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1. 06:29 AM - Re: Fuel Tank and Engine (Kyle85)
2. 08:40 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank and Engine (bradandlinda tds.net)
3. 09:02 AM - model-A starting problem Finding TDC (Ben Charvet)
4. 09:04 AM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank and Engine (Ben Charvet)
5. 02:11 PM - Re: Fuel Tank and Engine (Kyle85)
6. 02:25 PM - Exhaust stud hole (Andrew Eldredge)
7. 02:58 PM - Re: Exhaust stud hole (Steve Ruse)
8. 03:10 PM - Re: Exhaust stud hole (Jerry Dotson)
9. 03:29 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank and Engine (Ryan Mueller)
10. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: Fuel Tank and Engine (Michael Perez)
11. 04:03 PM - Engine(s) Aquired! (Michael Perez)
12. 05:25 PM - Re: Engine(s) Aquired! (Jack Phillips)
13. 05:48 PM - Re: Engine(s) Aquired! (Ryan Mueller)
14. 06:32 PM - Re: Engine(s) Aquired! (Michael Perez)
15. 06:41 PM - Re: Engine(s) Aquired! (Ryan Mueller)
16. 06:56 PM - Re: Engine(s) Acquired! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
17. 08:33 PM - Re: Engine(s) Aquired! (Bill Church)
18. 08:49 PM - Re: Re: Engine(s) Aquired! (Michael Perez)
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank and Engine |
Hey, that looks like a nice design, I see that you have angled the bottom of the
tank, is this to facilitate leg room for the passenger? This is kinda what I
was thinking of doing(when I get that far). I do not think I want to put in a
tank in the wing center section at all. I do think that running the A-65 with
the long fuse and a tank configuration as thus will be a possible configuration
whilst keeping the cabanes vertical? Any words of wisdom on this?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank and Engine |
We put a 12 gal. J-3 tank in the fuselage. Its easier to fill than a wing
tank. We also put a 12" x 12" access door on the top of the center section
that gives lots of storage space between the spars for tie downs and
camping gear etc. The tank location also gave us a small storage area
ahead of the tank for a small battery, oil cans and rags. It's amazing how
much we can get into the center section. Brad Williams NX29NX
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Kyle85 <boschkyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Hey, that looks like a nice design, I see that you have angled the bottom
> of the tank, is this to facilitate leg room for the passenger? This is
> kinda what I was thinking of doing(when I get that far). I do not think I
> want to put in a tank in the wing center section at all. I do think that
> running the A-65 with the long fuse and a tank configuration as thus will
> be a possible configuration whilst keeping the cabanes vertical? Any words
> of wisdom on this?
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366069#366069
>
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| Subject: | model-A starting problem Finding TDC |
The Model A has simple way of finding TDC. There is a special bolt on
the timing cover that has an extension on the end (called the firing pin
in my Model A manual). Remove that bolt, and stick the extension in the
hole. Press in lightly while rotating the crank, and at TDC you will
feel the extension fall into a depression on the timing gear. That is TDC.
Ben Charvet
Continental Pietenpol
Model A closed cab pickup
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jerry Dotson"<jdotson@centurylink.net>
Bill I have been following your thread and now I can't help but add my 2 cents.
I learned a trick from an old junk yard man that sold used engines. Put about 2
tablespoons of oil in each cylinder. On the Piet I would block the tail up level.
Then pull it through several revolutions.Let the tail down and crank it. The oil
seals the cylinder and make it easier to turn. It will blow blue smoke for
a minute or two.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank and Engine |
I have the setup you describe and ended up with my cabanes tilted
back4 inches. Remember, it doesn't matter if the fuel is in front of
the CG, you have to do your W/B with an empty tank. I extended my motor
mounts 1.5 inches forward from the plans, but I guess I could have gone
a bit further. I kinda like the way the tilted cabanes look. Like it
makes it LOOK faster, even if it isn't.
Ben
On 2/11/2012 11:39 AM, bradandlinda tds.net wrote:
> We put a 12 gal. J-3 tank in the fuselage. Its easier to fill than a
> wing tank. We also put a 12" x 12" access door on the top of the
> center section that gives lots of storage space between the spars for
> tie downs and camping gear etc. The tank location also gave us a
> small storage area ahead of the tank for a small battery, oil cans and
> rags. It's amazing how much we can get into the center section. Brad
> Williams NX29NX
>
> On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Kyle85 <boschkyle@hotmail.com
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> Hey, that looks like a nice design, I see that you have angled the
> bottom of the tank, is this to facilitate leg room for the
> passenger? This is kinda what I was thinking of doing(when I get
> that far). I do not think I want to put in a tank in the wing
> center section at all. I do think that running the A-65 with the
> long fuse and a tank configuration as thus will be a possible
> configuration whilst keeping the cabanes vertical? Any words of
> wisdom on this?
