---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/14/12: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:23 AM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:35 AM - Re: Re: "A" cowling (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:05 AM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Mark Stanley) 4. 05:07 AM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Mark Stanley) 5. 05:13 AM - Re: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available (Mark Stanley) 6. 05:36 AM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Bryan Reed) 7. 06:30 AM - John Greenlee's Piet (Don Emch) 8. 06:32 AM - Re: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Gene Rambo) 9. 07:08 AM - Re: leaf springs for tailwheels (pineymb) 10. 07:27 AM - C-90 (Douwe Blumberg) 11. 08:00 AM - My Piet is out of long term storage (helspersew@aol.com) 12. 10:01 AM - Re: C-90 (Jack Textor) 13. 10:35 AM - I LIKE This Guy!!!! (Stu Brown) 14. 11:10 AM - Re: I LIKE This Guy!!!! (Ryan Mueller) 15. 11:13 AM - Re: My Piet is out of long term storage (Ryan Mueller) 16. 11:23 AM - Re: C-90 (Michael Perez) 17. 11:25 AM - Re: I LIKE This Guy!!!! (airlion) 18. 11:32 AM - Re: I LIKE This Guy!!!! (Gene Rambo) 19. 11:56 AM - Re: C-90 (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 20. 12:21 PM - Re: C-90 (Michael Perez) 21. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (KM Heide CPO/FAAOP) 22. 02:27 PM - :) (Ryan Mueller) 23. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Dan Yocum) 24. 03:46 PM - Water bombing (Gary Boothe) 25. 04:02 PM - Re: :) (K5YAC) 26. 04:24 PM - Re: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Gary Boothe) 27. 04:28 PM - what Piets sell for (Oscar Zuniga) 28. 06:34 PM - Re: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Kenneth M. Heide) 29. 06:40 PM - Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (kevinpurtee) 30. 07:58 PM - off topic So Cali Pieters Invite to a walk in Anheim convention center (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 31. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Jack Phillips) 32. 10:20 PM - 2012 Ohio Piet boxing tournement and fly-in (shad bell) 33. 10:31 PM - Re: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Kenneth M. Heide) 34. 11:06 PM - Re: Pietenpol list (Kenneth M. Heide) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling From: helspersew@aol.com That leaky cam end, conveniently, is slightly recessed. Per the advice of K en Perkins, I made a round aluminum disc slightly oversize, gubered it up w ith silicone and tapped it into the recess. Stopped that leak cold! Also, o ne of those transmission bolt holes was drilled back to the oil galley, cre ating a leak. I bought a special bolt from Mcmaster Carr with a large flang ed head with a gasket on it. That stopped that leak also. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 8:17 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling I made a brass piece and bolted it on to cover the end of the cam (with a g asket under the brass). I had to notch my wood piece for the cam cover, bu t I did not want it leaking. Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling > From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:32:04 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > totally...Gene... > it was funny to me..jab away.. > I had another thought.. > the end of the camshaft is covered by the wood disk..and it does leak a b it when its running if not covered > did you guys put something over the camshaft ?.. i was thinking the wood disk and a gasket bolted to the engine took care of that... > and the cowl attached to the wood > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363569#363569 > > > > > > > &======== > > > -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:35:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling From: helspersew@aol.com It's like pull'in teeth! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Fri, Jan 13, 2012 8:41 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling Ah-ha!! We now know that Gene has a piece of brass on the front of his engi ne! We also know that he used yellow and black paint! The pieces are coming together. Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling I made a brass piece and bolted it on to cover the end of the cam (with a g asket under the brass). I had to notch my wood piece for the cam cover, bu t I did not want it leaking. Gene do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "A" cowling > From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com > Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2012 05:32:04 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > totally...Gene... > it was funny to me..jab away.. > I had another thought.. > the end of the camshaft is covered by the wood disk..and it does leak a b it when its running if not covered > did you guys put something over the camshaft ?.. i was thinking the wood disk and a gasket bolted to the engine took care of that... > and the cowl attached to the wood > > jeff > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363569#363569 > > > > > > > &======== > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:58 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Hi Mike, I=99m way off getting to the fitting of the gear stage yet but I would like to put in my opinion. (it=99s a good pre-planning excersise anyway) Looking at the drawing attachment that Bill C posted, I think that the ash blocks ARE angled towards the tail. To me, the blocks appear to be drawn at an angle plus there is an extra line drawn on the inside edge of the landing gear struts, which I guess would be the rear struts. If you continue that extra line down, it would intersect with where the ash blocks would be if they were angled toward the tail. I also think that the 42.5=9D between the ash blocks could be a reference to the distance at the point the axle crosses them. As you say, lots to interpret! Mark Stanley Japan From: Michael Perez Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:36 AM > On the front view, very similar to the attachment Bill C. posted, the way the drawing looks, the blocks MAY also angle towards the tail and >are not parallel to each other. However, since the measurement shows a distance of 42.5" between the ash blocks with NO reference as to >if this is measured from the forward or rearward ends of the blocks, one can assume the blocks ARE parallel to each other. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:56 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Hi Gary, I like that technique! Simple is good. Mark Stanley Japan Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:32 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Set up is simple...tie 2 strings to the tail post and extend each one to the forward end of the blocks. That's the angle you need. Gary from Cool NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Friday, January 13, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage In regards to the ash block, why are you canting it inward? The plans show it parallel to the ground, but shouldn't it be perpendicular to the axle? The last time I was at the Frontiers of Flight Museum in Dallas, I took a close look at their Curtiss JN-4D Jenny to answer that very question. On the Jenny, it's perpendicular. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363665#363665 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:21 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available Hi Mike, I still my copy of the TAPE, still going strong last time I looked at it. Lots of good stuff in there to get the brain turning! Thanks Mark Stanley Japan Do not archive From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 5:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2.5 hour Piet DVD available For years I=99ve had an old VHS tape that I dubbed and then dubbed to DVD=99s that shows the building and flying of my Pietenpol. I haven=99t had DVD=99s available for a year now because the tape basically wore out but a local shop salvaged (with a moderate amount of tracking =98snow=99 in spots) it and I had a run of 50 made. The first 45 minutes shows a complete walk around of finished airplane. Next we do some fun flying scenes over the farmland south of Cleveland, Ohio. Finally show photos and video of my construction, photos of other Piets, 1st flight, some of early Brodhead events, 1st time with the plane at Oshkosh, and more. If interested please send a check (don=99t do Paypal) to Michael Cuy, 16465 Heather Lane, Middleburg Hts. OH 44130. $25 which includes 1st Class shipping. Again, there are portions of the DVD that DOES have snow and it can be a bit distracting but overall the production is fine. Warning: Watching this DVD can induce drowsiness to non-airplane people. If you=99re lucky the DVD might even clear out the room for you. This DVD can be used to make uninvited visitors, in-laws, outlaws, or people who just don=99t know when to go home actually go home. Thank you, Mike C. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: "Bryan Reed" Ryan, It was a tongue in cheek comment!!!! Last time I checked Phoenix valley was pretty flat. We do have mountains up North though and they are great to fly around. In summer we just don't land there. BTW-The story at Grand canyon was in a 180hp 172 and the Piet will suite me just fine thanks. Sincerely sorry you are having a bad day. I hope I was not the cause. Take care, Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363717#363717 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: John Greenlee's Piet From: "Don Emch" John...That is awesome to hear you are getting back on the Piet. For those of you not familiar his beautiful bird, check it out here... http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/John%20Greenlee/pictures.htm One thing is for sure, John's Piet may have been out of commission for a while but he sure is a dedicated attendee of Brodhead. Has made the trip from Texas for almost 20 years! Yikes! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363723#363723 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:32:40 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage I think there are several people asking about the gear on here right now. I have seen lots of different ways of doing it described on here=2C some mo re complex than others. I tried about three different ways until hitting o n what I think is the easiest way. Gary is right=2C two strings from the t ailpost works perfectly. I would be happy to talk on the phone to anyone w ho would like to discuss the way I came up with=2C but it is too complicate d to write out without causing a million questions. Not saying my way is T HE way=2C or even the best=2C but I tried them all and when the last idea h it=2C it was a piece of cake! Gene Rambo202-674-1445 From: mmrally@nifty.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Hi Mike=2C I=92m way off getting to the fitting of the gear stage yet but I would like to put in my opinion. (it=92s a good pre-planning excersise anyway) Looking at the drawing attachment that Bill C posted=2C I think that the as h blocks ARE angled towards the tail. To me=2C the blocks appear to be drawn at an angle plus there is an extra line drawn on the inside edge of the landing gear struts=2C which I guess w ould be the rear struts. If you continue that extra line down=2C it would intersect with where the a sh blocks would be if they were angled toward the tail. I also think that the 42.5=94 between the ash blocks could be a reference to the distance at the point the axle crosses them. As you say=2C lots to interpret! Mark Stanley Japan From: Michael Perez Sent: Saturday=2C January 14=2C 2012 9:36 AM > On the front view=2C very similar to the attachment Bill C. posted=2C the way the drawing looks=2C the blocks MAY also angle towards the tail and >are not parallel to each othe r. However=2C since the measurement shows a distance of 42.5 " between the ash blocks with NO reference as to >if this i s measured from the forward or rearward ends of the blocks =2C one can assume the blocks ARE parallel to each other. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: leaf springs for tailwheels From: "pineymb" As Mike mentioned, the best setup appears to be a combination of two leaf springs. My original setup had a spring that was too stiff and not enough arch to give proper ground clearance. The original tail wheel was a Maule which was worn out and no longer was plumb with the aircraft causing some exciting moments on some landings. Replace the spring with one from ASS PN 0-614200 designed for a Cub. Removed the short spring and fabricated a new bracket to accept the existing mount points. Replaced the tail wheel with a Matco 6" which proved to work very well with much better ground clearance. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363730#363730 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00591_144.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00555_179.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:27:14 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: C-90 Hey Michael! My C-90 actually began life as an O200 which had to be overhauled anyways, so it was no big deal to swap out the cam and the few other things that differentiate the two. (carburetion I think was one, but can't remember now) I think it was a good way to go as there are lots of runout O200's around. Seems to definitely be the "engine of choice" in the UK where they fly a slightly larger/heavier Pietenpol. Should be good, well see. Got one exhaust/heat muff/muffler assembly finished last night, one more to go, then finish some wiring and plumbing and fire her up and get a fresh blast of encouragement for the final push! Gotta get this bugger done (or re-done would be more accurate). This rebuilding stuff kinda stinks. Douwe ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Piet is out of long term storage From: helspersew@aol.com The last time you got a good idea was when you saw the black and yellow Ger man at Brodhead. