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1. 01:50 AM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (Jack)
2. 01:58 AM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (Gene Rambo)
3. 05:34 AM - Re: "A" cowling (bender)
4. 05:38 AM - Re: "A" cowling (bender)
5. 06:20 AM - so encouraging!!! (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 06:32 AM - making the landing gear wider than plans (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
7. 06:52 AM - Re: Painting/re-painting (Ozarkflyer)
8. 07:16 AM - Re: so encouraging!!! (Michael Perez)
9. 07:26 AM - Re: making the landing gear wider than plans (Michael Perez)
10. 07:51 AM - more on deck angle and landing gears (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
11. 07:54 AM - shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
12. 08:07 AM - Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share (John Hofmann)
13. 08:10 AM - Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share (Gboothe5)
14. 08:17 AM - Re: "A" cowling (l.morlock)
15. 08:23 AM - Re: "A" cowling (l.morlock)
16. 08:29 AM - Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share (dgaldrich)
17. 08:30 AM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bryan Reed)
18. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Chris)
19. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Painting/re-painting (H. Marvin Haught)
20. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share (Ryan Mueller)
21. 09:46 AM - Re: making the landing gear wider than plans (Jack Phillips)
22. 10:35 AM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bill Church)
23. 11:13 AM - Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Jack Phillips)
24. 11:27 AM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bryan Reed)
25. 11:29 AM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bryan Reed)
26. 11:45 AM - Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions (899PM)
27. 11:51 AM - leaf springs for tailwheels (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
28. 11:59 AM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Barry Davis)
29. 12:13 PM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Bill Church)
30. 12:15 PM - 2.5 hour Piet DVD available (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
31. 12:17 PM - Re: leaf springs for tailwheels (Bryan Reed)
32. 12:47 PM - Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available (Bill Church)
33. 01:24 PM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bill Church)
34. 01:26 PM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (jeff wilson)
35. 02:16 PM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bryan Reed)
36. 03:36 PM - Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Piet2112)
37. 03:45 PM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Jack Phillips)
38. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Jack Phillips)
39. 03:54 PM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Ryan Mueller)
40. 04:03 PM - Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Bill Church)
41. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Ryan Mueller)
42. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (helspersew@aol.com)
43. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Michael Perez)
44. 04:41 PM - Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Piet2112)
45. 04:55 PM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
46. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (Gene Rambo)
47. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available (Gboothe5)
48. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Gboothe5)
49. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (Brett Phillips)
50. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (Gboothe5)
51. 08:05 PM - Re: "A" cowling (bender)
52. 08:27 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Clif Dawson)
53. 11:18 PM - Re: making the landing gear wider than plans (Mark Roberts)
54. 11:25 PM - Re: Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions (Mark Roberts)
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Rick, thanks for pointing that video out. It's super, Grant did a great
job!
Jack
DSM
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RickBright
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling
<brightwellrichard@yahoo.com>
Not sure if this helps, there is a YouTube video titled " Howard Henderson's
Model A Ford Powered Pientenpol", at 1.09 into the video it shows how he
attached the sheet metal.
I don't even have my plans yet so I have no idea what they show and not
sure if this will help you. It just looked to me the way Howard did it is a
pretty neat job, if this is what you are looking for.....
Rick
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The read the plans was a humorous jab. It is there on my plans=2C but take
s some digging to find it. I hope it was taken that way!! Genedo not archi
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> From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com
> Date: Thu=2C 12 Jan 2012 15:52:11 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> thanks guys...
> i think i've got it now..
> come on Gene..."read the plans " ?? i've looked over my plans a thousand
times...its the most read magazine i have from 1932...its just not there
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totally...Gene...
it was funny to me..jab away..
I had another thought..
the end of the camshaft is covered by the wood disk..and it does leak a bit when
its running if not covered
did you guys put something over the camshaft ?.. i was thinking the wood disk and
a gasket bolted to the engine took care of that...
and the cowl attached to the wood
jeff
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that looks just like the photos of the scout in the '33 magazine..
i usually check the sky scout drawings to clarify stuff i get confused about..they
are better drawings of most of the same stuff
thanks for the video link
jeff
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| Subject: | so encouraging!!! |
It's great to hear of all these Piets coming together all of a sudden?
Especially some new Fords!!! Very cool!!! And very encouraging!!!
Welcome back John Greenlee! I loved pics of your plane and always was
hoping you'd brush her off and get her going again.
Regarding the wood disc in Ford cowlings, I did mine like Gene.
Easy-peasey.
Back to the shop, building the exhaust/shroud/muffler system for the new
c-90 installation. Maybe I get run her up soon!
Douwe
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| Subject: | making the landing gear wider than plans |
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| Subject: | Re: Painting/re-painting |
How much weight do you figure you'll add? Negligible?
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| Subject: | Re: so encouraging!!! |
AHHHHH! Douwe, did you say C-90!?- If you know any others for sale please
let me know. That's my engine of choice! (After a radial, of course!)
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: making the landing gear wider than plans |
Mike C. inspired me to make my gear wider as well for the reasons he alread
y stated. The 6" sounds right...the plans show 42-1/2" wide on the inside o
f the ash blocks. (Wood gear plans, obviously.) I believe mine ended up bei
ng 48". If you incorporate brakes, the wheel assemblies may be out even fur
ther to allow for the brakes, making the overall stance wider still.
