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1. 03:23 AM - Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tight (Bill Church)
2. 03:47 AM - Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 03:54 AM - Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 03:56 AM - Re: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tight (Jack)
5. 04:58 AM - Re: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tight (Mark Stanley)
6. 05:07 AM - Re: I cannot not build this plane (Mark Stanley)
7. 05:08 AM - Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tight (womenfly2)
8. 05:26 AM - Re: 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol Air Camper (Mark Stanley)
9. 05:30 AM - Re: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tight (C N Campbell)
10. 05:35 AM - Re: I cannot not build this plane (Jim Markle)
11. 06:03 AM - Re: I cannot not build this plane (Mark Stanley)
12. 06:30 AM - Re: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tight (Jack Phillips)
13. 07:34 AM - Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tight (Bill Church)
14. 07:48 AM - Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts (Michael Perez)
15. 08:15 AM - Mountain Piet rebuild (Douwe Blumberg)
16. 08:33 AM - Do we doubt our work? (Douwe Blumberg)
17. 09:18 AM - Re: 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol Air Camper (Andrew Eldredge)
18. 09:36 AM - Re: tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, they are flimsy! (Michael Perez)
19. 09:53 AM - Re: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tight (C N Campbell)
20. 10:09 AM - Re: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tight (C N Campbell)
21. 10:20 AM - little stringer tips--little investment, lots of insurance--great photo (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
22. 10:32 AM - Re: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when you tight (Jack Phillips)
23. 10:49 AM - Bugs in Piet yellow (Jerry Dotson)
24. 11:25 AM - Re: Bugs in Piet yellow (Ben Charvet)
25. 11:51 AM - Re: Bugs in Piet yellow (899PM)
26. 11:54 AM - Photos of jury strut fittings on aluminum struts (helspersew@aol.com)
27. 01:59 PM - Re: Bugs in Piet yellow (AircamperN11MS)
28. 02:40 PM - Re: Photos of jury strut fittings on aluminum struts (pineymb)
29. 02:40 PM - Re: Do we doubt our work? (bender)
30. 02:58 PM - Re: Bugs in Piet yellow (Jim Ash)
31. 03:00 PM - Re: Re: Photos /Heat muff (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
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| Subject: | Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when |
you tight
As an example of the strength of shrinking fabric, and the effect on the turtledeck
stringers, check out this photo. And it was even more obvious in person than
it appears in this photo. Best install the spacers like Mike suggested, AND
be careful when covering. Don't get that fabric too tight.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts |
Gardiner,
Didn't think I needed any. I believe the fork is cad plated. Wouldn't it be
the same as an AN bolt up against aluminum?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 6:10 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
Dan, did you use any kind of coating for between the fork end and the alumi
nium strut for corosion protection? Gardiner
From: "helspersew@aol.com" <helspersew@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, January 18, 2012 4:04:21 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
Tom,
On the bottom of my struts are the same 7075 insert, drilled and threaded t
o accept a Piper J-3 fork end.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
Anyone using the Carlson Aircraft Aluminum struts? I'm taking a look at th
em pretty seriously.. Thinking the large size is adequate - they have what
they're calling a "NEW" Heavy Duty size which seems overkill for a Piet.
Anyone using them - anyone flying with them??? I think I read about Larry
Williams using them. Just curious which size he chose and what the fitting
s might look like. Of course I can always check out his plane at Brodhead
- assuming he'll be there again.
Tom Brant
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| Subject: | Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts |
Tom,
Well now I am doubting myself. But I am almost 100% sure. You could email t
he Top Cumudgeon himself :O). lnawms@yahoo.com And while you do, you might
meekish and sheepishly just mention to him that Bernerd DID NOT use alumin
um struts!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
Sent: Wed, Jan 18, 2012 8:26 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
I should have clarrified - the "small" struts are about 2.5" x 1" and the "
large" struts are about 3 1/8" x 1 1/4". Are you sure Larry used the small
ones?? I guess the strength is there..
Tom B.
