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1. 04:18 AM - Re: Logo's (Gboothe5)
2. 05:03 AM - Re: Logo's (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:07 AM - Re: Logo's (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 05:21 AM - Re: Logo's (Gboothe5)
5. 05:23 AM - Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 05:45 AM - Re: Logo's (Gboothe5)
7. 05:45 AM - Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts (Greg Bacon)
8. 05:57 AM - Re: Logo's (Jerry Dotson)
9. 08:17 AM - do you guys doubt your work somtimes? (Matthijs de Groot)
10. 08:31 AM - Re: do you guys doubt your work somtimes? (Andrew Eldredge)
11. 08:38 AM - Re: do you guys doubt your work somtimes? (Jack Phillips)
12. 10:12 AM - Re: do you guys doubt your work somtimes? (tools)
13. 10:18 AM - Re: do you guys doubt your work somtimes? (Ben Charvet)
14. 10:27 AM - Speaking of "improvements", or retrogrades... tail (tools)
15. 10:32 AM - tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, they are flimsy! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
16. 10:38 AM - how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tighten your fabric (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
17. 12:47 PM - I cannot not build this plane (RickBright)
18. 12:59 PM - Re: I cannot not build this plane (Gary Boothe)
19. 12:59 PM - Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts (Barry Davis)
20. 01:01 PM - Re: I cannot not build this plane (Kip and Beth Gardner)
21. 01:02 PM - Re: Logo's (RickBright)
22. 01:08 PM - Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts (helspersew@aol.com)
23. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Logo's (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
24. 02:06 PM - Re: I cannot not build this plane (Jim Markle)
25. 03:43 PM - 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol Air Camper (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
26. 04:10 PM - Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts (airlion)
27. 06:26 PM - Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
28. 07:43 PM - Re: tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, they a (K5YAC)
29. 07:50 PM - Re: I cannot not build this plane (K5YAC)
30. 08:02 PM - Re: Logo's (Clif Dawson)
31. 08:28 PM - Re: 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol Air Camper (Chris)
32. 11:31 PM - Re: 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol Air Camper (aerocarjake)
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Uh-oh..
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logo's
None of this has anything to do with putting a piece of PLASTIC (ok, VINYL)
on an Air Camper does it?
Might be alright for a GN-1 but not on a Pietenpol......... for Pete's sake!
Next thing you know people will be putting shiny wet-look paint on them.
Where will it all lead? Lights? Radios? GPS? Egads!
Larry
(Head curmudgen, P.A.A.)
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Larry,
If you insist on expounding your curmudgeoness, please, at least use your c
orrect title. You requested, and generously received, the esteemed title of
TOP curmudgeon. Now you want to glom onto HEAD curmudgeon too? Let's not b
e too greedy.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
do not archive by order of either the TOP curmudgeon or the HEAD curmudgeon
.
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From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 1:10 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logo's
None of this has anything to do with putting a piece of PLASTIC (ok, VINYL)
on an Air Camper does it?
Might be alright for a GN-1 but not on a Pietenpol......... for Pete's sake
!
Next thing you know people will be putting shiny wet-look paint on them. Wh
ere will it all lead? Lights? Radios? GPS? Egads!
Larry
(Head curmudgen, P.A.A.)
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And you thought you were almost done thinking about this. Now you have to l
earn how to hand-paint.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:19 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's
Uh-oh.
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t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logo's
None of this has anything to do with putting a piece of PLASTIC (ok, VINYL)
on an Air Camper does it?
Might be alright for a GN-1 but not on a Pietenpol......... for Pete's sake
!
Next thing you know people will be putting shiny wet-look paint on them. Wh
ere will it all lead? Lights? Radios? GPS? Egads!
Larry
(Head curmudgen, P.A.A.)
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It=99s OK, Dan. I don=99t have to look at it while
I=99m flying.it=99s the rest of you that will pay
for the Top Curmudgeon
Gary from Cool
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Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's
And you thought you were almost done thinking about this. Now you have
to learn how to hand-paint.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:19 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's
Uh-oh.
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mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logo's
None of this has anything to do with putting a piece of PLASTIC (ok,
VINYL) on an Air Camper does it?
Might be alright for a GN-1 but not on a Pietenpol......... for Pete's
sake!
Next thing you know people will be putting shiny wet-look paint on them.
Where will it all lead? Lights? Radios? GPS? Egads!