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Mike C., I hope you don't mind...
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Mike also has a slightly lower deck angle, which I also copied. Between the
wider gear and the lower deck angle, the plane has an overall look that re
ally appeals to me.
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Very, very glad I got to see his plane and he shared these details with me!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | more on deck angle and landing gears |
Mike P. makes a very good point in that the wider gear allows for (on the s
traight axel) the addition of brakes and for me
I wanted better visibility when in the 3-point position for landing, taxiin
g, and takeoff, so I duplicated the deck angle of
the Aeronca Champ I was used to flying-something like 12 degrees nose high
from horizontal.
I also raised my seat 2" higher than plans (to improve over-the-nose visibi
lity) which was a big mistake! Too much of my upper body is exposed to t
he propwash
and on long flights I find myself loosening my seat belt to slip down out o
f the wind some. Had I just left the seat height alone I could have
added cushions to position me best height-wise.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share |
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My Daughters company quickly becoming a major player in the Gelato business
and the imported food business with her newest line of spreads under her
corporate name, Zanni Foods.
Do not archive unless you love great gelato and imported designer spreads
John
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| Subject: | Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share |
Wasn't Gelato the guy that made the boy out of wood?
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:52 AM, AMsafetyC@aol.com wrote:
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> My Daughters company quickly becoming a major player in the Gelato
business and the imported food business with her newest line of spreads
under her corporate name, Zanni Foods.
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spreads
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| Subject: | shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share |
John,
I, for one, live on gelato.well.actually..jelly, as in peanut butter and
jelly..but I surely do not want to see you get slapped down by the List
Police. In fact, you may as well lay your hands out on the keyboard, as you
will surely receive an internet ruler on the knuckles.any minute now.
Gary from Cool
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
AMsafetyC@aol.com
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:52 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share
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My Daughters company quickly becoming a major player in the Gelato business
and the imported food business with her newest line of spreads under her
corporate name, Zanni Foods.
Do not archive unless you love great gelato and imported designer spreads
John
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Yes, the aluminum cone does overlap the cowling - kind of. I attached a
narrow strip of aluminum around the back side of the wood disk with
screws, riveted the cone to that, then used rivnuts to attach the side
panels to the strip, so I can take the side panels off without removing
the cone. That makes the side panels flush with the cone. Hope that
explanation makes sense. But I probably did it the hard way.
Larry
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From: helspersew@aol.com
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling
Larry, It looks like your aluminum cone overlaps your cowling? My
cowling actually overlaps my cone. Maybe I did it the hard way.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: l.morlock <l.morlock@att.net>
To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 2:40 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling
Jeff, here's a picture of my cowling up in Columbus. I have a wood
disk,
but it floats on the front of the engine, not attached. The two studs
in
the front of the engine to locate the flywheel housing are countersunk
into
the wood disk, which helps give it support and keep it in position.
Larry Morlock
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From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:10 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling
> <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> Hey guys...
> on the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to
the
> front of the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the
> front..
> It looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to
the
> wood disk.
> but i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west
coast
> piet site..
> do you guys have the wood disk??
>
> is the cowl attached to the front at all??
>
> I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if
> there's a better way ?
>
> jeff
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167
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Hi, Gary. Seems like I've been "about ready to fly" for a couple of years
now. Still have a number of jobs to do to finish it up - complete the
rigging and coaming, mainly. I quit making promises to myself on completion
dates. Also, my shop is not heated except for one little corner, so limits
my time in the winter. I keep plugging, though.
Larry Morlock
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From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:23 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling
>
> Larry,
>
> You should be about ready to fly!!
>
> Gary
> NX308MB
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:37 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling
>
> Jeff, here's a picture of my cowling up in Columbus. I have a wood disk,
> but it floats on the front of the engine, not attached. The two studs in
> the front of the engine to locate the flywheel housing are countersunk
> into
> the wood disk, which helps give it support and keep it in position.
>
> Larry Morlock
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:10 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling
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>> <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>>
>> Hey guys...
>> on the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to the
>> front of the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the
>> front..
>> It looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to the
>> wood disk.
>> but i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west coast
>> piet site..
>> do you guys have the wood disk??
>>
>> is the cowl attached to the front at all??
>>
>> I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if
>> there's a better way ?
>>
>> jeff
>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167
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| Subject: | Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share |
No worse than the Shameless Commerce Division at Car Talk...
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: more on deck angle and landing gears |
As long as the list is discussing deck angles and landing gear.
I am trying to get my fuse up on gear and am working on building the steel split
gear. I will be using the Hegar 6" spun aluminum wheels with internal disc
brakes.
My question is tail wheel. I plan on ordering the Matco 6" Pneumatic tail wheel.
I am going with the leaf spring set up to get the wheel back farther for more
stable handling. I would like to use the light weight homebuilders leaf from
ACS as weight is an issue this far back on the arm. I am concerned it is enough
spring though and am thinking maybe I should just order the 3-leaf Cub spring.
They don't publish any info on ACS for this spring. Anybody have any experience
with it?
BTW-I would have preferred the wire wheel look but here I will operate almost
exclusively on 1 to 1-1/2 mile long paved runways. I will be bumping regularly
with heavy iron and very active taxiways. It also can be in excess of 130 degrees
on the ramp in mid summer. I have deferred looks to use a conventional set
up that is proven durable with heavy braking.