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
From: helspersew@aol.com
Hi Tom,
I copied Larry Williams (Top or Head Curmudgeon) and used the small Carlson
wing struts. Go to westcoastpiet.com, where there are three photos to look
at. The inserts were made from 7075 aluminum alloy pieces I got from Mcmas
ter-Carr.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 10:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: carlson aircraft aluminum struts
Anyone using the Carlson Aircraft Aluminum struts? I'm taking a look at th
em pretty seriously.. Thinking the large size is adequate - they have what
they're calling a "NEW" Heavy Duty size which seems overkill for a Piet.
Anyone using them - anyone flying with them??? I think I read about Larry
Williams using them. Just curious which size he chose and what the fitting
s might look like. Of course I can always check out his plane at Brodhead
- assuming he'll be there again.
Tom Brant
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| Subject: | Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend |
when you tight
I think that would have been a redo for this builder...
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 5:21 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend
when you tight
As an example of the strength of shrinking fabric, and the effect on the
turtledeck stringers, check out this photo. And it was even more obvious in
person than it appears in this photo. Best install the spacers like Mike
suggested, AND be careful when covering. Don't get that fabric too tight.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend |
when you tight
Ouch!
Is the fabric 1.7 ounce?
Thanks for posting the shot.
Mark Stanley
Japan
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Church
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend
when you tight
As an example of the strength of shrinking fabric, and the effect on the
turtledeck stringers, check out this photo. And it was even more obvious in
person than it appears in this photo. Best install the spacers like Mike
suggested, AND be careful when covering. Don't get that fabric too tight.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364272#364272
Attachments:
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| Subject: | Re: I cannot not build this plane |
Hi Jim,
Just reading your post to from over here in JapanLand.
You mention that there are some specific areas that DON'T need to be messed
up.
When you have a spare moment, would it be possible to make a quick list of
those areas? (Could be useful as some of us are a bit far away to come and
have a look).
Thanks
Mark Stanley
Japan
Do not archive
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From: Jim Markle
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:04 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I cannot not build this plane
Sounds like it's time for a visit!
The Air Camper can NOT be built strictly from the plans. Period. You'll
need to "fill in" and "adjust" a lot as you go... The plans are a wonderful
step back in time and I prize mine as very important documents. But as a
former draftsman...
So go ahead and spend some more time looking over the plans then come on
over and visit me and Mark. There are some specific areas you DON'T need to
mess up...and redo....and mess up again...and.etc. I've already done that
for you. (I can show you several boxes of "first run" parts and wasted
efforts you do not need to redo yourself....)
We can help you identify the exact areas you need to be careful with....
If you're thinking about the straight axle/wood gear, let me know. I'll set
mine up in advance to show you how I came up with those compound angle cuts,
quickly and accurately. It's a very simple 15 minute process I somehow
stumbled onto and it works very well.
I would also get a copy of Chuck Gantzer's video. I think you can reach him
at: Rcaprd@aol.com Not the exact same format as Mike's (that wasn't
Chuck's goal) but very informative. I personally think those two "build
related" videos are "must haves" for Pietenpol builders!
Anyway....come on over!
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when |
you tight
Never had this issue. All depends on how tight you shrink the fabric.
Seems most over shrink it, like on the turtle deck, fuselage in general. If done
correctly you would not have to do what you are proposing. Follow the plans
and it works.
.... over kill.
--------
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| Subject: | Re: 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol Air |
Camper
Hi Mike,
Thanks for posting that, very enjoyable video.
Mark Stanley
Japan
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:41 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: 8 minute video segment from EAA on the
Pietenpol Air Camper
And the guy who started this list way back=94Steve Eldredge from
Utah who flew his new plane all the
way to Oshkosh to join us in 1999 when we gathered for the 70th
anniversary of the design.
http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1373284259
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend |
when you tight
All the "dacron" instructions say to do the final shrinking at 350 degrees
on the iron. Are you saying this is too much? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend
when you tight
>
> Never had this issue. All depends on how tight you shrink the fabric.
>
> Seems most over shrink it, like on the turtle deck, fuselage in general.
> If done correctly you would not have to do what you are proposing. Follow
> the plans and it works.
>
> .... over kill.
>
> --------
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364279#364279
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I cannot not build this plane |
Hi Mark,
In my opinion, things like fuse width, wing type, cabane design...these can be
all be left alone. And control system design. I tried to avoid making design
changes such as replacing cables with hydraulic or pneumatic systems. That's
the kind of stuff that I think does NOT need to be changed (ie: messed up).
