---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/21/12: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:50 AM - Re: I wish it could fly! (K5YAC) 2. 04:06 AM - Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 04:11 AM - Re: I wish it could fly! (Mark Stanley) 4. 04:51 AM - Ford A/B site (Mark Stanley) 5. 05:05 AM - Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut (airlion) 6. 06:09 AM - Re: Ford A/B site (Ben Charvet) 7. 06:37 AM - Re: Ford A/B site (Mark Stanley) 8. 07:08 AM - Cabane fitting weld (Kringle) 9. 08:43 AM - Re: Cabane fitting weld (Bill Church) 10. 09:17 AM - Re: I wish it could fly! (aerocarjake) 11. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: Cabane fitting weld (Jim Ash) 12. 02:21 PM - Re: Re: Cabane fitting weld (C N Campbell) 13. 02:41 PM - Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut (tkreiner) 14. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut (helspersew@aol.com) 15. 03:36 PM - Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut (tkreiner) 16. 03:38 PM - Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut (tkreiner) 17. 03:46 PM - Re: Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut (helspersew@aol.com) 18. 04:24 PM - Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut (tkreiner) 19. 04:35 PM - Re: Cabane fitting weld (Kringle) 20. 05:48 PM - Re: Photos of jury strut fittings on aluminum struts (VanDy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I wish it could fly! From: "K5YAC" Looking good Curt! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364430#364430 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut From: helspersew@aol.com Gardiner, I believe I made them 6" or 7" long (can't remember), held in by two 1/4" d ia AN4 bolts. The J-3 fork ends are steel and have some kind of corrosion-p roofing coating. Can't honestly say what it is. It may not be cadmium. Hope this helps. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: airlion Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut Dan, how long are your one inch metal into your struts.? Are you sure that the piper rod ends are cad plated? I don't know what that means. My rod en ds are steel because my magnet tells me so.I have not ordered my struts yet . Cheers, Gardiner From: "helspersew@aol.com" Sent: Fri, January 20, 2012 7:25:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut Listers, Found a couple more pics, illustrating the lower end of the aluminum strut. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:23 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I wish it could fly! Hi Curt, Looking good!.....bet you made the official 'airplane noises'?? Mark Stanley Japan -----Original Message----- From: Piet2112 Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: I wish it could fly! I finally got to sit in the pilot seat of a Piet! Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364374#364374 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2849_303.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_2850_148.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:19 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ford A/B site Hi Pieters, Just surfing around the web and came accross this site http://www.fordgarage.com/ It covers allot of Ford A/B bits and pieces inc engine etc. I havn=1B$B!G=1B(Bt look at it all yet but for newbies like me thinking about the Ford A for the Piet, it may be of interset. Appologies if it has been posted before. Mark Stanley Japan ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:37 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut Thanks Dan. I will go from there and put some kind of coating on the threads. Gardiner ________________________________ From: "helspersew@aol.com" Sent: Sat, January 21, 2012 7:03:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut Gardiner, I believe I made them 6" or 7" long (can't remember), held in by two 1/4" dia AN4 bolts. The J-3 fork ends are steel and have some kind of corrosion-proofing coating. Can't honestly say what it is. It may not be cadmium. Hope this helps. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: airlion Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut Dan, how long are your one inch metal into your struts.? Are you sure that the piper rod ends are cad plated? I don't know what that means. My rod ends are steel because my magnet tells me so.I have not ordered my struts yet. Cheers, Gardiner ________________________________ From: "helspersew@aol.com" Sent: Fri, January 20, 2012 7:25:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut Listers, Found a couple more pics, illustrating the lower end of the aluminum strut. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:26 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ford A/B site I just finished restoring a Model A pickup. Its amazing how cheap parts are for these old cars. Try brattons,.com. Ben On 1/21/2012 7:48 AM, Mark Stanley wrote: > Hi Pieters, > Just surfing around the web and came accross this site > http://www.fordgarage.com/ > It covers allot of Ford A/B bits and pieces inc engine etc. > I havn$B!G(Bt look at it all yet but for newbies like me thinking about the > Ford A for the Piet, it may be of interset. > Appologies if it has been posted before. > Mark Stanley > Japan > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:19 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ford A/B site Thanks Ben, will check it out. Mark S Japan do not archive From: Ben Charvet Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:07 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ford A/B site I just finished restoring a Model A pickup. Its amazing how cheap parts are for these old cars. Try brattons,.com. Ben On 1/21/2012 7:48 AM, Mark Stanley wrote: Hi Pieters, Just surfing around the web and came accross this site http://www.fordgarage.com/ It covers allot of Ford A/B bits and pieces inc engine etc. I havn=1B$B!G=1B(Bt look at it all yet but for newbies like me thinking about the Ford A for the Piet, it may be of interset. Appologies if it has been posted before. Mark Stanley Japan -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cabane fitting weld From: "Kringle" What is the best way to weld the cabana fittings for the center sections? Do you do this while they are fitted to the spar or tack weld on the spar and remove for final welding? Perhaps some just mark them and do the welding before assembly all together. They fit so snug to the triangle plywood pieces glued to the spar that I want to make sure and keep this fit tight. -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364443#364443 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fitting weld From: "Bill Church" John, You really don't want to be welding adjacent to your spar. Why don't you build a jig? Use some scrap wood and duplicate the geometry of the spar/triangular plywood. Place the metal parts in the jig, tack weld, and remove for final welding. Things may still move slightly during the welding process, but not much. As long as it is pretty close, you can adjust (fine tune) the welded assembly with a hammer. Ideally, the triangular plywood should be fitted to suit the welded brackets, but it sounds like you've already glued them in place. As long as you make your jig as close to the real thing as possible, it should work fine. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364447#364447 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:17:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I wish it could fly! From: "aerocarjake" Looks fantastic....! Your Piet is almost finished.... Do not archive -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364451#364451 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:27 PM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fitting weld I second Bill's comment about it not being prudent to weld against your spar. You don't want to be welding up against any wood, scrap or otherwise. I've welded on stuff that was supported by wood parts, 2x4's and whatever. If you get too close and the wood starts to smoke, it starts to effect the welding process itself, and I suspect it can contaminate the weld also. I have a whack of copper (maybe 1/2"x4"x8") given to me by someone unremembered many years ago; I think it was a grounding block for something that carried enough current to power a small town. I use it as a jigging tool for welding sometimes to back up my parts. The copper sinks heat like crazy, so it's not going to become part of your work piece. For something like you're suggesting, I'd probably clamp the parts to my copper block with some vice grips. With the clamps, you stand a much better shot at the work coming out straight and square. You still have to watch that shrinkage doesn't deform the part, but by understanding where the weld shrinkage is going to occur, you can plan for it and come out with a good part. Jim Ash -----Original Message----- >From: Bill Church >Sent: Jan 21, 2012 11:41 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fitting weld > > >John, > >You really don't want to be welding adjacent to your spar. > >Why don't you build a jig? Use some scrap wood and duplicate the geometry of the spar/triangular plywood. Place the metal parts in the jig, tack weld, and remove for final welding. Things may still move slightly during the welding process, but not much. As long as it is pretty close, you can adjust (fine tune) the welded assembly with a hammer. Ideally, the triangular plywood should be fitted to suit the welded brackets, but it sounds like you've already glued them in place. As long as you make your jig as close to the real thing as possible, it should work fine. > >Bill C. > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364447#364447 > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:36 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fitting weld I agree with Bill. That is exactly how I did it. The welding pretty much made a mess of the jig but I was going to discard it anyway. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Church" Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 11:41 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fitting weld > > > John, > > You really don't want to be welding adjacent to your spar. > > Why don't you build a jig? Use some scrap wood and duplicate the geometry > of the spar/triangular plywood. Place the metal parts in the jig, tack > weld, and remove for final welding. Things may still move slightly during > the welding process, but not much. As long as it is pretty close, you can > adjust (fine tune) the welded assembly with a hammer. Ideally, the > triangular plywood should be fitted to suit the welded brackets, but it > sounds like you've already glued them in place. As long as you make your > jig as close to the real thing as possible, it should work fine. > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364447#364447 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut From: "tkreiner" Dan, Nice work, and looks plenty sturdy. What thread does your Clevis have? Do you know if a 7/16-20 thread would be appropriate for this method of lower strut. ( I was able to pick up 6 mint matching Clevis' on eBay with 7/16 threads... Enough for struts and angled cabane struts.) -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364465#364465 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:06:51 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut From: helspersew@aol.com Tom, The J-3 wing strut forks that I used (from Wag Aero) has that same thread, 7/16 x 20. You should be good to go. Are your forks from aircraft? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN PS where are you from? -----Original Message----- From: tkreiner Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2012 4:41 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut Dan, Nice work, and looks plenty sturdy. What thread does your Clevis have? Do you know if a 7/16-20 thread would be appropriate for this method of low er trut. ( I was able to pick up 6 mint matching Clevis' on eBay with 7/16 hreads... Enough for struts and angled cabane struts.) -------- om Kreiner ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364465#364465 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:36:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut From: "tkreiner" Dan, Yes, they were advertised as "from a Stearman." Not sure how great a buy it was, but I paid $26. For the lot. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364474#364474 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:38:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut From: "tkreiner" Dan, Sorry, didn't read the entire post... I'm in Spring, TX, (Houston area). -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364475#364475 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut From: helspersew@aol.com Tom, That is a great buy!! Current price on one J-3 fork is $84.00. You did good !! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: tkreiner Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:38 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut Dan, Sorry, didn't read the entire post... I'm in Spring, TX, (Houston area). -------- om Kreiner ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364475#364475 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:24:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos, lower end of aluminum strut From: "tkreiner" Dan, Sorry, didn't read the entire post... I'm in Spring, TX, (Houston area). -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364479#364479 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Cabane fitting weld From: "Kringle" Thanks, I'll let you know how it turns out. -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364482#364482 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Photos of jury strut fittings on aluminum struts From: "VanDy" hope this pic helps some too, I'll check the total hours next time I am in my garage. -------- www.vansaviation.com follow my Piet rebuild there! almost dissasembled, getting ready to order all AN hardware and SS cable Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364486#364486 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.