---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/16/12: 42 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:33 AM - Re: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs (Gerry Holland) 2. 12:51 AM - Re: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs (Gerry Holland) 3. 01:03 AM - Re: Re: Something more soothing........ (Mark Stanley) 4. 04:18 AM - Re: Logo's (Jack Phillips) 5. 04:44 AM - Re: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs (Jim Markle) 6. 05:27 AM - Re: Logos (helspersew@aol.com) 7. 05:32 AM - Re: Logo's (Gboothe5) 8. 05:34 AM - Re: Logos (Gboothe5) 9. 05:43 AM - Re: Logos (Gene Rambo) 10. 05:50 AM - Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! (Douwe Blumberg) 11. 06:15 AM - Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! (C N Campbell) 12. 06:39 AM - Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "d (Bill Church) 13. 06:39 AM - Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! (Jack Phillips) 14. 07:07 AM - Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! (Michael Perez) 15. 08:15 AM - Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! (Gene Rambo) 16. 08:17 AM - Re: what Piets sell for (tools) 17. 08:44 AM - Nearly 30 hours of "shoptime" over the past 3 days (aerocarjake) 18. 08:55 AM - Re: Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 19. 08:59 AM - Re: Logos (Gboothe5) 20. 09:16 AM - Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! (Michael Perez) 21. 09:28 AM - Re: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs (Blue Sky) 22. 09:42 AM - OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 23. 10:08 AM - Re: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages (Michael Perez) 24. 10:41 AM - Re: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages (K5YAC) 25. 12:05 PM - Re: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 26. 12:19 PM - Re: Re: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 27. 01:05 PM - Logos (Gary Boothe) 28. 02:12 PM - The Art of Pietenpol (jeff wilson) 29. 02:20 PM - Re: Riblet 612 cg range? (rorichts) 30. 03:43 PM - Re: Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "d (C N Campbell) 31. 03:59 PM - Re: Logo's (airlion) 32. 04:06 PM - Re: Logo's (Gary Boothe) 33. 04:19 PM - Re: Logo's (airlion) 34. 04:25 PM - Re: Logo's (Gary Boothe) 35. 04:38 PM - Re: Logo's (airlion) 36. 04:44 PM - Re: Logo's (Gary Boothe) 37. 04:47 PM - Re: Water bombing (regchief) 38. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Water bombing (Gary Boothe) 39. 06:30 PM - Re: The Art of Pietenpol (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 40. 09:46 PM - Size of the turtle deck stringers (Mark Roberts) 41. 09:55 PM - Houston area Piets (Oscar Zuniga) 42. 11:33 PM - Re: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs From: Gerry Holland Cliff Hi from England. Please find attached 2 photos of an SE5A replica (7/8 Scale) here in West of England. This probably has most of what you want to confirm your feelings for long exhaust etc. This one is powered by a C90 and has an 80 inch plus Prop made by Alan James, the Mr Pietenpol of UK. The engine area is made up to look authentic using dummy spark plugs and manifold and traditional radiator nose area. It sounds great. I will edit a video clip and upload to You Tube later and send a URL for you to take a look. A Pietenpol would look good with some of this. Mind you I like the Ford A setup flying behind a radiator! Regards Gerry Gerry Holland gholland@content-stream.co.uk +44 (0)7808 402404 White Ox Mead Airstrip, Bath. England ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:20 AM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs Cliff A You Tube video of the earlier mentioned SE5A replica for sound effect! Go for it. I can get more information on the set up if you need it. Perhaps you shouldn't be encouraged!! Gerry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9B7L3q14Mw ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:03:47 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Something more soothing........ Thanks Kevin, I'm looking forward to getting it done, bit by bit, no great rush.....low and slow you know - 'low' (still on the ground) and 'slow' (slow building pace)...but fun all the same. Mark Stanley Japan Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: kevinpurtee Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 1:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Something more soothing........ Very nice, Mark. Congratulations. Slow progress is still progress. @Jeff - Shush about your workmanship. We've all seen your project and it looks darn good. do not archive or larry the curmudgeon will be angry -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363947#363947 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:18:45 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's I thought you wre wanting us to help you choose, Gary Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:04 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's List, This email was sent in haste, just as I was shutting down, and meant to be private to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are the property of the designer, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a good selection of what he is able to do. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Really? How about now? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's i didn't get anything to look at john http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:44:54 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs A Swiss Silencer (pg. 111, "Firewall Forward" by Tony B.) would be a good option to consider. Running along the bottom, as seems to be typical, wouldn't have quite the romance of the SE-5 but looks like a good muffler option.... JM -----Original Message----- From: Lyle Fast Sent: Jan 15, 2012 7:51 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs I expect it will get very hot! I figured it might melt the fabric glue. It also adds weight. I don't recommend it. But I love it and can't wait to hear it, I have never liked the sound or low/mid range performance of short headers on engines and the engine sound, low/mid range performance is a huge piece of the experience for me(I ride a harley). I am also a soloist so passenger considerations are low on my priorities. Lyle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs From: rmueller23@gmail.com Another consideration, if carrying passengers, you now need to consider avoiding their scalding themselves as they ingress/egress...if wanting the long pipe, maybe route it under the fuse.....just a thought... On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 4:24 PM, C N Campbell wrote: How hot does that get and how far back does it get hot? If it gets hot TOO far back, I would surely scald myself. C ----- Original Message ----- From: Lyle Fast Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs Have had this mocked up for about a month, SE5 was also my inspiration, the book I read said pilots loved the long pipes. No muffler just a stainless flexible exhaust joint. Lyle From: douweblumberg@earthlink.net Subject: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs Hey Michael, They weigh the same, as they are basically the same engine, unless you get the newest O-200 (as has been stated). The benefit of the C-90 over the O-200 is that it produces more torque at a slower speed, allowing for a larger prop, which performs better on a draggy airframe like this one. The O-200 was designed to spin a much smaller prop, much faster for slicker airframes, and while it certainly will fly a Piet, just not as nicely as a larger prop (this from guys who have flown in both, not heresay). The guy who built my engine up is a great guy who was recommended by Jack Textor and does great work. He has all the parts for a C-90 and a couple O-200s he could modify, but not sure if you wanted to do the work yourself. You can contact me offline and Ill give you his email if you want to chat with him. I wanted the weight up front so left the starter on, a everything I could leave on to approximate the weight of the Ford which balanced perfectly. I did not want to stick the nose out there! Ill try to post some pics of the exhaust/muffler/heat muff set up. One side is finished, but Ill take shots while I put the other side together. Basically, it looks like a WWI SE5 exhaust. Two downtubes from the cylinders turn back and will run back alongside the fuselage. There is a 24, 4 diameter muffler just under the cylinders. From the outside it looks like one piece, but the back is a muffler with some baffles inside and the front is a heat shroud. Right side does the carb, left side does cockpit heat (for my wifes toes). Gonna wrap them in exhaust wrap to keep the shroud heat hot, and for a cool look. The side pipes will run joint these units through a ball joint and will run back a bit past the pilots cockpit. Douwe st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:20 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logos From: helspersew@aol.com Gary Gary Gary...... You let the cat out of the bag. Rambo is now going to have a real field da y with this. You got a one-in-seven chance of showing up at Brodhead with t he same logo! This is going to drive you certifiably nuts worrying about th is now. UGH. Should have taken Markle's advice.....wait to hit that send bu tton. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive, by order of the Top Curmudgeon -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's List, This email was sent in haste, just as I was shutting down, and meant to be private to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are the p roperty of the designer, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a goo d selection of what he is able to do Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Really? How about now? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's i didn't get anything to look at john http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:32:26 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Ha! Really wasn't my intent.but, as long as they are out there.Well, I doubt if anyone in Pietenpol Land really has any opinions about anything.;-) Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:16 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's I thought you wre wanting us to help you choose, Gary Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:04 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's List, This email was sent in haste, just as I was shutting down, and meant to be private to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are the property of the designer, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a good selection of what he is able to do. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Really? How about now? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's i didn't get anything to look at john http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:34:45 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logos Stupidstupidstupid(waiting to hit the send button) Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:24 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logos Gary Gary Gary...... You let the cat out of the bag. Rambo is now going to have a real field day with this. You got a one-in-seven chance of showing up at Brodhead with the same logo! This is going to drive you certifiably nuts worrying about this now. UGH. Should have taken Markle's advice.....wait to hit that send button. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive, by order of the Top Curmudgeon -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's List, This email was sent in haste, just as I was shutting down, and meant to be private to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are the property of the designer, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a good selection of what he is able to do Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Really? How about now? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's i didn't get anything to look at john http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:11 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logos One in seven? I think I can get all seven on my airplane=2C in addition to Loensloe! Gene do not archive To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logos From: helspersew@aol.com Gary Gary Gary...... You let the cat out of the bag. Rambo is now going to have a real field da y with this. You got a one-in-seven chance of showing up at Brodhead with t he same logo! This is going to drive you certifiably nuts worrying about th is now. UGH. Should have taken Markle's advice.....wait to hit that send bu tton. Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN do not archive=2C by order of the Top Curmudgeon -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Sun=2C Jan 15=2C 2012 10:08 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's List=2C This email was sent in haste=2C just as I was shutting down=2C and meant to be private to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are t he property of the designer=2C and not meant for copy. However=2C you now s ee a good selection of what he is able to do=85 Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday=2C January 15=2C 2012 6:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Really? How about now? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Sunday=2C January 15=2C 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's i didn't get anything to look at john http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronic s.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:37 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! At least I'm disconcerted!! As one who has participated in this list for at least eight or nine years and reads it almost daily, I can objectively say that the tone has most definitely changed recently, and not for the good. The two great benefits of this list for me have been: 1 the wealth of knowledge freely shared 2. The camaraderie and encouragement I have found as I've built and learned, learned and built on this beautiful little time machine we call the Pietenpol. The tone of the list in general has always been very helpful, upbeat, respectful, patient, polite, generally forebearing and. truthful , all at the same time. I enjoyed these qualities very much and also the fact that "unpietenpol" issues were rarely interjected such as politics, or other worldly concerns. It seemed to keep the flavor of the time this plane was designed when we pulled together as Americans to create something that we found worthwhile and interesting, the same qualities I think we all cherish about Brodhead for example. Gentlemen, (and gentlewomen) my plea is that all of us on this list strive to re-capture that tone in ALL our correspondence. Here are some thoughts: 1. Let's leave politics, current-issues etc off the list as much as possible. 2. Let's try to be patient, encouraging and (here's a word we don't hear much these days) Forbearing with/to to each other, especially newbies, eccentrics, and yes knuckleheads. while we're being truthful. 3. If you disagree with a course of action, that's great! But phrase it in a gentlemanly, encouraging, non-demeaning or non-sarcastic way, and please. learn when to stop. 4. PLEASE let's stop the ever increasing use of profanity that is sliding into our communications, it's just not needed. 5. The point is, we're trying to help each other and enjoy some fellowship in a common interest. 6. We should all see ourselves as "ambassadors" for the plane we love and the legacy of Bernard Pietenpol and conduct ourselves accordingly. 7. At the end of the day, even if we disagree on stuff, JUST BE NICE TO EACHOTHER!! 8. Here's a new one.use no language not heard in "the Great Waldo Pepper" and we'll be on track!!(seriously, not a bad idea!) This list has truly been a great enjoyment to me, something I look forward to each morning, and an invaluable asset to my build and rebuild. I also know it has always possessed a uniquely positive tone, without the modern "hard-edge" our culture has developed (and which almost all similar lists degenerate into). Let us get back on track. Let's emulate in our communications the humble man who designed our beautiful planes. He was honest, humble, soft spoken could speak the truth, but gently and firmly, always backed up with common sense and practical knowledge. We could choose far worse. Douwe ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:47 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! Douwe, well said. To "profanity" I would like to add "vulgarity". Love the list, anyway!!!! C ----- Original Message ----- From: Douwe Blumberg To: pietenpolgroup Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! At least I'm disconcerted!! As one who has participated in this list for at least eight or nine years and reads it almost daily, I can objectively say that the tone has most definitely changed recently, and not for the good. The two great benefits of this list for me have been: 1 the wealth of knowledge freely shared 2. The camaraderie and encouragement I have found as I've built and learned, learned and built on this beautiful little time machine we call the Pietenpol. The tone of the list in general has always been very helpful, upbeat, respectful, patient, polite, generally forebearing and. truthful , all at the same time. I enjoyed these qualities very much and also the fact that "unpietenpol" issues were rarely interjected such as politics, or other worldly concerns. It seemed to keep the flavor of the time this plane was designed when we pulled together as Americans to create something that we found worthwhile and interesting, the same qualities I think we all cherish about Brodhead for example. Gentlemen, (and gentlewomen) my plea is that all of us on this list strive to re-capture that tone in ALL our correspondence. Here are some thoughts: 1.. Let's leave politics, current-issues etc off the list as much as possible. 2.. Let's try to be patient, encouraging and (here's a word we don't hear much these days) Forbearing with/to to each other, especially newbies, eccentrics, and yes knuckleheads. while we're being truthful. 3.. If you disagree with a course of action, that's great! But phrase it in a gentlemanly, encouraging, non-demeaning or non-sarcastic way, and please. learn when to stop. 4.. PLEASE let's stop the ever increasing use of profanity that is sliding into our communications, it's just not needed. 5.. The point is, we're trying to help each other and enjoy some fellowship in a common interest. 6.. We should all see ourselves as "ambassadors" for the plane we love and the legacy of Bernard Pietenpol and conduct ourselves accordingly. 7.. At the end of the day, even if we disagree on stuff, JUST BE NICE TO EACHOTHER!! 8.. Here's a new one.use no language not heard in "the Great Waldo Pepper" and we'll be on track!!