Larry
(Head curmudgen, P.A.A.)
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Subject: | Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts |
Hi Tom,
I copied Larry Williams (Top or Head Curmudgeon) and used the small Carlson
wing struts. Go to westcoastpiet.com, where there are three photos to look
at. The inserts were made from 7075 aluminum alloy pieces I got from Mcmas
ter-Carr.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
Anyone using the Carlson Aircraft Aluminum struts? I'm taking a look at th
em pretty seriously.. Thinking the large size is adequate - they have what
they're calling a "NEW" Heavy Duty size which seems overkill for a Piet.
Anyone using them - anyone flying with them??? I think I read about Larry
Williams using them. Just curious which size he chose and what the fitting
s might look like. Of course I can always check out his plane at Brodhead
- assuming he'll be there again.
Tom Brant
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I=99m all set, Dan! Is this the same guy you learned from?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=b9dEEzyMSAo>
&NR=1&v=b9dEEzyMSAo
Gary
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 5:05 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Logo's
And you thought you were almost done thinking about this. Now you have
to learn how to hand-paint.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:19 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Logo's
Uh-oh.
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lawrence
Williams
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:06 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Logo's
None of this has anything to do with putting a piece of PLASTIC (ok,
VINYL) on an Air Camper does it?
Might be alright for a GN-1 but not on a Pietenpol......... for Pete's
sake!
Next thing you know people will be putting shiny wet-look paint on them.
Where will it all lead? Lights? Radios? GPS? Egads!
Larry
(Head curmudgeon, P.A.A.)
do not archive
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Subject: | Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts |
Dan,
I'm doing the same thing for the Mtn Piet wing rebuild. Do you have any
pics of your jury strut to lift strut connection?
Thanks,
Greg Bacon
Prairie Home, MO
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 7:20 AM, <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
> Hi Tom,
>
> I copied Larry Williams (Top or Head Curmudgeon) and used the small
> Carlson wing struts. Go to westcoastpiet.com, where there are three
> photos to look at. The inserts were made from 7075 aluminum alloy pieces I
> got from Mcmaster-Carr.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:59 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
>
> Anyone using the Carlson Aircraft Aluminum struts? I'm taking a look at
> them pretty seriously.. Thinking the large size is adequate - they have
> what they're calling a "NEW" Heavy Duty size which seems overkill for a
> Piet. Anyone using them - anyone flying with them??? I think I read about
> Larry Williams using them. Just curious which size he chose and what the
> fittings might look like. Of course I can always check out his plane at
> Brodhead - assuming he'll be there again.
>
> Tom Brant
>
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Well.... whilst I did deviate from the plans some I will not have any stickers
on NX510JD. It may look like a bear's behind sewed up with a grapevine when finished
though! The picture attached is what I would like to have on it. I will
try to enlist my wife Bobbie to do the job. She is a good portrait artist.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C 2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | do you guys doubt your work somtimes? |
Hi I'm working on the tail section.(just need to make the fin and than
its done)
I'm building very neat, exactly following the plans.
But when I think that these parts are gone steer my hole plane they
look a bit flimsy.
And will i ever finish there is just so much to do.
I love the work so far but did these thoughts come up when you guys
where building.
Matthijs from the Netherlands.
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Subject: | Re: do you guys doubt your work somtimes? |
A great deal of the structure is in the bracing wires. By the time you get
everything wired up, it will seem overdone.
Andrew
On Wed, Jan 18, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Matthijs de Groot <getijsem@zonnet.nl>wrote:
> getijsem@zonnet.nl>
>
> Hi I'm working on the tail section.(just need to make the fin and than its
> done)
> I'm building very neat, exactly following the plans.
> But when I think that these parts are gone steer my hole plane they look a
> bit flimsy.
> And will i ever finish there is just so much to do.
> I love the work so far but did these thoughts come up when you guys where
> building.
>
> Matthijs from the Netherlands.
>
>
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Provo, UT
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Subject: | do you guys doubt your work somtimes? |
Hi Matthijs,
I'm sure everybody has doubts at one point or another. Just remember,
particularly with the tail pieces, that they ARE very flimsy until they are
installed and braced with the bracing wire. Even then, they are just strong
enough for flight loads. Be wary of small children using them as climbing
exercises. Trust the design - it has proven itself to be plenty strong
enough for over 80 years.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthijs de
Groot
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 11:15 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: do you guys doubt your work somtimes?
