---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/12/12: 51 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:11 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:32 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Mark Stanley) 4. 05:10 AM - Paint scheme preview (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 5. 05:17 AM - Re: West Coast get-together (Gboothe5) 6. 05:28 AM - August 1969 American Aircraft Modeler magazine. (Gottfried F. Zojer) 7. 05:53 AM - Bill's Piet (Douwe Blumberg) 8. 06:02 AM - Re: August 1969 American Aircraft Modeler magazine. (Mark Stanley) 9. 06:13 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Michael Perez) 10. 06:15 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (BYD) 11. 06:41 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Amsafetyc) 12. 06:59 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (BYD) 13. 07:41 AM - Re: Re: Paint scheme preview (Michael Perez) 14. 07:49 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Piet2112) 15. 07:53 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Piet2112) 16. 08:13 AM - "A" cowling (bender) 17. 08:24 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Don Emch) 18. 08:28 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (bender) 19. 08:44 AM - Re: "A" cowling (helspersew@aol.com) 20. 09:36 AM - Re: "A" cowling (bender) 21. 09:50 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Bill Church) 22. 10:07 AM - Re: Paint scheme preview (BYD) 23. 10:12 AM - My Piet is out of long term storage (John Greenlee) 24. 11:03 AM - Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Bill Church) 25. 11:07 AM - Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Michael Perez) 26. 11:25 AM - Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Catdesigns) 27. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: Paint scheme preview (Dan Yocum) 28. 11:55 AM - Re: Re: Paint scheme preview (Ryan Mueller) 29. 12:39 PM - Re: "A" cowling (l.morlock) 30. 01:10 PM - update on NX53WE (Bob edson) 31. 01:11 PM - Re: "A" cowling (Gene Rambo) 32. 01:13 PM - Re: Paint scheme preview (Gene Rambo) 33. 03:18 PM - Re: update on NX53WE (Michael Perez) 34. 03:55 PM - Re: "A" cowling (bender) 35. 03:59 PM - Re: "A" cowling (helspersew@aol.com) 36. 04:01 PM - Re: "A" cowling (helspersew@aol.com) 37. 04:03 PM - Re: update on NX53WE (helspersew@aol.com) 38. 04:16 PM - Re: Paint scheme preview (helspersew@aol.com) 39. 04:25 PM - Re: update on NX53WE (BYD) 40. 04:28 PM - Re: Bill's Piet (BYD) 41. 04:50 PM - Re: West Coast get-together (Michael Groah) 42. 05:07 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Gboothe5) 43. 05:34 PM - Re: West Coast get-together (Gboothe5) 44. 06:25 PM - Re: "A" cowling (Gboothe5) 45. 06:39 PM - Re: update on NX53WE (Jack Phillips) 46. 07:17 PM - Re: "A" cowling (RickBright) 47. 07:51 PM - Painting/re-painting (Ozarkflyer) 48. 08:08 PM - Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) (bcolleran) 49. 08:22 PM - Re: Painting/re-painting (Haught & Assoc. Inc.) 50. 08:57 PM - Width of the Cuy wooden gear modification (Mark Roberts) 51. 09:48 PM - Re: West Coast get-together (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview From: helspersew@aol.com Bill, Wow a great-looking Piet. Always have liked that green. Just made it my new desktop!! Congratulations!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: BYD Sent: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 9:33 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the Piet at he airport with all the major pieces in formation. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363123#363123 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/covered_airport_194.jpg -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:52 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Absolutely Beautiful! Where is it? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BYD Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the Piet at the airport with all the major pieces in formation. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363123#363123 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/covered_airport_194.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:32:17 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Now that's a nice looking Piet, Great job! Mark S Japan -----Original Message----- From: BYD Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:30 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the Piet at the airport with all the major pieces in formation. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:46 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview You've come a long way Bill and it's paying off in spades! You'll like this one from the air too as you won't have that bottom wing blocking your view like the Boredom Fighter:) Do you still have the BF by chance? Great looking Pietenpol you've created! Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:47 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast get-together Oscar, The West Coast Piet Gathering has ALWAYS been the first weekend of June! ;-) So, mark June 2nd as your target date. Frazier Lake, 1C9, is your destination. This should be a special year, as I am pretty sure Mike Groah will be there with his beautiful, new Corvair powered Piet that he and his dad are finishing up! Gary from Cool NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: West Coast get-together Sorry if this is a repeat, but has a date been set for the West Coast Piet get-together? I seem to remember that it would be held at some lake or the other but I can't remember where or when. You have to remember that I'm 60 years old now and things get lost easily and quickly in the recesses of my brain. I still don't have Scout up here but am going to try to fly the airplane up to Oregon sometime in the spring, thus the reason for my inquiry. It might all play into a workable schedule. In an ideal world, we would have Jim Markle up in northern California at the same time as the get-together and could enjoy his company, too. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: August 1969 American Aircraft Modeler magazine. From: "Gottfried F. Zojer" Hello to everyone, It s my first post to this mailing list so apologies if I m asking for something what was asked already. Well what I m basically looking for is a plan of Pietenpol Air Camper like shown on the following webpage. http://www.airplanesandrockets.com/airplanes/pietenpol-air-camper-aug-1969-AAM.htmand according to the writer it is a scan from the August 1969 American Aircraft Modeler magazine. Hope somebody can advise Thanks for any feedback Gottfried ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:00 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bill's Piet Beautiful looking plane Bill, congratulations!! Very cool to see new Ford added to the roster!!! Keep us up to date as the big day approaches. Douwe ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:28 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: August 1969 American Aircraft Modeler magazine. Hi Gottfried, Welcome, I just had a look at the site and I noticed that there is a link to the AMA plans site. Have you checked with them as to the availibility? If you want a 28=9D span Piet, try the one at =98Small Flying Arts=99, http://smallflyingarts.com/free-plans/ Good Luck Mark S Japan From: Gottfried F. Zojer Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 10:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: August 1969 American Aircraft Modeler magazine. Hello to everyone, It s my first post to this mailing list so apologies if I m asking for something what was asked already. Well what I m basically looking for is a plan of Pietenpol Air Camper like shown on the following webpage. http://www.airplanesandrockets.com/airplanes/pietenpol-air-camper-aug-196 9-AAM.htm and according to the writer it is a scan from the August 1969 American Aircraft Modeler magazine. Hope somebody can advise Thanks for any feedback Gottfried ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:13 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Looks great! Very clean looking...simple yet elegant. I see the axle extends out past the wheels some, curious to know why. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview From: "BYD" > Nice looking Piet. Are those Harley Davidson front wheels? > Dick N Thanks Dick, I used Yamaha 650 wheels, disks, calipers and mounted the master cylinder from the handle-bars on the rudder-bar so the total system would have the same power/feel as the motorcycle. ----------- > Absolutely Beautiful! Where is it? > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Thanks also Jack (and all the others), this picture was taken at the Tacoma Narrows Airport in the State of Washington (aerocarjake aka Jake Schultz is a nearby builder). ----------- > You've come a long way Bill and it's paying off in spades! You'll like this one from the air too as you won't have that bottom wing blocking your view like the Boredom Fighter:) Do you still have the BF by chance? > Great looking Pietenpol you've created! > > Mike C. Hey Mike, thanks its been a long build but enjoyable. My good friend Don Wainwright fabricated the wings while I made two fuselages and modified two engines so its possible we may see a sister ship some day. Youre right about the lower wing missing and I will enjoy that. I just hope it flies well. The BF ended up in Chile of all places. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363152#363152 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview From: Amsafetyc Great looking Piet good job! John Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2012, at 10:30 PM, "BYD" wrote: > > Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the Piet at the airport with all the major pieces in formation. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363123#363123 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/covered_airport_194.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:59 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview From: "BYD" > "speedbrake(at)sbcglobal.n"]Looks great! Very clean looking...simple yet elegant. > > I see the axle extends out past the wheels some, curious to know why. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > Michael because I used stock Yamaha 650 motorcycle wheels, the hubs are not as wide as some say they should be on a plane. On the other hand, I have heard of them being used successfully so Im uncertain which is true. The extensions are my way of hedging my bet and if I can determine that wider hubs are needed (without damage to the axles) then I could fabricate wider hubs and mount them on the same axle. If they prove adequate, I can always cut off the excess so they look more reasonable. I had also thought they might make a good step, but I dont see the need for that. Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363156#363156 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:41:21 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview I understand...good plan. I like the step idea too. -I don't have them in front of me, but I believe I made my hubs no shorte r than 6". (Outside flange face to outside flange face) Buchanan's, who sup plied the rims and spokes seemed to think 6" was a good number. (Going from memory.) If you have a more detailed picture of your wheel/hub/brake assembly, I wou ld love to see it. Again, nice plane. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:49:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview From: "Piet2112" But of course, a foot peg for Mary Beth! Don not archive Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363162#363162 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:53:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview From: "Piet2112" Bill, it looks great! I bet it sound great too! Pockety-Pockety Do not Archive Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363163#363163 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling From: "bender" Hey guys... on the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to the front of the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the front.. It looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to the wood disk. but i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west coast piet site.. do you guys have the wood disk?? is the cowl attached to the front at all?? I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if there's a better way ? jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview From: "Don Emch" Very very nice! What is the prop? Or where did you get the plan for carving it. it looks like the old Lawrence and Fahlin style props that Mr. Pietenpol used. Nice. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363169#363169 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview From: "bender" Looks great..! congrats ! i looked for one of those mags..really wanted one...hard to come by jeff do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363171#363171 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling From: helspersew@aol.com Jeff, I had all these same questions when I did mine. I had to make that wood dis c 3 times before I settled on about 1/2" thick spruce board glued to 1/8" p lywood. Then I had to faddiddle around trying to get the correct angle on i t all the way around the circumference. That angle was not constant, depend ing on how the side and bottom cowls approached it. (I made my side and bot tom cowl all one piece a-la-Walt Bowe from California.) I kept the board in there so I had something to screw the aluminum disc and cowls to. After i t was all together I removed the bolts that held the wood disc to the engin e, so that the engine vibration could not be transferred to the cowl pieces . And that engine really jumps, up off the ash engine mounts, by about 1" o n start-up, against the springs on the engine hold-down bolts. That cowling was one of the most challenging parts of the airplane. Ended up making som e of the pieces twice. I guess if was all riveted together then maybe you c ould get rid of the wood disc? But if that were the case, lets say you want ed to remove your cowlings. I would have to remove the prop and prop flange from the engine first, because the hole in my aluminum cone is smaller tha n the Comntinental-style (6-bolt) prop flange. Put your thinking cap on. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 10:13 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling > Hey guys... n the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to the fro nt f the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the front.. t looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to the woo d isk. ut i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west coast pie t ite.. o you guys have the wood disk?? is the cowl attached to the front at all?? I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if there 's a etter way ? jeff ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:36:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling From: "bender" So you did screw the cowl to the disc... i made the bottom one piece too.. and was screwing it all to the wood disc... maybe i'm heading in the right direction it looked like you had rivets in yours in the photos... i'll look again Thanks Dan jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363187#363187 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:50:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview From: "Bill Church" Bill Nice! Bill (couldn't resist the symmetry) do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363193#363193 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview From: "BYD" > Don Emch"]Very very nice! What is the prop? Or where did you get the plan for carving it. it looks like the old Lawrence and Fahlin style props that Mr. Pietenpol used. Nice. > > Don Emch > NX899DE You're right Don, the prop is the same profile and airfoil decided on by Bernard and the type he had carved by Ole Fahlin. This particular propeller was carved by Chad Willie some years ago. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363197#363197 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:12:48 AM PST US From: "John Greenlee" Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Piet is out of long term storage Hello all, I've got the Piet back out of long term storage and into my workshop. I am going to build a new wooden gear, so a few questions: 1. Who out there is building hubs for wire wheels similar to the Pavliga pattern. My original wheels do not have brakes so I am considering building a similar set of wheels with a flange for mounting brakes. 2. I never found a good way to jig the wooden (29 plans) gear. I got it together by trial and error, eventually, but am looking for a more fool-resistant way to jig it to get a more predictable result. 