(seriously, not a bad idea!) This list has truly been a great enjoyment to me, something I look forward to each morning, and an invaluable asset to my build and rebuild. I also know it has always possessed a uniquely positive tone, without the modern "hard-edge" our culture has developed (and which almost all similar lists degenerate into). Let us get back on track. Let's emulate in our communications the humble man who designed our beautiful planes. He was honest, humble, soft spoken could speak the truth, but gently and firmly, always backed up with common sense and practical knowledge. We could choose far worse. Douwe ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "d From: "Bill Church" Chuck, Please don't add vulgarity. I think we have enough already. :) BC do not archive (by order of the Top Curmudgeon) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363989#363989 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:24 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! I agree completely, Douwe. Using language from TGWP, "You BASTARD! You dirty rotten Bastard!" I think that was the coarsest thing said in that movie. I've been a constant subscriber to this list since its earliest days, when it was transitioned to Matronics from Steve Eldredge's list at BYU back about 1997. It has been a good source of information and inspiration, as well as entertainment. The best thing about it has been the friends that I have made, with introductions on the list and then face-to-face meeting at Brodhead (with the exception of Kevin Purtee, whom I first met at Brodhead before I ever saw a post from him on the list). I know I've been guilty of posting what I thought was a humorous comment, only to find I've offended someone unintentionally (usually about a Corvair, but I should realize that broken crankshafts are nothing to laugh about. JUST KIDDING). I do try to offer advice (when asked), and encouragement - particularly to brand new builders. Mike Cuy has traditionally been the ambassador of good will on this list, but lately personal issues have kept him away. We need him back to keep us away from the dark side. So keep building, keep posting, but think about your comments before hitting Send. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:56 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! At least I'm disconcerted!! As one who has participated in this list for at least eight or nine years and reads it almost daily, I can objectively say that the tone has most definitely changed recently, and not for the good. The two great benefits of this list for me have been: 1 the wealth of knowledge freely shared 2. The camaraderie and encouragement I have found as I've built and learned, learned and built on this beautiful little time machine we call the Pietenpol. The tone of the list in general has always been very helpful, upbeat, respectful, patient, polite, generally forebearing and. truthful , all at the same time. I enjoyed these qualities very much and also the fact that "unpietenpol" issues were rarely interjected such as politics, or other worldly concerns. It seemed to keep the flavor of the time this plane was designed when we pulled together as Americans to create something that we found worthwhile and interesting, the same qualities I think we all cherish about Brodhead for example. Gentlemen, (and gentlewomen) my plea is that all of us on this list strive to re-capture that tone in ALL our correspondence. Here are some thoughts: 1. Let's leave politics, current-issues etc off the list as much as possible. 2. Let's try to be patient, encouraging and (here's a word we don't hear much these days) Forbearing with/to to each other, especially newbies, eccentrics, and yes knuckleheads. while we're being truthful. 3. If you disagree with a course of action, that's great! But phrase it in a gentlemanly, encouraging, non-demeaning or non-sarcastic way, and please. learn when to stop. 4. PLEASE let's stop the ever increasing use of profanity that is sliding into our communications, it's just not needed. 5. The point is, we're trying to help each other and enjoy some fellowship in a common interest. 6. We should all see ourselves as "ambassadors" for the plane we love and the legacy of Bernard Pietenpol and conduct ourselves accordingly. 7. At the end of the day, even if we disagree on stuff, JUST BE NICE TO EACHOTHER!! 8. Here's a new one.use no language not heard in "the Great Waldo Pepper" and we'll be on track!!(seriously, not a bad idea!) This list has truly been a great enjoyment to me, something I look forward to each morning, and an invaluable asset to my build and rebuild. I also know it has always possessed a uniquely positive tone, without the modern "hard-edge" our culture has developed (and which almost all similar lists degenerate into). Let us get back on track. Let's emulate in our communications the humble man who designed our beautiful planes. He was honest, humble, soft spoken could speak the truth, but gently and firmly, always backed up with common sense and practical knowledge. We could choose far worse. Douwe ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:07:18 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! I agree with Douwe's post 100%.- I hope we all take time to think prior t o posting and keep in mind that some of us have little ones and spouses loo king over our shoulders as we read the latests postings. - As you all may know, I work every day with Mike Cuy. We are in the same bui lding, offices 10 feet apart and talk daily. There are many reasons for his "lack of contibutions" lately to the list, but I know that during his time off from here, he has re-focused and has chosen to make adjustments in-h is emotions, attitude and mindset. I feel he is better for it...I see and h ear it everyday at work now. - - Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:24 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! I believe the thinking before hitting send might have worked here. I think Mike can make his own statements regarding his personal life=2C if he want s it made public. Gene do not archive Date: Mon=2C 16 Jan 2012 07:04:52 -0800 From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior ag ain? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! I agree with Douwe's post 100%. I hope we all take time to think prior to posting and keep in mind that some of us have little ones and spouses looki ng over our shoulders as we read the latests postings. As you all may know=2C I work every day with Mike Cuy. We are in the same b uilding=2C offices 10 feet apart and talk daily. There are many reasons for his "lack of contibutions" lately to the list=2C but I know that during hi s time off from here=2C he has re-focused and has chosen to make adjustment s in his emotions=2C attitude and mindset. I feel he is better for it...I s ee and hear it everyday at work now. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what Piets sell for From: "tools" I paid a little less, 12.5, which I considered a good deal at the time. Now that I'm a plane owner, talking more with other plane owners, I consider it a GREAT deal. A friend of mine has a 172... which was flying a little crooked. To make a LONG story short, TEN THOUSAND DOLLARS later, a wing was repaired, repainted and installed, and it should fly straight now... I replaced a landing gear leg for about $5. LOVE THIS PLANE! Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363996#363996 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nearly 30 hours of "shoptime" over the past 3 days From: "aerocarjake" Hello good Piet-ple... Just a note to say I was able to enjoy nearly 30 hours of time in the shop over the past three days - Saturday being the longest and most pleasant 13 hours. (I had Friday off because I work 9 hours each workday and get every-other-Friday off) These days it's making and jigging all the little tabs that will be welded to the frame to mount the floorboards. A local sheet metal shop sheared the 1.5 x 0.75 pieces, then each one gets drilled in a jig, bent in my press brake (see pix), drilled for the nutplate, ground over the sharp corners, and jigged in place awaiting the welder...... I only need to do this about 28 times :-) Having a wonderful time....... Now back to work (Boeing does not get MLK day off) with memories of a fine three-day weekend........... Hope all you get a three-day weekend and find the Pietenpol as part of it... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363999#363999 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tabs_737.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:55:14 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! Jack, I watched TGWP just last night with the family. I am a Christian and really try to keep things family oriented. Cursing in the movie consists of: Bastard, Son of a Bitch and God Dammit! It also has talk about how sex sells. But it is very mild compared to much of what is on TV today. My boys hear much worse at school and when their friends play current music (including country!) I really like keeping the list Civil. Though it is somewhat like watching two kids at school yell names at each other. Entertaining in its own right. Blue Skies, Steve "Just lurking until I can buy a Piet" D ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! > I agree completely, Douwe. Using language from TGWP, "You BASTARD! > You > dirty rotten Bastard!" I think that was the coarsest thing said in > thatmovie. > > > > I've been a constant subscriber to this list since its earliest > days, when > it was transitioned to Matronics from Steve Eldredge's list at BYU > backabout 1997. It has been a good source of information and > inspiration, as > well as entertainment. The best thing about it has been the > friends that I > have made, with introductions on the list and then face-to-face > meeting at > Brodhead (with the exception of Kevin Purtee, whom I first met at > Brodheadbefore I ever saw a post from him on the list). > > > > I know I've been guilty of posting what I thought was a humorous > comment,only to find I've offended someone unintentionally (usually > about a Corvair, > but I should realize that broken crankshafts are nothing to laugh > about.JUST KIDDING). I do try to offer advice (when asked), and > encouragement - > particularly to brand new builders. Mike Cuy has traditionally > been the > ambassador of good will on this list, but lately personal issues > have kept > him away. We need him back to keep us