---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/28/12: 23 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:11 AM - brass tipped prop (John Greenlee) 2. 08:49 AM - Re: Stewart Systems Question? (Ben Charvet) 3. 08:58 AM - rib jig (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 4. 08:59 AM - Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) (bcolleran) 5. 09:12 AM - Re: brass tipped prop (Chris) 6. 09:16 AM - Re: rib jig (Ben Charvet) 7. 09:47 AM - Re: rib jig (Greg Cardinal) 8. 09:52 AM - Re: rib jig (shad bell) 9. 09:56 AM - Steam box for bending plywood (shad bell) 10. 10:02 AM - Re: rib jig (Bill Church) 11. 10:04 AM - Re: rib jig (Ken Bickers) 12. 10:14 AM - Re: rib jig (Jerry Dotson) 13. 10:49 AM - Re: brass tipped prop (helspersew@aol.com) 14. 11:05 AM - Re: brass tipped prop (Gary Boothe) 15. 11:06 AM - Re: rib jig (Jack@textors.com) 16. 11:07 AM - Rib Jig (Gary Boothe) 17. 11:21 AM - Re: brass tipped prop (airlion) 18. 12:25 PM - Plans For Sale (bcolleran) 19. 12:31 PM - Re: rib jig (dgaldrich) 20. 03:31 PM - Re: brass tipped prop (helspersew@aol.com) 21. 03:55 PM - Re: brass tipped prop (airlion) 22. 04:42 PM - Re: Steam box for bending plywood (shad bell) 23. 09:40 PM - Re: Steam box for bending plywood (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:17 AM PST US From: "John Greenlee" Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop Hello, I carved a few props for the Model A several years ago. What I have never found is instructions on how to apply a brass leading edge. Has anyone here done this? Do you have any instructions? Thanks! JMG ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:49:42 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Stewart Systems Question? I also used the 1.7 oz fabric and did the full shrink. If you want to see an example of a "light structure" look at a Graham Lee Nieuport, which has the tail surfaces and trailing edges made of 1/2 inch .032 aluminum tubes. I have an unfinished project in my hangar, that when I finally get around to will probably not get the full shrink. As aircraft structures go the Piet is pretty stout. Ben Charvet Titusville, Fl On 1/25/2012 12:45 PM, Chris Rusch wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Chris Rusch" > > I just bought all of the SS supplies to start covering, and watching the video they say you might want to NOT shrink the material to the full 350 degrees if the structure is light. Did anyone have any problem going to the full shrink on a Piet structure? Also, i went with the light 1.7 ceconite uncertified. > > Thanks in advance. > > Chris > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=364820#364820 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:58:14 AM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib jig When you builders made your jigs for doing the ribs, did anyone drill holes at the glue spots so any excess would fall away? How many wet the two surf aces prior to applying glue? Last but not least, did anyone use the west sy stem?-=0A=0AJoe Swithin=0AMorris, IL ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:59:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: FOR SALE (PROJECT) From: "bcolleran" Ladies and Gent's my project is SOLD! The new proud owners came and got her today. I still have a set of plans if anyone is interested. Please let me know and I can have them fedex out to you as soon as possible. Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365031#365031 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:12:11 AM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop John You need to download this book The Airplane Propeller By United States. Army. Air Corps, United States. Adjutant-General's Office http://books.google.com/books?id=JndBAAAAIAAJ &dq=aircraft%20propeller%20manufacturing%20coppering&pg=PA7#v=onepage&q=airc raft%20propeller%20manufacturing%20coppering&f=false The information your looking for starts on page 107 of the PDF. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Greenlee Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop Hello, I carved a few props for the Model A several years ago. What I have never found is instructions on how to apply a brass leading edge. Has anyone here done this? Do you have any instructions? Thanks! JMG ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:16:50 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib jig I just took some plastic shopping bags and cut them into 2 inch squares and put a piece under each glue joint. The plastic would pull right off of T-88 and made it real easy to get the rib out of the jig. A few years ago at the Sun-N-Fun workshop someone made a rib in the jig without any protection under the glue joints, and I'm wondering if they ever got that rib out. Ben On 1/28/2012 11:55 AM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: > When you builders made your jigs for doing the ribs, did anyone drill > holes at the glue spots so any excess would fall away? How many wet > the two surfaces prior to applying glue? Last but not least, did > anyone use the west system? > > Joe Swithin > Morris, IL > > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:55 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib jig My rib jig was built using a 2 X 8 piece of lumber. Material was removed from the 2 X 8 at the glue joints. I used Aerolite adhesive applying resin on one surface and activator on the mating surface. If using T-88 or West it is good practice to apply adhesive to both mating surfaces. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH SWITHIN To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 10:55 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib jig When you builders made your jigs for doing the ribs, did anyone drill holes at the glue spots so any excess would fall away? How many wet the two surfaces prior to applying glue? Last but not least, did anyone use the west system? Joe Swithin Morris, IL ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:14 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib jig I stole the ole lady's wax paper out of the kitchen for my rib jig, it work s ok.- It is a pain in the butt to put those little pieces of wax paperin the jig for every rib joint.- I thought posibly using a rib length piece of thin clear plastic over your full size print, and use the white nylon/t eflon (hard plastic) stock to cut your jig blocks out of would be the ultim ate.- It would cost a little more than using scrap wood for the blocks, b ut would be easier, I think the dried glue would simply chip, peel off the plastic surfaces when dry.- Wow! why did I not think of this years ago, g uess life is even tougher when your dumb. - Shad --- On Sat, 1/28/12, Ben Charvet wrote: From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib jig I just took some plastic shopping bags and cut them into 2 inch squares and put a piece under each glue joint.- The plastic would pull right off of T-88 and made it real easy to get the rib out of the jig.- A few years ag o at the Sun-N-Fun workshop someone made a rib in the jig without any prote ction under the glue joints, and I'm wondering if they ever got that rib ou t. Ben On 1/28/2012 11:55 AM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: When you builders made your jigs for doing the ribs, did anyone drill holes at the glue spots so any excess would fall away? How many wet the two surf aces prior to applying glue? Last but not least, did anyone use the west sy stem?- Joe Swithin Morris, IL -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:56:54 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steam box for bending plywood Well guys I am going out to build my steam box for my leading edge plywood, I will let y'all know how it works.- 1 steel gas can, few 2x4's,- coup le sheets of plywood, and a turkey deep fryer propane burner.- I hope I r ember to empty the gas out of the can before throwing the flames to it ha h a.- I will post some pics of it in action if it works. - Shad Do not archive ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:02:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib jig From: "Bill Church" Joe, the disadvantage that I can see with a jig having holes at the joints is that while excess epoxy will be able to fall away, not ALL of the excess will drip off. You will likely end up with a small blob of hardened epoxy that you will need to remove before attaching the gussets. By using a method like Ben described, any excess epoxy remains flat, making the attachment of gusset plates much easier. On the other hand, you really don't need that much epoxy. If you're a tidy builder, there really shouldn't be much excess glue. For epoxy, I used T-88, which is very simple to mix; 1:1 by volume - no ratios to calculate, no need for weigh scales. Some people have expressed a preference for the West System, but I don't know what the preference is based on. I like simple, and a one to one mixing ratio is as simple as it can get (for a two-part epoxy). Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365043#365043 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:01 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib jig From: Ken Bickers I used wax paper, too, until I discovered Saran Wrap (actually I already knew about, just hadn't thought of its use in a jig). Just lay a long length of Saran Wrap over the jig. The pieces of wood will push it down into the jig as you assemble the rib or tail pieces. Easy and fast. On Sat, Jan 28, 2012 at 10:49 AM, shad bell wrote: > I stole the ole lady's wax paper out of the kitchen for my rib jig, it > works ok. It is a pain in the butt to put those little pieces of wax > paperin the jig for every rib joint. I thought posibly using a rib length > piece of thin clear plastic over your full size print, and use the white > nylon/teflon (hard plastic) stock to cut your jig blocks out of would be > the ultimate. It would cost a little more than using scrap wood for the > blocks, but would be easier, I think the dried glue would simply chip, peel > off the plastic surfaces when dry. Wow! why did I not think of this years > ago, guess life is even tougher when your dumb. > > Shad > > --- On *Sat, 1/28/12, Ben Charvet * wrote: > > > From: Ben Charvet > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib jig > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 12:13 PM > > I just took some plastic shopping bags and cut them into 2 inch squares > and put a piece under each glue joint. The plastic would pull right off of > T-88 and made it real easy to