Hi I'm working on the tail section.(just need to make the fin and than
its done)
I'm building very neat, exactly following the plans.
But when I think that these parts are gone steer my hole plane they
look a bit flimsy.
And will i ever finish there is just so much to do.
I love the work so far but did these thoughts come up when you guys
where building.
Matthijs from the Netherlands.
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Subject: | Re: do you guys doubt your work somtimes? |
Those thoughts can cripple you into not ever getting done... it has me for about
18 years.
It's especially tough because of the mixed information. I specifically chose a
Piet because it's like the Spanish language, very few exceptions. "Just stick
to the plans" seems to be the norm, and they are comparatively VERY complete.
Still, when you ask a question, you very often get quite a variance in answers.
I'm currently rereading the first ten years of BPA newsletters, and in the FIRST
ONE, it says to stick to the plans... except...
It's a necessary evil, times have changed since it was designed. 4130 over 1020
steel, probably a good idea. T-88 or resorcinol instead of casein, definitely!
Etc.
I believe the trick is to find a "method" that gets you past that. Either trusting
what you hear here, a local knowledgeable builder, an A and P friend, whatever.
What has done it for me is buying an entire Piet, which has finally gotten
me started on building in earnest. Also, I'm spending a lot of time with
A and P's restoring and maintaining vintage planes.
I believe the worst you could do is blindly "improving". Many issues come from
what is NECESSARY for modernization. Casein glue being a good case in point.
Hard wires are a good example. While they're still fine, finding wire isn't
too bad, but finding some help in fabricating them, a different matter, so modernizing
for that reason might be necessary.
Not for a lack of trying to gather good info, I have hand written letters from
Rudolf, Henderson, Kapler, Hoopman, etc, I don't have the Bingelis books yet.
I think they go a long way putting your mind at ease on what is "normal" in aircraft
construction. Working on that now. I believe comprehensive education
is the best that you can do to put your mind at ease!
Tools
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Subject: | Re: do you guys doubt your work somtimes? |
Maybe I am just a late night worrier, but every time I made something
I'd ask myself, if this fails will it kill me? Usually around 3 AM I'd
wake up and think of what I'd done the previous day. You are right,
there is a lot to do. Just keep on working at it, play with it every
day, and before you know it you will be finished. Be sure to have a
tech counselor from your local EAA chapter look at it once in a while if
you have doubts.
Now that mine is finished and has 100 hours or so on it, I'm still
amazed when I'm putting along at 500 feet, look down the wing at all
those ribs, rib stitches, wires, fittings, etc, and try to remember that
I built every piece myself.
I came across my page on West Coast Piet the other day, and there is a
posting at this link of my pictures, and my narrative of the first
flight, 2 years ago. It might encourage you...FWIW
http://westcoastpiet.com/images/Ben%20Charvet/pictures.htm
Ben Charvet
Titusville, Fl
Still flying in shirtsleeves in January
On 1/18/2012 11:15 AM, Matthijs de Groot wrote:
> <getijsem@zonnet.nl>
>
> Hi I'm working on the tail section.(just need to make the fin and than
> its done)
> I'm building very neat, exactly following the plans.
> But when I think that these parts are gone steer my hole plane they
> look a bit flimsy.
> And will i ever finish there is just so much to do.
> I love the work so far but did these thoughts come up when you guys
> where building.
>
> Matthijs from the Netherlands.
>
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | Speaking of "improvements", or retrogrades... tail |
I'm helping restore a 1919 design, a Standard J-1 biplane. It's got a neat tail
skid I imagine was pretty normal for its time.
It's got a short post where most tail skids or wheels would mount. That post has
a welded bracket that connects the tailskid itself, merely a piece of wood
about 1 1/4" square, about a foot and a half long, that pivots on that short post
(about midway). The bottom end has a skid, the top end has a bungee connected
to the bottom of the plane.
Basically a see saw. The unstretched position angles it down at about a 45 degree
angle.
The advantage is twofold. First, the "spring" comes from bungee cord, which is
lighter. Second, it's REALLY cool looking and fits the genre of the plane perfectly.
It has one main bungee and two small ones that recenter it (as it has allowance
for side to side travel to accommodate turns).
A tail wheel could be mounted as easily as a skid plate. Has anyone seen one on
a Piet? Anyone have any experience with them at all?
Any interest? I can get pictures.
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Subject: | tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, |
they are flimsy!