I had to spend extra time on many of the areas where I applied "brilliant" ideas
I came up with to "improve" the design. And should have just stuck with the
plans....
Or parts I messed up with bad welding...and had to reweld. Should have practiced
more before attempting to weld the "final" piece(s).
In my experience, the hole spacings (With the exception of the MOST of the simple
angle pieces that attach the tail surfaces) all needed a bit of adjustment.
None would have fit if laid out exactly per plans. Especially the landing gear
fittings. Also areas like the one mentioned in Mike's video, right below
the bottom surface of the wing where the struts connect......those need a bit
more clearance.
Building to the plans keeps the need to adjust at a minimum.
Hope that answers your question....
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Stanley <mmrally@nifty.com>
>Sent: Jan 19, 2012 7:04 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I cannot not build this plane
>
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>Just reading your post to from over here in JapanLand.
>You mention that there are some specific areas that DON'T need to be messed
>up.
>When you have a spare moment, would it be possible to make a quick list of
>those areas? (Could be useful as some of us are a bit far away to come and
>have a look).
>
>Thanks
>Mark Stanley
>Japan
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle
>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:04 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I cannot not build this plane
>
>
>Sounds like it's time for a visit!
>
>The Air Camper can NOT be built strictly from the plans. Period. You'll
>need to "fill in" and "adjust" a lot as you go... The plans are a wonderful
>step back in time and I prize mine as very important documents. But as a
>former draftsman...
>
>So go ahead and spend some more time looking over the plans then come on
>over and visit me and Mark. There are some specific areas you DON'T need to
>mess up...and redo....and mess up again...and.etc. I've already done that
>for you. (I can show you several boxes of "first run" parts and wasted
>efforts you do not need to redo yourself....)
>
>We can help you identify the exact areas you need to be careful with....
>
>If you're thinking about the straight axle/wood gear, let me know. I'll set
>mine up in advance to show you how I came up with those compound angle cuts,
>quickly and accurately. It's a very simple 15 minute process I somehow
>stumbled onto and it works very well.
>
>I would also get a copy of Chuck Gantzer's video. I think you can reach him
>at: Rcaprd@aol.com Not the exact same format as Mike's (that wasn't
>Chuck's goal) but very informative. I personally think those two "build
>related" videos are "must haves" for Pietenpol builders!
>
>Anyway....come on over!
>
>Jim in Pryor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I cannot not build this plane |
Hi Jim,
Thanks very much for the quick reply and I appriciate your comments. They
just renforce how I want to build the Piet.
I am building as close as I can to the plans but I am prepared to adjust
things if necassary.
I really like the idea of a Ford powered, short fuz, wood gear 'standard
Piet', so I don't want to stray too much from the original design.
I will have another look at Mikes video regarding the fittings etc.
Thanks again..
Mark Stanley
Japan
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I cannot not build this plane
Hi Mark,
In my opinion, things like fuse width, wing type, cabane design...these can
be all be left alone. And control system design. I tried to avoid making
design changes such as replacing cables with hydraulic or pneumatic systems.
That's the kind of stuff that I think does NOT need to be changed (ie:
messed up).
I had to spend extra time on many of the areas where I applied "brilliant"
ideas I came up with to "improve" the design. And should have just stuck
with the plans....
Or parts I messed up with bad welding...and had to reweld. Should have
practiced more before attempting to weld the "final" piece(s).
In my experience, the hole spacings (With the exception of the MOST of the
simple angle pieces that attach the tail surfaces) all needed a bit of
adjustment. None would have fit if laid out exactly per plans. Especially
the landing gear fittings. Also areas like the one mentioned in Mike's
video, right below the bottom surface of the wing where the struts
connect......those need a bit more clearance.
Building to the plans keeps the need to adjust at a minimum.
Hope that answers your question....
JM
-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Stanley <mmrally@nifty.com>
>Sent: Jan 19, 2012 7:04 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I cannot not build this plane
>
>
>Hi Jim,
>
>Just reading your post to from over here in JapanLand.
>You mention that there are some specific areas that DON'T need to be messed
>up.
>When you have a spare moment, would it be possible to make a quick list of
>those areas? (Could be useful as some of us are a bit far away to come and
>have a look).