3. I am thinking about adding brakes similar to those designed and carefully engineered by the great and exalted Larry Williams. Does anybody have any sketches/drawings/dimensions for these? Thanks! And I am anxiously awaiting your collective sage advice. JMG ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:03:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage From: "Bill Church" Here are answers to two out of your three questions: 1. Ken Perkins makes very nice wheel hubs: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=8 and Airdrome Aeroplanes also offers them for sale: http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/heavydutywheels.html 2. Chris Tracy has a well documented description of setting up and building his wooden gear at his superb website: http://westcoastpiet.com/wood_gear_construction.htm Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363221#363221 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:02 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Piet is out of long term storage Well John, I can tell you how I handled mine...you'll need to decide if it is helpful or not. I don't know of anyone building wire wheel hubs. If you have access to the tools, and the drive to learn, you can fabricate your own to your exact needs. (Such as the brake mounting flanges you describe.) I made my own and it was not difficult at all. Afraid I can't help much in the jigging of the legs department. I have a tile floor in my shop so I used those 1' squares as a guide along with some masking tape to lay out my gear. I had the fuselage set right side up, ( some build with the fuselage up side down) at the deck angle I wanted with the tail wheel height figured in. Once positioned over my center line marked on the floor, using plumb bobs, I stuck masking tape on the grid floor and marked my reference lines and measurements on those. I made and positioned my ash blocks on the floor and worked up to the fuselage. I have no intell. on WW's brake set up, I used simple go kart band brakes. I plan to only use the brakes to keep from rolling down hill into the fuel pit or another plane, so I felt a ton of stopping power was not needed. If interested, contact me off list and I can provide more details and photos of what I have. Good luck. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage From: "Catdesigns" John What a treat to hear your back in the Pietenpol community. I started building my Pietenpol about the time you were finishing your plane. I always wondered what happened to you. As Bill already said I have documented the build of the wood landing gear on my website. You will have to modify the procedure slightly for a finished plane but it should make you rebuild much easier. I have some sketches on the webpage that Santiago Morete from Argentina sent me that Dan Helsper sent him. (got to love the internet). They are similar to the wheels Larry Williams built. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Santiago%20Morete/pictures.htm -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363230#363230 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:09 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview On 01/12/2012 12:03 PM, BYD wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "BYD" > > >> Don Emch"]Very very nice! What is the prop? Or where did you get the plan for carving it. it looks like the old Lawrence and Fahlin style props that Mr. Pietenpol used. Nice. >> >> Don Emch >> NX899DE > > > You're right Don, the prop is the same profile and airfoil decided on by Bernard and the type he had carved by Ole Fahlin. This particular propeller was carved by Chad Willie some years ago. > Ole and Lena got married. On their honeymoon trip they were nearing Minneapolis when Ole put his hand on Lena's knee. Giggling, Lena Said, "Ole, you can go farther if ya vant to"... so Ole drove to Duluth. do not archive And, I'm sorry. ;-) ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Paint scheme preview From: Ryan Mueller Lake Wobegon to Duluth via Minneapolis? Must been one heckuva dowry to pay for such extravagance... Ryan do not archive On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > > > On 01/12/2012 12:03 PM, BYD wrote: > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "BYD" >> >> >> Don Emch"]Very very nice! What is the prop? Or where did you get the >>> plan for carving it. it looks like the old Lawrence and Fahlin style props >>> that Mr. Pietenpol used. Nice. >>> >>> Don Emch >>> NX899DE >>> >> >> >> You're right Don, the prop is the same profile and airfoil decided on by >> Bernard and the type he had carved by Ole Fahlin. This particular >> propeller was carved by Chad Willie some years ago. >> >> > Ole and Lena got married. On their honeymoon trip they were nearing > Minneapolis when Ole put his hand on Lena's knee. Giggling, Lena Said, > "Ole, you can go farther if ya vant to"... so Ole drove to Duluth. > > do not archive > > And, I'm sorry. ;-) > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:39:36 PM PST US From: "l.morlock" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling Jeff, here's a picture of my cowling up in Columbus. I have a wood disk, but it floats on the front of the engine, not attached. The two studs in the front of the engine to locate the flywheel housing are countersunk into the wood disk, which helps give it support and keep it in position. Larry Morlock ----- Original Message ----- From: "bender" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling > > > Hey guys... > on the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to the > front of the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the > front.. > It looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to the > wood disk. > but i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west coast > piet site.. > do you guys have the wood disk?? > > is the cowl attached to the front at all?? > > I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if > there's a better way ? > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167 > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:41 PM PST US From: "Bob edson" Subject: Pietenpol-List: update on NX53WE We have the tail feathers and wings painted and ready to start covering the center section. Then start taking motor and gear off fusalege and cover it. Then the reassembly starts. I took some pictures but the lighting on the wing is not good so the yellow is not true to color., it is good on the tail so the wing color is the same. Will see you at Brodhead I hope. Bob ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 01:11:51 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling The wood disc only attaches to the engine until the cowling is built=2C the n you remove the bolts (READ the plans=2C LOL) Also=2C there is no need to bevel the edge of the disc because the cowl pieces are flanged and the fla nges screw into the front face of the disc (unless you just want to make it hard) Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling > From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com > Date: Thu=2C 12 Jan 2012 08:10:31 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > Hey guys... > on the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to the front of the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the front.. > It looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to the wood disk. > but i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west coast piet site.. > do you guys have the wood disk?? > > is the cowl attached to the front at all?? > > I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if the re's a better way ? > > jeff > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 01:13:02 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview You going to steal this scheme now and repaint yours=2C Dan????? (mean man) Genedo not archive To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview From: helspersew@aol.com Bill=2C Wow a great-looking Piet. Always have liked that green. Just made it my new desktop!! Congratulations!! Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN -----Original Message----- From: BYD Sent: Wed=2C Jan 11=2C 2012 9:33 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Well=2C there's still a lot of work to be done=2C but here's a shot of the Piet at the airport with all the major pieces in formation. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363123#363123 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/covered_airport_194.jpg " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:13 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on NX53WE What I like: - The aluminum cowling looks great. Any chance I can see more pictures of it? I'm wanting to see how it looks from the front, bottom, head on, etc. - The airfoil shaped steps. I assume these stay put...or do they slide into t he fuselage? - The P-51 model under the table! - The paint...wow! - What I DON'T like: - I'm not as far along as you. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling From: "bender" thanks guys... i think i've got it now.. come on Gene..."read the plans " ?? i've looked over my plans a thousand times...its the most read magazine i have from 1932...its just not there jeff do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363430#363430 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling From: helspersew@aol.com Larry, It looks like your aluminum cone overlaps your cowling? My cowling a ctually overlaps my cone. Maybe I did it the hard way. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: l.morlock Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 2:40 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling Jeff, here's a picture of my cowling up in Columbus. I have a wood disk, ut it floats on the front of the engine, not attached. The two studs in he front of the engine to locate the flywheel housing are countersunk into he wood disk, which helps give it support and keep it in position. Larry Morlock ---- Original Message ----- rom: "bender" o: ent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:10 AM ubject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling Hey guys... on the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to the front of the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the front.. It looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to the wood disk. but i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west coast piet site.. do you guys have the wood disk?? is the cowl attached to the front at all?? I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if there's a better way ? jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling From: helspersew@aol.com Gene, Lets see a photo. I don't get it :O) Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 3:12 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling The wood disc only attaches to the engine until the cowling is built, then you remove the bolts (READ the plans, LOL) Also, there is no need to bevel the edge of the disc because the cowl pieces are flanged and the flanges s crew into the front face of the disc (unless you just want to make it hard) Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling > From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 08:10:31 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > Hey guys... > on the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to the front of the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the front.. > It looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to the wood disk. > but i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west coast piet site.. > do you guys have the wood disk?? > > is the cowl attached to the front at all?? > > I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if the re's a better way ? > > jeff > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167 > > > > &========================> _================== > > > -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: update on NX53WE From: helspersew@aol.com Very cool Bob!! You should be very proud of that bird. Is that Stewart's pa int? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Bob edson Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 3:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: update on NX53WE We have the tail feathers and wings painted and ready to start covering the center section. Then start taking motor and gear off fusalege and cover it . Then the reassembly starts. I took some pictures but the lighting on the wing is not good so the yellow is not true to color., it is good on the tai l so the wing color is the same. Will see you at Brodhead I hope. Bob ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:42 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview From: helspersew@aol.com You make sure and tell Will that I'm for sure go'in to catch him this year! ! do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 3:13 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview You going to steal this scheme now and repaint yours, Dan????? (mean man) Gene do not archive Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview From: helspersew@aol.com Bill, Wow a great-looking Piet. Always have liked that green. Just made it my new desktop!! Congratulations!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: BYD Sent: Wed, Jan 11, 2012 9:33 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Paint scheme preview Well, there's still a lot of work to be done, but here's a shot of the Piet at he airport with all the major pieces in formation. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363123#363123 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/covered_airport_194.jpg target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ://forums.matronics.com lank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com "_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: update on NX53WE From: "BYD" Nice! It's a good feeling isn't it? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363479#363479 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bill's Piet From: "BYD" Will Do Douwe. Thanks Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363480#363480 ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:00 PM PST US From: Michael Groah Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast get-together Oscar... As Gary said the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering has been held on t he first Saturday of June which this year would be June 2nd.- It would be a great honor to have you and Scout at the gathering.- The gathering is hosted by Charlie Miller at Frazier lake Air Park, near Hollister CA.- I' ll get this year's flier out soon and make sure you get one.- =0A=0A- -- As Gary mentioned I would love to get my plane done and the hours fl own off so I can make it to the gathering, but it's going to be a stretch. - I should definitely have it flying but I don't know if I'll be able to get the 40 hours flown off, but I'll sure give it a try. --=0A--- And you're right, it'd be great if Markle could be out here at that time t oo.- He attended the gathering the year before last and it was quite the honor.- =0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:33 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage John, The profile of your Piet has been on my bulletin board for close to four years! Not to diminish The Chris Tracy method, as it has a proven track record, but for a completed fuselage, you may wish to just prop up the fuselage on saw horses, until you get the desired ramp angle, and cut the legs to fit. With a table saw, it only takes a couple cuts! Gary from Cool NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Here are answers to two out of your three questions: 1. Ken Perkins makes very nice wheel hubs: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=8 and Airdrome Aeroplanes also offers them for sale: http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/heavydutywheels.html 2. Chris Tracy has a well documented description of setting up and building his wooden gear at his superb website: http://westcoastpiet.com/wood_gear_construction.htm Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363221#363221 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 05:34:10 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: West Coast get-together Frazier Lake when Jim Markle was there. Frazier Lake '10.JPG Frazier Lake when Jim wasn't there. Frazer Lake 11 010.jpg Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Groah Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:47 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: West Coast get-together Oscar... As Gary said the West Coast Pietenpol Gathering has been held on the first Saturday of June which this year would be June 2nd. It would be a great honor to have you and Scout at the gathering. The gathering is hosted by Charlie Miller at Frazier lake Air Park, near Hollister CA. I'll get this year's flier out soon and make sure you get one. As Gary mentioned I would love to get my plane done and the hours flown off so I can make it to the gathering, but it's going to be a stretch. I should definitely have it flying but I don't know if I'll be able to get the 40 hours flown off, but I'll sure give it a try. And you're right, it'd be great if Markle could be out here at that time too. He attended the gathering the year before last and it was quite the honor. Mike Groah Tulare CA ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:35 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling Larry, You should be about ready to fly!! Gary NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling Jeff, here's a picture of my cowling up in Columbus. I have a wood disk, but it floats on the front of the engine, not attached. The two studs in the front of the engine to locate the flywheel housing are countersunk into the wood disk, which helps give it support and keep it in position. Larry Morlock ----- Original Message ----- From: "bender" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling > > > Hey guys... > on the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to the > front of the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the > front.. > It looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to the > wood disk. > but i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west coast > piet site.. > do you guys have the wood disk?? > > is the cowl attached to the front at all?? > > I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if > there's a better way ? > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167 > > > ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:59 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: update on NX53WE Looking very nice, Bob! There are suddenly a lot of very nice looking Pietenpolsgetting close to completion. This year should be a very good Brodhead, if all these new Pietenpols make it there. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 4:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: update on NX53WE We have the tail feathers and wings painted and ready to start covering the center section. Then start taking motor and gear off fusalege and cover it. Then the reassembly starts. I took some pictures but the lighting on the wing is not good so the yellow is not true to color., it is good on the tail so the wing color is the same. Will see you at Brodhead I hope. Bob ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:04 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling From: "RickBright" Not sure if this helps, there is a YouTube video titled " Howard Henderson's Model A Ford Powered Pientenpol", at 1.09 into the video it shows how he attached the sheet metal. I don't even have my plans yet so I have no idea what they show and not sure if this will help you. It just looked to me the way Howard did it is a pretty neat job, if this is what you are looking for..... Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363546#363546 ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Painting/re-painting From: "Ozarkflyer" Any of you guys re-paint your Piet? I mean like painting over the original. If so, how was it done? Strip off the old...just paint over the old or a variation of both. Just wondering. -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363549#363549 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 08:08:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) From: "bcolleran" Hey guys thanks for all the kind words. Putting the project up for sale was not a easy decision! The plane is located in East Kingston NH. About a hour north of boston and a hour south of portland me. I have attached two pictures of how it sits right now. Bill 412-874-7726 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363550#363550 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0018_180.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0582_159.jpg ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Painting/re-painting From: "Haught & Assoc. Inc." What is the old finish? What is it's condition? I am repanting my Pacer now. It is polytone with minor cracking in places. I am throughly with TSP, then working the cracks with MEK. Then cleaning with Stewarts EkoClean. Next step will be a coat of EkoPrime, then sanding. Another coat of EkoPrime, sanding again if needed, and then top coating with Stewart's EkoPoly. M. Haught Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:48 PM, "Ozarkflyer" wrote: > > Any of you guys re-paint your Piet? I mean like painting over the original. If so, how was it done? Strip off the old...just paint over the old or a variation of both. > > Just wondering. > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363549#363549 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Width of the Cuy wooden gear modification From: Mark Roberts Hi everybody I'm making the split gear version and am in process of planning out the buil d. I'm wondering how wide Mike Cuy made his modification to the wooden gear, as I think I'd like a wide spread to the gear like his, but with a split ge ar design. Thanks! Mark ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 09:48:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: West Coast get-together From: "taildrags" Ouch. Looks like I might be a week too late for this one. Right now the academic calendar is showing the week between quarters to be June 8-17 and that's when I'll probably be moving the airplane. However, I'll have to see how finals go the week before June 8. I am enrolled in the graduate program at Cal Poly, attempting to get my master's degree in fire protection engineering. Can't let up because at my age, if I slow down or stop I'll forget everything I've learned and will have to start over again. It's all I can do to remember how to land an airplane anymore these days ;o) At any rate, I can probably stop in at Frazier Lake Airpark whether it's get-together time or not. I'm thinking of diverting to San Luis Obispo to visit the Cal Poly campus anyway, and it's not that much of a stretch to go on up to Frazier from there before getting back on the Interstate 5 route that I plan to take most of the way north. -------- Oscar Zuniga San Antonio, TX Air Camper NX41CC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363559#363559 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.