---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/06/12: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:50 AM - Re: Pietenpol Aerial for sale (Wildman) 2. 05:00 AM - Aircamper Logo (pineymb) 3. 06:33 AM - Re: Aircamper Logo (Don Emch) 4. 08:15 AM - Re: Where to get pietenpol plans (Lascaster) 5. 08:35 AM - Re: Where to get pietenpol plans (Billy McCaskill) 6. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Where to get pietenpol plans (Perry Rhoads) 7. 10:10 AM - Re:Pietenpol Ariel for sale (Lawrence Williams) 8. 10:23 AM - French Valley EAA Chapter 1279 Pietnepol project update (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 9. 11:07 AM - Re: French Valley EAA Chapter 1279 Pietnepol project update (Billy McCaskill) 10. 12:46 PM - Re: Re:Pietenpol Ariel for sale (BRETT PHILLIPS) 11. 01:50 PM - Re: French Valley EAA Chapter 1279 Pietnepol project update (Bill Church) 12. 02:31 PM - GN-1 PROJECT (Dan Gaston) 13. 03:23 PM - Re: Re:Pietenpol Ariel for sale (helspersew@aol.com) 14. 04:27 PM - Piet on skis (Bill Church) 15. 05:23 PM - Re: Where to get pietenpol plans (Lascaster) 16. 06:17 PM - Wing tip fitting holes (Kringle) 17. 06:22 PM - Re: Re: Steel LG Lug Thickness (Mark Roberts) 18. 06:27 PM - Re: Steel LG Lug Thickness (Mark Roberts) 19. 06:39 PM - Re: Piet on skis (Dan Yocum) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:50:00 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Aerial for sale From: "Wildman" Yes it is the very same one. It is located in Oneida Tenn. Airport SCX That is about 60 miles North of Knoxville. Wade 423-539-0527 -------- Pietenpol Aerial Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365707#365707 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircamper Logo From: "pineymb" I have this Aircamper logo that I downloaded a couple of years ago, and would like to have a decal made up to put on the side of my airplane. Can anyone out there tell me if it is OK to reproduce this logo for my own use or do I need permission from someone or some organization. Thanks in advance -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365710#365710 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pavliga_logo_195_929.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:27 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aircamper Logo From: "Don Emch" That is Frank Pavliga's logo. If you contact me off-list I can provide you with some contact info. WingWright@gmail.com Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365721#365721 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to get pietenpol plans From: "Lascaster" Yeah, I've looked at both of those sites, learned quite a bit from them too. I'm located in central illinois. Would love to find someone with a piet under construction or flying in the area to check it out. Mostly to help me decide if a piet is the right place for me. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365727#365727 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to get pietenpol plans From: "Billy McCaskill" Lascaster, You need to see if you can get in touch with a fellow named Dave Boyd from Champaign, IL. He's a member of EAA Chapter 29, and he's finishing up a Pietenpol. Champaign isn't that far from Mattoon. The only contact info I have for him is his email address: dnboyd1 (at) comcast.net Tell him Billy McCaskill said to look you up. I would also suggest joining your local EAA Chapter as soon as possible. Lots of great resources for those who are building, and those who aspire to build. -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365731#365731 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:53 AM PST US From: "Perry Rhoads" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to get pietenpol plans N12939 is at Litchfield,IL. You're welcome check it out any time. Perry Rhoads do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lascaster" Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:12 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to get pietenpol plans > > Yeah, I've looked at both of those sites, learned quite a bit from them > too. I'm located in central illinois. Would love to find someone with a > piet under construction or flying in the area to check it out. Mostly to > help me decide if a piet is the right place for me. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365727#365727 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:10:45 AM PST US From: Lawrence Williams Subject: Pietenpol-List: re:Pietenpol Ariel for sale Wasn't aware that BHP ever designed anything named "Ariel". Must be a different guy named Pietenpol. Larry(Top Curmudgeon) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:23:30 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: French Valley EAA Chapter 1279 Pietnepol project update Here's an update from that fantastic EAA group from California who brought their uncovered Pietenpol to Brodhead and Oshkosh, 2010! Chapter President Ste ve Williamson on left. [cid:image003.jpg@01CCE4D1.B3B73D50] From: ThePhoebusC@aol.com [mailto:ThePhoebusC@aol.com] Dear Members, Things are happening quickly these days with our Pietenpol project. On New Years Eve we transported the project from the painting facility near the P erris