get the rib out of the jig. A few years ago > at the Sun-N-Fun workshop someone made a rib in the jig without any > protection under the glue joints, and I'm wondering if they ever got that > rib out. > > Ben > On 1/28/2012 11:55 AM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: > > When you builders made your jigs for doing the ribs, did anyone drill > holes at the glue spots so any excess would fall away? How many wet the two > surfaces prior to applying glue? Last but not least, did anyone use the > west system? > > Joe Swithin > Morris, IL > > * > > * > > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > * > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:14:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib jig From: "Jerry Dotson" I used that aggravating sandwich wrap. The roll was wider than the jig so I just unrolled it right on top of the jig. Put the pieces in. When I took the rib out of the jig the Saran wrap came with it. Put a fresh piece in and start again 30 times and you are done. I used T-88 do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365046#365046 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:49:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop From: helspersew@aol.com Hi John, I have posed this very question to the list previously, with few results. S ome of the guys forwarded some helpful information, but it never really get s down to the difficult part, which is forming the brass to the exact shape of the prop in order to match it perfectly. Obviously this has been done c ountless times in the past, but I haven't been able to come up the secret. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: John Greenlee Sent: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:11 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop Hello, I carved a few props for the Model A several years ago. What I have never found is instructions on how to apply a brass leading edge. Has anyone her e done this? Do you have any instructions? Thanks! JMG -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:36 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop 4 mil visqueen right over the rib drawing. After 3 years, and 100's of ribs (seemed like it), it's still good. But, the BEST NEWS is.sounds like you're building an airplane!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop John You need to download this book The Airplane Propeller By United States. Army. Air Corps, United States. Adjutant-General's Office http://books.google.com/books?id=JndBAAAAIAAJ &dq=aircraft%20propeller%20manufacturing%20coppering&pg=PA7#v=onepage&q=airc raft%20propeller%20manufacturing%20coppering&f=false The information your looking for starts on page 107 of the PDF. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Greenlee Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop Hello, I carved a few props for the Model A several years ago. What I have never found is instructions on how to apply a brass leading edge. Has anyone here done this? Do you have any instructions? Thanks! JMG href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:06:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib jig From: "Jack@textors.com" Joe see here http://www.textors.com/RibJig.jpg I use west system for areas w here I need a large batch of glue, not for the ribs jack Desmond Sent from my iPad On Jan 28, 2012, at 10:55 AM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: > When you builders made your jigs for doing the ribs, did anyone drill hole s at the glue spots so any excess would fall away? How many wet the two surf aces prior to applying glue? Last but not least, did anyone use the west sys tem? > > Joe Swithin > Morris, IL > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:07:20 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Jig Oops, sorry, that was meant for Joe Swithin.obviously. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: Gary Boothe [mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 11:03 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop 4 mil visqueen right over the rib drawing. After 3 years, and 100's of ribs (seemed like it), it's still good. But, the BEST NEWS is.sounds like you're building an airplane!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 9:10 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop John You need to download this book The Airplane Propeller By United States. Army. Air Corps, United States. Adjutant-General's Office http://books.google.com/books?id=JndBAAAAIAAJ &dq=aircraft%20propeller%20manufacturing%20coppering&pg=PA7#v=onepage&q=airc raft%20propeller%20manufacturing%20coppering&f=false The information your looking for starts on page 107 of the PDF. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Greenlee Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012 8:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop Hello, I carved a few props for the Model A several years ago. What I have never found is instructions on how to apply a brass leading edge. Has anyone here done this? Do you have any instructions? Thanks! JMG href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:21:25 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop hi Dan, I hate to keeping harping on this.I plan to order the laarger strut s that take a 1 in sq bar.. Then drill it to accept my 7 16 in strut forks, My forks came off my old piper struts that were steel. The forks don't rus t but are magnetic in that they are not stainless steel. I was told to put a ss shim inthe hole before threading the bar. If they don't rust then woul d it be OK to just tap into the aluminum bar. 