---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 01/20/12: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:31 AM - Re: Do we doubt our work? (Matthijs de Groot) 2. 03:36 AM - Re: tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, they are flimsy! (Matthijs de Groot) 3. 04:23 AM - Re: tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, they are flimsy! (Jack Phillips) 4. 05:24 AM - Re: Photos /Heat muff (pineymb) 5. 08:14 AM - Engine Conversion (Michael Perez) 6. 08:34 AM - Re: Engine Conversion (John Franklin) 7. 08:54 AM - Re: Engine Conversion (Piet2112) 8. 10:11 AM - I wish it could fly! (Piet2112) 9. 10:18 AM - Re: I wish it could fly! (Jack Phillips) 10. 10:36 AM - Re: I wish it could fly! (Dan Yocum) 11. 11:09 AM - Re: I wish it could fly! (helspersew@aol.com) 12. 11:32 AM - Re: I wish it could fly! (kevinpurtee) 13. 11:32 AM - Re: I wish it could fly! (Bill Church) 14. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears (Ryan Mueller) 15. 11:49 AM - Re: Engine Conversion (Ryan Mueller) 16. 01:25 PM - Re: I wish it could fly! (Gary Boothe) 17. 01:34 PM - Re: Engine Conversion (Jerry Dotson) 18. 01:43 PM - A-65 parts at Barnstormer's (Jerry Dotson) 19. 02:07 PM - Re: Engine Conversion (Michael Perez) 20. 02:27 PM - Re: Engine Conversion (Bill Church) 21. 02:27 PM - Re: I wish it could fly! (Piet2112) 22. 02:41 PM - Re: Re: I wish it could fly! (Gary Boothe) 23. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Engine Conversion (airlion) 24. 03:27 PM - Re: Re: Engine Conversion (Michael Perez) 25. 04:03 PM - Re: A-65 parts at Barnstormer's (Ben Charvet) 26. 04:14 PM - Re: A-65 parts at Barnstormer's (Ryan Mueller) 27. 04:28 PM - Photos, lower end of aluminum strut (helspersew@aol.com) 28. 04:34 PM - Re: Engine Conversion (Jerry Dotson) 29. 05:49 PM - Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut (airlion) 30. 08:07 PM - Re: I wish it could fly! (regchief) 31. 08:27 PM - Re: Re: I wish it could fly! (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:20 AM PST US From: Matthijs de Groot Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Do we doubt our work? He Douwe I'm living on the island of Texel. Neer the airfield. I'm working there as a Tandem master (skydive Instructor). So I am surrounded by many people whit lots of now how. I practically live on the field. Especially the old glider pilots know a lot about building in wood. Still working every day. Winter time is slow jumping but hard building. And if it rains during the summer it's not so bad because I can build. Your welcome to have a look in sept but so far after one year of work I have: all ribs done the tail section and a start on my 1928 A ford. I hope I can show more in sept may be a prop. Thanx all of you for the good spirit I'm going strong. Matthijs On Jan 19, 2012, at 5:39 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Hey Matthijs! > > Scratch building an airplane from these plans is a monumental > achievement in my opinion. Percentage wise, VERY few people have > ever done it and these days, even less are doing it. It takes a > unique kind of person, maybe a dreamer with a willingness to learn > many skills and an ability to commit, but above all it takes a > unique kind of persistence that is driven by a vision of something > larger worth striving for. > > I feel that bringing to life to one of Pietenpol=92s planes is not > only one of the highlights of my life, but also a blessing to > everyone who will ever see or fly in it because it is like a time > capsule and historic artifact all wrapped up in one. > > Yes it is a long journey, and one I struggle with every day now that > I=92m actually rebuilding mine after an incident that set me back two > years now. YES I ABSOLUTELY STRUGGLE WHEN I THINK ABOUT ALL THE > THINGS LEFT TO DO, BUT WHILE I STRUGGLE, I WORK=85 AND MOVE THE > PROJECT FORWARD EVERY DAY. BUT=85 I KNOW, without a shadow of a doubt > that my persistence will pay off and when I=92m flying her through the > blue skies, over the green pastures that I will not feel badly about > the time spent building her, but I will look back fondly and proudly > that I stuck with it. > > A friend once told me about projects like this =93Touch something on > it every day=94. That one thought has helped me a lot. > > Where in the Netherlands are you? My wife and I will be visiting > family next September. > > Douwe > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:36:04 AM PST US From: Matthijs de Groot Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, they are flimsy! I wil put bloks in im thinking to use balsa? On Jan 19, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > These spacer blocks are not on the plans. Mike C. had told me about > adding these blocks for the reasons he described. Having just > finished covering my tail pieces, I can say that they work just > fine. I did not loose any curved shape by shrinking the fabric. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:14 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, they are flimsy! Balsa should work well. Balsa has good compressive strength. I used spruce but only because I had lots of scrap spruce laying around. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matthijs de Groot Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 6:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: tailfeather flimsy feeling---that's perfect Matthijs, they are flimsy! I wil put bloks in im thinking to use balsa? On Jan 19, 2012, at 6:33 PM, Michael Perez wrote: These spacer blocks are not on the plans. Mike C. had told me about adding these blocks for the reasons he described. Having just finished covering my tail pieces, I can say that they work just fine. I did not loose any curved shape by shrinking the fabric. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:24:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos /Heat muff From: "pineymb" Brian A very simple design consisting of two end caps radius to fit between the stacks with a wrap around forming the body of the heat muff. The inlet and outlet are offset from each other. I will be away for a week or so but if someone would like actual dimensions or a simple sketch I can do that t a later date. Attached a more recent photo after I had the stacks and muff coated. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364343#364343 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00633_596.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:13 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Conversion If I were to buy an engine with starter and generator provisions,-like a C-75, 85 etc. -12- but had no intentions on using these parts, could I bl ock of these ports and just hand prop the engine? (-8) Would it be best to wait on a -8 instead? Any weight penalties with a -12 as compared to a -8 e ven if the starter/generator are not installed?- - Thanks. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:02 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Conversion Michael, My co-builder, Jim Sury, had a C85-12 on his GN-1 but removed all of the electrical stuff so he wouldn't have to buy a transponder. At our airfield we are just inside a Mode C veil. As far as I know, he didn't have any issues from removing the electrical except weight & balance. I think he overcame that by shifting the wing. Regards, John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Jan 20, 2012 10:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Conversion If I were to buy an engine with starter and generator provisions, like a C-75, 85 etc. -12 but had no intentions on using these parts, could I block of these ports and just hand prop the engine? (-8) Would it be best to wait on a -8 instead? Any weight penalties with a -12 as compared to a -8 even if the starter/generator are not installed? Thanks. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Conversion From: "Piet2112" Michael, I found this, but haven't been able to find the actual STC if it exists. I was lucky enough to buy a C85-8 so no mods required. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm#C-85-8_vs._C-85-12 C-85-8 vs. C-85-12 I have a Air knocker with a C-85-8. I believe I need to convert this to a -12 configuration to mount a starter. What parts are involved other than changing out the accessory case using one from a C-85-12,C-90.or a 0-200? The C-85-8 and C85-12 engines are significantly different. The crankcase, accessory case, accessory gears, and magnetos are different, among other details. The hole spacing and pattern on the -8 accessory case is different than the -12 case, so the -12 accessory case does not bolt right up to the -8 crankcase. I am not aware of any approvals to convert from a -8 configuration to -12. The good news is that your engine is quite desirable, and the C85-12 is not as popular. The -8 is so desirable that there is an STC to convert -12 engines to -8 status (but not the other direction). You would be money ahead to sell your -8 and buy a -12. Unfortunately, there is no easy way to install a starter on the -8 series engine. I have looked at several methods, but the expense and complexity of the conversion is simply too high. I'm converting my Champ to a C-85-12 (but no electrics) and I'm using the Lasher STC because it provides the least amount of restrictions for engine choice. The Lasher STC works for the C-85 series of engines, but not for the O-200. You will need some factory drawings and an entirely new cowling to legally install the O-200. Sorry I don't have a better answer, but this is the straight story. Harry Follow-Up You are suggesting to me that the -8 engine is a better engine than the -12. Did I understand this correctly? I guess the -8 engine could be lighter, therefore has a better hp to weight ratio. The -8 is preferred because it is lighter than the -12 and less complicated. Internally, the two engines are similar, but the electrical accessories, wiring and battery adds a lot of weight and reduces engine power output a bit because the mechanical drag of the accessories eat up a couple of horsepower. Also, within the Cub and Aeronca groups, there is a certain feeling that the -8 is better. Most of the guys who think the -8 is better really don't know why, it is really just what they have "heard". The -8 is also a more historically accurate engine for the more perfect restorations. However, it is all a point of view. If you want electrics, then the -12 is more valuable. If your preference is simple and light, then the -8 is a better engine. Basically, they are both 85 hp engines, the -12 is about 5 lbs heavier, plus the added weight of the generator, starter, battery, battery box, wiring, etc which adds another 30-35 lbs or so the airframe. I split the difference by building a -12 minus electrics, which is an approved installation. My engine weighs about 5 lbs more than a -8, but I do have the option of installing electrics at a later time. I probably won't as I don't mind hand propping my engine. Maybe in 20 years I won't, but that is a way off yet. If you are not on the lists, join the Fearless Aeronca Aviator list and the National Aeronca Association discussion. These two groups will have a ton of information on the pros and cons of the -8 vs the -12 installation in terms of impact on aircraft performance. Harry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364367#364367 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: I wish it could fly! From: "Piet2112" I finally got to sit in the pilot seat of a Piet! Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364374#364374 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2849_303.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2850_148.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:18:24 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I wish it could fly! You look better in the first picture Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 1:09 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I wish it could fly! I finally got to sit in the pilot seat of a Piet! Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364374#364374 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2849_303.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2850_148.jpg ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:36 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I wish it could fly! Hmmm... what's behind that black veil... Lookin' good, Curt! do not archive On 01/20/2012 12:09 PM, Piet2112 wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Piet2112" > > I finally got to sit in the pilot seat of a Piet! > > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364374#364374 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2849_303.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2850_148.jpg > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I wish it could fly! From: helspersew@aol.com Beautiful Curt. Keep plug'n at it. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Piet2112 Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 12:11 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: I wish it could fly! I finally got to sit in the pilot seat of a Piet! Curt Merdan lower Mound, TX ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364374#364374 ttachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2849_303.jpg ttp://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2850_148.jpg -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I wish it could fly! From: "kevinpurtee" Did you and I not fly? I don't remember. I guess you were in the front seat if we did. No offense, Curt, but she's a lot better looking than you. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364379#364379 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I wish it could fly! From: "Bill Church" Amazing what a difference a shave and a haircut can make. :) Bill C. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364380#364380 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: more on deck angle and landing gears From: Ryan Mueller That's odd....I don't recall sending you 16 emails supporting your position. :) Most definitely do not archive On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 12:29 AM, Kenneth M. Heide wrote: > > Well then... I guess the 16 emails I received off list must be wrong for > supporting my position! > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Conversion From: Ryan Mueller If the intention is to avoid needing the transponder, ok.....but you won't be hurt by the extra weight on the front end.... Ryan On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 10:11 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > If I were to buy an engine with starter and generator provisions, like a > C-75, 85 etc. -12 but had no intentions on using these parts, could I > block of these ports and just hand prop the engine? (-8) Would it be best > to wait on a -8 instead? Any weight penalties with a -12 as compared to a > -8 even if the starter/generator are not installed? > > Thanks. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:25:41 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: I wish it could fly! CURT!! I AM CRUSHED!!! SO SOON! Have you forgotten being PIC for my first pull test? A less secure individual would conclude that you do not consider my plane to be a Pietenpol!! Although, I could understand that sentiment coming from a purist, or the Top Curmudgeon, especially if I end up using a vinyl logo! But, still.....guess I'll go out to the garage, suck my thumb, and work on my non-Pietenpol.... Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive BTW - I am happy to see you sitting in the pilot's seat of any airplane, especially your own Pietenpol!! -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 10:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I wish it could fly! I finally got to sit in the pilot seat of a Piet! Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364374#364374 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2849_303.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2850_148.