away from the dark side. > > > > So keep building, keep posting, but think about your comments > before hitting > Send. > > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe > Blumberg > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 8:56 AM > To: pietenpolgroup > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly > behavior again? > we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! > > > > At least I'm disconcerted!! > > > > As one who has participated in this list for at least eight or nine > yearsand reads it almost daily, I can objectively say that the tone > has most > definitely changed recently, and not for the good. > > > > The two great benefits of this list for me have been: 1 the wealth of > knowledge freely shared 2. The camaraderie and encouragement I have > found as > I've built and learned, learned and built on this beautiful little > timemachine we call the Pietenpol. > > > > The tone of the list in general has always been very helpful, upbeat, > respectful, patient, polite, generally forebearing and. truthful , > all at > the same time. I enjoyed these qualities very much and also the > fact that > "unpietenpol" issues were rarely interjected such as politics, or > otherworldly concerns. It seemed to keep the flavor of the time > this plane was > designed when we pulled together as Americans to create something > that we > found worthwhile and interesting, the same qualities I think we all > cherishabout Brodhead for example. > > > > Gentlemen, (and gentlewomen) my plea is that all of us on this list > striveto re-capture that tone in ALL our correspondence. Here are > some thoughts: > > > > 1. Let's leave politics, current-issues etc off the list as much as > possible. > 2. Let's try to be patient, encouraging and (here's a word we don't > hear much these days) Forbearing with/to to each other, especially > newbies,eccentrics, and yes knuckleheads. while we're being truthful. > 3. If you disagree with a course of action, that's great! But > phrase it > in a gentlemanly, encouraging, non-demeaning or non-sarcastic way, and > please. learn when to stop. > 4. PLEASE let's stop the ever increasing use of profanity that is > sliding into our communications, it's just not needed. > 5. The point is, we're trying to help each other and enjoy some > fellowship in a common interest. > 6. We should all see ourselves as "ambassadors" for the plane we love > and the legacy of Bernard Pietenpol and conduct ourselves accordingly. > 7. At the end of the day, even if we disagree on stuff, JUST BE > NICE TO > EACHOTHER!! > 8. Here's a new one.use no language not heard in "the Great Waldo > Pepper" and we'll be on track!!(seriously, not a bad idea!) > > > > This list has truly been a great enjoyment to me, something I look > forwardto each morning, and an invaluable asset to my build and > rebuild. I also > know it has always possessed a uniquely positive tone, without the > modern"hard-edge" our culture has developed (and which almost all > similar lists > degenerate into). Let us get back on track. Let's emulate in our > communications the humble man who designed our beautiful planes. > He was > honest, humble, soft spoken could speak the truth, but gently and > firmly,always backed up with common sense and practical knowledge. > We could choose > far worse. > > > > Douwe > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:57 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logos I knew it!! .stayed awake all night with visions of Gene enlarging and printing copies.taping them on his plane. Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 5:41 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logos One in seven? I think I can get all seven on my airplane, in addition to Loensloe! Gene do not archive _____ Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logos From: helspersew@aol.com Gary Gary Gary...... You let the cat out of the bag. Rambo is now going to have a real field day with this. You got a one-in-seven chance of showing up at Brodhead with the same logo! This is going to drive you certifiably nuts worrying about this now. UGH. Should have taken Markle's advice.....wait to hit that send button. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive, by order of the Top Curmudgeon -----Original Message----- From: Gboothe5 Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2012 10:08 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's List, This email was sent in haste, just as I was shutting down, and meant to be private to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are the property of the designer, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a good selection of what he is able to do. Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Really? How about now? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's i didn't get anything to look at john http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 09:16:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! Perhaps you're right. I am sure Mike, when he sees this post, he Will respo nd. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Mon, 1/16/12, Gene Rambo wrote: From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior ag ain? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! I-believe the thinking before hitting send might have worked here.--I think-Mike can make his own statements regarding his personal life, if h e wants it made public. - Gene - do not archive - From: speedbrake@sbcglobal.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior ag ain? we're "disconcerting the masses" guys! I agree with Douwe's post 100%.- I hope we all take time to think prior t o posting and keep in mind that some of us have little ones and spouses loo king over our shoulders as we read the latests postings. - As you all may know, I work every day with Mike Cuy. We are in the same bui lding, offices 10 feet apart and talk daily. There are many reasons for his "lack of contibutions" lately to the list, but I know that during his time off from here, he has re-focused and has chosen to make adjustments in-h is emotions, attitude and mindset. I feel he is better for it...I see and h ear it everyday at work now. - - Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs From: "Blue Sky" Not my thread but thanks for the pics, etc. Very cool! Lyle -------- My passion for the landscape has lead me to the sky. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364006#364006 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:42:44 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages For Christmas we bought my grandson a Hobbyzone RTF Remote Control Champ. About $100. It is a great purchase for an "airminded" AKA "Plane crazy" ten year old kid. I was able to coach him to flying and landing in two lessons. The first session was two short flights ending in crashes that broke a wing off. After tape and glue repairs and some internet video research, the second session had him doing OK with us chasing the plane from "out" landings. Now 5 Sessions in he can do a loop, Outside loop, Hammerheads and land the plane within 20 feet of us. He is learning a lot. I think the next thing (in several months) will be a plane that needs some building. Then one he builds from a kit. then build from scratch. Good purchase. Plane is easy to learn, easy to repair and has a lot of performance for the price. Blue Skies, Steve D Right now he is talking in my ear asking why we can't just attach wings and fly ourselves. ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:53 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages Cool! What would he think about RC helicopters? (My personal choice.) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages From: "K5YAC" I agree, a great idea fora "plane crazy" kiddo. My guy is only 7, but he's pretty good on the simulator and has been asking me for an R/C airplane for sometime. My intention was to wait until he could build his own, but those skills may be several years away... hate to discourage him from the hobby when he seems so interested. Plus, he asked Santa, and Santa knows that he's been good. ;-) He's not flying solo yet, but maybe next time out. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364016#364016 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/catoosa_20111225_00521_793.jpg ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:05:33 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages He piddles with the Tiny Air Hog RC choppers but too many crashes and hitting things in the house. (I think his has a flaw and does not steer right. Besides, He wanted a "real" plane. I think we will look at anouther Air Hog in several months. His father got all excited a couple of years ago and bought a Stealth fighter RC. It is at best a mid level aircraft. they crashed it and were too discouraged. It is in the attack waiting for his skills to catchup. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages > Cool! What would he think about RC helicopters? (My personal choice.) > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:36 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages In My Humble Opinion. He Might be able to control this. It is only throttle, right/left rudder and elevator. No ailerons. After the first crash damage I had him taxi it around the kitchen with a piece of Ducttape (Piet content :-) limiting the throttle. That taught him not to go to the limits on the controls all the time. There are two settings for the control speed. Faster and slower for learning. You push a button until a light flashes and then the controls react slower. After several sessions, we set put it on faster controls and That is where he flys it now. The plane has "Autoland" that means when you throttle back and release the controls it simply rolls level and glides to the ground. IF it is in a serious dive, it will begin to recover but may not in time. (just like real planes. ) Here is a video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVPGPqYKzdQ&feature=related Blue Skies, Steve D BTW I have almost zero RC experience. I have not flown this plane. It is the province of my 10 year old. He is becoming the RC expert. ----- Original Message ----- From: K5YAC Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: OT Great Ready to fly Model plane for kids of all ages > > I agree, a great idea fora "plane crazy" kiddo. My guy is only 7, but he's pretty good on the simulator and has been asking me for > an R/C airplane for sometime. My intention was to wait until he > could build his own, but those skills may be several years away... > hate to discourage him from the hobby when he seems so interested. > Plus, he asked Santa, and Santa knows that he's been good. ;-) > > He's not flying solo yet, but maybe next time out. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364016#364016 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/catoosa_20111225_00521_793.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:05:53 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logos List, Not only has my graphics designer forgiven me for mistakenly posting his work, he has included it on his Facebook page, Brett Naillon Design (with my permission). You will find him very willing to personalize your logo designs, in almost any manner you wish. Whew!!!! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:12:16 PM PST US From: jeff wilson Subject: Pietenpol-List: The Art of Pietenpol We are all Artists=0A=0AI have been following this forum for about 3 years now. Didn't really introduce myself as a newby 'cause I'm not really. Been studying and reading about homebuilts for 30 years. EAA member that long to o. Got my Piet plans 20 years ago. Kids are out of college so I started bui lding about 2 years ago. I'm also restoring another Piet with EAA Chapt. 64 . With some luck we may just make it to Brodhead this year.=0A=0AHaving fou nd this rich and informative resource called the Pietenpol list, I sure hop e everyone remains on board.=0AReading this list everyday is kind of like w atching your favorite TV show where you know all the characters. I hope thi s shows ratings remain high and it never gets cancelled.=0A=0AReprinted bel ow are some very inspirational words from some other respected=C2- Piet P eople that I thought might be welcome reading today:=0A=C2-=0ADouwe, the artist, creates beautiful work with hands and now with his words. =0A------ ------------------------------------------------------=0A1. Let=99 s leave politics, current-issues etc off the list as much as possible.=C2 - =0A2. Let=99s try to be patient, encouraging and (here =99s a word we don=99t hear much these days) Forbearing with/to to ea ch other, especially newbies, eccentrics, and yes knuckleheads whi le we=99re being truthful.=0A3. If you disagree with a course of a ction, that=99s great! But phrase it in a gentlemanly, encouraging, n on-demeaning or non-sarcastic way, and please learn when to stop. =0A4. PLEASE let=99s stop the ever increasing use of profanity tha t is sliding into our communications, it=99s just not needed.=0A5. The point is, we=99re trying to help each other and enjoy some fello wship in a common interest.=0A6. We should all see ourselves as =9Cambassadors=9D for the plane we love and the legacy of Bernard Pie tenpol and conduct ourselves accordingly.=0A7. At the end of the day, ev en if we disagree on stuff, JUST BE NICE TO EACHOTHER!!=0A8. Here =99s a new oneuse no language not heard in =9Cthe Great Wald o Pepper=9D and we=99ll be on track!!(seriously, not a bad idea !)=0AThanks Douwe.=0A------------------------------------------------------ --------------------------------------=0A=0A=0AOscar Zuniga - Engineer, Pie tenpoler and Poet.=0A=0A--------------------------------------=0A=0A=0AI'm an engineer.=C2- Logical, rational, methodical.=C2- And yet, I=0A=0Afal l for the lure of the open cockpit and the "scent of an airplane"=0A=0Athat comes from the wood and fabric of my Pietenpol, without rhyme=0A=0Aor reas on.=C2- It's the perfect elixir of avgas, exhaust, wood, and=0A=0Asome su blime mixture that Ray Stits or Bernard Pietenpol or=0A=0Asomebody came up with in a back room somewhere.=C2- Heck, for all I=0A=0Aknow there is a J ohn Stromberg and a Fred Continental who also=0A=0Asat in the room and spri nkled some kind of pixie dust in the vial=0A=0Ato come up with the intoxica ting stuff.=C2- It comes out of these=0A=0Aold airplanes, from their exha usts and cockpits and propwashes,=0A=0Aand fills our senses and leads us ar ound on a leash like puppies.=0A=0A=0AWhatever it is, it's more potent than wine, women, or song.=C2- It's=0A=0Awhat keeps pulling us back to the ha ngar, to the cockpit, to the=0A=0Aprop, throttle, and stick.=0A=0A=0AWe go nowhere on these flights... we start and end up at the same place.=C2- It 's=0A=0Alike a ride that ends too soon but the next one is only as far away =0A=0Aas the hangar door and the fuel valve, so we can keep going back=0A =0Aagain and again.=C2- We fly the same routine, feel the same sensations =0A=0Athrough the wires and controls, feel the same blast of air on our=0A =0Afaces, but each time it's new again, and perfect.=C2- There is just no =0A=0Aexplanation for what it is about flying these old airplanes.=0A------ ------------------=0ASure there is Oscar, its romance. The kind we cannot s hare with our spouses because it can almost spark the flame of jealousy. Th ats why we are all attracted to this site. Here we can express our love amo ng like minded folk and be understood.=0A=0A------------------------------- -----------------------------------------------=0A.....and of course the "P ietenpol Preamble"=0A------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------=0A=C2-=0APietenpol Preamble=0A=C2-=0A=C3=BC=C2 - Building an airplane isn't for everyone.=C2- We have some PhD researc hers here where I work that understand nanotechnology almost to sub-atomic levels yet I wouldn't let some of them even try to help me duct tape two pi eces of wood together because they just don't have a mechanical mind or han ds. =0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- When you get frustrated, take a break, step back, do some doodling, sketch out some of your ideas, read the Tony Bingelis bo oks=C2- (if you don't buy them I will push pins into some voodoo doll:) =C2- (thanks for mentioning those books Jack Phillips--you're right!)=C2 -and take your time. =0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- Don't over think things.=C2- =C2-=C2-Just buy aircraft grade wood, glue, 4130 steel, and real AN har dware.=C2-=C2-=C2-If you must substitute non-aircraft grade materials really make sure you're not doing it on something super critical like your wing strut attachment=0Abolts or propeller bolts. =0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- Ev ery time you try to go cheap or cut corners, think of who you might kill be cause you needed to save $25 that week.=C2-=C2-=C2-Just wait until yo u have enough money to buy something you know is of good quality. =0A=0A=0A =C3=BC=C2- Being thrifty is a great thing about homebuilding-- do scroung e, do look for discarded project wood bundles, instruments, hardware, and u sed motors, wheels, and brakes but don't pull a Sanford and Son if only for the Young Eagle rides you might give or that ride to your loving wife or c hildren.=C2-=C2-=C2-=0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- Some like to pontificate, y ack, do multi-year research projects on exactly what is the best widget to use to glue a gusset to a cap strip and some like to build a good solid to- the-plans airplane and enjoy flying it.=C2-=C2-=C2-Every day you wast e reinventing the wheel is that many more days you don't have on this earth to enjoy flying your completed airplane.=C2-=C2- If you're a thinker a nd love to do that kind of research, have at it, enjoy it, and you'll learn more than any of the rest of us and I'd love to be the one to listen to he ar what you've learned but if you want to build, finish, and enjoy flying i t, all the power to your type of personality as well.=C2-=C2-Both types are ALWAYS welcomed here.=C2- We are all different and whatever suites y ou best--you do it. =0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- Don't listen to old wives tales a bout construction techniques.=C2- Unless you're talking with an A&P mecha nic, a guy or gal who has actually=C2-built and flown an airplane success fully, or someone that you really trust who has outstanding aircraft knowle dge, just believe what methods and techniques for building that are contain ed in the Tony Bingelis books. I believe that Tony built and flew 7 airplan es over his lifetime and his books were the final word for me, the bible if you will of helping me make my decisions when I got whishy-washy unsure an d conflicting answers to my questions to the list or the guys out at the ai rport. =0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- There are a zillion ways to do just about ever y part of the airplane but generally speaking, unless you are making a cosm etic change (like I did by raising my firewall, instrument panels, and turt le deck 1" higher than the plans show) you'll save yourself lots of headach es by using the design that has proven to fly good as blueprinted over 80 y ears ago now. =C2-Not to say that there are many great modifications that folks have come up with because they have and some of them are BETTER than how the plane was designed in the first place but the fact remains that if you are not comfortable with redesigning the wheel and your gut gives you a lousy feeling about this part or that-- don't do it. =0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2 - There are some REALLY great modifications I love that I wish I would ha ve incorporated into my plane.