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2012 8:32 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage I think there are several people asking about the gear on here right now. I have seen lots of different ways of doing it described on here, some more complex than others. I tried about three different ways until hitting on what I think is the easiest way. Gary is right, two strings from the tailp ost works perfectly. I would be happy to talk on the phone to anyone who w ould like to discuss the way I came up with, but it is too complicated to w rite out without causing a million questions. Not saying my way is THE way , or even the best, but I tried them all and when the last idea hit, it was a piece of cake! Gene Rambo 202-674-1445 From: mmrally@nifty.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage Hi Mike, I=99m way off getting to the fitting of the gear stage yet but I woul d like to put in my opinion. (it=99s a good pre-planning excersise an yway) Looking at the drawing attachment that Bill C posted, I think that the ash blocks ARE angled towards the tail. To me, the blocks appear to be drawn at an angle plus there is an extra lin e drawn on the inside edge of the landing gear struts, which I guess would be the rear struts. If you continue that extra line down, it would intersect with where the ash blocks would be if they were angled toward the tail. I also think that the 42.5=9D between the ash blocks could be a refe rence to the distance at the point the axle crosses them. As you say, lots to interpret! Mark Stanley Japan From: Michael Perez Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:36 AM > On the front view, very similar to the attachment Bill C. posted, the way the drawing looks, the blocks MAY also angle towards the tail and >are not parallel to each other. However, since the measurement shows a distance of 42.5" between the ash blocks with NO reference as to >if this is measured from the forward or rearward ends of the blocks, one can assume the blocks ARE parallel to each other. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com "_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:15 AM PST US From: "Jack Textor" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: C-90 Douwe, could you share some pictures on the heat muff? Thanks Jack DSM N1929T Do not archive Jack Textor 29 SW 58th Drive Des Moines, IA 50312 www.textors.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:32 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: C-90 Hey Michael! My C-90 actually began life as an O200 which had to be overhauled anyways, so it was no big deal to swap out the cam and the few other things that differentiate the two. (carburetion I think was one, but can't remember now) I think it was a good way to go as there are lots of runout O200's around. Seems to definitely be the "engine of choice" in the UK where they fly a slightly larger/heavier Pietenpol. Should be good, well see. Got one exhaust/heat muff/muffler assembly finished last night, one more to go, then finish some wiring and plumbing and fire her up and get a fresh blast of encouragement for the final push! Gotta get this bugger done (or re-done would be more accurate). This rebuilding stuff kinda stinks. Douwe _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:35:00 AM PST US From: Stu Brown Subject: Pietenpol-List: I LIKE This Guy!!!! Subject: Fwd: I LIKE This Guy!!!! Spoken like a TRUE American! Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), a former Army lieutenant colonel, sends THE WEEKLY STANDARD an email commenting on the Marines' video , and has given us permission to publish it. allenwest I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah. All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded and gutted in Iraq? The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a teleprompter. As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell. "Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." -John Wayne The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and a good ending; and to have the two as close together as possible - George Burns ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I LIKE This Guy!!!! From: Ryan Mueller I'm an inactive Marine, I was shot at by Iraqis, I lost brothers over there. And this load of tripe can go to hell. Using the heinous actions of our enemies to in any way justify our less than honorable actions is BS. We set the bar high, and strive to reach it, not them. And if you are going to bring the hammer down on anyone, bring it down on the idiot that filmed the evidence. Dumbass... Ryan do not archive On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Stu Brown wrote: > > > Subject: Fwd: I LIKE This Guy!!!! > > > Spoken like a TRUE American! > Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), a former Army lieutenant colonel, sends THE > WEEKLY STANDARD an email commenting on the Marines' video < > http://www.weeklystandard.**com/blogs/silence-republican-** > candidates_616690.html> > , and has given us permission to publish it. > > allenwest imagecache/teaser-large/**images/teasers/allenwest.jpg> > > > =93I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video of our Marine s > urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall any self-righteous > indignation when our Delta snipers Shugart and Gordon had their bodies > dragged through Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and > condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being killed, their > bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in Fallujah. > > =93All these over-emotional pundits and armchair quarterbacks need to chi ll. > Does anyone remember the two Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division wh o > were beheaded and gutted in Iraq? > > =93The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment under field gra de > level Article 15 (non-judicial punishment), place a General Officer level > letter of reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full dress > uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally apologize to God, > Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude by singing the full US Marine > Corps Hymn without a teleprompter. > > =93As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by the Taliban, shu t > your mouth, war is hell.=94 > > > "Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." > > -John Wayne > > > The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and a good ending ; > and to have the two as close together as possible > - George Burns > > =====**=================== ===========**= w.