---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/03/12: 33 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:23 AM - Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (Mark Stanley) 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (chase143(at)aol.com) 3. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (C N Campbell) 4. 07:19 AM - Wonder why this never caught on? (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 07:45 AM - Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (C N Campbell) 6. 08:06 AM - Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (Ryan Mueller) 7. 08:30 AM - Re: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (airlion) 8. 08:41 AM - Steel LG Lug Thickness (Oscar Zuniga) 9. 08:43 AM - Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (bender) 10. 09:04 AM - Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (RickBright) 11. 09:19 AM - Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (tools) 12. 09:34 AM - Re: Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (Michael Perez) 13. 09:37 AM - Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (Hans Van Der Voort) 14. 11:00 AM - Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (C N Campbell) 15. 11:16 AM - Wonder why this never caught on? ATT: Douwe Blumberg (helspersew@aol.com) 16. 01:12 PM - Re: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (C N Campbell) 17. 01:49 PM - Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (jarheadpilot82) 18. 02:09 PM - Re: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (C N Campbell) 19. 03:02 PM - Instrument Panel? (FandS_Piet) 20. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (airlion) 21. 03:15 PM - Re: Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 22. 03:16 PM - Re: Instrument Panel? (helspersew@aol.com) 23. 03:41 PM - Re: Instrument Panel? (John Franklin) 24. 04:02 PM - Re: Instrument Panel? (Ben Charvet) 25. 05:14 PM - Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (Gboothe5) 26. 05:14 PM - Re: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (C N Campbell) 27. 06:05 PM - Re: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (mike Hardaway) 28. 06:24 PM - Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (jarheadpilot82) 29. 07:05 PM - Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (Baldeagle) 30. 07:56 PM - Re: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (mike Hardaway) 31. 08:18 PM - Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (jarheadpilot82) 32. 08:18 PM - Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video (jarheadpilot82) 33. 10:25 PM - Re: Wonder why this never caught on? (Billy McCaskill) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:42 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Motion Induced Blindness - video Hi Tom, Thanks for posting the link, that's a good demo! Safe flying to all. Mark Stanley Japan Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: tkreiner Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 12:08 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Motion Induced Blindness - video Thought the list would benefit from this... and maybe keep all of us a little safer in the skies. Motion Induced Blindness - video ATC, radar controllers and pilots know this but who would have thought about drivers. Unfortunately we know that's not a problem for the people texting while driving. Indirect observation is pretty critical for preserving night vision while driving at night also. This is frightening! It works exactly like it says, and is one major reason people in cars can look right at you (when you're on a motorcycle or bicycle)--- AND NOT SEE YOU. >From a former Naval Aviator. This is a great illustration of what we were >taught about scanning outside the cockpit when I went through training back >in the '50s. We were told to scan the horizon for a short distance, stop >momentarily, and repeat the process. I can remember being told why this was >the most effective technique to locate other aircraft. It was emphasized >(repeatedly) to NOT fix your gaze for more than a couple of seconds on any >single object. The instructors, some of whom were WWII veterans with years of experience, instructed us to continually "keep our eyes moving and our head on a swivel" because this was the best way to survive, not only in combat, but from peacetime hazards (like a midair collision) as well. We basically had to take the advice on faith (until we could experience for ourselves) because the technology to demonstrate it didn't exist at that time. Click on the link below for a demonstration ... http://www.msf-usa.org/motion.html [Target fixation is also a phenomena that plays into this.] -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365447#365447 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Tom, Good demo, thanks for sharing. I forwarded to my son who just started navy flight school in Pensacola, to help fill that bag-o-knowledge! Cheers Steve ~do not archive~ -------- Steve www.mypiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365526#365526 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:18:52 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video Steve, I wish I was just starting Navy flight school! I did it in 1943 and enjoyed every minute of it. Hope he does. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video > > > Tom, > Good demo, thanks for sharing. I forwarded to my son who just started navy > flight school in Pensacola, to help fill that bag-o-knowledge! > Cheers > Steve > > ~do not archive~ > > -------- > Steve > www.mypiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365526#365526 > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? From: helspersew@aol.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:37 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? Dan, if I didn't already have a set of wheels I might investigate this. Is this an old ad? Is the wheel still available? Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: helspersew@aol.com To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:13 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:06:04 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? From: Ryan Mueller Chuck, Looks to be an ad similar to what would be found in the old Aerial Age magazines....1910's-20's era.... Ryan On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:40 AM, C N Campbell wrote: > ** > Dan, if I didn't already have a set of wheels I might investigate this. > Is this an old ad? Is the wheel still available? Chuck > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:24 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video Steve, I started NAVCAD Pensacola in 1954 and it was the best decision I ever made. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: C N Campbell Sent: Fri, February 3, 2012 10:13:36 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video Steve, I wish I was just starting Navy flight school! I did it in 1943 and enjoyed every minute of it. Hope he does. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "chase143(at)aol.com" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:47 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video > > > Tom, > Good demo, thanks for sharing. I forwarded to my son who just started navy > flight school in Pensacola, to help fill that bag-o-knowledge! > Cheers > Steve > > ~do not archive~ > > -------- > Steve > www.mypiet.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365526#365526 > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:41:26 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel LG Lug Thickness 'Axel' wrote- >On the advice of the FAA, I wrapped and welded thin steel finger reinforcements >over the top of the lugs and then down onto the gear legs. That gives several >inches of welded support to the lugs instead of approximately 1.5" of welded >support in the case of the cantilevered arrangement. > > There's a reason I point this out. And there's a reason for builders to take heed. Don't ask me how I know, but let's just say it has to do with having your airplane up on sawhorses with the gear leg attach bracket weldments in pieces in your hand. It's not a very beefy design in the original setup. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/rogueairparts ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wonder why this never caught on? From: "bender" a quick search found this http://theoldmotor.com/?tag=ackerman-wheels looks like they were on motorcycles jeff do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365537#365537 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wonder why this never caught on? From: "RickBright" Looks like the ones on the Indian were used with solid tires, maybe the introduction of pneumatic tires made the design not so popular? Cool idea and look, it amazes me some of the designs of the past that are forgotten. Really look good on the Indian, a polished functional pair would look great on a Piet.... Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365540#365540 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wonder why this never caught on? From: "tools" Probably because of either materials/mfg methods of the time... or advertising. Recall the generally considered more better beta got beat by vhs, and the Allis Chalmers snap coupler fell prey to the (ford or deere?) 3pt hitch. Doesn't mean it wouldn't work really well now. Appears there were all sorts of rube goldberg methods of doing this, but those ackerman's look pretty good. tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365543#365543 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:29 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wonder why this never caught on? I agree Chuck! As you said, if I didn't already have my wire wheels... Do a search for "airless tire"- and you'll find all kinds of links and vi deos. I like the looks of the picture that started this thread, very elegant. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:37:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? From: Hans Van Der Voort Actually some thing like this we will see in the near future. Michellin is testing it as an airless tire, see attached Might have airplane applications, much lighter than a normal tire/wheel com bination Hans -----Original Message----- From: helspersew Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:19 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:49 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? Hey! That was even before MY time. C ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? Chuck, Looks to be an ad similar to what would be found in the old Aerial Age magazines....1910's-20's era.... Ryan On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:40 AM, C N Campbell wrote: Dan, if I didn't already have a set of wheels I might investigate this. Is this an old ad? Is the wheel still available? Chuck ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:16:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? ATT: Douwe Blumberg From: helspersew@aol.com That pic was posted to the Antique Airfield sight. I think Douwe ought to make these. This is right up his alley. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: helspersew Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 9:19 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:12:12 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video Gardiner, I left Whiting Field in 1953 back to inactive duty after instructing primary flight training for 2 years. If you had joined a little earlier we could have met at Whiting instead of at CC#21. Glad we met, anyway. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 11:26 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video > > Steve, I started NAVCAD Pensacola in 1954 and it was the best decision I > ever > made. Gardiner > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: C N Campbell > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, February 3, 2012 10:13:36 AM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video > > > > Steve, I wish I was just starting Navy flight school! I did it in 1943 > and > enjoyed every minute of it. Hope he does. Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "chase143(at)aol.com" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 9:47 AM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video > > >> >> >> Tom, >> Good demo, thanks for sharing. I forwarded to my son who just started >> navy >> flight school in Pensacola, to help fill that bag-o-knowledge! >> Cheers >> Steve >> >> ~do not archive~ >> >> -------- >> Steve >> www.mypiet.com >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365526#365526 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:49:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video From: "jarheadpilot82" Chuck Steve, and Gardiner, I went through Primary at North Field at Whiting in 1981, and Helo Training at South Field in 1982. I came back in 1987 and 1988 as a Primary Instructor in VT-3. A great time of great flying. Some of the best times of my life. I would go back tomorrow if I could. Steve, tell your son to have a great time cause it only comes around once. I still have friends from that time that I keep in touch with over 30 years later. And to the rest of the group, thanks for letting a bunch of old Naval Aviators commandeer the topic and reminisce a little. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365562#365562 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:09:39 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video Amen! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "jarheadpilot82" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 4:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video > > > Chuck Steve, and Gardiner, > > I went through Primary at North Field at Whiting in 1981, and Helo > Training at South Field in 1982. I came back in 1987 and 1988 as a Primary > Instructor in VT-3. A great time of great flying. Some of the best times > of my life. I would go back tomorrow if I could. > > Steve, tell your son to have a great time cause it only comes around once. > I still have friends from that time that I keep in touch with over 30 > years later. > And to the rest of the group, thanks for letting a bunch of old Naval > Aviators commandeer the topic and reminisce a little. > > -------- > Do Not Archive > > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365562#365562 > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:02:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel? From: "FandS_Piet" This might seem like a simple question to some. When you laid out your instrument panel did you purchase the instruments first so you could trace them on to the panel? How did you know what size hole to cut out for each? Thanks, Fred Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365566#365566 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:52 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video Chuck Steve and Terry, Now we are flying real airplanes. We will have to join up sometime and practice our formation flying. Just like riding a bike. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: jarheadpilot82 Sent: Fri, February 3, 2012 4:46:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video Chuck Steve, and Gardiner, I went through Primary at North Field at Whiting in 1981, and Helo Training at South Field in 1982. I came back in 1987 and 1988 as a Primary Instructor in VT-3. A great time of great flying. Some of the best times of my life. I would go back tomorrow if I could. Steve, tell your son to have a great time cause it only comes around once. I still have friends from that time that I keep in touch with over 30 years later. And to the rest of the group, thanks for letting a bunch of old Naval Aviators commandeer the topic and reminisce a little. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365562#365562 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:01 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wonder why this never caught on? http://occhiolungo.wordpress.com/2011/11/06/spring-wheels/ This site includes an ad for airplanes. Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: bender Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wonder why this never caught on? > > a quick search found this > > http://theoldmotor.com/?tag=ackerman-wheels > > looks like they were on motorcycles > > jeff > > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365537#365537 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:00 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel? From: helspersew@aol.com Fred, Instruments are mostly standard sizes, but if I were you, I would wait unti l I had ALL of the instruments in hand before I cut any holes. Chances are you will change your mind about something along the way. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: FandS_Piet Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 5:03 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel? This might seem like a simple question to some. When you laid out your nstrument panel did you purchase the instruments first so you could trace t hem n to the panel? How did you know what size hole to cut out for each? Thanks, Fred ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365566#365566 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:25 PM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel? Fred, There are websites that have free software that you can use to design your instrument panel: http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/ is one example. Some of the instruments have recommended cutout dimensions, but not all. I waited until I had the instruments before cutting the holes. To cut the bigger and non-standard holes I used a fly-cutter bit and it worked well on my drill press. Good luck, John Franklin GN-1 / Corvair Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX -----Original Message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Feb 3, 2012 5:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel? Fred, Instruments are mostly standard sizes, but if I were you, I would wait until I had ALL of the instruments in hand before I cut any holes. Chances are you will change your mind about something along the way. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: FandS_Piet Sent: Fri, Feb 3, 2012 5:03 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel? This might seem like a simple question to some. When you laid out your instrument panel did you purchase the instruments first so you could trace them on to the panel? How did you know what size hole to cut out for each? Thanks, Fred Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365566#365566 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:03 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Instrument Panel? Aircraft instruments are pretty standard in size, really only two sizes. I used automotive oil pressure and temp gauges, and they are a third size. The Pietenpol panel sits pretty low to your line of site, so you really need to sit in the pilot's seat and figure out where to put them so you can see them. I have a mechanical tach, that required a 90 degree adapter to hook up the tach cable. I had to rotate the oil pressure/temp gauges so I would be able to see them properly. I cut all the holes with a special hole saw you mount in a drill press, as my panel is oak plywood. Ben On 2/3/2012 5:59 PM, FandS_Piet wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "FandS_Piet" > > This might seem like a simple question to some. When you laid out your instrument panel did you purchase the instruments first so you could trace them on to the panel? How did you know what size hole to cut out for each? > Thanks, > Fred > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365566#365566 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:21 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? .didn't know they had the wheel back then, Chuck! ;-) Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of C N Campbell Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 10:58 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? Hey! That was even before MY time. C ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan Mueller Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 11:01 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wonder why this never caught on? Chuck, Looks to be an ad similar to what would be found in the old Aerial Age magazines....1910's-20's era.... Ryan On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 9:40 AM, C N Campbell wrote: Dan, if I didn't already have a set of wheels I might investigate this. Is this an old ad? Is the wheel still available? Chuck href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:49 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video Gardiner, I can't wait for that to happen! Love it -- Love it -- Love it. