will be better served with someone else. I am asking $1,200 for everything. If you are interested and would like to see some pictures please feel free to call me at 412-874-7726 or email me at bcolleran@comcast.net Thanks, Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363093#363093 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:22:40 PM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: FOR SALE (PROJECT) What part of the world is this project located? bed -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bcolleran Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 3:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: FOR SALE (PROJECT) --> Hey guys and girls. My son is due any day now and I have lost interest in my piet project. Currently as it sits I have the airframe Wood only 90% done. The turtle deck and panels need to be installed. I have the panels cut out. I have the spars and all the wood to complete the ribs. I will include the plans too. I bought the wood kit from aircraft spruce. The project has been sitting for about a year now. All joints were glued with t-88. I hate to see it go but I know it will be better served with someone else. I am asking $1,200 for everything. If you are interested and would like to see some pictures please feel free to call me at 412-874-7726 or email me at bcolleran@comcast.net Thanks, Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363093#363093 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:45 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FOR SALE (PROJECT) Just a guess, but the 412 area code puts it in Western Pa., Pittsburgh area. John do not archive ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:20:09 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: FOR SALE (PROJECT) Bill, I can appreciate having higher priorities then building a plane. I am sure this was not an easy decision to come to and I bet you have been wres tling with it for quite some time. - If I may...if your situation allows, put off selling until after your son a rrives. Wait for your world to stop spinning and see if the itch comes back .. - Hate to see a project go, but as you said, it will help others along that a re in the works. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:34:27 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peeps Pietenpol Model I never saw a 4-blade prop on an Pietenpol before :>) Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peeps Pietenpol Model Here are two Pietenpols my peeps made from K-Nex. I am impressed with how they turned out. Complete with radial engines! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com As cool as they are, DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:10 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peeps Pietenpol Model Guns too...they like to modify like me! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Wed, 1/11/12, C N Campbell wrote: From: C N Campbell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Peeps Pietenpol Model I never saw a 4-blade prop on an Pietenpol before :>)- Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Peeps Pietenpol Model Here are two Pietenpols my peeps made from K-Nex. I am impressed with how t hey turned out. Complete with radial engines! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com As cool as they are, DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview From: "BYD" Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the Piet at the airport with all the major pieces in formation. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363123#363123 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/covered_airport_194.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:42:52 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Nice looking Piet. Are those Harley Davidson front wheels? Dick N ----- Original Message ----- From: "BYD" Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview > > Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the > Piet at the airport with all the major pieces in formation. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363123#363123 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/covered_airport_194.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:47:44 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Nice looking Piet Bill; Congratulations. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Peeps Pietenpol Model From: "aerocarjake" A Pieten-pair made out of sticks...... Just like the real thing.... Coooool.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363127#363127 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:17 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Classic! Looks great, Bill! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the Piet at the airport with all the major pieces in formation. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363123#363123 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/covered_airport_194.jpg ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:10 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast get-together Sorry if this is a repeat, but has a date been set for the West Coast Piet get-together? I seem to remember that it would be held at some lake or the other but I can't remember where or when. You have to remember that I'm 60 years old now and things get lost easily and quickly in the recesses of my brain. I still don't have Scout up here but am going to try to fly the airplane up to Oregon sometime in the spring, thus the reason for my inquiry. It might all play into a workable schedule. In an ideal world, we would have Jim Markle up in northern California at the same time as the get-together and could enjoy his company, too. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.