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List> =====**=================== ===========**= =====**=================== ===========**= com/contribution> =====**=================== ===========**= > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: My Piet is out of long term storage From: Ryan Mueller :) do not archive On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 9:57 AM, wrote: > The last time you got a good idea was when you saw the black and yellow > German at Brodhead. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > do not archive > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Rambo > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2012 8:32 am > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage > > I think there are several people asking about the gear on here right > now. I have seen lots of different ways of doing it described on here, > some more complex than others. I tried about three different ways until > hitting on what I think is the easiest way. Gary is right, two strings > from the tailpost works perfectly. I would be happy to talk on the phone > to anyone who would like to discuss the way I came up with, but it is too > complicated to write out without causing a million questions. Not saying > my way is THE way, or even the best, but I tried them all and when the la st > idea hit, it was a piece of cake! > > Gene Rambo > 202-674-1445 > > ------------------------------ > From: mmrally@nifty.com > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Piet is out of long term storage > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 22:03:32 +0900 > > Hi Mike, > I=92m way off getting to the fitting of the gear stage yet but I would li ke > to put in my opinion. (it=92s a good pre-planning excersise anyway) > Looking at the drawing attachment that Bill C posted, I think that the as h > blocks ARE angled towards the tail. > To me, the blocks appear to be drawn at an angle plus there is an extra > line drawn on the inside edge of the landing gear struts, which I guess > would be the rear struts. > If you continue that extra line down, it would intersect with where the > ash blocks would be if they were angled toward the tail. > I also think that the 42.5=94 between the ash blocks could be a referenc e > to the distance at the point the axle crosses them. > > As you say, lots to interpret! > > Mark Stanley > Japan > > *From:* Michael Perez > *Sent:* Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:36 AM > > > On the front view, very similar to the attachment Bill C. > posted, the way the drawing looks, the blocks MAY also angle towards the > tail and >are not parallel to each other. However, since the measurement > shows a distance of 42.5" between the ash blocks with NO reference as to > >if this is measured from the forward or rearward ends of the blocks, one > can assume the blocks ARE parallel to each other. > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c * > > * > > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listht tp://forums.matronics.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:23:06 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 Thanks Douwe for the good ideas. - One reason I was more interested in the -90 then the--200 was because I r ead someplace that the -90 was lighter. (don't recall where.)- I am VERY interested in the conversion process you talk about and wonder if it change s the weight closer to the -90?- Can you point me in the direction to fin d these overhaul/conversion procedures? Maybe I should search for an O-200 and convert? - Definitely keep me abreast of your engine work, first run and subsequent fi ndings...good or bad. - Thanks! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:25:13 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I LIKE This Guy!!!! I like this guy too. Where are all the good candidates out there that will say OKKKKKKKKK INSTEAD of condemning them to Hell. SEMPER FI. GARDINER --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Stu Brown wrote: > From: Stu Brown > Subject: Pietenpol-List: I LIKE This Guy!!!! > To: > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 1:31 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: Stu Brown > > > Subject: Fwd: I LIKE This Guy!!!! > > > Spoken like a TRUE American! > Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), a former Army lieutenant colonel, > sends THE WEEKLY STANDARD an email commenting on the > Marines' video > , and has given us permission to publish it. > > allenwest > > > > I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video > of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall > any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers > Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through > Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and > condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being > killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in > Fallujah. > > All these over-emotional pundits and armchair > quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two > Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded > and gutted in Iraq? > > The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment > under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial > punishment), place a General Officer level letter of > reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full > dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally > apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude > by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a > teleprompter. > > As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by > the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell. > > > > > > > "Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." > > -John Wayne > > > The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and > a good ending; and to have the two as close together as > possible > - George Burns > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > FAQ, > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:35 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I LIKE This Guy!!!! lets keep the politics off this list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gene > Date: Sat=2C 14 Jan 2012 11:22:28 -0800 > From: airlion@bellsouth.net > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I LIKE This Guy!!!! > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I like this guy too. Where are all the good candidates out there that wil l say OKKKKKKKKK INSTEAD of condemning them to Hell. SEMPER FI. GARDINER > > --- On Sat=2C 1/14/12=2C Stu Brown wrote: > > > From: Stu Brown > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: I LIKE This Guy!!!! > > To: > > Date: Saturday=2C January 14=2C 2012=2C 1:31 PM > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > > by: Stu Brown > > > > > > Subject: Fwd: I LIKE This Guy!!!! > > > > > > Spoken like a TRUE American! > > Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.)