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video > > > Chuck Steve and Terry, Now we are flying real airplanes. We will have to > join up > sometime and practice our formation flying. Just like riding a bike. > Gardiner > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: jarheadpilot82 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Fri, February 3, 2012 4:46:20 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video > > > > Chuck Steve, and Gardiner, > > I went through Primary at North Field at Whiting in 1981, and Helo > Training at > South Field in 1982. I came back in 1987 and 1988 as a Primary Instructor > in > VT-3. A great time of great flying. Some of the best times of my life. I > would > go back tomorrow if I could. > > Steve, tell your son to have a great time cause it only comes around once. > I > still have friends from that time that I keep in touch with over 30 years > later. > And to the rest of the group, thanks for letting a bunch of old Naval > Aviators > commandeer the topic and reminisce a little. > > -------- > Do Not Archive > > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365562#365562 > > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:36 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video From: mike Hardaway Assuming I'll ever have a flyable airplane, I'll have to join up as -4. I haven't flown decent formation since 19'76. (Wings at Beeville in 19'73). Mike Hardaway On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 5:11 PM, C N Campbell wrote: > cncampbell@windstream.net> > > Gardiner, I can't wait for that to happen! Love it -- Love it -- Love it. > Chuck > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "airlion" > To: > Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 6:03 PM > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video > > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Chuck Steve and Terry, Now we are flying real airplanes. We will have to >> join up >> sometime and practice our formation flying. Just like riding a bike. >> Gardiner >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: jarheadpilot82 >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Fri, February 3, 2012 4:46:20 PM >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video >> >> >> >> Chuck Steve, and Gardiner, >> >> I went through Primary at North Field at Whiting in 1981, and Helo >> Training at >> South Field in 1982. I came back in 1987 and 1988 as a Primary Instructor >> in >> VT-3. A great time of great flying. Some of the best times of my life. I >> would >> go back tomorrow if I could. >> >> Steve, tell your son to have a great time cause it only comes around >> once. I >> still have friends from that time that I keep in touch with over 30 years >> later. >> And to the rest of the group, thanks for letting a bunch of old Naval >> Aviators >> commandeer the topic and reminisce a little. >> >> -------- >> Do Not Archive >> >> Semper Fi, >> >> Terry Hand >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=365562#365562 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video From: "jarheadpilot82" We can get "Tools" to fly in the formation as well. I am assuming that we would be flying step up (for better visual for the wingman) like I did flying Helos, not step down like I did instructing in T-34C's in Pensacola. But wouldn't a 4-ship fan break be a real hoot? Just a thought. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365584#365584 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:05:48 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wonder why this never caught on? From: "Baldeagle" Curtiss Jenny with Ackerman wheels (and Olmstead prop): I've heard that they didn't work out so well as airplane wheels since they couldn't take much of a side load. Also used on the Martin Kitten, which is now at NASM (in storage I think, used to be on the tour at Silver Hill though): - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365586#365586 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:56:20 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video From: mike Hardaway Terry, I confess to getting a little queasy thinking about multi-bird formations in helos. I think a fan break in Piets might be a little underwhelming, but we sure sure could have a tight pattern. That evokes images of a flight demonstration team; think "ThunderPiets" or "Wood Angels." Mike Hardaway On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 6:21 PM, jarheadpilot82 wrote: > jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com> > > We can get "Tools" to fly in the formation as well. I am assuming that we > would be flying step up (for better visual for the wingman) like I did > flying Helos, not step down like I did instructing in T-34C's in Pensacola. > > But wouldn't a 4-ship fan break be a real hoot? Just a thought. > > -------- > Do Not Archive > > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365584#365584 > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video From: "jarheadpilot82" Mike, Tight formation, for sure. Yeah, I guess you are right about the fan break. It would be underwhelming in comparison to other fan breaks, but it would still be a lot of fun! Rotor wash was definitely a factor to be avoided in flying help formation, hence, the step up, but any formation is fun formation. I was on a layover in London last summer and went out to see my friend Peter Wright, a Piet owner. I ended up flying a J4Cub Coupe and flew some formation on a Tipsy Trainer. What a blast it was to fly formation again! -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365590#365590 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Motion Induced Blindness - video From: "jarheadpilot82" Mike, Tight formation, for sure. Yeah, I guess you are right about the fan break. It would be underwhelming in comparison to other fan breaks, but it would still be a lot of fun! Rotor wash was definitely a factor to be avoided in flying help formation, hence, the step up, but any formation is fun formation. I was on a layover in London last summer and went out to see my friend Peter Wright, a Piet owner. I ended up flying a J4Cub Coupe and flew some formation on a Tipsy Trainer. What a blast it was to fly formation again! -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365591#365591 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wonder why this never caught on? From: "Billy McCaskill" The Olmstead prop on the JN-4 sure does resemble the recent Ellipse racing props seen on some modern composite (plastic, that is) airplanes. And it was just last summer that I saw some inventor had created a bicycle with steel wheels/tires that very closely resembled the Ackerman wheels. I guess it goes to show that there really are not that many new ideas in aviation. do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365592#365592 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.