Valley Airport back to our hangar at French Valley. We want to than k Chris Frisella, owner of Bone Head Composites, for generously offering us the use of his commercial paint booth for the two weeks it took to complet e the painting process. The Poly Fiber process required that we apply two coats of fabric sealer on everything; followed by three "cross coats" of si lver UV protector on everything; and, finally, three coats of final color. Each coat required drying time. And, in the case of the silver coats, san ding between coats. Wow, what a chore! But it yielded great results. The following Saturday we began the process of "final assembly." We starte d by attaching the undercarriage and setting the fuselage on the gear. The n we attached the tail feathers and bracing wires. The next Saturday we attached the cabane struts and wing center section, th en the wings and lift struts. We all stood back and enjoyed the fact that the project was finally beginning to look like a finished airplane. On the last Sunday of the month we were able to roll the airplane out to th e terminal building to show it off at our monthly membership meeting. The first weekend of February had us mounting the engine and rigging the ta il. (See photos below) It is time to begin the paperwork in preparation for registration. Since t he airplane has been a group project through our chapter's Builders' Worksh op Program, we wanted to chose an N number that included our EAA chapter nu mber "1279." Unfortunately, the simple number "N1279" was taken. So, it w as necessary to add a suffix. A two-letter suffix like "FV" for French Val ley resulted in too many characters. We had to settle on a single-letter s uffix. There were several available. We simply had to chose one that we t hought would look appropriate when affixed to the airplane. We chose the l etter "Z" for no particular reason and sent in a request to FAA to reserve the number. The next step was to order the Aircraft Registration Kit avail able through EAA Headquarters. We are told by our DAR, John Shablow, that processing the paperwork through FAA takes about three months. In the mean time, there is plenty of work that remains. You know what builders say, "W hen you think your 90 percent finished, you've got about 90 percent to go!" Maybe so, but at the current pace we can at least see the light at the en d of the tunnel. After nearly seven years of construction, it appears that the airplane is indeed going to be finished and flying soon. As always, we welcome visitors. So come on out any Saturday morning and se e our progress. Or lend a hand, if you are so inclined. I promise you, yo u will learn something. And this is, after all, a learning process for all of us. Steve Williamson, Pres. EAA Chapter 1279 French Valley [cid:X.MA1.1328550106@aol.com] With the fuselage on the gear, Dave McPhee and Dave Winsett attach the tail feathers. [cid:X.MA2.1328550106@aol.com] Gear and tail feathers attached. [cid:X.MA3.1328550106@aol.com] Wings attached. [cid:X.MA4.1328550106@aol.com] Engine mounted. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:07:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: French Valley EAA Chapter 1279 Pietnepol project update From: "Billy McCaskill" Beautiful work Steve, and the rest of EAA 1279! Looks great, but it really is a shame that you had to cover up that magnificent display of craftsmanship. I know it's still going to be a few months, but I'm sure we're all looking forward to reports of the first flights. Keep up the great work! do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365745#365745 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:40 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: re:Pietenpol Ariel for sale From: BRETT PHILLIPS I believe that the "Aerial" is a Chad Wille modification of the Air Camper design. Brett Phillips I guess we can archive this one? On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote: > Wasn't aware that BHP ever designed anything named "Ariel". Must be a > different guy named Pietenpol. > > Larry(Top Curmudgeon) > > ** > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: French Valley EAA Chapter 1279 Pietnepol project update From: "Bill Church" Thanks for sharing that update, Mike. It's been interesting to watch this project progress over the years. Doesn't that color scheme look familiar? And to the chapter 1279 crew, congratulations on your accomplishment. The end is in sight. Well done. Bill C. do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365758#365758 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:58 PM PST US From: Dan Gaston Subject: Pietenpol-List: GN-1 PROJECT I am listing this again in case anyone missed it.Parting out my project was the last thing I wanted to do, but I guess I have no choice. I have a Continental A-65-8 with carb, mags,hub,and logs, on engine stand.Asking $3,000.00 I also still have my GN-1, partially built, but ALL the wood necessary to complete it is here, spars, sheeting, all of it. All but a few of the necessary metal fittings (laser cut), aluminum t.e.,jigs, plans. Asking $2,000.00.All wood from A.S.