>
>Thanks
>Mark Stanley
>Japan
>
>Do not archive
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle
>Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 7:04 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I cannot not build this plane
>
><jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>
>Sounds like it's time for a visit!
>
>The Air Camper can NOT be built strictly from the plans. Period. You'll
>need to "fill in" and "adjust" a lot as you go... The plans are a
>wonderful
>step back in time and I prize mine as very important documents. But as a
>former draftsman...
>
>So go ahead and spend some more time looking over the plans then come on
>over and visit me and Mark. There are some specific areas you DON'T need
>to
>mess up...and redo....and mess up again...and.etc. I've already done that
>for you. (I can show you several boxes of "first run" parts and wasted
>efforts you do not need to redo yourself....)
>
>We can help you identify the exact areas you need to be careful with....
>
>If you're thinking about the straight axle/wood gear, let me know. I'll
>set
>mine up in advance to show you how I came up with those compound angle
>cuts,
>quickly and accurately. It's a very simple 15 minute process I somehow
>stumbled onto and it works very well.
>
>I would also get a copy of Chuck Gantzer's video. I think you can reach
>him
>at: Rcaprd@aol.com Not the exact same format as Mike's (that wasn't
>Chuck's goal) but very informative. I personally think those two "build
>related" videos are "must haves" for Pietenpol builders!
>
>Anyway....come on over!
>
>Jim in Pryor
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend |
when you tight
Y'all are worrying too much again. We don't know anything about the
Pietenpol in that picture. It may have had very thin stringers, or it may
have been covered with cotton which was glued on too tight, and then over
time the dope tautened more than anticipated (butyrate dope continues to
shrink for years). If you use dacron, follow the manufacturer's guidelines
for shrinking - not the advice you think you hear on this list.
Mike Cuy gave good advice to add little pieces between the stringers. It
takes little time and adds almost no weight. I did it on mine, per his
advice. Was it necessary? The only way to know for sure would be to add
the pieces on one side but not the other and see if the side without
reinforcement warped. I wasn't that curious.
You can see these pieces in this photo:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C N Campbell
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't
bend when you tight
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
All the "dacron" instructions say to do the final shrinking at 350 degrees
on the iron. Are you saying this is too much? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend
when you tight
>
> Never had this issue. All depends on how tight you shrink the fabric.
>
> Seems most over shrink it, like on the turtle deck, fuselage in general.
> If done correctly you would not have to do what you are proposing. Follow
> the plans and it works.
>
> .... over kill.
>
> --------
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364279#364279
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend when |
you tight
Jack is right about not knowing the specifics of the plane in the photo. As I recall
from when I took the photo several years ago, very little of that Air Camper
was built "to the plans". For instance, the wings are actually from a different
aircraft, the cabane strut system is completely different, the aileron
control cable system was redesigned, there was a beefy passenger door, etc., so
I would not be surprised if the turtledeck was also "improved". In fact, I'd
be surprised if it wasn't.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: carlson aircraft aluminum struts |
ACS sells Aeronca forks for $64.70 each. They come pre-coated with a black grease.
I'm using Carlson's aluminum struts, fabricated 7075 inserts and the above
forks.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Mountain Piet rebuild |
Hey Greg,
Haven't heard much detail about your Mountain Piet rebuild. Saw the plane
at it's one and only Brodhead appearance and was struck by the incredible
workmanship.
How is she coming? And are you keeping the Subaru or going to something
else??
Douwe
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| Subject: | Do we doubt our work? |
Hey Matthijs!
Scratch building an airplane from these plans is a monumental achievement in
my opinion. Percentage wise, VERY few people have ever done it and these
days, even less are doing it. It takes a unique kind of person, maybe a
dreamer with a willingness to learn many skills and an ability to commit,
but above all it takes a unique kind of persistence that is driven by a
vision of something larger worth striving for.
I feel that bringing to life to one of Pietenpol's planes is not only one of
the highlights of my life, but also a blessing to everyone who will ever see
or fly in it because it is like a time capsule and historic artifact all
wrapped up in one.
Yes it is a long journey, and one I struggle with every day now that I'm
actually rebuilding mine after an incident that set me back two years now.