Thanks,
Bryan
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Working Piet N5289B
While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
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| Subject: | Re: My Piet is out of long term storage |
Your absolutely right Gary. The way you and Michael Perez did it is just as
good. The secret to taking the pain out of constructing the wood landing
gear is getting the ash block aligned correctly before cutting the gear
legs. The ash block needs to be parallel to the ground when the fuselage is
at the desired deck angle AND the outer edge needs to be pointing towards
the tailskid/wheel. That is the secret. Fix the ash block in space then fill
in the blanks with the spruce legs.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage
John,
The profile of your Piet has been on my bulletin board for close to four
years! Not to diminish The Chris Tracy method, as it has a proven track
record, but for a completed fuselage, you may wish to just prop up the
fuselage on saw horses, until you get the desired ramp angle, and cut the
legs to fit. With a table saw, it only takes a couple cuts!
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage
--> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Here are answers to two out of your three questions:
1. Ken Perkins makes very nice wheel hubs:
http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=8
and Airdrome Aeroplanes also offers them for sale:
http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/heavydutywheels.html
2. Chris Tracy has a well documented description of setting up and building
his wooden gear at his superb website:
http://westcoastpiet.com/wood_gear_construction.htm
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Painting/re-painting |
Well, the full fabric system weighs about 1 oz per square foot. That figure was
obtained by weighing the practice panels from participants in a Stewart's system
workshop I did here at my place year before last. The actual average was
1.04 oz per square foot. Let's say that half that weight is primer and paint,
so 1/2 oz per sf. double the area of your wing, and calculated the area of
your fuselage and that should give you an idea. By my calculations, it will add
about 35 pounds to the weight of my Pacer.
M. Haught
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| Subject: | making the landing gear wider than plans |
My gear is 54.5" wide at the V-Blocks, with 6" hubs and Cleveland brakes,
which puts the center of each tire about 6' apart. I'm in Raleigh now and
the plane is at Smith Mountain Lake, but I'll measure it the next time I'm
there (in about a week).
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: making the landing gear wider than plans
Mark, group-I don't recall how much wider I made my gear stance than plans
but could measure
it next time I'm at the hangar. (a rough guess puts it at 6" wider than
plans) Not only do I like the look of
the wider gear stance (Jack Phillips look is similar as his gear is wider
too) but it gives you more footing
in strong crosswinds.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: more on deck angle and landing gears |
Sorry, no practical experience with leaf springs to share.
But I'm curious about your statement regarding wire wheels. What difference would
wire wheels vs others make if you're operating on a long runway. And what difference
does the temperature make?
Bill C.
PS "in excess of 130 degrees" ??? Really?
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| Subject: | Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA |
Fellow Pietenpol Enthusiasts:
The EAA, in the manner of all large, multi-national corporations, has issued
pink slips to about 30 folks in Oshkosh, including Steve Buss, who very
effectively ran the Young Eagles program, and Jim Koepnick, one of the best
aerial photographers in the world. Apparently Jim didn't take enough photos
of warbirds, or of middle-aged men wearing Nomex flight suits.
I believe I've been to my last AirVenture. It's gotten too expensive, and
it simply isn't as much fun as it used to be. I'll just keep going to
Brodhead and Triple Tree and other Fun fly-ins, where the emphasis is on
airplanes, not money.
Here's an article about it:
http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpid
=enews011312
<http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpi
d=enews011312&spPodID=030> &spPodID=030
I would drop my membership to EAA except that I am a Technical Counselor for
my local chapter, and despite the idiots in Oshkosh, our local chapter is
actually building airplanes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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| Subject: | Re: more on deck angle and landing gears |
Bill wrote:
"PS "in excess of 130 degrees" ??? Really?"
Bill,
Unfortunately yes. When outside temps hit 150 to 120 the blacktop can really heat
up.
With the long runways comes a long taxi as well as hangar complexes moved further
from the runways. It is not unusual to taxi 1-1/2 miles to the hold short
line. At peak times there may be 20-deep on the taxi ways. Not only is this a
lot of miles of wear on tires, it also means a lot of braking along the way.
Overheated brakes can happen in the best times of the year but it can be exaggerated
during the summer. I am sure that it is possible to make a spoke wheel
with durable bearings and a decent brake set up but it is difficult to match the
wear with a tread that contacts 1/3 the surface. Tire and brake wear on my
last Cessna here was extreme. With my schedule and metal skills (or lack therof
: ) It is easier to go with an off the shelf set up to ensure good operation
and easy repair/replacement. It is also fairly common to have the tower ask
for "expedited arrival" as we have straight in jet traffic as well as turboprop
traffic. It is common to fly the pattern throttled up at 100 mph and carrier
land with speed and yet make the first ramp to clear the runway for the G4 up
your arse. I am not thrilled about this but it is just the way it is here. Don't
feel too sad for me though as other parts of flying in Arizona more than
make up for the airport hassles.
Take care,
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: more on deck angle and landing gears |
Sorry I meant 115 (Not 150). : ) Heck, even I would move if that was the temp.
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions |
A few pix of my "improved" gear. Forgot what the tread is....I think it's 60".