=2C a former Army lieutenant colonel=2C > > sends THE WEEKLY STANDARD an email commenting on the > > Marines' video > > =2C and has given us permission to publish it. > > > > allenwest > > > > > > > > =93I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video > > of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall > > any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers > > Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through > > Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and > > condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being > > killed=2C their bodies burned=2C and hung from a bridge in > > Fallujah. > > > > =93All these over-emotional pundits and armchair > > quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two > > Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded > > and gutted in Iraq? > > > > =93The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment > > under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial > > punishment)=2C place a General Officer level letter of > > reprimand in their personnel file=2C and have them in full > > dress uniform stand before their Battalion=2C each personally > > apologize to God=2C Country=2C and Corps videotaped and conclude > > by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a > > teleprompter. > > > > =93As for everyone else=2C unless you have been shot at by > > the Taliban=2C shut your mouth=2C war is hell.=94 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." > > > > -John Wayne > > > > > > The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and > > a good ending=3B and to have the two as close together as > > possible > > - George Burns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > > FAQ=2C > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > List Contribution Web Site - > > -Matt > > Dralle=2C List Admin. > > > > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:56:16 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 Michael, My extensive research (a google search) says that the -90 makes only 95 HP but has better torque down low, right where a slow and low plane needs it. No dif in weight unless you get one of the new O-200s. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 > Thanks Douwe for the good ideas. > > One reason I was more interested in the -90 then the-200 was > because I read someplace that the -90 was lighter. (don't recall > where.) I am VERY interested in the conversion process you talk > about and wonder if it changes the weight closer to the -90? Can > you point me in the direction to find these overhaul/conversion > procedures? Maybe I should search for an O-200 and convert? > > Definitely keep me abreast of your engine work, first run and > subsequent findings...good or bad. > > Thanks! > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 12:21:21 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: C-90 Low - end torque...reminds of when I built my Pontiac engine... anyhoo, I w ill be looking more closely into this -200/90 conversion and the difference s/similarities between the two. - Any other intell. on the matter would be greatly appreciated. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:34:10 PM PST US From: KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears Hey Mueller.... - Take Your Ass to another site! - In speaking for other BUILDERS-who wish to remain on the sidelines, you M r. Mueller -need to drop of the radar screen! Seems as though your choice s in life ( to include comments)-are condescending, worthless, and frankl y down right stupid! - Your life's' problems and unnecessary psychobabble-are not made for this list;-I for one am tired of your mouth! - Do us all a favor and find another site, try and build a model airplane, or better yet...find another hobby to bash! You have attained the title of Ki ng of idiots... please go away!-Need I say more! - ARCHIVE -KMHeide --- On Fri, 1/13/12, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears The airplane was designed by a man living on the beautiful flat ground of t he middle west. You want to fly it in the mountains, that's your problem. As much as you like the Piet, if it does not suit your situation, then find something more appropriate- do not archive On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bryan Reed wrote: Bill, -Shudder the thought. You mean my 75hp Piet won't climb like a homesick a ngel with me and my 250lb friend on board??? Who do I talk to about getting my money back on this mere mortal airplane?? -Unfortunately we are very familiar with DA here. It really limits us in the summer with the high altitude runways. I had a scare years ago at Grand Canyon Airport with 6600ft actual and 87deg afternoon. I am quite a coward ly pilot with high density altitude now. -I flew for years out of DVT and became accustomed to crowded airports. I t really doesn't bother me but it does take a toll on brakes and tires doin g that much taxiing. With high temps comes long runways and thus lots of ta xiing. Unfortunatly that is standard flying here. - -Thanks, - - -Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363656#363656 st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: :) From: Ryan Mueller *Hey Mueller.... Take Your Ass to another site! * * * *:)* * * *do not archive* ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:11 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears KM, Have *you* ever flown in the mountains? N8031 has done it (not with me), an d on hot days climb was reported to be 50 fpm. It's not a mountain machine w ith an A65/75. Maybe a C85 with the O200 mods, but I wouldn't take it to Tuc son (2200') in the middle of the summer and overload it. Bryan, I wouldn't worry about braking on the Piet with or without big wheels . It slows down so quickly even taxiing that you won't need the brakes. An d tires? F'ggetabout it! Motorcycle don't suddenly burst into flames or pop their wheels when the temps hit 117. I lived in Tucson, cycling is hot, bu t it can be done. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Jan 14, 2012, at 2:31 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wrote : > Hey Mueller.... > > Take Your Ass to another site! > > In speaking for other BUILDERS who wish to remain on the sidelines, you Mr . Mueller need to drop of the radar screen! Seems as though your choices in life ( to include comments) are condescending, worthless, and frankly down r ight stupid! > > Your life's' problems and unnecessary psychobabble are not made for this l ist; I for one am tired of your mouth! > > Do us all a favor and find another site, try and build a model airplane, o r better yet...find another hobby to bash! You have attained the title of Ki ng of idiots... please go away! Need I say more! > > > ARCHIVE > KMHeide > > > --- On Fri, 1/13/12, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > From: Ryan Mueller > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, January 13, 2012, 6:12 PM > > The airplane was designed by a man living on the beautiful flat ground of t he middle west. You want to fly it in the mountains, that's your problem. > > As much as you like the Piet, if it does not suit your situation, then fin d something more appropriate > > do not archive > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bryan Reed wrote: > > Bill, > > Shudder the thought. You mean my 75hp Piet won't climb like a homesick an gel with me and my 250lb friend on board??? Who do I talk to about getting m y money back on this mere mortal airplane?? > > Unfortunately we are very familiar with DA here. It really limits us in t he summer with the high altitude runways. I had a scare years ago at Grand C anyon Airport with 6600ft actual and 87deg afternoon. I am quite a cowardly p ilot with high density altitude now. > > I flew for years out of DVT and became accustomed to crowded airports. It really doesn't bother me but it does take a toll on brakes and tires doing t hat much taxiing. With high temps comes long runways and thus lots of taxiin g. Unfortunatly that is standard flying here. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > -------- > Working Piet N5289B > > While I may not always be right, I apologize well. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363656#363656 > > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:42 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Water bombing Hey, Gardiner - A quick question=85I=92m thinking about introducing an event into this year=92s West Coast Piet Gathering. You, being an individual of incredible background, no doubt with knowledge of bombing tactics=85range, windage and such=85may best know how to answer this=85. Let=92s say our event is to dump a liquid from a Piet, sorta like flour bombing, on to a target. Doesn=92t matter what the liquid is, but let=92s say it=92s watery and=85yellow=85color doesn=92t matter. Let=92s say the target is a row of unmoving objects, 5 =BD to 6=92 long, each one about 16=94 dia, lined up in a row, like wood. The object, obviously, is to hit the target with as much of liquid as possible. What do you think would be the best approach ground speed. Again, I have no experience in military aviation, but have undying respect for those who do=85 Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 11:30 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I LIKE This Guy!!!! lets keep the politics off this list!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gene > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2012 11:22:28 -0800 > From: airlion@bellsouth.net > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I LIKE This Guy!!!! > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > I like this guy too. Where are all the good candidates out there that will say OKKKKKKKKK INSTEAD of condemning them to Hell. SEMPER FI. GARDINER > > --- On Sat, 1/14/12, Stu Brown wrote: > > > From: Stu Brown > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: I LIKE This Guy!!!! > > To: > > Date: Saturday, January 14, 2012, 1:31 PM > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > > by: Stu Brown > > > > > > Subject: Fwd: I LIKE This Guy!!!! > > > > > > Spoken like a TRUE American! > > Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), a former Army lieutenant colonel, > > sends THE WEEKLY STANDARD an email commenting on the > > Marines' video > > , and has given us permission to publish it. > > > > allenwest > > > > > > > > =93I have sat back and assessed the incident with the video > > of our Marines urinating on Taliban corpses. I do not recall > > any self-righteous indignation when our Delta snipers > > Shugart and Gordon had their bodies dragged through > > Mogadishu. Neither do I recall media outrage and > > condemnation of our Blackwater security contractors being > > killed, their bodies burned, and hung from a bridge in > > Fallujah. > > > > =93All these over-emotional pundits and armchair > > quarterbacks need to chill. Does anyone remember the two > > Soldiers from the 101st Airborne Division who were beheaded > > and gutted in Iraq? > > > > =93The Marines were wrong. Give them a maximum punishment > > under field grade level Article 15 (non-judicial > > punishment), place a General Officer level letter of > > reprimand in their personnel file, and have them in full > > dress uniform stand before their Battalion, each personally > > apologize to God, Country, and Corps videotaped and conclude > > by singing the full US Marine Corps Hymn without a > > teleprompter. > > > > =93As for everyone else, unless you have been shot at by > > the Taliban, shut your mouth, war is hell.=94 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Courage is being scared to death and saddling up anyway." > > > > -John Wayne > > > > > > The secret of a good sermon is to have a good beginning and > > a good ending; and to have the two as close together as > > possible > > - George Burns > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > > FAQ, > > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > > List Contribution Web Site - > > -Matt > > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > > > > > >============= > > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: :) From: "K5YAC" Yeah Mueller... [Laughing] Do Not Archive -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363781#363781 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:44 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears Mr. Heide, Those are harsh words to someone with credibility. You may not like his delivery, but the message is the same. Remember, it is Mr. Reed who painted such miserable picture of taxi conditions at his airport that he felt forced to choose a specific tire! Others, with Pietenpol flying experience, have unsuccessfully tried to reason with him. Ryan Mueller may not be building now, but has, in the past, as well as owning and flying a Pietenpol. I wish Bryan Reed every success and happiness with his plane. Can you imagine sitting in an open cockpit in conditions as he describes them?! He'll need extra hp just to get those balls off the ground.. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archve From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 12:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears Hey Mueller.... Take Your Ass to another site! In speaking for other BUILDERS who wish to remain on the sidelines, you Mr. Mueller need to drop of the radar screen! Seems as though your choices in life ( to include comments) are condescending, worthless, and frankly down right stupid! Your life's' problems and unnecessary psychobabble are not made for this list; I for one am tired of your mouth! Do us all a favor and find another site, try and build a model airplane, or better yet...find another hobby to bash! You have attained the title of King of idiots... please go away! Need I say more! ARCHIVE KMHeide --- On Fri, 1/13/12, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears The airplane was designed by a man living on the beautiful flat ground of the middle west. You want to fly it in the mountains, that's your problem. As much as you like the Piet, if it does not suit your situation, then find something more appropriate do not archive On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bryan Reed > wrote: > Bill, Shudder the thought. You mean my 75hp Piet won't climb like a homesick angel with me and my 250lb friend on board??? Who do I talk to about getting my money back on this mere mortal airplane?? Unfortunately we are very familiar with DA here. It really limits us in the summer with the high altitude runways. I had a scare years ago at Grand Canyon Airport with 6600ft actual and 87deg afternoon. I am quite a cowardly pilot with high density altitude now. I flew for years out of DVT and became accustomed to crowded airports. It really doesn't bother me but it does take a toll on brakes and tires doing that much taxiing. With high temps comes long runways and thus lots of taxiing. Unfortunatly that is standard flying here. Thanks, Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363656#363656 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:39 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: what Piets sell for Maybe I tell myself this to justify the expense, but I consider the $15,000 that I paid for Scout to be completely worth it. I bought a complete, flying, registered, time-flown-off aircraft that will honestly fly 2 people on 4 gallons per hour of avgas and cost only a few hundred dollars a year in maintenance and upkeep (not including hangar). It is simple, reliable, and enjoyable. I would say the only thing better than buying a "new" Piet for $15K is buying one for less than that. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:25 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: "Kenneth M. Heide" Dan, Did you read the question and statement he simply asked? Did Mueller have to slap the guy down for asking? Just tired of his shit and running his lips w hen people seek advice on their planes. Again, I for one wished he would "fly" away! Maybe a great new years resolut ion. Kenneth M. Heide Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2012, at 5:26 PM, Dan Yocum wrote: > KM, > > Have *you* ever flown in the mountains? N8031 has done it (not with me), a nd on hot days climb was reported to be 50 fpm. It's not a mountain machine with an A65/75. Maybe a C85 with the O200 mods, but I wouldn't take it to T ucson (2200') in the middle of the summer and overload it. > > Bryan, I wouldn't worry about braking on the Piet with or without big whee ls. It slows down so quickly even taxiing that you won't need the brakes. A nd tires? F'ggetabout it! Motorcycle don't suddenly burst into flames or po p their wheels when the temps hit 117. I lived in Tucson, cycling is hot, b ut it can be done. > > Dan > > > -- > Dan Yocum > yocum137@gmail.com > "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." > > On Jan 14, 2012, at 2:31 PM, KM Heide CPO/FAAOP wro te: > >> Hey Mueller.... >> >> Take Your Ass to another site! >> >> In speaking for other BUILDERS who wish to remain on the sidelines, you M r. Mueller need to drop of the radar screen! Seems as though your choices i n life ( to include comments) are condescending, worthless, and frankly down right stupid! >> >> Your life's' problems and unnecessary psychobabble are not made for this l ist; I for one am tired of your mouth! >> >> Do us all a favor and find another site, try and build a model airplane, o r better yet...find another hobby to bash! You have attained the title of Ki ng of idiots... please go away! Need I say more! >> >> >> ARCHIVE >> KMHeide >> >> >> --- On Fri, 1/13/12, Ryan Mueller wrote: >> >> From: Ryan Mueller >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Date: Friday, January 13, 2012, 6:12 PM >> >> The airplane was designed by a man living on the beautiful flat ground of the middle west. You want to fly it in the mountains, that's your problem. >> >> As much as you like the Piet, if it does not suit your situation, then fi nd something more appropriate >> >> do not archive >> >> On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bryan Reed wrote: >> >> Bill, >> >> Shudder the thought. You mean my 75hp Piet won't climb like a homesick a ngel with me and my 250lb friend on board??? Who do I talk to about getting m y money back on this mere mortal airplane?? >> >> Unfortunately we are very familiar with DA here. It really limits us in t he summer with the high altitude runways. I had a scare years ago at Grand C anyon Airport with 6600ft actual and 87deg afternoon. I am quite a cowardly p ilot with high density altitude now. >> >> I flew for years out of DVT and became accustomed to crowded airports. I t really doesn't bother me but it does take a toll on brakes and tires doing that much taxiing. With high temps comes long runways and thus lots of taxi ing. Unfortunatly that is standard flying here. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Bryan >> >> -------- >> Working Piet N5289B >> >> While I may not always be right, I apologize well. >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363656#363656 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========== >> http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> le, List Admin. >> ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> >> >> >> >> >> >> " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Piete npol-List >> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com >> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> >> >> >> ========================= ========= >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ========================= ========= >> cs.com >> ========================= ========= >> matronics.com/contribution >> ========================= ========= >> > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:40:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: "kevinpurtee" Wow! You can't PAY for entertainment like this! And Mr. Dralle provides it for free. Amazing. I did contribute this year: $75. Worth every penny! And I got the thank you gift in the mail today - a kneeboard. Woo hoo! do not archive :D -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363794#363794 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:58:23 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: off topic So Cali Pieters Invite to a walk in Anheim convention center If you love good stuff you need to make it to the convention center to sample the best Gelato and spreads you have ever tasted. 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Frankly, I've known Ryan for a number of years and have always been imnpressed by his technical expertise in aviation. He worked for some time as a mechanic at Poplar Grove and is technically very savvy about aircraft construction. If you have a problem with him, solve it with him, not through the list. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:32 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears Hey Mueller.... Take Your Ass to another site! In speaking for other BUILDERS who wish to remain on the sidelines, you Mr. Mueller need to drop of the radar screen! Seems as though your choices in life ( to include comments) are condescending, worthless, and frankly down right stupid! Your life's' problems and unnecessary psychobabble are not made for this list; I for one am tired of your mouth! Do us all a favor and find another site, try and build a model airplane, or better yet...find another hobby to bash! You have attained the title of King of idiots... please go away! Need I say more! ARCHIVE KMHeide --- On Fri, 1/13/12, Ryan Mueller wrote: From: Ryan Mueller Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears The airplane was designed by a man living on the beautiful flat ground of the middle west. You want to fly it in the mountains, that's your problem. As much as you like the Piet, if it does not suit your situation, then find something more appropriate do not archive On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bryan Reed > wrote: > Bill, Shudder the thought. You mean my 75hp Piet won't climb like a homesick angel with me and my 250lb friend on board??? Who do I talk to about getting my money back on this mere mortal airplane?? Unfortunately we are very familiar with DA here. It really limits us in the summer with the high altitude runways. I had a scare years ago at Grand Canyon Airport with 6600ft actual and 87deg afternoon. I am quite a cowardly pilot with high density altitude now. I flew for years out of DVT and became accustomed to crowded airports. It really doesn't bother me but it does take a toll on brakes and tires doing that much taxiing. With high temps comes long runways and thus lots of taxiing. Unfortunatly that is standard flying here. Thanks, Bryan -------- Working Piet N5289B While I may not always be right, I apologize well. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363656#363656 ========== st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========== http://forums.matronics.com ========== le, List Admin. ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ========== " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:01 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2012 Ohio Piet boxing tournement and fly-in Lets all get togeather and duke out this disagreement, at 1197msl.- We wi ll glue on handlebar mushtaches (if we can't grow one), and have a bare knu ckle boxing match to settle this.- When we are done spitting out teeth, w e will soothe our bleeding gums with cold beer, and who ever still has ther e teeth can chew up the loosers brat and feed him like a mama bird.- We c an even hire a bookie to take bets on the winner (and donate it to the list ).- Next year we can fight over which engine is best, then the following year which landing gear is best................ - Laughing my butt off, Shad ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:43 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: "Kenneth M. Heide" So Jack... When someone calls you a fucktard and because he has some knowled ge is aircraft it becomes my problem to kindly resolve an issue off line as t o not offed you or anyone else? Common really? Well then... I guess the 16 emails I received off list must be wrong for sup porting my position! To bad you and a few other miss the forest from one bad tree that needs his mouth permanently shut! Ever wonder why their is an off line group whom don't contribute to the list for idiots like that! Go ahead and covet friends like him, but do ever poin t your finger in my direction on and tell me I need to respect that idiot! P retty obvious you choose to ignore the mans worthless statements and derogat ory attacks! I am tired of idiots like this and you embrace him . God bless y ou. No worries, I am moving on to better things in life! Kenneth M. Heide Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2012, at 10:55 PM, "Jack Phillips" wrote : > Ken, if you feel a need to attack Ryan Mueller, please do it offlist. Per haps there is a bit too much politics on the list lately, but this kind of a ttack crosses the line. Frankly, I=99ve known Ryan for a number of ye ars and have always been imnpressed by his technical expertise in aviation. He worked for some time as a mechanic at Poplar Grove and is technically ve ry savvy about aircraft construction. If you have a problem with him, solve it with him, not through the list. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of KM Heide CPO/FAAOP > Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 3:32 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears > > Hey Mueller.... > > Take Your Ass to another site! > > In speaking for other BUILDERS who wish to remain on the sidelines, you Mr . Mueller need to drop of the radar screen! Seems as though your choices in life ( to include comments) are condescending, worthless, and frankly down r ight stupid! > > Your life's' problems and unnecessary psychobabble are not made for this l ist; I for one am tired of your mouth! > > Do us all a favor and find another site, try and build a model airplane, o r better yet...find another hobby to bash! You have attained the title of Ki ng of idiots... please go away! Need I say more! > > > ARCHIVE > KMHeide > > > --- On Fri, 1/13/12, Ryan Mueller wrote: > > From: Ryan Mueller > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, January 13, 2012, 6:12 PM > > The airplane was designed by a man living on the beautiful flat ground of t he middle west. You want to fly it in the mountains, that's your problem. > > As much as you like the Piet, if it does not suit your situation, then fin d something more appropriate > > do not archive > > On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Bryan Reed wrote: > > Bill, > > Shudder the thought. You mean my 75hp Piet won't climb like a homesick an gel with me and my 250lb friend on board??? Who do I talk to about getting m y money back on this mere mortal airplane?? > > Unfortunately we are very familiar with DA here. It really limits us in t he summer with the high altitude runways. I had a scare years ago at Grand C anyon Airport with 6600ft actual and 87deg afternoon. I am quite a cowardly p ilot with high density altitude now. > > I flew for years out of DVT and became accustomed to crowded airports. It really doesn't bother me but it does take a toll on brakes and tires doing t hat much taxiing. With high temps comes long runways and thus lots of taxiin g. Unfortunatly that is standard flying here. > > Thanks, > > Bryan > > -------- > Working Piet N5289B > > While I may not always be right, I apologize well. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363656#363656 > > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pieten pol-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol list From: "Kenneth M. Heide" Enough said! This USMC patriot is moving on. Enjoy your builds and God bless us all! Kenneth M. 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