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I have sold my piet and now have a full set of plans less a full size rib for sale. It is everything that you would get for the pietenpol family. They are lightly used. If you are interested I am asking 150.00 and I can fedex them out tonight. I use paypal and can complete the transaction anytime. Bill Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365061#365061 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 12:31:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib jig From: "dgaldrich" I did the holes under the joints and used West System. The comment about having small blobs of glue on the opposite joint is correct but those are easy to buff off with a stationary belt sander. This has the added benefit of giving a smooth, flat, raw wood surface for the second gusset to adhere to rather than a slick epoxy spot which may require a quick roughing up in order for the glue to bond correctly. West System is actually simpler than T-88 to mix. One stroke of each pump gives correctly proportioned amounts. You don't have to go to some fast food franchise to get tiny cups or something equivalent. The down side is the "one stroke minimum" dispensing can give you more mix than you need for small jobs. The West System stuff isn't as "thick" as T-88 and that might be an issue if filling gaps but is an advantage doing any kind of larger laminations. Dave do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365062#365062 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:31:49 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop From: helspersew@aol.com Gardiner, I am thoroughly confused. I flat out don't understand your question. Could you please re-state. Thanks. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: airlion Sent: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:21 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop hi Dan, I hate to keeping harping on this.I plan to order the laarger strut s that take a 1 in sq bar.. Then drill it to accept my 7 16 in strut forks, My forks came off my old piper struts that were steel. The forks don't rus t but are magnetic in that they are not stainless steel. I was told to put a ss shim inthe hole before threading the bar. If they don't rust then woul d it be OK to just tap into the aluminum bar. Gardiner --- On Sat, 1/28/12, helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop Hi John, I have posed this very question to the list previously, with few results. S ome of the guys forwarded some helpful information, but it never really get s down to the difficult part, which is forming the brass to the exact shape of the prop in order to match it perfectly. Obviously this has been done c ountless times in the past, but I haven't been able to come up the secret. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: John Greenlee Sent: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:11 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop Hello, I carved a few props for the Model A several years ago. What I have never found is instructions on how to apply a brass leading edge. Has anyone her e done this? Do you have any instructions? Thanks! JMG " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics="nofollow"; target="_blank" href="http://forums. matronics.com">http:/================== ===== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:55 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop Sorry about that Dan,I tend to ramble around. I want to order the large str uts from Carlson. I have forked ends from my old Piper struts and I wondere d how you did yours. Are your struts adjustable? I am worried about corrosi on between the steel fork and the aluminum strut. Gardiner --- On Sat, 1/28/12, helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop =0AGardiner,=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0AI am thoroughly confused. I flat out don't understand your question. Could you please re-state. Thanks.=0A=0A=0A- =0A=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A=0A=0APuryear, TN =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: airlion =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 1:21 pm =0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ahi Dan, I hate to keeping harping on this.I plan to or der the laarger struts that take a 1 in sq bar.. Then drill it to accept my 7 16 in strut forks, My forks came off my old piper struts that were steel . The forks don't rust but are magnetic in that they are not stainless stee l. I was told to put a ss shim inthe hole before threading the bar. If they don't rust then would it be OK to just tap into the aluminum bar. Gardiner =0A =0A--- On Sat, 1/28/12, helspersew@aol.com wrote: =0A=0A =0AFrom: helspersew@aol.com =0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ADate: Saturday, January 28, 2012, 1:47 PM =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0AHi John,=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0AI have posed this very question to the list previously, with few results. Some of the guys forwarded some helpful information, but it never really gets down to the difficult part, w hich is forming the brass to the exact shape of the prop in order to match it perfectly. Obviously this has been done countless times in the past, but I haven't been able to come up the secret.