The springs are bushed with UHMW and give me the ability to vary spring rate via
bicycle shock springs in 50# increments. I think I have a 400# and a 500# on
each side now. In doing it over again, I would move both the upper and lower
attach points as far for and aft as possible.
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| Subject: | leaf springs for tailwheels |
Bryan,
I started with one leaf spring and it wasn't enough resistance. Too much b
ounce and
my tailwheel steering cables were slapping the fuselage bottom. I added a
second
leaf and the ride was much more stable in addition to the fact that if you
only have
one leaf spring and it breaks....your tailwheel will damage your rudder or
more.
(I had one spring break on me at the 200 hour mark and thankfully the secon
d spring saved the day)
A J-3 setup I believe has 3 springs which may be too stiff a ride as the ta
ilwheel weight on a Cub
is generally heavier than most Pietenpols but you can see how it works out.
I'm running a 6" diameter tailwheel I picked up from Wicks.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA |
Jack
Being on the EAA Board of Directors, I can tell you that this article is not
entirely correct. Also since I am involved, I can't talk about (at this
time) details other than we are asking a couple of news agencys to correct
these botched reports like this one. EAA is a great organization and as a
result I have given them a lot of my time for the past 20 years. Serving on
the Board will give you a different outlook on what is involved to have this
organization keep fighting every day to keep our flying freedoms. Sometimes
this economy dictates that the organization must not spend more that it
takes in (unlike our government) but the process of action that is stated in
this article is not correct.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA
Fellow Pietenpol Enthusiasts:
The EAA, in the manner of all large, multi-national corporations, has issued
pink slips to about 30 folks in Oshkosh, including Steve Buss, who very
effectively ran the Young Eagles program, and Jim Koepnick, one of the best
aerial photographers in the world. Apparently Jim didn't take enough photos
of warbirds, or of middle-aged men wearing Nomex flight suits.
I believe I've been to my last AirVenture. It's gotten too expensive, and
it simply isn't as much fun as it used to be. I'll just keep going to
Brodhead and Triple Tree and other Fun fly-ins, where the emphasis is on
airplanes, not money.
Here's an article about it:
http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpid
=enews011312
<http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpi
d=enews011312&spPodID=030> &spPodID=030
I would drop my membership to EAA except that I am a Technical Counselor for
my local chapter, and despite the idiots in Oshkosh, our local chapter is
actually building airplanes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA |
Wow.
Just curious as to how a move like that would/could strengthen the organization.
In my mind, one of the best things about Sport Aviation magazine is the talented
photography of Jim Koepnick. Every issue seems to have "once in a lifetime"
type photos taken by Jim (every month). Another head scratcher would be the
decision to eliminate the electronic publications department. In recent years,
EAA has made lots of useful information available electronically. For instance,
after ceasing publication of the printed version of The Experimenter, it was
brought back in electronic form (only). I assume that will no longer be published.
And providing EAA members with access (through the website) to the full
catalogue of back issues of Sport Aviation, in my mind, is practically worth
the annual dues. I hope they are not going to put an end to that. And the Homebuilders
Help videos are a very useful tool as well.
I think the most puzzling statement is the following:
"EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski stressed that the changes were made to move the organization
forward to better serve EAAs members and that they were not made as
a cost-cutting measure."
Please.
How are the members going to be better served, if services are canceled, and fewer
people will be left to provide the services that remain? And I find it a little
hard to believe that the laying off of a group of 30 employees is not a
cost-cutting measure. Are we then expected to believe that those 30 employees
suddenly stopped performing their duties adequately? Why not just be honest, and
say that expenses needed to be cut in order to survive?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | 2.5 hour Piet DVD available |
For years I've had an old VHS tape that I dubbed and then dubbed to DV
D's that shows the
building and flying of my Pietenpol. I haven't had DVD's available for a
year now because
the tape basically wore out but a local shop salvaged (with a moderate amou
nt of tracking 'snow' in spots)
it and I had a run of 50 made.
The first 45 minutes shows a complete walk around of finished airplane. Ne
xt we do some fun flying
scenes over the farmland south of Cleveland, Ohio. Finally show photos and
video of my construction,
photos of other Piets, 1st flight, some of early Brodhead events, 1st time
with the plane at Oshkosh,
and more.
If interested please send a check (don't do Paypal) to Michael Cuy, 16465
Heather Lane, Middleburg Hts. OH
44130. $25 which includes 1st Class shipping. Again, there are portio
ns of the DVD that DOES have snow and it
can be a bit distracting but overall the production is fine.
Warning: Watching this DVD can induce drowsiness to non-airplane people.
If you're lucky the DVD might even
clear out the room for you. This DVD can be used to make uninvited visit
ors, in-laws, outlaws, or people who just
don't know when to go home actually go home.
Thank you,
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: leaf springs for tailwheels |
Mike,
Thank you. I had not yet thought about no backup if single leaf failed.
The drawing is fantastic. I had been trying to figure out what the best mounting
method would be. I am glad you sent it as I was getting ready to beef it
up more and add unnecessary weight.
Thanks,
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available |
This is a heads-up to all the "newbies" out there.
