---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/13/12: 54 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:50 AM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (Jack) 2. 01:58 AM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (Gene Rambo) 3. 05:34 AM - Re: "A" cowling (bender) 4. 05:38 AM - Re: "A" cowling (bender) 5. 06:20 AM - so encouraging!!! (Douwe Blumberg) 6. 06:32 AM - making the landing gear wider than plans (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 7. 06:52 AM - Re: Painting/re-painting (Ozarkflyer) 8. 07:16 AM - Re: so encouraging!!! (Michael Perez) 9. 07:26 AM - Re: making the landing gear wider than plans (Michael Perez) 10. 07:51 AM - more on deck angle and landing gears (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 11. 07:54 AM - shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 12. 08:07 AM - Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share (John Hofmann) 13. 08:10 AM - Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share (Gboothe5) 14. 08:17 AM - Re: "A" cowling (l.morlock) 15. 08:23 AM - Re: "A" cowling (l.morlock) 16. 08:29 AM - Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share (dgaldrich) 17. 08:30 AM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bryan Reed) 18. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Chris) 19. 08:51 AM - Re: Re: Painting/re-painting (H. Marvin Haught) 20. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share (Ryan Mueller) 21. 09:46 AM - Re: making the landing gear wider than plans (Jack Phillips) 22. 10:35 AM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bill Church) 23. 11:13 AM - Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Jack Phillips) 24. 11:27 AM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bryan Reed) 25. 11:29 AM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bryan Reed) 26. 11:45 AM - Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions (899PM) 27. 11:51 AM - leaf springs for tailwheels (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 28. 11:59 AM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Barry Davis) 29. 12:13 PM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Bill Church) 30. 12:15 PM - 2.5 hour Piet DVD available (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 31. 12:17 PM - Re: leaf springs for tailwheels (Bryan Reed) 32. 12:47 PM - Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available (Bill Church) 33. 01:24 PM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bill Church) 34. 01:26 PM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (jeff wilson) 35. 02:16 PM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bryan Reed) 36. 03:36 PM - Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Piet2112) 37. 03:45 PM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Jack Phillips) 38. 03:48 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Jack Phillips) 39. 03:54 PM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Ryan Mueller) 40. 04:03 PM - Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Bill Church) 41. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Ryan Mueller) 42. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (helspersew@aol.com) 43. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Michael Perez) 44. 04:41 PM - Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Piet2112) 45. 04:55 PM - Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 46. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (Gene Rambo) 47. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available (Gboothe5) 48. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Gboothe5) 49. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (Brett Phillips) 50. 06:41 PM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (Gboothe5) 51. 08:05 PM - Re: "A" cowling (bender) 52. 08:27 PM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Clif Dawson) 53. 11:18 PM - Re: making the landing gear wider than plans (Mark Roberts) 54. 11:25 PM - Re: Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:50:49 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling Rick, thanks for pointing that video out. It's super, Grant did a great job! Jack DSM NX1929T Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RickBright Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling Not sure if this helps, there is a YouTube video titled " Howard Henderson's Model A Ford Powered Pientenpol", at 1.09 into the video it shows how he attached the sheet metal. I don't even have my plans yet so I have no idea what they show and not sure if this will help you. It just looked to me the way Howard did it is a pretty neat job, if this is what you are looking for..... Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363546#363546 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:58:55 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling The read the plans was a humorous jab. It is there on my plans=2C but take s some digging to find it. I hope it was taken that way!! Genedo not archi ve > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling > From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com > Date: Thu=2C 12 Jan 2012 15:52:11 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > thanks guys... > i think i've got it now.. > come on Gene..."read the plans " ?? i've looked over my plans a thousand times...its the most read magazine i have from 1932...its just not there > > jeff > > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363430#363430 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling From: "bender" totally...Gene... it was funny to me..jab away.. I had another thought.. the end of the camshaft is covered by the wood disk..and it does leak a bit when its running if not covered did you guys put something over the camshaft ?.. i was thinking the wood disk and a gasket bolted to the engine took care of that... and the cowl attached to the wood jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363569#363569 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling From: "bender" that looks just like the photos of the scout in the '33 magazine.. i usually check the sky scout drawings to clarify stuff i get confused about..they are better drawings of most of the same stuff thanks for the video link jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363570#363570 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:46 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: so encouraging!!! It's great to hear of all these Piets coming together all of a sudden? Especially some new Fords!!! Very cool!!! And very encouraging!!! Welcome back John Greenlee! I loved pics of your plane and always was hoping you'd brush her off and get her going again. Regarding the wood disc in Ford cowlings, I did mine like Gene. Easy-peasey. Back to the shop, building the exhaust/shroud/muffler system for the new c-90 installation. Maybe I get run her up soon! Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:51 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: making the landing gear wider than plans TWFyaywgZ3JvdXDigJRJIGRvbuKAmXQgcmVjYWxsIGhvdyBtdWNoIHdpZGVyIEkgbWFkZSBteSBn ZWFyIHN0YW5jZSB0aGFuIHBsYW5zIGJ1dCBjb3VsZCBtZWFzdXJlDQppdCBuZXh0IHRpbWUgSeKA mW0gYXQgdGhlIGhhbmdhci4gICAoYSByb3VnaCBndWVzcyBwdXRzIGl0IGF0IDbigJ0gd2lkZXIg dGhhbiBwbGFucykgICBOb3Qgb25seSBkbyBJIGxpa2UgdGhlIGxvb2sgb2YNCnRoZSB3aWRlciBn ZWFyIHN0YW5jZSAoSmFjayBQaGlsbGlwcyBsb29rIGlzIHNpbWlsYXIgYXMgaGlzIGdlYXIgaXMg d2lkZXIgdG9vKSBidXQgaXQgZ2l2ZXMgeW91IG1vcmUgZm9vdGluZw0KaW4gc3Ryb25nIGNyb3Nz d2luZHMuDQoNCk1pa2UgQy4NCg0KW2NpZDppbWFnZTAwMS5qcGdAMDFDQ0QxRDUuRUREMkRCQzBd DQoNCg0KDQo ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:56 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting/re-painting From: "Ozarkflyer" How much weight do you figure you'll add? Negligible? -------- DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363579#363579 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:55 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: so encouraging!!! AHHHHH! Douwe, did you say C-90!?- If you know any others for sale please let me know. That's my engine of choice! (After a radial, of course!) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:26 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: making the landing gear wider than plans Mike C. inspired me to make my gear wider as well for the reasons he alread y stated. The 6" sounds right...the plans show 42-1/2" wide on the inside o f the ash blocks. (Wood gear plans, obviously.) I believe mine ended up bei ng 48". If you incorporate brakes, the wheel assemblies may be out even fur ther to allow for the brakes, making the overall stance wider still. - Mike C., I hope you don't mind... - Mike also has a slightly lower deck angle, which I also copied. Between the wider gear and the lower deck angle, the plane has an overall look that re ally appeals to me. - Very, very glad I got to see his plane and he shared these details with me! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:36 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: more on deck angle and landing gears Mike P. makes a very good point in that the wider gear allows for (on the s traight axel) the addition of brakes and for me I wanted better visibility when in the 3-point position for landing, taxiin g, and takeoff, so I duplicated the deck angle of the Aeronca Champ I was used to flying-something like 12 degrees nose high from horizontal. I also raised my seat 2" higher than plans (to improve over-the-nose visibi lity) which was a big mistake! Too much of my upper body is exposed to t he propwash and on long flights I find myself loosening my seat belt to slip down out o f the wind some. Had I just left the seat height alone I could have added cushions to position me best height-wise. 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In fact, you may as well lay your hands out on the keyboard, as you will surely receive an internet ruler on the knuckles.any minute now. Gary from Cool NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 7:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2149313271163 &set=a.2149309671073.84691.1796307271&type=1 My Daughters company quickly becoming a major player in the Gelato business and the imported food business with her newest line of spreads under her corporate name, Zanni Foods. Do not archive unless you love great gelato and imported designer spreads John ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:43 AM PST US From: "l.morlock" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling Yes, the aluminum cone does overlap the cowling - kind of. I attached a narrow strip of aluminum around the back side of the wood disk with screws, riveted the cone to that, then used rivnuts to attach the side panels to the strip, so I can take the side panels off without removing the cone. That makes the side panels flush with the cone. Hope that explanation makes sense. But I probably did it the hard way. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling Larry, It looks like your aluminum cone overlaps your cowling? My cowling actually overlaps my cone. Maybe I did it the hard way. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: l.morlock To: pietenpol-list Sent: Thu, Jan 12, 2012 2:40 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling Jeff, here's a picture of my cowling up in Columbus. I have a wood disk, but it floats on the front of the engine, not attached. The two studs in the front of the engine to locate the flywheel housing are countersunk into the wood disk, which helps give it support and keep it in position. Larry Morlock ----- Original Message ----- From: "bender" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling > > > Hey guys... > on the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to the > front of the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the > front.. > It looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to the > wood disk. > but i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west coast > piet site.. > do you guys have the wood disk?? > > is the cowl attached to the front at all?? > > I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if > there's a better way ? > > jeff > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167 > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:52 AM PST US From: "l.morlock" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling Hi, Gary. Seems like I've been "about ready to fly" for a couple of years now. Still have a number of jobs to do to finish it up - complete the rigging and coaming, mainly. I quit making promises to myself on completion dates. Also, my shop is not heated except for one little corner, so limits my time in the winter. I keep plugging, though. Larry Morlock ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gboothe5" Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling > > Larry, > > You should be about ready to fly!! > > Gary > NX308MB > Do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of l.morlock > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 12:37 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling > > Jeff, here's a picture of my cowling up in Columbus. I have a wood disk, > but it floats on the front of the engine, not attached. The two studs in > the front of the engine to locate the flywheel housing are countersunk > into > the wood disk, which helps give it support and keep it in position. > > Larry Morlock > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "bender" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:10 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: "A" cowling > > >> >> >> Hey guys... >> on the model a cowling.. the drawing shows the wood disk attached to the >> front of the engine.. then the 2 sides and bottom and a cone in the >> front.. >> It looks like the original intent was to screw the aluminum sheet to the >> wood disk. >> but i've seen the cone riveted to the sides and bottom on the west coast >> piet site.. >> do you guys have the wood disk?? >> >> is the cowl attached to the front at all?? >> >> I'm working om mine.. and am attaching to the wood disk now.. but..if >> there's a better way ? >> >> jeff >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363167#363167 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:29:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share From: "dgaldrich" No worse than the Shameless Commerce Division at Car Talk... Dave Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363595#363595 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:30:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: "Bryan Reed" As long as the list is discussing deck angles and landing gear. I am trying to get my fuse up on gear and am working on building