=C2-Make the wing longer---your plane will be able to LIFT=0A>more weight on the same power.=C2-Aeronca Champs and C ubs have what, 35 foot long wings and they can lift TONS of weight but the Piet wing is only 29 feet long.=C2-Bill Rewey, Jack Phillips and others h ave longer wings than plans or wider center sections to make the effective overall wing longer which is a GREAT move to make!=C2-If I had to do it o ver again I would add probably 2 or 3 feet to my overall wingspan.=C2- Pr obably 3.=C2- =C2- =0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- Don't worry about setting a ti me table.=C2- I foolishly proclaimed I would finish my plane in 2 years a nd experienced builders upon hearing this would have to visibly suppress th eir laughter and it made me frustrated because I was going to prove them wr ong.=C2-=C2-Yeah right.=C2-=C2-See 11 for answer)=0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2 - Mike Cuy's Builder's Rule of Thumb for Task Completion Prediction Time Frames:=C2- Whatever amount of time you think it will take you to complet e a task, multiply it by 2 for the realistic time it will take=C2- you. =C2- Your mileage may vary but my fantasy-to-reality conversion time fact or was 2. =0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- You will learn an enormous amount of really enjoyable new skills and=C2-talents by the time you finish your airplane .=C2-=C2-=C2-Perhaps you'll learn how to weld, to lace wire wheels, t o cut Lexan or form Plexiglas, to orient wood grain properly, how to correc tly install bolts and why they go in this way and not that way,=C2- you'l l learn how to apply fabric,=C2- how to rib stitch, how to spray paint an d put the finishing layers of paint on your plane, you might learn how to r ebuild a nice used Continental A-65 run-out Piper Cub or Luscombe engine or how to overhaul a set of magnetos.=C2-=C2-You'll learn how to choose w hat length and pitch prop to use and how tight to make the bolts and what b olts and nuts are acceptable on metal vs. wood props.=C2-=C2-You'll lea rn maybe how to cut leather and lace it around your cockpit areas or maybe you'll learn how to swage nicopress sleeves on aircraft grade cable to make up all of your various control systems.=C2-=C2-You'll learn to avoid negative people who might say "You're never going to finish this are =C2-you let alone FLY in it are you?"=C2- Think of the money=C2-you'l l save by taking all of those naysayers off of your Christmas card list the n never giving their kids a ride because they were such butt holes when you were in the thick of building the dream of your lifetime.=C2-=C2-=C2 -(okay....you can take them off your Christmas card list but at least giv e their kids rides---they can't help it they have ignorant and negative par ents.)=C2- =C2- =0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- Don't GIVE UP!=C2-=C2-=C2-D o NOT SELL your project EVER!!!!!!!=C2- =C2- Don't go to your sick bed or nursing home saying "gosh, I wish I would have kept that Piet project in stead of selling it because we needed to buy little Johnny a used car."=C2 -=C2-=C2-You can always shelve your project for a few years till kids are thru college or you get thru your divorce or your illness but don't ev er give up your bucket list DREAM of a lifetime.=C2- =C2- How many peop le out there can actually say "YES-- I had this dream since I was about 18 and the Good Lord gave me the opportunity and skills and finances to see fi t that I could do it now at this point in my life and my dream upon a star has come true and now I can give rides, have fun flying it on smooth summer nights, and share what I learned with new Pietenpol builders following tha t very same dream.=C2- =C2- You sure will sleep good knowing you accomp lished building and flying=C2-your own airplane.=C2-=C2-=C2-I can't think of a better bucket list checkmark to have for a person who can't shake that burning de sire to someday build and fly their own airplane. =0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- Las tly and most importantly-- I used to think that building and flying my Piet was the MOST important thing I would do for myself and I knew I wanted to share it, to give rides, and to infect others with how much fun and inexpen sive open cockpit low and slow flying really is but you know what I found w as an even MORE important joy that continues to be far and above the most r ewarding part of my building and flying days?=C2-=C2-The incredibly fon d friendships I have formed with fellow Pietenpol builders, enthusiasts, an d retired Pietenpol flyers and up and coming Pietenpol builders. =0A=0A=0A =C3=BC=C2- I have been blessed by getting to know so amazing people with amazing talents, skills, and even some who can't even cut a piece of paper straight but they can make me laugh until the tears are streaming down my f ace or they will listen to me on the phone about my personal life's issues good or bad, or they will e-mail me off list and ask me how I am doing.=C2 -=C2-=C2-They will share that they just lost a Mom or Dad and I will hurt for them and pray for them.=C2-=C2-=C2-They will do the same for me.=C2-=C2-=C2-Those Pietenpol friends will meet me halfway enroute to Brodhead to share a good meal at a local pub or restaurant, they will le t me know when they will be passing thru Cleveland so I can try to make the m buy me dinner, they will listen to me complain about stupid stuff that I shouldn't even be complaining about and I will do the same for them because they are REALLY special people in my life now and even if I didn't own the airplane anymore or I lost my medical ability to fly, I would still have=0A=0A=0A=C3=BC=C2- Those incredible f riendships that all came about, much to my surprise, just because I decided to build and fly one of these wood crates with wings. =0A=0ACarry on, =0AM ike C.=0A=C2-=0A--------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------=0A=C2-=0AJeff Wilson=0ASt. Louis, MO =0AEAA Chapter 64=0AH49 Hangar 19 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Riblet 612 cg range? From: "rorichts" New to the forum but ran across this on subject list. Interested to know the reasons for choosing the GA30-612 for the Piet. Understand the the 30 but why the 612? I am also interested to know if these airfoils are a refit or have been chosen on the original build? I think that the choice of the Riblett is a good one and interested in thought process that led you to choose same. Also are you putting the spars in the same location as you would have on the the Piet. foil? thanks rich Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364033#364033 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:43:46 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "d I must have said it wrong. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 9:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Please can we find the gentlemanly behavior again? we're "d > > > Chuck, > Please don't add vulgarity. I think we have enough already. :) > > BC > > > do not archive (by order of the Top Curmudgeon) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=363989#363989 > > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:59:20 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's >From Gardiner. There is no prejudice in my family because I've got it all. On a =0Alogo I would not like to see a plane with a different engine on it than I have. =0AHow about a logo with just Pietenpol on it decoratively. Th ere are so many piets =0Aout there and they are all different. Just my 5 bu cks worth. Cheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: Gboothe5 =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Mon, January 16, 2012 8:29:47 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lo go's=0A=0A =0AHa! Really wasn=99t my intentbut, as long as t hey are out thereWell, I doubt if =0Aanyone in Pietenpol Land real ly has any opinions about anything;-)=0A =0ADo not archive=0A =0AF rom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips=0ASent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:16 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenp ol-List: Logo's=0A =0AI thought you wre wanting us to help you choose, Gary =0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A___ _____________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matron ics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5=0ASent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:04 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@mat ronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's=0A =0AList,=0A =0AThis ema il was sent in haste, just as I was shutting down, and meant to be =0Apriva te to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are the =0Apro perty of the designer, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a good =0Aselection of what he is able to do=0A =0AGary=0ADo not archive =0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-piet enpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe=0ASent: Sunday, J anuary 15, 2012 6:50 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: P ietenpol-List: Logo's=0A =0AReally? How about now?=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX30 8MB=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-p ietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of =0AAMsafetyC@aol.com=0ASen t: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:40 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASu bject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's=0A =0Ai didn't get anything to look at=0A =0A =0Ajohn=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol- List=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/con tribution=0A =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpo l-List=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/c ontribution=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-L ist=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ================= =0A ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Thanks, Gardiner, and you=99re right. We are working on a Corvair powered Piet for the logo right now! Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's >From Gardiner. There is no prejudice in my family because I've got it all. On a logo I would not like to see a plane with a different engine on it than I have. How about a logo with just Pietenpol on it decoratively. There are so many piets out there and they are all different. Just my 5 bucks worth. Cheers, Gardiner _____ From: Gboothe5 Sent: Mon, January 16, 2012 8:29:47 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Ha! Really wasn=99t my intentbut, as long as they are out thereWell, I doubt if anyone in Pietenpol Land really has any opinions about anything;-) Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:16 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's I thought you wre wanting us to help you choose, Gary Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:04 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's List, This email was sent in haste, just as I was shutting down, and meant to be private to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are the property of the designer, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a good selection of what he is able to do Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Really? How about now? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's i didn't get anything to look at john http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www===================== ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 04:19:16 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Gary, don't misunderstand me. I think that the logo should include all =0Ad iifferent types of Piets. Is the logo you are looking for is one that every one =0Awill have on their plane? Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A___________________ _____________=0AFrom: Gary Boothe =0ATo: pietenpol-li st@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, January 16, 2012 7:04:05 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pi etenpol-List: Logo's=0A=0A=0AThanks, Gardiner, and you=99re right. We are working on a Corvair powered Piet for =0Athe logo right now! =0A=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0ADo not archive=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-s erver@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] O n Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Monday, January 16, 2012 3:57 PM=0ATo: pietenpo l-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's=0A =0AFrom Gardi ner. There is no prejudice in my family because I've got it all. On a =0Alo go I would not like to see a plane with a different engine on it than I hav e. =0AHow about a logo with just Pietenpol on it decoratively. There are so many piets =0Aout there and they are all different. Just my 5 bucks worth. Cheers, Gardiner=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom:Gboot he5 =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, January 16, 2012 8:29:47 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's=0AHa! Rea lly wasn=99t my intentbut, as long as they are out there Well, I doubt if =0Aanyone in Pietenpol Land really has any opinions about anything;-)=0A =0ADo not archive=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol- list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics. com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips=0ASent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:16 AM=0A =0AI thought you wre wanting us to help you choose, Gary=0A =0AJack Phillip s=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A______________________ __________=0A=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:o wner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5=0ASent: Sun day, January 15, 2012 11:04 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject : RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's=0A =0AList,=0A =0AThis email was sent in haste , just as I was shutting down, and meant to be =0Aprivate to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are the =0Aproperty of the designe r, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a good =0Aselection of what he is able to do=0A =0AGary=0ADo not archive=0A =0AFrom:owner-pie tenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@mat ronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe=0ASent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:50 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's =0A =0AReally? How about now?=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A =0AFrom:owner- pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@ matronics.com] On Behalf Of =0AAMsafetyC@aol.com=0ASent: Sunday, January 15 , 2012 6:40 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol- List: Logo's=0A =0Ai didn't get anything to look at=0A =0A =0Ajohn=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A =0Ahttp://fo rums.matronics.com=0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A =0Ahttp: //forums.matronics.com=0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums .matronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0Ahttp://www= ======================0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.m ========== =0A ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:33 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's No. This is personal to me. Just like =9CLOENSLOE AIR SERVICE=9D is personal to Dan Helsper. Mine is Corvair powered like yours. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Gary, don't misunderstand me. I think that the logo should include all diifferent types of Piets. Is the logo you are looking for is one that everyone will have on their plane? Gardiner _____ From: Gary Boothe Sent: Mon, January 16, 2012 7:04:05 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Thanks, Gardiner, and you=99re right. We are working on a Corvair powered Piet for the logo right now! Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's >From Gardiner. There is no prejudice in my family because I've got it all. On a logo I would not like to see a plane with a different engine on it than I have. How about a logo with just Pietenpol on it decoratively. There are so many piets out there and they are all different. Just my 5 bucks worth. Cheers, Gardiner _____ From: Gboothe5 Sent: Mon, January 16, 2012 8:29:47 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Ha! Really wasn=99t my intentbut, as long as they are out thereWell, I doubt if anyone in Pietenpol Land really has any opinions about anything;-) Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:16 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's I thought you wre wanting us to help you choose, Gary Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:04 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's List, This email was sent in haste, just as I was shutting down, and meant to be private to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are the property of the designer, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a good selection of what he is able to do Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Really? How about now? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's i didn't get anything to look at john http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www===================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www===================== ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 04:38:52 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Gary, in that case then maybe we should call it Nose Art. Mine might be the GA. =0APIET NUT.Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Gary Boothe =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Mon, January 16, 2012 7:23:00 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Lo go's=0A=0A=0ANo. This is personal to me. Just like =9CLOENSLOE AIR SE RVICE=9D is personal to Dan =0AHelsper. Mine is Corvair powered like yours.=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0ADo not archive=0A =0AFrom:owner-pieten pol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matron ics.com] On Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:17 PM=0ATo : pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's=0A =0A Gary, don't misunderstand me. I think that the logo should include all =0Ad iifferent types of Piets. Is the logo you are looking for is one that every one =0Awill have on their plane? Gardiner=0A =0A=0A________________________ ________=0A=0AFrom:Gary Boothe =0ATo: pietenpol-list@ matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, January 16, 2012 7:04:05 PM=0ASubject: RE: Piete npol-List: Logo's=0AThanks, Gardiner, and you=99re right. We are work ing on a Corvair powered Piet for =0Athe logo right now! =0A=0A =0AGary Boo the=0ANX308MB=0ADo not archive=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matro nics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion=0ASent: Monday, January 16, 2012 3:57 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matr onics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's=0A =0AFrom Gardiner. There is no prejudice in my family because I've got it all. On a =0Alogo I would not like to see a plane with a different engine on it than I have. =0AHow a bout a logo with just Pietenpol on it decoratively. There are so many piets =0Aout there and they are all different. Just my 5 bucks worth. Cheers, Ga rdiner=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A=0AFrom:Gboothe5 =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Mon, January 16, 2012 8:29:47 AM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's=0AHa! Really wasn =99t my intentbut, as long as they are out thereWell, I doubt if =0Aanyone in Pietenpol Land really has any opinions about anythi ng;-)=0A =0ADo not archive=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@ matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Beha lf Of Jack Phillips=0ASent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:16 AM=0ATo: pietenpo l-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's=0A =0AI thought you wre wanting us to help you choose, Gary=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP =0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________ =0A=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-piete npol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5=0ASent: Sunday, Janua ry 15, 2012 11:04 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Piet enpol-List: Logo's=0A =0AList,=0A =0AThis email was sent in haste, just as I was shutting down, and meant to be =0Aprivate to John. I trust you will u nderstand that the attachments are the =0Aproperty of the designer, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a good =0Aselection of what he is abl e to do=0A =0AGary=0ADo not archive=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe=0ASent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:50 PM=0ATo: p ietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's=0A =0ARea lly? How about now?=0A =0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpol- list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics. com] On Behalf Of =0AAMsafetyC@aol.com=0ASent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:4 0 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo 's=0A =0Ai didn't get anything to look at=0A =0A =0Ajohn=0A =0A =0A =0Ah ttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matro nics.com=0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A =0Ahttp://for ums.matronics.com=0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.matr onics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0Ahttp://www== =====================0A =0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.m atronics.com=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/contribution=0A =0Ahttp://www= ======================0A =0A =0A =0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahttp://forums.m ========== =0A ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:32 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Need a logo for that? Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Gary, in that case then maybe we should call it Nose Art. Mine might be the GA. PIET NUT.Gardiner _____ From: Gary Boothe Sent: Mon, January 16, 2012 7:23:00 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's No. This is personal to me. Just like =9CLOENSLOE AIR SERVICE=9D is personal to Dan Helsper. Mine is Corvair powered like yours. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Gary, don't misunderstand me. I think that the logo should include all diifferent types of Piets. Is the logo you are looking for is one that everyone will have on their plane? Gardiner _____ From: Gary Boothe Sent: Mon, January 16, 2012 7:04:05 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Thanks, Gardiner, and you=99re right. We are working on a Corvair powered Piet for the logo right now! Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of airlion Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 3:57 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's >From Gardiner. There is no prejudice in my family because I've got it all. On a logo I would not like to see a plane with a different engine on it than I have. How about a logo with just Pietenpol on it decoratively. There are so many piets out there and they are all different. Just my 5 bucks worth. Cheers, Gardiner _____ From: Gboothe5 Sent: Mon, January 16, 2012 8:29:47 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Ha! Really wasn=99t my intentbut, as long as they are out thereWell, I doubt if anyone in Pietenpol Land really has any opinions about anything;-) Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:16 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's I thought you wre wanting us to help you choose, Gary Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gboothe5 Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 11:04 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's List, This email was sent in haste, just as I was shutting down, and meant to be private to John. I trust you will understand that the attachments are the property of the designer, and not meant for copy. However, you now see a good selection of what he is able to do Gary Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:50 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's Really? How about now? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of AMsafetyC@aol.com Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's i didn't get anything to look at john http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www===================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www===================== http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/================ ======= " target="_blank" href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matr --> As I recall, last summer, when I met you all at the gathering, we were water bombed the whole day,,, from the sky above us Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364047#364047 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:46 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Water bombing Yeah....it was an odd Spring! Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of regchief Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Water bombing As I recall, last summer, when I met you all at the gathering, we were water bombed the whole day,,, from the sky above us Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364047#364047 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 06:30:10 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The Art of Pietenpol Jeff, I am not certain to say welcome or thank you or maybe both it seems that from the fringes you have collected some good words from some rather impressive people. I am also certain that you from you vantage point of view have come to the realization that you are in the midst of some of the best friends you'll ever make, the finest builders you'll ever find and the worst bunch of scoundrels, four-flushers and bushwhackers that could ever be assembled in one place and I mean that in the nicest possible way. Actually I have never been associated with a finer bunch of folks that I am pleased and proud to call my friends. Yes its true, the first time I went to Brodhead, like all others, to see the airplanes. I have been back each year since to see my friends. I invite you to do the same! So welcome and thanks for collecting the past words of honest builders and making them new again. John Safe in the morning, dangerous throughout the day Do not archive Les Yawanna ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 09:46:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Size of the turtle deck stringers From: Mark Roberts Plans seem to miss this one or I seemed to have missed it on the plans... They do seem SO complete :o) (Heresy and sacrilege I am sure... Please no flames after all the list has endured recently :o) Thickness and width of the turtle deck stringers? I am thinking 1/4" x 1"? Just came back in from a VERY cold barn after almost finishing the cuts for the fuse joining. Hopeing epoxy goes on tomorrow and gussets the day after. Then, by the end of the week... No, could it be? Adding the floor and turning it upright so I can sit in it and make airplane noises! Ha! What a kid... Mark ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:16 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Houston area Piets Okay, so I admit to being too lazy to search the archives or try to dig out my Piet directory (in a box somewhere). I was contacted by a fellow in Houston who is on the verge of buying a Piet from a friend of his in Minnesota or someplace up in that country. He is asking about Piet owners in the Houston area that he might be able to hook up with to look at, sit in, and possibly get a ride in their airplanes prior to pulling the trigger on the purchase of this Piet. The airplane he's looking at needs some work, but not a lot. His preference is to find a Piet with a small Continental on the nose since the one he's looking at has an A65 on it. However, I'm sure he would be happy to hook up with anyone with a flying Piet. He is presently flying a Rotax powered Kitfox, so he's not a beginner at this flying stuff. Who is out there? He already knows about Kevin and "Fat Bottom Girl" and I told him about the Ford A powered Piet over in Rockport. I forgot about Hans (I'll pass that info along)- but who else is in, or around, or close to, Houston? Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 11:33:36 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: O-200-C-90 and exhaust/heat muffs Hi Gerry from England I think it's Lyle who needs the pics. He's got the long exhaust. I found an interesting pic of the real thing. What this does to the exhaust note I don't know but it must be something. Otherwise, why go to all this trouble? Real good lookin' replica! Clif in British Columbia. ALMOST around the world. :-) Cliff Hi from England. Please find attached 2 photos of an SE5A replica (7/8 Scale) here in West of England. This probably has most of what you want to confirm your feelings for long exhaust etc. ! 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