If you haven't seen, or don't already own a copy of Mike's DVD, you should pop
a check in the mail and get yourself one. There are lots of helpful pointers,
and inside looks at how these planes go together, as well as things to watch for
and pay attention to when building. And there's also a section of footage shot
at Brodhead from a few years back. And then, there's the flying scenes. If
you get stalled in your building process, just pop the DVD in the player and
watch the flying scenes, and you'll be inspired to go back to the workshop and
get going again. Well worth the price of admission. (and also very useful for
non-Pietenpol builders as a cure for insomnia)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: more on deck angle and landing gears |
Bryan,
I guess you're talking about surface temperatures, not air temperatures. That's
a different story. But I'd be cautious regarding the Piet's climbing abilities
at 120 air temps.
And you will probably have a bit of difficulty flying the pattern at 100mph in
a Piet... you'd most likely have to be in a dive to achieve that speed. And then
if you plan to use brakes to slow down on the ground, you might find yourself
testing out the functionality of your safety harness system, and looking at
the world from a different perspective. Just sayin'.
Are there no smaller, more GA friendly strips around your area?
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA |
Fellow Piet People,=0A-=0AI agree with Jack concerning the local Chapters
. That is where we keep the spirit-and enthusiasm of aviation alive. =0AO
ur chapter, 64, at CPS has many members building various aircraft, many buy
other experimentals and "Keep 'em Flying" (B. Kissenger). We have quite a
fleet of Flybabys flying and under construction. =0AWe also have a group of
about 12 guys-restoring a Pietenpol and 2 of those building their own Pi
ets. Sorry 'A' guys, they're all continentals.=0AWe also have many other ac
tivities including Young Eagles. We flew hundreds just this year.=0AAnd spe
cial events like the one-this year that can't be topped for a while.- W
e sponsered the EAA Ford Tri-Motor NC8407, at KCPS and it was a tremendous
sucess.=0AI made a short documentary of the visit. Take a look and see a go
od example of a wide main gear stance on a taildragger.- A direct link to
the video below. (produced and narrated by yours truly)=0A=0Ahttp://www.yo
utube.com/watch?v=ylLwxUDjbtQ&feature=g-upl&context=G22aed9fAUAAAAAAA
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| Subject: | Re: more on deck angle and landing gears |
Bill,
Shudder the thought. You mean my 75hp Piet won't climb like a homesick angel
with me and my 250lb friend on board??? Who do I talk to about getting my money
back on this mere mortal airplane??
Unfortunately we are very familiar with DA here. It really limits us in the summer
with the high altitude runways. I had a scare years ago at Grand Canyon
Airport with 6600ft actual and 87deg afternoon. I am quite a cowardly pilot with
high density altitude now.
I flew for years out of DVT and became accustomed to crowded airports. It really
doesn't bother me but it does take a toll on brakes and tires doing that much
taxiing. With high temps comes long runways and thus lots of taxiing. Unfortunatly
that is standard flying here.
Thanks,
Bryan
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| Subject: | Re: My Piet is out of long term storage |
In regards to the ash block, why are you canting it inward?
The plans show it parallel to the ground, but shouldn't it be perpendicular
to the axle?
The last time I was at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, I took a
close look at their Curtiss JN-4D Jenny to answer that very question.
On the Jenny, it's perpendicular.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA |
Barry,
I have tremendous respect for you as one of the few at EAA who have actually
built an airplane (which I feel should be an absolute Requirement for the
president of the organization). If you say it's good, it almost cetainly
is, but it sure doesn't sound like it.
The economy sucks, no question. But if they did this not as a cost-cutting
measure, then all these folks must have been incompetent. I have known
Steve Buss for years and can say he's many things, but incompetent is NOT
one of them. Most likely he didn't fit in with the new regime (he doesn't
fly warbirds).
It has been many years since EAA was concerned with building airplanes
registered as Experimental. If they are not concerned with homebuilt
aircraft, why should we support them? AOPA has a better lobby.
Sorry, I'm a bit bitter over this. I consider Steve Buss a friend, and he
and Jim Koepnick the best assets EAA has since they lost Jack Cox.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:00 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA
Jack
Being on the EAA Board of Directors, I can tell you that this article is not
entirely correct. Also since I am involved, I can't talk about (at this
time) details other than we are asking a couple of news agencys to correct
these botched reports like this one. EAA is a great organization and as a
result I have given them a lot of my time for the past 20 years. Serving on
the Board will give you a different outlook on what is involved to have this
organization keep fighting every day to keep our flying freedoms. Sometimes
this economy dictates that the organization must not spend more that it
takes in (unlike our government) but the process of action that is stated in
this article is not correct.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:11 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA
Fellow Pietenpol Enthusiasts:
The EAA, in the manner of all large, multi-national corporations, has issued
pink slips to about 30 folks in Oshkosh, including Steve Buss, who very
effectively ran the Young Eagles program, and Jim Koepnick, one of the best
aerial photographers in the world. Apparently Jim didn't take enough photos
of warbirds, or of middle-aged men wearing Nomex flight suits.
I believe I've been to my last AirVenture. It's gotten too expensive, and
it simply isn't as much fun as it used to be. I'll just keep going to
Brodhead and Triple Tree and other Fun fly-ins, where the emphasis is on
airplanes, not money.