Not to worry Matthijs, that is how the tailfeathers feel--like they are not
adequate to steer and stabilize the entire airplane but when you attach all of
the brace cables back there the whole thing becomes VERY strong. Same with the
wood/Jenny type landing gear--it flops around until you install the X-brace cables
and the it becomes a bridge. (If it can take my abusive landings especially.)
One thing that may or may not be on the plans (I forget now) are to put wood blocks
in between all of the tailfeather cap and bottom strips of wood to keep them apart
while you rib stitch the fabric to them, otherwise you could pull the pieces together
and break them. I thin these blocks are shown on the plans. Doesn't take much
but they are important.
Mike C.
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Subject: | how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you |
tighten your fabric
Here's a good use for scrap capstrip material. In addition to the normal
supports for your turtledeck
stringers it's not a bad idea to throw in some T-88'ed (or whatever glue y
ou're using) capstrips in between
the stringers. Fabric is powerful when heat shrunk and can make things mo
ve and distort unless reinforced
well.
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Subject: | I cannot not build this plane |
My plans from the Pietenpol Family are here. The Bingelis books are on the way.
I am about to sent the check to Michael Cuy for his DVD and have had several
contacts from some great people on this forum within a few hours drive from my
location in NW Arkansas, they know who they are and you guys will hear from me
about a visit in the future.
I have in the past worked as a manual and a CNC machinist, and have to admit even
though I have past experience reading and building parts to dimensional blueprints
these plans do have me scratching my head over a few things. I do know
breaking the project down into a series of small victories is the way to proceed.
The Piet was love (lust?) at first sight, I seem to be kind of stuck in the past,
have a couple of 1950s' vintage GM Buses, (think Greyhounds) one has been
finished into a home on wheels and I still drive the 1970 Olds Muscle Car I bought
at 16 in 1972. I seem to have a hard time writing down the year since 2000.
I want to thank all the experienced builders helping us new folks. Your advise,
knowledge and willingness to share is appreciated.
Rick
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Subject: | I cannot not build this plane |
Rick,
Yes you can!! Fear not, though you may be right. Once you get past building
the tail and the ribs, you are faced with a bunch of inter-connected
decisions and projects. Just my advice...build the tail, first, so that you
have something cool to hang on the wall; then the wing ribs. If anyone tells
you that it took me 3 years to build my ribs...well...nevermind! The rest of
the plane is just too much fun to work on. Welcome to the best years of your
life!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
Do not archive
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RickBright
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I cannot not build this plane
--> <brightwellrichard@yahoo.com>
My plans from the Pietenpol Family are here. The Bingelis books are on the
way. I am about to sent the check to Michael Cuy for his DVD and have had
several contacts from some great people on this forum within a few hours
drive from my location in NW Arkansas, they know who they are and you guys
will hear from me about a visit in the future.
I have in the past worked as a manual and a CNC machinist, and have to
admit even though I have past experience reading and building parts to
dimensional blueprints these plans do have me scratching my head over a few
things. I do know breaking the project down into a series of small victories
is the way to proceed.
The Piet was love (lust?) at first sight, I seem to be kind of stuck in the
past, have a couple of 1950s' vintage GM Buses, (think Greyhounds) one has
been finished into a home on wheels and I still drive the 1970 Olds Muscle
Car I bought at 16 in 1972. I seem to have a hard time writing down the
year since 2000.
I want to thank all the experienced builders helping us new folks. Your
advise, knowledge and willingness to share is appreciated.
Rick
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | carlson aircraft aluminum struts |
I just sent this sketch to Gardiner Mason for reference. We used the large,
not the new extra heavy.
Barry Davis
NX973BP
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE
BRANT
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2012 11:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
Anyone using the Carlson Aircraft Aluminum struts? I'm taking a look at
them pretty seriously.. Thinking the large size is adequate - they have
what they're calling a "NEW" Heavy Duty size which seems overkill for a
Piet. Anyone using them - anyone flying with them??? I think I read about
Larry Williams using them. Just curious which size he chose and what the
fittings might look like. Of course I can always check out his plane at
Brodhead - assuming he'll be there again.
Tom Brant
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Subject: | Re: I cannot not build this plane |
Rick,
Membership in the head-scratchers club is mandatory if you are going
to build this plane, I've been at it over 10 years - still scratching
- welcome. Remember, these plans were drawn by a teenaged kid using a
Sears mail-order drafting kit, whatever that meant in 1929.