the steel split gear. I will be using the Hegar 6" spun aluminum wheels with internal disc brakes. My question is tail wheel. I plan on ordering the Matco 6" Pneumatic tail wheel. I am going with the leaf spring set up to get the wheel back farther for more stable handling. I would like to use the light weight homebuilders leaf from ACS as weight is an issue this far back on the arm. I am concerned it is enough spring though and am thinking maybe I should just order the 3-leaf Cub spring. They don't publish any info on ACS for this spring. Anybody have any experience with it? BTW-I would have preferred the wire wheel look but here I will operate almost exclusively on 1 to 1-1/2 mile long paved runways. I will be bumping regularly with heavy iron and very active taxiways. It also can be in excess of 130 degrees on the ramp in mid summer. I have deferred looks to use a conventional set up that is proven durable with heavy braking. Thanks, Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363597#363597 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:33 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Your absolutely right Gary. The way you and Michael Perez did it is just as good. The secret to taking the pain out of constructing the wood landing gear is getting the ash block aligned correctly before cutting the gear legs. The ash block needs to be parallel to the ground when the fuselage is at the desired deck angle AND the outer edge needs to be pointing towards the tailskid/wheel. That is the secret. Fix the ash block in space then fill in the blanks with the spruce legs. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 5:03 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage John, The profile of your Piet has been on my bulletin board for close to four years! Not to diminish The Chris Tracy method, as it has a proven track record, but for a completed fuselage, you may wish to just prop up the fuselage on saw horses, until you get the desired ramp angle, and cut the legs to fit. With a table saw, it only takes a couple cuts! Gary from Cool NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage --> Here are answers to two out of your three questions: 1. Ken Perkins makes very nice wheel hubs: http://www.mykitplane.com/Planes/photoGalleryList2.cfm?AlbumID=8 and Airdrome Aeroplanes also offers them for sale: http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/heavydutywheels.html 2. Chris Tracy has a well documented description of setting up and building his wooden gear at his superb website: http://westcoastpiet.com/wood_gear_construction.htm Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363221#363221 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Painting/re-painting From: "H. Marvin Haught" Well, the full fabric system weighs about 1 oz per square foot. That figure was obtained by weighing the practice panels from participants in a Stewart's system workshop I did here at my place year before last. The actual average was 1.04 oz per square foot. Let's say that half that weight is primer and paint, so 1/2 oz per sf. double the area of your wing, and calculated the area of your fuselage and that should give you an idea. By my calculations, it will add about 35 pounds to the weight of my Pacer. M. Haught On Jan 13, 2012, at 8:50 AM, Ozarkflyer wrote: > > How much weight do you figure you'll add? Negligible? > > -------- > DO NOT ARCHIVE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363579#363579 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: shameless advertising off topic but wanted to share From: Ryan Mueller No worse than advertising your pointless blog :) Ryan do not archive On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 10:27 AM, dgaldrich wrote: > dgaldrich@embarqmail.com> > > No worse than the Shameless Commerce Division at Car Talk... > > Dave > > Do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363595#363595 > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:14 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: making the landing gear wider than plans My gear is 54.5" wide at the V-Blocks, with 6" hubs and Cleveland brakes, which puts the center of each tire about 6' apart. I'm in Raleigh now and the plane is at Smith Mountain Lake, but I'll measure it the next time I'm there (in about a week). Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: making the landing gear wider than plans Mark, group-I don't recall how much wider I made my gear stance than plans but could measure it next time I'm at the hangar. (a rough guess puts it at 6" wider than plans) Not only do I like the look of the wider gear stance (Jack Phillips look is similar as his gear is wider too) but it gives you more footing in strong crosswinds. Mike C. gear-garage.jpg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: "Bill Church" Sorry, no practical experience with leaf springs to share. But I'm curious about your statement regarding wire wheels. What difference would wire wheels vs others make if you're operating on a long runway. And what difference does the temperature make? Bill C. PS "in excess of 130 degrees" ??? Really? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363621#363621 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:57 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA Fellow Pietenpol Enthusiasts: The EAA, in the manner of all large, multi-national corporations, has issued pink slips to about 30 folks in Oshkosh, including Steve Buss, who very effectively ran the Young Eagles program, and Jim Koepnick, one of the best aerial photographers in the world. Apparently Jim didn't take enough photos of warbirds, or of middle-aged men wearing Nomex flight suits. I believe I've been to my last AirVenture. It's gotten too expensive, and it simply isn't as much fun as it used to be. I'll just keep going to Brodhead and Triple Tree and other Fun fly-ins, where the emphasis is on airplanes, not money. Here's an article about it: http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpid =enews011312 &spPodID=030 I would drop my membership to EAA except that I am a Technical Counselor for my local chapter, and despite the idiots in Oshkosh, our local chapter is actually building airplanes. Jack Phillips NX899JP ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: "Bryan Reed" Bill wrote: "PS "in excess of 130 degrees" ??? Really?" Bill, Unfortunately yes. When outside temps hit 150 to 120 the blacktop can really heat up. With the long runways comes a long taxi as well as hangar complexes moved further from the runways. It is not unusual to taxi 1-1/2 miles to the hold short line. At peak times there may be 20-deep on the taxi ways. Not only is this a lot of miles of wear on tires, it also means a lot of braking along the way. Overheated brakes can happen in the best times of the year but it can be exaggerated during the summer. I am sure that it is possible to make a spoke wheel with durable bearings and a decent brake set up but it is difficult to match the wear with a tread that contacts 1/3 the surface. Tire and brake wear on my last Cessna here was extreme. With my schedule and metal skills (or lack therof : ) It is easier to go with an off the shelf set up to ensure good operation and easy repair/replacement. It is also fairly common to have the tower ask for "expedited arrival" as we have straight in jet traffic as well as turboprop traffic. It is common to fly the pattern throttled up at 100 mph and carrier land with speed and yet make the first ramp to clear the runway for the G4 up your arse. I am not thrilled about this but it is just the way it is here. Don't feel too sad for me though as other parts of flying in Arizona more than make up for the airport hassles. Take care, Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363628#363628 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: "Bryan Reed" Sorry I meant 115 (Not 150). : ) Heck, even I would move if that was the temp. Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363629#363629 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions From: "899PM" A few pix of my "improved" gear. Forgot what the tread is....I think it's 60". The springs are bushed with UHMW and give me the ability to vary spring rate via bicycle shock springs in 50# increments. I think I have a 400# and a 500# on each side now. In doing it over again, I would move both the upper and lower attach points as far for and aft as possible. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363630#363630 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4157_573.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4158_309.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4167_224.jpg ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:24 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: leaf springs for tailwheels Bryan, I started with one leaf spring and it wasn't enough resistance. Too much b ounce and my tailwheel steering cables were slapping the fuselage bottom. I added a second leaf and the ride was much more stable in addition to the fact that if you only have one leaf spring and it breaks....your tailwheel will damage your rudder or more. (I had one spring break on me at the 200 hour mark and thankfully the secon d spring saved the day) A J-3 setup I believe has 3 springs which may be too stiff a ride as the ta ilwheel weight on a Cub is generally heavier than most Pietenpols but you can see how it works out. I'm running a 6" diameter tailwheel I picked up from Wicks. Mike C. [cid:image003.jpg@01CCD202.5B33A2E0] ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:15 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA Jack Being on the EAA Board of Directors, I can tell you that this article is not entirely correct. Also since I am involved, I can't talk about (at this time) details other than we are asking a couple of news agencys to correct these botched reports like this one. EAA is a great organization and as a result I have given them a lot of my time for the past 20 years. Serving on the Board will give you a different outlook on what is involved to have this organization keep fighting every day to keep our flying freedoms. Sometimes this economy dictates that the organization must not spend more that it takes in (unlike our government) but the process of action that is stated in this article is not correct. Barry Davis NX973BP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA Fellow Pietenpol Enthusiasts: The EAA, in the manner of all large, multi-national corporations, has issued pink slips to about 30 folks in Oshkosh, including Steve Buss, who very effectively ran the Young Eagles program, and Jim Koepnick, one of the best aerial photographers in the world. Apparently Jim didn't take enough photos of warbirds, or of middle-aged men wearing Nomex flight suits. I believe I've been to my last AirVenture. It's gotten too expensive, and it simply isn't as much fun as it used to be. I'll just keep going to Brodhead and Triple Tree and other Fun fly-ins, where the emphasis is on airplanes, not money. Here's an article about it: http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpid =enews011312 &spPodID=030 I would drop my membership to EAA except that I am a Technical Counselor for my local chapter, and despite the idiots in Oshkosh, our local chapter is actually building airplanes. Jack Phillips NX899JP ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 12:13:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA From: "Bill Church" Wow. Just curious as to how a move like that would/could strengthen the organization. In my mind, one of the best things about Sport Aviation magazine is the talented photography of Jim Koepnick. Every issue seems to have "once in a lifetime" type photos taken by Jim (every month). Another head scratcher would be the decision to eliminate the electronic publications department. In recent years, EAA has made lots of useful information available electronically. For instance, after ceasing publication of the printed version of The Experimenter, it was brought back in electronic form (only). I assume that will no longer be published. And providing EAA members with access (through the website) to the full catalogue of back issues of Sport Aviation, in my mind, is practically worth the annual dues. I hope they are not going to put an end to that. And the Homebuilders Help videos are a very useful tool as well. I think the most puzzling statement is the following: "EAA spokesman Dick Knapinski stressed that the changes were made to move the organization forward to better serve EAAs members and that they were not made as a cost-cutting measure." Please. How are the members going to be better served, if services are canceled, and fewer people will be left to provide the services that remain? And I find it a little hard to believe that the laying off of a group of 30 employees is not a cost-cutting measure. Are we then expected to believe that those 30 employees suddenly stopped performing their duties adequately? Why not just be honest, and say that expenses needed to be cut in order to survive? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363636#363636 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 12:15:45 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available For years I've had an old VHS tape that I dubbed and then dubbed to DV D's that shows the building and flying of my Pietenpol. I haven't had DVD's available for a year now because the tape basically wore out but a local shop salvaged (with a moderate amou nt of tracking 'snow' in spots) it and I had a run of 50 made. The first 45 minutes shows a complete walk around of finished airplane. Ne xt we do some fun flying scenes over the farmland south of Cleveland, Ohio. Finally show photos and video of my construction, photos of other Piets, 1st flight, some of early Brodhead events, 1st time with the plane at Oshkosh, and more. If interested please send a check (don't do Paypal) to Michael Cuy, 16465 Heather Lane, Middleburg Hts. OH 44130. $25 which includes 1st Class shipping. Again, there are portio ns of the DVD that DOES have snow and it can be a bit distracting but overall the production is fine. Warning: Watching this DVD can induce drowsiness to non-airplane people. If you're lucky the DVD might even clear out the room for you. This DVD can be used to make uninvited visit ors, in-laws, outlaws, or people who just don't know when to go home actually go home. Thank you, Mike C. ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leaf springs for tailwheels From: "Bryan Reed" Mike, Thank you. I had not yet thought about no backup if single leaf failed. The drawing is fantastic. I had been trying to figure out what the best mounting method would be. I am glad you sent it as I was getting ready to beef it up more and add unnecessary weight. Thanks, Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363637#363637 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available From: "Bill Church" This is a heads-up to all the "newbies" out there. If you haven't seen, or don't already own a copy of Mike's DVD, you should pop a check in the mail and get yourself one. There are lots of helpful pointers, and inside looks at how these planes go together, as well as things to watch for and pay attention to when building. And there's also a section of footage shot at Brodhead from a few years back. And then, there's the flying scenes. If you get stalled in your building process, just pop the DVD in the player and watch the flying scenes, and you'll be inspired to go back to the workshop and get going again. Well worth the price of admission. (and also very useful for non-Pietenpol builders as a cure for insomnia) Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363640#363640 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:24:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: "Bill Church" Bryan, I guess you're talking about surface temperatures, not air temperatures. That's a different story. But I'd be cautious regarding the Piet's climbing abilities at 120 air temps. And you will probably have a bit of difficulty flying the pattern at 100mph in a Piet... you'd most likely have to be in a dive to achieve that speed. And then if you plan to use brakes to slow down on the ground, you might find yourself testing out the functionality of your safety harness system, and looking at the world from a different perspective. Just sayin'. Are there no smaller, more GA friendly strips around your area? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363647#363647 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:02 PM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA Fellow Piet People,=0A-=0AI agree with Jack concerning the local Chapters . That is where we keep the spirit-and enthusiasm of aviation alive. =0AO ur chapter, 64, at CPS has many members building various aircraft, many buy other experimentals and "Keep 'em Flying" (B. Kissenger). We have quite a fleet of Flybabys flying and under construction. =0AWe also have a group of about 12 guys-restoring a Pietenpol and 2 of those building their own Pi ets. Sorry 'A' guys, they're all continentals.=0AWe also have many other ac tivities including Young Eagles. We flew hundreds just this year.=0AAnd spe cial events like the one-this year that can't be topped for a while.- W e sponsered the EAA Ford Tri-Motor NC8407, at KCPS and it was a tremendous sucess.=0AI made a short documentary of the visit. Take a look and see a go od example of a wide main gear stance on a taildragger.- A direct link to the video below. (produced and narrated by yours truly)=0A=0Ahttp://www.yo utube.com/watch?v=ylLwxUDjbtQ&feature=g-upl&context=G22aed9fAUAAAAAAA ============= ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:45 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: "Bryan Reed" Bill, Shudder the thought. You mean my 75hp Piet won't climb like a homesick angel with me and my 250lb friend on board??? Who do I talk to about getting my money back on this mere mortal airplane?? Unfortunately we are very familiar with DA here. It really limits us in the summer with the high altitude runways. I had a scare years ago at Grand Canyon Airport with 6600ft actual and 87deg afternoon. I am quite a cowardly pilot with high density altitude now. I flew for years out of DVT and became accustomed to crowded airports. It really doesn't bother me but it does take a toll on brakes and tires doing that much taxiing. With high temps comes long runways and thus lots of taxiing. Unfortunatly that is standard flying here. Thanks, Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363656#363656 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage From: "Piet2112" In regards to the ash block, why are you canting it inward? The plans show it parallel to the ground, but shouldn't it be perpendicular to the axle? The last time I was at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, I took a close look at their Curtiss JN-4D Jenny to answer that very question. On the Jenny, it's perpendicular. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363665#363665 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 03:45:52 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA Barry, I have tremendous respect for you as one of the few at EAA who have actually built an airplane (which I feel should be an absolute Requirement for the president of the organization). If you say it's good, it almost cetainly is, but it sure doesn't sound like it. The economy sucks, no question. But if they did this not as a cost-cutting measure, then all these folks must have been incompetent. I have known Steve Buss for years and can say he's many things, but incompetent is NOT one of them. Most likely he didn't fit in with the new regime (he doesn't fly warbirds). It has been many years since EAA was concerned with building airplanes registered as Experimental. If they are not concerned with homebuilt aircraft, why should we support them? AOPA has a better lobby. Sorry, I'm a bit bitter over this. I consider Steve Buss a friend, and he and Jim Koepnick the best assets EAA has since they lost Jack Cox. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:00 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA Jack Being on the EAA Board of Directors, I can tell you that this article is not entirely correct. Also since I am involved, I can't talk about (at this time) details other than we are asking a couple of news agencys to correct these botched reports like this one. EAA is a great organization and as a result I have given them a lot of my time for the past 20 years. Serving on the Board will give you a different outlook on what is involved to have this organization keep fighting every day to keep our flying freedoms. Sometimes this economy dictates that the organization must not spend more that it takes in (unlike our government) but the process of action that is stated in this article is not correct. Barry Davis NX973BP _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 2:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA Fellow Pietenpol Enthusiasts: The EAA, in the manner of all large, multi-national corporations, has issued pink slips to about 30 folks in Oshkosh, including Steve Buss, who very effectively ran the Young Eagles program, and Jim Koepnick, one of the best aerial photographers in the world. Apparently Jim didn't take enough photos of warbirds, or of middle-aged men wearing Nomex flight suits. I believe I've been to my last AirVenture. It's gotten too expensive, and it simply isn't as much fun as it used to be. I'll just keep going to Brodhead and Triple Tree and other Fun fly-ins, where the emphasis is on airplanes, not money. Here's an article about it: http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpid =enews011312 &spPodID=030 I would drop my membership to EAA except that I am a Technical Counselor for my local chapter, and despite the idiots in Oshkosh, our local chapter is actually building airplanes. Jack Phillips NX899JP href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 03:48:53 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Curt, all I can say is "Try it". I thought the same way, and made dozens of (fortunately, Pine) "practice struts, trying to get the cuts to line up. I could get a perfectly flush cut at the fuselage, or at the V-block, but not both. Once I canted the V-blocks it was easy to get a good fit at both ends. I'll send you pictures if you wish... Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage In regards to the ash block, why are you canting it inward? The plans show it parallel to the ground, but shouldn't it be perpendicular to the axle? The last time I was at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, I took a close look at their Curtiss JN-4D Jenny to answer that very question. On the Jenny, it's perpendicular. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363665#363665 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 03:54:09 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA From: Ryan Mueller Barry, They have decided to announce to the world that they are a business. For all it's faults it used to be a family business (with some sort of a guiding principle). At this point it's not about experimental aviation, it's about money. Thanks but no thanks On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Barry Davis wrote: > ** ******** > Jack > Being on the EAA Board of Directors, I can tell you that this article is > not entirely correct. Also since I am involved, I can't talk about (at th is > time) details other than we are asking a couple of news agencys to correc t > these botched reports like this one. EAA is a great organization and as a > result I have given them a lot of my time for the past 20 years. Serving on > the Board will give you a different outlook on what is involved to have > this organization keep fighting every day to keep our flying freedoms. > Sometimes this economy dictates that the organization must not spend more > that it takes in (unlike our government) but the process of action that i s > stated in this article is not correct. > Barry Davis > NX973BP > > ------------------------------ > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack Phillips > *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 2:11 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA > > Fellow Pietenpol Enthusiasts:**** > > ** ** > > The EAA, in the manner of all large, multi-national corporations, has > issued pink slips to about 30 folks in ****Oshkosh****, including Steve > Buss, who very effectively ran the Young Eagles program, and Jim Koepnick , > one of the best aerial photographers in the world. Apparently Jim didn =92t > take enough photos of warbirds, or of middle-aged men wearing Nomex fligh t > suits.**** > > ** ** > > I believe I=92ve been to my last AirVenture. It=92s gotten too expensive , and > it simply isn=92t as much fun as it used to be. I=92ll just keep going t o > Brodhead and Triple Tree and other Fun fly-ins, where the emphasis is on > airplanes, not money.**** > > ** ** > > Here=92s an article about it: > http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cm pid=enews011312&spPodID=030 > **** > > ** ** > > I would drop my membership to EAA except that I am a Technical Counselor > for my local chapter, and despite the idiots in ****Oshkosh****, our > local chapter is actually building airplanes.**** > > ** ** > > Jack Phillips**** > > NX899JP**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage From: "Bill Church" Curt, Doesn't seem logical, but I believe that's the way they're supposed to be. See the attached clip from the FGM drawings. As you can see in the circled areas, the blocks appear to be drawn canted towards the tail. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363669#363669 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/canted_ash_blocks_205.jpg ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: Ryan Mueller The airplane was designed by a man living on the beautiful flat ground of the middle west. You want to fly it in the mountains, that's your problem. As much as you like the Piet, if it does not suit your situation, then find something more appropriate do not archive On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bryan Reed wrote: > > Bill, > > Shudder the thought. You mean my 75hp Piet won't climb like a homesick > angel with me and my 250lb friend on board??? Who do I talk to about > getting my money back on this mere mortal airplane?? > > Unfortunately we are very familiar with DA here. It really limits us in > the summer with the high altitude runways. I had a scare years ago at Grand > Canyon Airport with 6600ft actual and 87deg afternoon. I am quite a > cowardly pilot with high density altitude now. > > I flew for years out of DVT and became accustomed to crowded airports. It > really doesn't bother me but it does take a toll on brakes and tires doing > that much taxiing. With high temps comes long runways and thus lots of > taxiing. Unfortunatly that is standard flying here. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > -------- > Working Piet N5289B > > While I may not always be right, I apologize well. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363656#363656 > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage From: helspersew@aol.com Curt, Fortunately I benefited from the advice of Mike Cuy and Jack Phillips. They both revealed to me that in order to make that straight-axle gear work out , the ash blocks had to "aim" back at the tailwheel bracket in order to fit together geometrically. This was of course before Chris Tracy posted his h ow-to on Westcoastpiet.com. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Piet2112 Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 5:36 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage In regards to the ash block, why are you canting it inward? he plans show it parallel to the ground, but shouldn't it be perpendicular o the axle? The last time I was at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, I took a lose look at their Curtiss JN-4D Jenny to answer that very question. n the Jenny, it's perpendicular. Curt Merdan lower Mound, TX ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363665#363665 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:08 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Looking at the gear plans that I have from the Pietenpol family, the ash bl ocks are NOT parallel to the ground.- The SIDE view of the gear shows the blocks pointed up some towards the rear,- with a note: "This angle shoul d meet the tail skid". Again, this is a side view.- There is no reference as to if this angle is with the plane on the ground, (deck angle) or in fl ight. (level) On the front view, very similar to the attachment Bill C. pos ted, the way the drawing looks, the blocks MAY also angle towards the tail and are not parallel to each other. However, since the measurement shows a distance of 42.5" between the ash blocks with NO reference as to if this is measured from the forward or rearward-ends of the blocks, one can assume the blocks ARE parallel to each other.- - Lots to interpret! - Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage From: "Piet2112" Thank You! All your replies are what make this forum great! Don't live vicariously through others, but learn from their excess sawdust. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363676#363676 ________________________________ Message 45 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:36 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA Just like some corporations, Organizations can lose sight of their mission and pick up other agendas. These businesses start to be run by management for management and not the stockholders. The EAA does a lot of great stuff. Specifically with the Young Eagle program. The Poberezenys (SP) were pretty much benevolent rulers who did advance avition by in large. AOPA is pretty good as well. ABS has had some rough and tumble politics this last couple of years but still seems to be focused. Some Orgs that have wandered at times: IMHO The NRA for a while drifted away from it's mission gun rights and support for gun owners into a very right leaning organization on all issues. After alienating many moderate members, it seems to be focused again. The "nonprofit" AARP is actually a "for-profit" that is run as a business with a tiny non-profit foundation. I won't deal with them. Some VFW posts are bastions of Right wing politics. "If you are a Vet you must be a right thinking American!" Their mission is honoring the dead, Supporting military comrades,widows and patriotism. In the military, we call this mission creep. IE We went into Somalia to make sure that humanitarian aid was reaching those who needed it and not being stolen by the warlords. Then we started to try to catch the warlords, then we thought we would build a government. Ended up being a failure. In the former Yugoslavia we went in to stop the killing, then we started to nation build and peacekeep. That mission has been a success. Not all mission creep is bad. It is difficult to determine what happens when the leadership starts making big paychecks. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA > Barry, > > They have decided to announce to the world that they are a > business. For > all it's faults it used to be a family business (with some sort of a > guiding principle). At this point it's not about experimental > aviation,it's about money. Thanks but no thanks > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 2:00 PM, Barry Davis < wrote: > > > ** ******** > > Jack > > Being on the EAA Board of Directors, I can tell you that this article is > > not entirely correct. Also since I am involved, I can't talk about (at this > > time) details other than we are asking a couple of news agencys to correct > > these botched reports like this one. EAA is a great organization and as a > > result I have given them a lot of my time for the past 20 years. Serving on > > the Board will give you a different outlook on what is involved to have > > this organization keep fighting every day to keep our flying freedoms. > > Sometimes this economy dictates that the organization must not spend more > > that it takes in (unlike our government) but the process of action that is > > stated in this article is not correct. > > Barry Davis > > NX973BP > > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jack Phillips > > *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2012 2:11 PM > > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Steve Buss, Jim Koepnick get the AX at EAA > > > > Fellow Pietenpol Enthusiasts:**** > > > > ** ** > > > > The EAA, in the manner of all large, multi-national corporations, has > > issued pink slips to about 30 folks in ****Oshkosh****, including Steve > > Buss, who very effectively ran the Young Eagles program, and Jim Koepnick, > > one of the best aerial photographers in the world. Apparently Jim didnt > > take enough photos of warbirds, or of middle-aged men wearing Nomex flight > > suits.**** > > > > ** ** > > > > I believe Ive been to my last AirVenture. Its gotten too expensive, and > > it simply isnt as much fun as it used to be. Ill just keep going to > > Brodhead and Triple Tree and other Fun fly-ins, where the emphasis is on > > airplanes, not money.**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Heres an article about it: > > http://www.flyingmag.com/news/large-scale-layoffs-eaa-part-growth-plan?cmpid=enews011312&spPodID=030 > > **** > > > > ** ** > > > > I would drop my membership to EAA except that I am a Technical Counselor > > for my local chapter, and despite the idiots in ****Oshkosh****, our > > local chapter is actually building airplanes.**** > > > > ** ** > > > > Jack Phillips**** > > > > NX899JP**** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > ** ** > > > > * > > > > href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > href="blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > > > * > > > =========== > =========== > =========== > =========== > > * > > > > ________________________________ Message 46 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:01 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling I made a brass piece and bolted it on to cover the end of the cam (with a g asket under the brass). I had to notch my wood piece for the cam cover=2C but I did not want it leaking. Genedo not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling > From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com > Date: Fri=2C 13 Jan 2012 05:32:04 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > totally...Gene... > it was funny to me..jab away.. > I had another thought.. > the end of the camshaft is covered by the wood disk..and it does leak a b it when its running if not covered > did you guys put something over the camshaft ?.. i was thinking the wood disk and a gasket bolted to the engine took care of that... > and the cowl attached to the wood > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363569#363569 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 47 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:21 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available I'll second that! I quite literally wore mine out....can only pass that needle over it so many times...;-) Gary from Cool NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 12:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available This is a heads-up to all the "newbies" out there. If you haven't seen, or don't already own a copy of Mike's DVD, you should pop a check in the mail and get yourself one. There are lots of helpful pointers, and inside looks at how these planes go together, as well as things to watch for and pay attention to when building. And there's also a section of footage shot at Brodhead from a few years back. And then, there's the flying scenes. If you get stalled in your building process, just pop the DVD in the player and watch the flying scenes, and you'll be inspired to go back to the workshop and get going again. Well worth the price of admission. (and also very useful for non-Pietenpol builders as a cure for insomnia) Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363640#363640 ________________________________ Message 48 ____________________________________ Time: 06:35:14 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Set up is simple...tie 2 strings to the tail post and extend each one to the forward end of the blocks. That's the angle you need. Gary from Cool NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage In regards to the ash block, why are you canting it inward? The plans show it parallel to the ground, but shouldn't it be perpendicular to the axle? The last time I was at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, I took a close look at their Curtiss JN-4D Jenny to answer that very question. On the Jenny, it's perpendicular. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363665#363665 ________________________________ Message 49 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling From: "Brett Phillips" They will definitely leak oil from the cam bearing if you don't make a cover plate for the end of the cam. Dad and I started our first A conversion with no cover plate, and I ended up being covered with oil within about 15 seconds of starting. Lately I have noticed that many of the car guys go so far as to shorten the rear (car) camshaft bearing and install an expansion plug (freeze plug)to ensure no leaks (despite the fact that they still have a gasket and flywheel housing). That might be a good idea for an aircraft conversion, but I can't bring myself to put my new $400 cam in the lathe and turn the last half inch into chips. I think I'll stick with a cover plate. Brett On Fri, 13 Jan 2012 21:14:24 -0500, Gene Rambo wrote: > > I made a brass piece and bolted it on to cover the end of the cam (with > a gasket under the brass). I had to notch my wood piece for the cam > cover, but I did not want it leaking. Genedo not archive > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling >> From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com >> Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:32:04 -0800 >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> >> >> >> totally...Gene... >> it was funny to me..jab away.. >> I had another thought.. >> the end of the camshaft is covered by the wood disk..and it does leak a >> bit when its running if not covered >> did you guys put something over the camshaft ?.. i was thinking the >> wood disk and a gasket bolted to the engine took care of that... >> and the cowl attached to the wood >> >> jeff >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363569#363569 ________________________________ Message 50 ____________________________________ Time: 06:41:33 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling Ah-ha!! We now know that Gene has a piece of brass on the front of his engine! We also know that he used yellow and black paint! The pieces are coming together.. Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling I made a brass piece and bolted it on to cover the end of the cam (with a gasket under the brass). I had to notch my wood piece for the cam cover, but I did not want it leaking. Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling > From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:32:04 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > totally...Gene... > it was funny to me..jab away.. > I had another thought.. > the end of the camshaft is covered by the wood disk..and it does leak a bit when its running if not covered > did you guys put something over the camshaft ?.. i was thinking the wood disk and a gasket bolted to the engine took care of that... > and the cowl attached to the wood > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363569#363569 > > > > > > > &======== > > > ________________________________ Message 51 ____________________________________ Time: 08:05:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling From: "bender" thanks guys.. so you covered the cam and the wood is not bolted to the engine after the cowl is made... its making more sense now jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363696#363696 ________________________________ Message 52 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:57 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Look closer. The measurement IS at the front and the blocks ARE angled inwards. I found, as I was making mine that in order to fit cleanly with both front and rear legs the block automatically aims at the tail. I didn't realize any of this until after I had designed and installed my jig. Fortunately I had the forsight to use clamps instead of screwing it all together. That came in handy, especially when it came to fitting the ash block to both the front and rear leg. The draftsman assumed that whoever was making this gear would simply fit the block to the legs. No need to clutter the drawing with another bunch of lines and numbers. http://www.clifdawson.ca/Homepage4-10-06/Pietenpol3.html Clif On the front view, very similar to the attachment Bill C. posted, the way the drawing looks, the blocks MAY also angle towards the tail and are not parallel to each other. However, since the measurement shows a distance of 42.5" between the ash blocks with NO reference as to if this is measured from the forward or rearward ends of the blocks, one can assume the blocks ARE parallel to each other. Lots to interpret! Michael Perez ________________________________ Message 53 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:55 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: making the landing gear wider than plans From: Mark Roberts Thanks for all the help guys! I had originally thought the wood gear was what I was gonna build, but I rea lly decided that was due to fear of metal work, so I am gonna push through t hat. I thought the amount of extra width on your gear was a bit more than 6" Mike , but I had no real reason to think that so I am glad I'm glad I checked. I s pent time tonight sketching out a parts order. I am MOST squirmish about the metal stuff. Once I get started it'll be ok, but it's unfamiliar territory. Thanks for the input. I'll look forward to your measurements! Mark Sent from my iPad On Jan 13, 2012, at 9:42 AM, "Jack Phillips" wrote: > My gear is 54.5=9D wide at the V-Blocks, with 6=9D hubs and Cl eveland brakes, which puts the center of each tire about 6=99 apart. I =99m in Raleigh now and the plane is at Smith Mountain Lake, but I =99ll measure it the next time I=99m there (in about a week). > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSP ACE CORP] > Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 9:30 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: making the landing gear wider than plans > > Mark, group=94I don=99t recall how much wider I made my gear s tance than plans but could measure > it next time I=99m at the hangar. (a rough guess puts it at 6 =9D wider than plans) Not only do I like the look of > the wider gear stance (Jack Phillips look is similar as his gear is wider t oo) but it gives you more footing > in strong crosswinds. > > Mike C. > > > > > ________________________________ Message 54 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tube "Improved" gear questions From: Mark Roberts Thank you for those pic's! That helps a lot. I think moving the attach points further apart makes good sense too. Sent from my iPad On Jan 13, 2012, at 11:42 AM, "899PM" wrote: > > A few pix of my "improved" gear. Forgot what the tread is....I think it's 60". The springs are bushed with UHMW and give me the ability to vary spring rate via bicycle shock springs in 50# increments. I think I have a 400# and a 500# on each side now. In doing it over again, I would move both the upper and lower attach points as far for and aft as possible. > > -------- > PAPA MIKE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363630#363630 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4157_573.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4158_309.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_4167_224.jpg > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.