YES I ABSOLUTELY STRUGGLE WHEN I THINK ABOUT ALL THE THINGS LEFT TO DO, BUT
WHILE I STRUGGLE, I WORK. AND MOVE THE PROJECT FORWARD EVERY DAY. BUT. I
KNOW, without a shadow of a doubt that my persistence will pay off and when
I'm flying her through the blue skies, over the green pastures that I will
not feel badly about the time spent building her, but I will look back
fondly and proudly that I stuck with it.
A friend once told me about projects like this "Touch something on it every
day". That one thought has helped me a lot.
Where in the Netherlands are you? My wife and I will be visiting family
next September.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: 8 minute video segment from EAA on the Pietenpol |
Air Camper
Steve should be over at my house this evening (working on getting NX7229R
back in service, incidentally) I've asked him if he retained a copy of
that and his build log, If I can get him to find it, I'll put it back up
online.
--
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Mark Stanley <mmrally@nifty.com> wrote:
> Hi Mike,
>
> Thanks for posting that, very enjoyable video.
>
> Mark Stanley
> Japan
>
> *From:* Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]<michael.d.cuy@na
sa.gov>
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:41 AM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: 8 minute video segment from EAA on the
> Pietenpol Air Camper
>
>
> And the guy who started this list way back=97Steve Eldredge from Utah who
> flew his new plane all the****
>
> way to Oshkosh to join us in 1999 when we gathered for the 70thanniversar
y of the design.
> ****
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> ****
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> http://www.eaavideo.org/video.aspx?v=1373284259****
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> Mike C.****
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ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Re: tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, |
they are flimsy!
These spacer blocks are not on the plans. Mike C. had told me about adding these
blocks for the reasons he described. Having just finished covering my tail pieces,
I can say that they work just fine. I did not loose any curved shape by
shrinking the fabric.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend |
when you tight
Jack, you wouldn't put those pieces between stringers high enough for
the fabric to touch, right? C
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they
don't bend when you tight
Y'all are worrying too much again. We don't know anything about the
Pietenpol in that picture. It may have had very thin stringers, or it
may have been covered with cotton which was glued on too tight, and then
over time the dope tautened more than anticipated (butyrate dope
continues to shrink for years). If you use dacron, follow the
manufacturer's guidelines for shrinking - not the advice you think you
hear on this list.
Mike Cuy gave good advice to add little pieces between the stringers.
It takes little time and adds almost no weight. I did it on mine, per
his advice. Was it necessary? The only way to know for sure would be
to add the pieces on one side but not the other and see if the side
without reinforcement warped. I wasn't that curious.
You can see these pieces in this photo:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C N
Campbell
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:28 AM
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they
don't bend when you tight
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
All the "dacron" instructions say to do the final shrinking at 350
degrees
on the iron. Are you saying this is too much? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't
bend
when you tight
<Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
>
> Never had this issue. All depends on how tight you shrink the
fabric.
>
> Seems most over shrink it, like on the turtle deck, fuselage in
general.
> If done correctly you would not have to do what you are proposing.
Follow
> the plans and it works.
>
> .... over kill.
>
> --------
>
>
>
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364279#364279
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| Subject: | Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend |
when you tight
Looks to me like the plane might be a modified GN-1. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:31 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend
when you tight
> <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Jack is right about not knowing the specifics of the plane in the photo.
> As I recall from when I took the photo several years ago, very little of
> that Air Camper was built "to the plans". For instance, the wings are
> actually from a different aircraft, the cabane strut system is completely
> different, the aileron control cable system was redesigned, there was a
> beefy passenger door, etc., so I would not be surprised if the turtledeck
> was also "improved". In fact, I'd be surprised if it wasn't.
>
> Bill C.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364291#364291
>
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| Subject: | little stringer tips--little investment, lots of insurance--great |
photo
Excellent illustration Jack of those little pieces you used as well on you
r stringers. Like Jack said, it takes little time and adds almost
no weight and they well worthwhile, especially if you have thin stringers.