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank and Engine |
Yes, you are correct. I guess after working on Blackhawks which has the fuel cells
aft of the CG the book tells you either full bags or empty bags...not in the
middle during W&B. Definitely would want to err on the side of caution when
it comes to developing an aft CG. So I will look into a longer motor mount as
you mentioned. On a side note...I have heard that making the nose too long will
make a slip recovery a bit difficult if not impossible under some circumstances.
I wonder how far forward the engine could be mounted without making a slip
recovery difficult at low/landing speeds.
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| Subject: | Exhaust stud hole |
So there I was, with grand designs of perhaps firing up the a-65 for the
first time in a few years, putting on the exhaust manifold with some new,
not brass studs, when it became clear that one of the studs had the coarse
threads sticking out. Thinking I had a double-coarse stud, I went ahead
and pulled it out of the cylinder head, realizing, to my horror, that it
was not a double-coarse thread, but a fine-coarse thread that had been
installed upside-down, and had taken a bit of the head with it on the way
out. so....
Is there a helicoil-type repair for these a-65 heads? I hope the jug is
not honked up.
Thanks for the help...
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Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust stud hole |
I would guess that a heli coil would work, but they also make two oversize s
tud sizes, available from Spruce. Maybe you could just tap the threads then
use one of the oversize studs if not too much of the old thread is gone? I
f not, I see no reason a helicoil wouldn't work, assuming it will withstand t
he heat.
Gibson Aviation in El Reno, OK cam tell you for sure. They specialize in sm
all continentals, I'd give them a call.
http://www.trade-a-plane.com/company-search?id=53220
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On Feb 11, 2012, at 4:25 PM, Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge@gmail.com> wro
te:
> So there I was, with grand designs of perhaps firing up the a-65 for the f
irst time in a few years, putting on the exhaust manifold with some new, not
brass studs, when it became clear that one of the studs had the coarse thre
ads sticking out. Thinking I had a double-coarse stud, I went ahead and pul
led it out of the cylinder head, realizing, to my horror, that it was not a d
ouble-coarse thread, but a fine-coarse thread that had been installed upside
-down, and had taken a bit of the head with it on the way out. so....
>
> Is there a helicoil-type repair for these a-65 heads? I hope the jug is n
ot honked up.
>
> Thanks for the help...
>
> --
> Andrew Eldredge
> Provo, UT
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Exhaust stud hole |
Andrew a helicoil is a good repair. It has been 40 or so years since I did it.
You can do it with the cylinder on the engine.
You may have to pull the intake elbow by it to get some room. I had a Luscombe
8A and I did all 8 of them.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank and Engine |
Tilting the wing back is the most effective CG correction...
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 4:10 PM, Kyle85 <boschkyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, you are correct. I guess after working on Blackhawks which has the
> fuel cells aft of the CG the book tells you either full bags or empty
> bags...not in the middle during W&B. Definitely would want to err on the
> side of caution when it comes to developing an aft CG. So I will look into
> a longer motor mount as you mentioned. On a side note...I have heard that
> making the nose too long will make a slip recovery a bit difficult if not
> impossible under some circumstances. I wonder how far forward the engine
> could be mounted without making a slip recovery difficult at low/landing
> speeds.
>
> --------
> Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully
> complete the flight.
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366085#366085
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fuel Tank and Engine |
Kyle, myself and a friend of mine fabricated the tank so that it would sit
on the instrument shelf at the rear and on the ash piece on front. (Relocat
ed for this purpose.) A strap over the top will hold it in place.- The wi
dth of the tank was kept "thin" to allow room for the engine mounts, bolts,
nuts and the tools that need to get in there.- This room may also prove
useful for various wires, cables, etc. for the engine controls. Some heavy
rubber pieces will be wedged between the tank sides and the fuselage to kee
p the tank from moving side to side.
The angle is to help with leg room as well as to keep the fuel focused at t
he outlet to the carb. The baffles will be stitch welded to help support an
d strengthen the bottom of the tank and the side walls. It is .032" thick 5
052...it is quite light in weight. That is all the intell. I can provide at
the moment as the tank is yet to be welded and returned. When I receive it
, I will post some "completed" pictures.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Engine(s) Aquired! |
Crew, today has been a momentous day for myself and my plane build. Along w
ith the type of weather I love, (snow) I was able to acquire two A65-8s!-
Mike Cuy, whom I owe a lot, pretty much handled the entire transaction...f
rom making the initial phone calls, setting up the time to meet, going alon
g for tech. support, loading the engines, hauling said engines to my house
and then unloading. All I did was negotiate and pay.
-
Attached are pictures of how I received them. Tomorrow I will start disasse
mbling to see what is what.- One is a complete engine, the other is only
missing the carb. and heat box.