=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0ADan Helsper =0A=0A=0APuryear, TN =0A =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message----- =0AFrom: John Greenlee =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Sat, Jan 28, 2012 10:11 am =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: brass tipped prop =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A#yiv1150430075 #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c 21-8bc32494122c td{color:black;}#yiv1150430075 #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_b 24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21-8bc32494122c #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_cc44bffd-75 8b-44f6-b522-ea8a9cfae6e5 td{color:black;}#yiv1150430075 #yiv1150430075AOLM sgPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21-8bc32494122c #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_c c44bffd-758b-44f6-b522-ea8a9cfae6e5 p.yiv1150430075MsoNormal, #yiv115043007 5 #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21-8bc32494122c #yiv115 0430075AOLMsgPart_1_cc44bffd-758b-44f6-b522-ea8a9cfae6e5 li.yiv1150430075M soNormal, #yiv1150430075 #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21 -8bc32494122c #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_cc44bffd-758b-44f6-b522-ea8a9cfa e6e5 div.yiv1150430075MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-si ze:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman";}#yiv1150430075 #yiv1150430075AOLMs gPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21-8bc32494122c #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_cc44bffd-758b-44f6-b522-ea8a9cfae6e5 a:link, #y iv1150430075 #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21-8bc32494122 c #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_cc44bffd-758b-44f6-b522-ea8a9cfae6e5 span.y iv1150430075MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv115043 0075 #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21-8bc32494122c #yiv1 150430075AOLMsgPart_1_cc44bffd-758b-44f6-b522-ea8a9cfae6e5 a:visited, #yiv1 150430075 #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21-8bc32494122c #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_cc44bffd-758b-44f6-b522-ea8a9cfae6e5 span.yiv1 150430075MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;}#y iv1150430075 #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21-8bc32494122 c #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_cc44bffd-758b-44f6-b522-ea8a9cfae6e5 span.yiv 1150430075EmailStyle17 {font-family:Arial;color:windowtext;}#yiv1150430075 #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21-8bc32494122c filtered {margin:1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in;}#yiv1150430075 #yiv1150430075 AOLMsgPart_1_b24889ec-e2ff-41af-9c21-8bc32494122c #yiv1150430075AOLMsgPart _1_cc44bffd-758b-44f6-b522-ea8a9cfae6e5 div.yiv1150430075Section1 {}=0A=0A =0A=0A=0AHello,=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0AI carved a few props for the Model A se veral years ago.- What I have never found is instructions on how to apply a brass leading edge.- Has anyone here done this?- Do you have any ins tructions?=0A=0A=0A-=0A=0A=0AThanks!=0A=0A=0A =0AJMG=0A=0A " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics="nofollow"; target="_blank" href="http://f orums.matronics.com">http:/================ ======= =0A " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:18 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steam box for bending plywood Well it works!- Took about 20 min to get her boiling, and about 20 more t o get the steam rolling out of the vent holes.- I let it steam for about 30 min, unscrewed the plywood lid and stapled it to my mock up L/E jig.- It wrapped nicely and took about 10 min to secure to the jig.- Probably n ot needed for a pietenpol leading edge, but.....who of you is goning to sto p at one airplane?- I would post some pictures but my camera on my phone took a crap, and will not work! - Shad ps I will get the camera camera, I guess one tool for all is a load of crap , I never talk on a camera, might has well not shoot pictures with a phone. --- On Sat, 1/28/12, shad bell wrote: From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steam box for bending plywood Well guys I am going out to build my steam box for my leading edge plywood, I will let y'all know how it works.- 1 steel gas can, few 2x4's,- coup le sheets of plywood, and a turkey deep fryer propane burner.- I hope I r ember to empty the gas out of the can before throwing the flames to it ha h a.- I will post some pics of it in action if it works. - Shad Do not archive ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:56 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steam box for bending plywood Hear's a few pics of the steamer. 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