Here's an article about it:
http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpid
=enews011312
<http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpi
d=enews011312&spPodID=030> &spPodID=030
I would drop my membership to EAA except that I am a Technical Counselor for
my local chapter, and despite the idiots in Oshkosh, our local chapter is
actually building airplanes.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
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| Subject: | Re: My Piet is out of long term storage |
Curt, all I can say is "Try it". I thought the same way, and made dozens of
(fortunately, Pine) "practice struts, trying to get the cuts to line up. I
could get a perfectly flush cut at the fuselage, or at the V-block, but not
both. Once I canted the V-blocks it was easy to get a good fit at both
ends.
I'll send you pictures if you wish...
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage
In regards to the ash block, why are you canting it inward?
The plans show it parallel to the ground, but shouldn't it be perpendicular
to the axle?
The last time I was at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, I took a
close look at their Curtiss JN-4D Jenny to answer that very question.
On the Jenny, it's perpendicular.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA |
Barry,
They have decided to announce to the world that they are a business. For
all it's faults it used to be a family business (with some sort of a
guiding principle). At this point it's not about experimental aviation,
it's about money. Thanks but no thanks
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Barry Davis <bed@mindspring.com> wrote:
> ** ********
> Jack
> Being on the EAA Board of Directors, I can tell you that this article is
> not entirely correct. Also since I am involved, I can't talk about (at th
is
> time) details other than we are asking a couple of news agencys to correc
t
> these botched reports like this one. EAA is a great organization and as a
> result I have given them a lot of my time for the past 20 years. Serving
on
> the Board will give you a different outlook on what is involved to have
> this organization keep fighting every day to keep our flying freedoms.
> Sometimes this economy dictates that the organization must not spend more
> that it takes in (unlike our government) but the process of action that i
s
> stated in this article is not correct.
> Barry Davis
> NX973BP
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack Phillips
> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 2:11 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA
>
> Fellow Pietenpol Enthusiasts:****
>
> ** **
>
> The EAA, in the manner of all large, multi-national corporations, has
> issued pink slips to about 30 folks in ****Oshkosh****, including Steve
> Buss, who very effectively ran the Young Eagles program, and Jim Koepnick
,
> one of the best aerial photographers in the world. Apparently Jim didn
=92t
> take enough photos of warbirds, or of middle-aged men wearing Nomex fligh
t
> suits.****
>
> ** **
>
> I believe I=92ve been to my last AirVenture. It=92s gotten too expensive
, and
> it simply isn=92t as much fun as it used to be. I=92ll just keep going t
o
> Brodhead and Triple Tree and other Fun fly-ins, where the emphasis is on
> airplanes, not money.****
>
> ** **
>
> Here=92s an article about it:
> http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cm
pid=enews011312&spPodID=030
> ****
>
> ** **
>
> I would drop my membership to EAA except that I am a Technical Counselor
> for my local chapter, and despite the idiots in ****Oshkosh****, our
> local chapter is actually building airplanes.****
>
> ** **
>
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>
> NX899JP****
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| Subject: | Re: My Piet is out of long term storage |
Curt,
Doesn't seem logical, but I believe that's the way they're supposed to be.
See the attached clip from the FGM drawings. As you can see in the circled areas,
the blocks appear to be drawn canted towards the tail.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: more on deck angle and landing gears |
The airplane was designed by a man living on the beautiful flat ground of
the middle west. You want to fly it in the mountains, that's your problem.
As much as you like the Piet, if it does not suit your situation, then find
something more appropriate
do not archive
On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bryan Reed <reed44@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bill,
>
> Shudder the thought. You mean my 75hp Piet won't climb like a homesick
> angel with me and my 250lb friend on board??? Who do I talk to about
> getting my money back on this mere mortal airplane??
>
> Unfortunately we are very familiar with DA here. It really limits us in
> the summer with the high altitude runways. I had a scare years ago at Grand
> Canyon Airport with 6600ft actual and 87deg afternoon. I am quite a
> cowardly pilot with high density altitude now.
>
> I flew for years out of DVT and became accustomed to crowded airports. It
> really doesn't bother me but it does take a toll on brakes and tires doing
> that much taxiing. With high temps comes long runways and thus lots of
> taxiing. Unfortunatly that is standard flying here.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bryan
>
> --------
> Working Piet N5289B
>
> While I may not always be right, I apologize well.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363656#363656
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: My Piet is out of long term storage |
Curt,
Fortunately I benefited from the advice of Mike Cuy and Jack Phillips. They
both revealed to me that in order to make that straight-axle gear work out
, the ash blocks had to "aim" back at the tailwheel bracket in order to fit
together geometrically. This was of course before Chris Tracy posted his h
ow-to on Westcoastpiet.com.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Piet2112 <curtdm@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 5:36 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage
In regards to the ash block, why are you canting it inward?
he plans show it parallel to the ground, but shouldn't it be perpendicular
o the axle?
The last time I was at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, I took a
lose look at their Curtiss JN-4D Jenny to answer that very question.
n the Jenny, it's perpendicular.
Curt Merdan
lower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: My Piet is out of long term storage |
Looking at the gear plans that I have from the Pietenpol family, the ash bl
ocks are NOT parallel to the ground.- The SIDE view of the gear shows the
blocks pointed up some towards the rear,- with a note: "This angle shoul
d meet the tail skid". Again, this is a side view.- There is no reference
as to if this angle is with the plane on the ground, (deck angle) or in fl
ight. (level) On the front view, very similar to the attachment Bill C. pos
ted, the way the drawing looks, the blocks MAY also angle towards the tail
and are not parallel to each other. However, since the measurement shows a
distance of 42.5" between the ash blocks with NO reference as to if this is
measured from the forward or rearward-ends of the blocks, one can assume
the blocks ARE parallel to each other.-
-
Lots to interpret!