-
I am so very blessed to have come across such a deal local to where I live.
-
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Mike Cuy...again...much appreciated sir!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Engine(s) Aquired! |
So are you building the world's first twin-engined Pietenpol?
Congratulations, Mike. The small Continentals are pretty neat engines, when
you realize they were designed in 1937 and incorporate most of the tecnology
still found in the most modern engines.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Saturday, February 11, 2012 7:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine(s) Aquired!
Crew, today has been a momentous day for myself and my plane build. Along
with the type of weather I love, (snow) I was able to acquire two A65-8s!
Mike Cuy, whom I owe a lot, pretty much handled the entire
transaction...from making the initial phone calls, setting up the time to
meet, going along for tech. support, loading the engines, hauling said
engines to my house and then unloading. All I did was negotiate and pay.
Attached are pictures of how I received them. Tomorrow I will start
disassembling to see what is what. One is a complete engine, the other is
only missing the carb. and heat box.
I am so very blessed to have come across such a deal local to where I live.
Mike Cuy...again...much appreciated sir!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Engine(s) Aquired! |
You're blessed to know Mr. Michael Cuy. Do you have logs and history on
either? Depending, you might consider leaving the best one together and
seeing if she'll run......
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 6:02 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Crew, today has been a momentous day for myself and my plane build. Along
> with the type of weather I love, (snow) I was able to acquire two A65-8s!
> Mike Cuy, whom I owe a lot, pretty much handled the entire
> transaction...from making the initial phone calls, setting up the time to
> meet, going along for tech. support, loading the engines, hauling said
> engines to my house and then unloading. All I did was negotiate and pay.
>
> Attached are pictures of how I received them. Tomorrow I will start
> disassembling to see what is what. One is a complete engine, the other is
> only missing the carb. and heat box.
>
> I am so very blessed to have come across such a deal local to where I
> live.
>
> Mike Cuy...again...much appreciated sir!
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
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| Subject: | Re: Engine(s) Aquired! |
Thanks Jack...HA! Yes, Maybe one on each wing or perhaps I can make some ty
pe of gear unit for one to make it a pusher!
-
Ryan, no logs, no papers, nothing. The gentleman acquired, (bought?) these
engines about three years ago from some type of estate sale. They have been
sitting in his garage/shed ever since.- The tapered crank engine will no
t rotate by hand, the flanged crank engine turns quite easily.- Still, I
will be taking both apart and seeing what I have to work with.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Engine(s) Aquired! |
Fair enough, favor the flanged, let me know when you need Jay Anderson's
number
On Sat, Feb 11, 2012 at 8:32 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Thanks Jack...HA! Yes, Maybe one on each wing or perhaps I can make some
> type of gear unit for one to make it a pusher!
>
> Ryan, no logs, no papers, nothing. The gentleman acquired, (bought?) these
> engines about three years ago from some type of estate sale. They have been
> sitting in his garage/shed ever since. The tapered crank engine will not
> rotate by hand, the flanged crank engine turns quite easily. Still, I will
> be taking both apart and seeing what I have to work with.
>
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
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>
>
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>
>
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| Subject: | Engine(s) Acquired! |
I second the motion Mike, congratulations!!! I was fortunate enough to happen
to hear that this gent had these engines but had no idea if they were for sale
or what condition they were in but in the past week Mike and I talked with the
owner and it turned out they were for sale and we went and got them in a good
old fashioned snow storm this morning. Mike's kids sled worked GREAT in pulling
the engines from his driveway around back to his shop in the snow---otherwise
we would have had to hand-carry each of them (ground too soft to use a dolly) a
good distance. Was glad to help out and everything fell into place nicely.
Told my B-24 WWII Vet friend Bill about the engines and he wants to come see them
once they are dissasembled. (he knows engines like Hills Bros. knows
coffee). I've got my cylinder head wrenches and valve spring compressor in the
car and will drop off at Mike's after church Sunday because I know he's
anxious to see the insides of these gems. So am I. (Make sure you lock your
doors at night Mike!)
Little by little, another Pietenpol is taking shape and being given life!
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine(s) Aquired! |
Cool! Exciting day for you Michael.
Actually, as strange as it sounds, if you did build a twin engined Piet, it would
not be the first. Several years ago, someone did build a Piet with two engines
(A-65s I think). The really strange part was that they were installed with
one sitting above the other. From memory, I recall reading that it had two counter-rotating
propellers (one in front of the other) - one direct driven, and
the other belt driven. A very strange idea, with no good reason that I can think
of to justify all the work necessary to achieve success, let alone all the
extra weight.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Engine(s) Aquired! |
Copy on Jay Anderson Ryan.
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Mike, I will be home all day...stop over anytime!
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Bill...maybe the guy with the twin engines was fixing a tail heavy issue.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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