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Conversion From: "Jerry Dotson" The way I interpret this you can have a starter and battery. Just not an engine driven charging system. Jeff Boatright operates that way. I called him and talked about how they do it. His home airport is within Atlanta's Class B. They just charge the battery in the hangar. I live just 7 miles from Class C.....US Navy Bell helicopter and T34C and the new T6 at Whiting (KNSE). http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/5ee8f0240fd4dd3986256a6900532c8a!OpenDocument FAR 91.215 (3) Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(2) of this section, any aircraft which was not originally certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not subsequently been certified with such a system installed, balloon or glider may conduct operations in the airspace within 30 nautical miles of an airport listed in appendix D, section 1 of this part provided such operations are conducted-- do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364386#364386 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:43:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A-65 parts at Barnstormer's From: "Jerry Dotson" CONTINENTAL A-65 PARTS $800 CLEANING OUT THE HANGAR Good collection of A-65 parts. Enough to build up one engine plus spares. No log books, no history. Must be picked up . Will not piece out. Great for a homebuilder. . Contact Edward C. Fisher - RACEAIR DESIGNS, Owner - located Gilbert, SC USA Telephone: 330-518-8383 . Posted January 19, 2012 I have no connection to this just looks like a "possible" bargain and could be a bunch of junk. do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364388#364388 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:07:54 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Conversion Crew, thanks for the help. Some very good info. on the differences between the -8s and -12s. Seems to be a lot more to changing from one to the other then I had thought. I thought maybe I could expand my engine searching to include -12 engines if such a change over could easily done. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Fri, 1/20/12, Ryan Mueller wrote: > From: Ryan Mueller > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Conversion > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Friday, January 20, 2012, 2:46 PM > If the intention is to avoid needing the > transponder, ok.....but you won't be hurt by the extra > weight on the front end.... > Ryan > > On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 > at 10:11 AM, Michael Perez > wrote: > > If I were to buy an engine with > starter and generator provisions,like a C-75, 85 etc. > -12 but had no intentions on using these parts, could I > block of these ports and just hand prop the engine? (-8) > Would it be best to wait on a -8 instead? Any weight > penalties with a -12 as compared to a -8 even if the > starter/generator are not installed? > > > Thanks. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > " > target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Conversion From: "Bill Church" Michael, With a C-75 or C-85-12, even though these engines have a starter, you would still have the option of hand propping anytime you want. But I believe the answer to your original question was YES, you can remove the starter and generator, and cover up the openings with coverplates. This is what "the Continental Guru", Harry Fenton said he did for his plane (he says it is an approved installation). In your case, since you're building an Experimental aircraft, I believe you are free to do as you please (no STC required). Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364394#364394 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I wish it could fly! From: "Piet2112" Gary, My most sincere apologies. I don't know how I could forget going full- throttle towards your garage. It was the lack of a flop that thru me off. This was the first time sitting in the pilot seat of MY Pietenpol. Kevin, we have not flown together yet, and yes she is a lot better looking. Bill, I only got the haircut. Look close and you'll see I stole Dan Helsper's beard. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364393#364393 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pastedgraphic_429.jpg ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:25 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: I wish it could fly! Ahhhhh! (I am redeemed) Thanks for the picture, too, Curt! I have made 3 computer changes since then, and could not find any of the pull test. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2112 Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 2:25 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I wish it could fly! Gary, My most sincere apologies. I don't know how I could forget going full- throttle towards your garage. It was the lack of a flop that thru me off. This was the first time sitting in the pilot seat of MY Pietenpol. Kevin, we have not flown together yet, and yes she is a lot better looking. Bill, I only got the haircut. Look close and you'll see I stole Dan Helsper's beard. Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364393#364393 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pastedgraphic_429.jpg ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:12:02 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Conversion Jerry, I will be in Destin with my wife at her Rotary convention late April and would like to come visit with you. Will you be there? And I will need directions. How far is it? I would like to make this a one day trip.Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Fri, January 20, 2012 4:32:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Conversion The way I interpret this you can have a starter and battery. Just not an engine driven charging system. Jeff Boatright operates that way. I called him and talked about how they do it. His home airport is within Atlanta's Class B. They just charge the battery in the hangar. I live just 7 miles from Class C.....US Navy Bell helicopter and T34C and the new T6 at Whiting (KNSE). http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/5ee8f0240fd4dd3986256a6900532c8a!OpenDocument FAR 91.215 (3) Notwithstanding paragraph (b)(2) of this section, any aircraft which was not originally certificated with an engine-driven electrical system or which has not subsequently been certified with such a system installed, balloon or glider may conduct operations in the airspace within 30 nautical miles of an airport listed in appendix D, section 1 of this part provided such operations are conducted-- do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364386#364386 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:10 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Conversion Thanks Bill. That was the basic question...if there were any problems with buying a -12, pitch, (sell) the starter, generator, misc. wires, etc., block off any un-used ports and GO! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:35 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 parts at Barnstormer's I have a similar collection in my hangar, if anyone in Florida is interested. Ben Do not archive On 1/20/2012 4:40 PM, Jerry Dotson wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson" > > CONTINENTAL A-65 PARTS $800 CLEANING OUT THE HANGAR Good collection of A-65 parts. Enough to build up one engine plus spares. No log books, no history. Must be picked up . Will not piece out. Great for a homebuilder. . Contact Edward C. Fisher - RACEAIR DESIGNS, Owner - located Gilbert, SC USA Telephone: 330-518-8383 . Posted January 19, 2012 > > > I have no connection to this just looks like a "possible" bargain and could be a bunch of junk. > > > do not archive > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > now covering and painting > 21" wheels > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364388#364388 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A-65 parts at Barnstormer's From: Ryan Mueller That would be EAA Hall of Famer Ed Fisher....not that that guarantees anything, but at least a bit more of a known entity than some random guy Ryan do not archive On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Jerry Dotson wrot e: > jdotson@centurylink.net> > > CONTINENTAL A-65 PARTS - $800 - CLEANING OUT THE HANGAR - Good coll ection > of A-65 parts. Enough to build up one engine plus spares. No log books, n o > history. Must be picked up . Will not piece out. Great for a homebuilder. . > - Contact Edward C. Fisher - RACEAIR DESIGNS, Owner - located Gilbert, SC > USA - Telephone: 330-518-8383 . - Posted January 19, 2012 > > > I have no connection to this just looks like a "possible" bargain and > could be a bunch of junk. > > > do not archive > > -------- > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 > > Started building NX510JD July, 2009 > now covering and painting > 21" wheels > Lycoming O-235 C2C > Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364388#364388 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:28:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut From: helspersew@aol.com Listers, Found a couple more pics, illustrating the lower end of the aluminum strut. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Conversion From: "Jerry Dotson" Gardiner, If you will come see me I will treat you like royalty. Just let me know when you are coming. Jerry do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364409#364409 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:49:11 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut Dan, how long are your one inch metal into your struts.? Are you sure that the piper rod ends are cad plated? I don't know what that means. My rod ends are steel because my magnet tells me so.I have not ordered my struts yet. Cheers, Gardiner ________________________________ From: "helspersew@aol.com" Sent: Fri, January 20, 2012 7:25:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut Listers, Found a couple more pics, illustrating the lower end of the aluminum strut. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I wish it could fly! From: "regchief" Gary, you should have donned a santa suit and sat on top of the truck with reins. The pic could have been titled "Go Rudolf,,,,GO" Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364421#364421 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:23 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: I wish it could fly! I was worried that the truck brakes would let go. ;-) Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of regchief Sent: Friday, January 20, 2012 8:04 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I wish it could fly! Gary, you should have donned a santa suit and sat on top of the truck with reins. 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