& S. Thank you, Dan Gaston Norwalk, Ohio ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: re:Pietenpol Ariel for sale From: helspersew@aol.com It appears that the Top Curmudgeon himself, has been caught in a very serio us violation. PLEASE everyone, once again, be oh so careful before depressi ng that "send" key. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN And of course, do not archive -----Original Message----- From: BRETT PHILLIPS Sent: Mon, Feb 6, 2012 2:46 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: re:Pietenpol Ariel for sale I believe that the "Aerial" is a Chad Wille modification of the Air Camper design. Brett Phillips I guess we can archive this one? On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Lawrence Williams wrote: Wasn't aware that BHP ever designed anything named "Ariel". Must be a diffe rent guy named Pietenpol. Larry(Top Curmudgeon) -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet on skis From: "Bill Church" Just found these videos on youtube. Of course, they've only been up for a day, so I'm not surprised that noone has mentioned them yet. Take-off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5OaLPnGf2E Landing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q99aEJjzBX0&feature=related Pretty cool, Adrian! Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365769#365769 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:23:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Where to get pietenpol plans From: "Lascaster" WOW, thank you sir for the invite, I would love to drive over to Litchfield soon and take a look. Ill send you a message soon! Also, I appreciate the info on the Piet in Champaign, Ill definitely shoot an email his way and try to get in touch with him as well, This place gets better every day! prhoads61(at)frontiernet. wrote: > N12939 is at Litchfield,IL. You're welcome check it out any time. > Perry Rhoads > > do not archive > > > > --- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365771#365771 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing tip fitting holes From: "Kringle" Can't find dimensions for where to drill the wing tip fitting holes in the spars. I found the wing tip fittings and could just guess but thought I should check first. Thanks. John -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365776#365776 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:21 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel LG Lug Thickness From: Mark Roberts Thanks for the pic! I will make appropriate welds and strap reinforcements. Thank you! Mark On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 2:11 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > I don't have any pictures of the modification. Sorry. Here's a photo of > the location I'm talking about. And yes, I'm talking about wrapping metal > over the top of these lugs and down the gear legs 1.5" or so. Obviously > the metal reinforcement is clearanced between the lugs. > > If you're a good welder you probably wouldn't need to worry about it. I'm > an amateur and I've had well-documented problems with these welds so I took > the FAA man's advice. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365490#365490 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/landing_gear_top_lug_197.gif > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:27:50 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Steel LG Lug Thickness From: Mark Roberts Would that be the same steel thickness as the control horns are made of? Would that work for this? The reason I ask is I am compiling the Steel Order for Aircraft Spruce, and I will need to order appropriate thickness material. Thanks again all! Mark On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > 'Axel' wrote- > > >On the advice of the FAA, I wrapped and welded thin steel finger > reinforcements > >over the top of the lugs and then down onto the gear legs. That gives > several > >inches of welded support to the lugs instead of approximately 1.5" of > welded > >support in the case of the cantilevered arrangement. > > > > There's a reason I point this out. > > And there's a reason for builders to take heed. Don't ask me how I know, > but let's > just say it has to do with having your airplane up on sawhorses with the > gear > leg attach bracket weldments in pieces in your hand. It's not a very > beefy design > in the original setup. > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" > Medford, OR > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/rogueairparts > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:39:18 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet on skis Hey look! I think that's... could it be.... snow? I seem to recall what that stuff looks like. humph. Are those homebuilt skis, Adrian? Dan On 02/06/2012 06:24 PM, Bill Church wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Bill Church" > > Just found these videos on youtube. > Of course, they've only been up for a day, so I'm not surprised that noone has mentioned them yet. > > Take-off: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5OaLPnGf2E > Landing: > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q99aEJjzBX0&feature=related > > Pretty cool, Adrian! > > Bill C. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=365769#365769 > > -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.