-
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: My Piet is out of long term storage |
Thank You! All your replies are what make this forum great!
Don't live vicariously through others, but learn from their excess sawdust.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA |
Just like some corporations, Organizations can lose sight of their mission and
pick up other agendas. These businesses start to be run by management for management
and not the stockholders. The EAA does a lot of great stuff. Specifically
with the Young Eagle program. The Poberezenys (SP) were pretty much benevolent
rulers who did advance avition by in large. AOPA is pretty good as well.
ABS has had some rough and tumble politics this last couple of years but still
seems to be focused.
Some Orgs that have wandered at times: IMHO
The NRA for a while drifted away from it's mission gun rights and support for gun
owners into a very right leaning organization on all issues. After alienating
many moderate members, it seems to be focused again.
The "nonprofit" AARP is actually a "for-profit" that is run as a business with
a tiny non-profit foundation. I won't deal with them.
Some VFW posts are bastions of Right wing politics. "If you are a Vet you must
be a right thinking American!" Their mission is honoring the dead, Supporting
military comrades,widows and patriotism.
In the military, we call this mission creep. IE We went into Somalia to make sure
that humanitarian aid was reaching those who needed it and not being stolen
by the warlords. Then we started to try to catch the warlords, then we thought
we would build a government. Ended up being a failure.
In the former Yugoslavia we went in to stop the killing, then we started to nation
build and peacekeep. That mission has been a success. Not all mission creep
is bad.
It is difficult to determine what happens when the leadership starts making big
paychecks.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA
> Barry,
>
> They have decided to announce to the world that they are a
> business. For
> all it's faults it used to be a family business (with some sort of a
> guiding principle). At this point it's not about experimental
> aviation,it's about money. Thanks but no thanks
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Barry Davis < wrote:
>
> > ** ********
> > Jack
> > Being on the EAA Board of Directors, I can tell you that this article is
> > not entirely correct. Also since I am involved, I can't talk about (at this
> > time) details other than we are asking a couple of news agencys to correct
> > these botched reports like this one. EAA is a great organization and as a
> > result I have given them a lot of my time for the past 20 years. Serving on
> > the Board will give you a different outlook on what is involved to have
> > this organization keep fighting every day to keep our flying freedoms.
> > Sometimes this economy dictates that the organization must not spend more
> > that it takes in (unlike our government) but the process of action that is
> > stated in this article is not correct.
> > Barry Davis
> > NX973BP
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack Phillips
> > *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 2:11 PM
> > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA
> >
> > Fellow Pietenpol Enthusiasts:****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > The EAA, in the manner of all large, multi-national corporations, has
> > issued pink slips to about 30 folks in ****Oshkosh****, including Steve
> > Buss, who very effectively ran the Young Eagles program, and Jim Koepnick,
> > one of the best aerial photographers in the world. Apparently Jim didnt
> > take enough photos of warbirds, or of middle-aged men wearing Nomex flight
> > suits.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I believe Ive been to my last AirVenture. Its gotten too expensive, and
> > it simply isnt as much fun as it used to be. Ill just keep going to
> > Brodhead and Triple Tree and other Fun fly-ins, where the emphasis is on
> > airplanes, not money.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Heres an article about it:
> > http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpid=enews011312&spPodID=030
> > ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I would drop my membership to EAA except that I am a Technical Counselor
> > for my local chapter, and despite the idiots in ****Oshkosh****, our
> > local chapter is actually building airplanes.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Jack Phillips****
> >
> > NX899JP****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *
> >
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I made a brass piece and bolted it on to cover the end of the cam (with a g
asket under the brass). I had to notch my wood piece for the cam cover=2C
but I did not want it leaking. Genedo not archive
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling
> From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com
> Date: Fri=2C 13 Jan 2012 05:32:04 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
om>
>
> totally...Gene...
> it was funny to me..jab away..
> I had another thought..
> the end of the camshaft is covered by the wood disk..and it does leak a b
it when its running if not covered
> did you guys put something over the camshaft ?.. i was thinking the wood
disk and a gasket bolted to the engine took care of that...
> and the cowl attached to the wood
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363569#363569
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| Subject: | Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available |
I'll second that! I quite literally wore mine out....can only pass that
needle over it so many times...;-)
Gary from Cool
NX308MB
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available
This is a heads-up to all the "newbies" out there.
If you haven't seen, or don't already own a copy of Mike's DVD, you should
pop a check in the mail and get yourself one. There are lots of helpful
pointers, and inside looks at how these planes go together, as well as
things to watch for and pay attention to when building. And there's also a
section of footage shot at Brodhead from a few years back. And then, there's
the flying scenes. If you get stalled in your building process, just pop the
DVD in the player and watch the flying scenes, and you'll be inspired to go
back to the workshop and get going again. Well worth the price of admission.
(and also very useful for non-Pietenpol builders as a cure for insomnia)
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: My Piet is out of long term storage |
Set up is simple...tie 2 strings to the tail post and extend each one to the
forward end of the blocks. That's the angle you need.