Kip Gardner
On Jan 18, 2012, at 3:44 PM, RickBright wrote:
> >
>
> My plans from the Pietenpol Family are here. The Bingelis books are
> on the way. I am about to sent the check to Michael Cuy for his DVD
> and have had several contacts from some great people on this forum
> within a few hours drive from my location in NW Arkansas, they know
> who they are and you guys will hear from me about a visit in the
> future.
> I have in the past worked as a manual and a CNC machinist, and have
> to admit even though I have past experience reading and building
> parts to dimensional blueprints these plans do have me scratching my
> head over a few things. I do know breaking the project down into a
> series of small victories is the way to proceed.
> The Piet was love (lust?) at first sight, I seem to be kind of stuck
> in the past, have a couple of 1950s' vintage GM Buses, (think
> Greyhounds) one has been finished into a home on wheels and I still
> drive the 1970 Olds Muscle Car I bought at 16 in 1972. I seem to
> have a hard time writing down the year since 2000.
> I want to thank all the experienced builders helping us new folks.
> Your advise, knowledge and willingness to share is appreciated.
>
> Rick
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364230#364230
>
>
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My Father-In-Law was an old school sign painter and lettered a lot of vehicles,
some airplanes and more than one steam engine from the 50's into the 80's, he
has been gone 20 years. Lucky for me his daughter spent a lot of shop and road
time with him. She is a very talented artist, anyone in the NW Arkansas area
who might need help with a logo give me a shout, boy it sure was easy to volunteer
her help.....
Rick
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Subject: | Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts |
Tom,
On the bottom of my struts are the same 7075 insert, drilled and threaded t
o accept a Piper J-3 fork end.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
Anyone using the Carlson Aircraft Aluminum struts? I'm taking a look at th
em pretty seriously.. Thinking the large size is adequate - they have what
they're calling a "NEW" Heavy Duty size which seems overkill for a Piet.
Anyone using them - anyone flying with them??? I think I read about Larry
Williams using them. Just curious which size he chose and what the fitting
s might look like. Of course I can always check out his plane at Brodhead
- assuming he'll be there again.
Tom Brant
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We like volunteers, I bet you got a lot of practice volunteering her!
John
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Subject: | Re: I cannot not build this plane |
Sounds like it's time for a visit!
The Air Camper can NOT be built strictly from the plans. Period. You'll need
to "fill in" and "adjust" a lot as you go... The plans are a wonderful step back
in time and I prize mine as very important documents. But as a former draftsman...
So go ahead and spend some more time looking over the plans then come on over and
visit me and Mark. There are some specific areas you DON'T need to mess up...and
redo....and mess up again...and.etc. I've already done that for you.
(I can show you several boxes of "first run" parts and wasted efforts you do not
need to redo yourself....)
We can help you identify the exact areas you need to be careful with....
If you're thinking about the straight axle/wood gear, let me know. I'll set mine
up in advance to show you how I came up with those compound angle cuts, quickly
and accurately. It's a very simple 15 minute process I somehow stumbled
onto and it works very well.
I would also get a copy of Chuck Gantzer's video. I think you can reach him at:
Rcaprd@aol.com Not the exact same format as Mike's (that wasn't Chuck's goal)
but very informative. I personally think those two "build related" videos
are "must haves" for Pietenpol builders!
Anyway....come on over!
Jim in Pryor
-----Original Message-----
>From: RickBright <brightwellrichard@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Jan 18, 2012 2:44 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: I cannot not build this plane
>
>
>My plans from the Pietenpol Family are here. The Bingelis books are on the way.
I am about to sent the check to Michael Cuy for his DVD and have had several
contacts from some great people on this forum within a few hours drive from my
location in NW Arkansas, they know who they are and you guys will hear from
me about a visit in the future.
> I have in the past worked as a manual and a CNC machinist, and have to admit
even though I have past experience reading and building parts to dimensional blueprints
these plans do have me scratching my head over a few things. I do know
breaking the project down into a series of small victories is the way to proceed.
> The Piet was love (lust?) at first sight, I seem to be kind of stuck in the past,
have a couple of 1950s' vintage GM Buses, (think Greyhounds) one has been
finished into a home on wheels and I still drive the 1970 Olds Muscle Car I
bought at 16 in 1972. I seem to have a hard time writing down the year since
2000.