Jack's photo also shows those great little blocks on the tailsurfaces (vert
stab) that keep those
wood strips from bending when you rib stitch.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend |
when you tight
Correct. They are perhaps 3/8" below the tops of the stringers. Also in
this picture I notice that you can see the little blocks in the tail ribs
that Mike Cuy mentioned as well.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C N Campbell
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 12:50 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't
bend when you tight
Jack, you wouldn't put those pieces between stringers high enough for the
fabric to touch, right? C
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <mailto:pietflyr@bellsouth.net> Phillips
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 9:27 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't
bend when you tight
Y'all are worrying too much again. We don't know anything about the
Pietenpol in that picture. It may have had very thin stringers, or it may
have been covered with cotton which was glued on too tight, and then over
time the dope tautened more than anticipated (butyrate dope continues to
shrink for years). If you use dacron, follow the manufacturer's guidelines
for shrinking - not the advice you think you hear on this list.
Mike Cuy gave good advice to add little pieces between the stringers. It
takes little time and adds almost no weight. I did it on mine, per his
advice. Was it necessary? The only way to know for sure would be to add
the pieces on one side but not the other and see if the side without
reinforcement warped. I wasn't that curious.
You can see these pieces in this photo:
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C N Campbell
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't
bend when you tight
<cncampbell@windstream.net>
All the "dacron" instructions say to do the final shrinking at 350 degrees
on the iron. Are you saying this is too much? Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 8:05 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: how to reinforce stringers so they don't bend
when you tight
>
> Never had this issue. All depends on how tight you shrink the fabric.
>
> Seems most over shrink it, like on the turtle deck, fuselage in general.
> If done correctly you would not have to do what you are proposing. Follow
> the plans and it works.
>
> .... over kill.
>
> --------
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364279#364279
>
>
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| Subject: | Bugs in Piet yellow |
The weather got real nice this morning and I painted the horizontal stabilizer,
elevators and ailerons. All went well except for 2 flies that love Piet yellow.
do not archive
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Bugs in Piet yellow |
Flying in Florida, you'll always have a few bugs on your leading
edges....Don't let a few flies slow you down.
Ben
On 1/19/2012 1:46 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"<jdotson@centurylink.net>
>
> The weather got real nice this morning and I painted the horizontal stabilizer,
elevators and ailerons. All went well except for 2 flies that love Piet yellow.
>
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker, FL 32531
>
> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
> now covering and painting
> 21" wheels
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364311#364311
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/a30_150.jpg
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/a28_927.jpg
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>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Bugs in Piet yellow |
There absolutely HAS to be future name for Jerry's Piet hiding in that second pic!
--------
PAPA MIKE
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| Subject: | Photos of jury strut fittings on aluminum struts |
Greg,
I finally found these pics you requested. This set-up worked well for me.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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| Subject: | Re: Bugs in Piet yellow |
I see more lift
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Photos of jury strut fittings on aluminum struts |
Here's another similar idea.
--------
Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Do we doubt our work? |
Nice post Douwe..
the one thing i say to people all the time when they ask how i've gotten this far
so fast is .."try to touch some part everyday"
jeff
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Bugs in Piet yellow |
In Florida, once a couple are stuck to your leading edges, you'll need the multi
rating.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
>Sent: Jan 19, 2012 2:21 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bugs in Piet yellow
>
>
>Flying in Florida, you'll always have a few bugs on your leading
>edges....Don't let a few flies slow you down.
>
>Ben
>On 1/19/2012 1:46 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote:
>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"<jdotson@centurylink.net>
>>
>> The weather got real nice this morning and I painted the horizontal stabilizer,
elevators and ailerons. All went well except for 2 flies that love Piet yellow.
>>
>>
>> do not archive
>>
>> --------
>> Jerry Dotson
>> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
>> Baker, FL 32531
>>
>> Started building NX510JD July, 2009
>> now covering and painting
>> 21" wheels
>> Lycoming O-235 C2C
>> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364311#364311
>>
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>> Attachments:
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>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/a30_150.jpg
>> http://forums.matronics.com//files/a28_927.jpg
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>
>
>--
>Ben Charvet, PharmD
>Staff Pharmacist
>Parrish Medical center
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Photos /Heat muff |
Adrian,
Hey I like the heat muff we can see in your picture.... any info on it
for the group?
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of pineymb
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 3:38 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos of jury strut fittings on aluminum
struts
Here's another similar idea.
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Adrian M
Winnipeg, MB
Canada
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