Gary from Cool
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage
In regards to the ash block, why are you canting it inward?
The plans show it parallel to the ground, but shouldn't it be perpendicular
to the axle?
The last time I was at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, I took a
close look at their Curtiss JN-4D Jenny to answer that very question.
On the Jenny, it's perpendicular.
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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They will definitely leak oil from the cam bearing if you don't make a
cover plate for the end of the cam. Dad and I started our first A
conversion with no cover plate, and I ended up being covered with oil
within about 15 seconds of starting. Lately I have noticed that many of
the car guys go so far as to shorten the rear (car) camshaft bearing and
install an expansion plug (freeze plug)to ensure no leaks (despite the
fact that they still have a gasket and flywheel housing). That might be a
good idea for an aircraft conversion, but I can't bring myself to put my
new $400 cam in the lathe and turn the last half inch into chips. I think
I'll stick with a cover plate.
Brett
On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:14:24 -0500, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
>
> I made a brass piece and bolted it on to cover the end of the cam (with
> a gasket under the brass). I had to notch my wood piece for the cam
> cover, but I did not want it leaking. Genedo not archive
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling
>> From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com
>> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:32:04 -0800
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>
>> <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>>
>> totally...Gene...
>> it was funny to me..jab away..
>> I had another thought..
>> the end of the camshaft is covered by the wood disk..and it does leak a
>> bit when its running if not covered
>> did you guys put something over the camshaft ?.. i was thinking the
>> wood disk and a gasket bolted to the engine took care of that...
>> and the cowl attached to the wood
>>
>> jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363569#363569
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Ah-ha!! We now know that Gene has a piece of brass on the front of his
engine! We also know that he used yellow and black paint! The pieces are
coming together..
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:14 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling
I made a brass piece and bolted it on to cover the end of the cam (with a
gasket under the brass). I had to notch my wood piece for the cam cover,
but I did not want it leaking.
Gene
do not archive
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling
> From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com
> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:32:04 -0800
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
<jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> totally...Gene...
> it was funny to me..jab away..
> I had another thought..
> the end of the camshaft is covered by the wood disk..and it does leak a
bit when its running if not covered
> did you guys put something over the camshaft ?.. i was thinking the wood
disk and a gasket bolted to the engine took care of that...
> and the cowl attached to the wood
>
> jeff
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363569#363569
>
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thanks guys..
so you covered the cam and the wood is not bolted to the engine after the cowl
is made... its making more sense now
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: My Piet is out of long term storage |
Look closer. The measurement IS at the front and
the blocks ARE angled inwards. I found, as I was
making mine that in order to fit cleanly with both
front and rear legs the block automatically aims at
the tail. I didn't realize any of this until after I had
designed and installed my jig. Fortunately I had the
forsight to use clamps instead of screwing it all
together. That came in handy, especially when it
came to fitting the ash block to both the front and
rear leg. The draftsman assumed that whoever
was making this gear would simply fit the block to
the legs. No need to clutter the drawing with another
bunch of lines and numbers.
http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol3.html
Clif
On the front view, very similar to the attachment Bill C. posted, the
way the drawing looks, the blocks MAY also angle towards the tail and
are not parallel to each other. However, since the measurement shows a
distance of 42.5" between the ash blocks with NO reference as to if this
is measured from the forward or rearward ends of the blocks, one can
assume the blocks ARE parallel to each other. Lots to interpret!
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: making the landing gear wider than plans |
Thanks for all the help guys!
I had originally thought the wood gear was what I was gonna build, but I rea
lly decided that was due to fear of metal work, so I am gonna push through t
hat.
I thought the amount of extra width on your gear was a bit more than 6" Mike
, but I had no real reason to think that so I am glad I'm glad I checked. I s
pent time tonight sketching out a parts order. I am MOST squirmish about the
metal stuff. Once I get started it'll be ok, but it's unfamiliar territory.
Thanks for the input. I'll look forward to your measurements!
Mark
Sent from my iPad
On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> My gear is 54.5=9D wide at the V-Blocks, with 6=9D hubs and Cl
eveland brakes, which puts the center of each tire about 6=99 apart. I
=99m in Raleigh now and the plane is at Smith Mountain Lake, but I
=99ll measure it the next time I=99m there (in about a week).
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSP
ACE CORP]
> Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:30 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: making the landing gear wider than plans
>
> Mark, group=94I don=99t recall how much wider I made my gear s
tance than plans but could measure
> it next time I=99m at the hangar. (a rough guess puts it at 6
=9D wider than plans) Not only do I like the look of
> the wider gear stance (Jack Phillips look is similar as his gear is wider t
oo) but it gives you more footing
> in strong crosswinds.
>
> Mike C.
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions |
Thank you for those pic's! That helps a lot. I think moving the attach points further
apart makes good sense too.
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On Jan 13, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "899PM" <rockriverrifle@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> A few pix of my "improved" gear. Forgot what the tread is....I think it's 60".
The springs are bushed with UHMW and give me the ability to vary spring rate
via bicycle shock springs in 50# increments. I think I have a 400# and a 500#
on each side now. In doing it over again, I would move both the upper and lower
attach points as far for and aft as possible.
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