> I want to thank all the experienced builders helping us new folks. Your advise,
knowledge and willingness to share is appreciated.
>
>Rick
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364230#364230
>
>
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Subject: | 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol Air Camper |
And the guy who started this list way back-Steve Eldredge from Utah who fle
w his new plane all the
way to Oshkosh to join us in 1999 when we gathered for the 70th anniversary
of the design.
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1373284259
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts |
Dan, did you use any kind of coating for between the fork end and the aluminium
strut for corosion protection? Gardiner
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From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, January 18, 2012 4:04:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
Tom,
On the bottom of my struts are the same 7075 insert, drilled and threaded to
accept a Piper J-3 fork end.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
Anyone using the Carlson Aircraft Aluminum struts? I'm taking a look at them
pretty seriously.. Thinking the large size is adequate - they have what they're
calling a "NEW" Heavy Duty size which seems overkill for a Piet. Anyone using
them - anyone flying with them??? I think I read about Larry Williams using
them. Just curious which size he chose and what the fittings might look like.
Of course I can always check out his plane at Brodhead - assuming he'll be there
again.
Tom Brant
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Subject: | carlson aircraft aluminum struts |
I should have clarrified - the "small" struts are about 2.5" x 1" and the "
large" struts are about 3 1/8" x 1 1/4". Are you sure Larry used the small
ones?? I guess the strength is there..
Tom B.
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
From: helspersew@aol.com
Hi Tom=2C
I copied Larry Williams (Top or Head Curmudgeon) and used the small Carlson
wing struts. Go to westcoastpiet.com=2C where there are three photos to lo
ok at. The inserts were made from 7075 aluminum alloy pieces I got from Mcm
aster-Carr.
Dan Helsper
Puryear=2C TN
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
Sent: Tue=2C Jan 17=2C 2012 10:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
Anyone using the Carlson Aircraft Aluminum struts? I'm taking a look at th
em pretty seriously.. Thinking the large size is adequate - they have what
they're calling a "NEW" Heavy Duty size which seems overkill for a Piet.
Anyone using them - anyone flying with them??? I think I read about Larry
Williams using them. Just curious which size he chose and what the fitting
s might look like. Of course I can always check out his plane at Brodhead
- assuming he'll be there again.
Tom Brant
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Subject: | Re: tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, |
they a
michael.d.cuy(at)nasa.gov wrote:
> One thing that may or may not be on the plans (I forget now) are to put wood
blocks in between all of the tailfeather cap and bottom strips of wood to keep
them apart while you rib stitch the fabric to them, otherwise you could pull
the pieces together and break them. I thin these blocks are shown on the plans.
Doesn't take much but they are important.
Thanks for reminding us of that Mike. I saw these on Jim's tail pieces, but I
had forgot about making them for mine until I saw your note.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Subject: | Re: I cannot not build this plane |
What Jim said... I too recommend Chuck's videos. Yes, there are two... building
AND flying... both are informative and inspirational.
Come see us, and try to get up to Brodhead this year too.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Just how many heads do we have here anyway???
Hands up!
Clif, direct to you from Lotus Land.
Otherwise known as British Columbia.
Oh! Do not archive this either :-)
Larry,
Now you want to glom onto HEAD curmudgeon too? Let's not be too
greedy.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
Oh! Do not archive this either
Clif, direct to you from Lotus Land.
Otherwise known as British Columbia.
Oh! Do not archive this either :-)
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Subject: | 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol Air |
Camper
Thanks Mike. This brings back memories. Speaking of Steve Eldredge, does
any of the old timers have a copy of his trip report he wrote about flying
to Brodhead and Oshkosh? It is a great story and I would love to read it
again. Actually all of us builders should read it often as it captures the
spirit of why we are building and why we need to get our plane finished. It
used to be on his web page which is now long gone.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
Sent: Wednesday, January 18, 2012 3:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol
Air Camper
And the guy who started this list way back-Steve Eldredge from Utah who flew
his new plane all the
way to Oshkosh to join us in 1999 when we gathered for the 70th anniversary
of the design.
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1373284259
Mike C.
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Subject: | Re: 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol Air |
Camper
Thanks Mike..... I had not seen this before and I really enjoyed it.
The video was a nice treat after another day in the shop. (It snowed several inches
so I had to stay home from work.... and work on the Piet)
Well SOMEBODY'S got to do it...:-)
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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