---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/13/12: 38 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:15 AM - Somewhat OT - Private Airfields (John Franklin) 2. 07:22 AM - Engine 1 Appart (Michael Perez) 3. 07:24 AM - for you guys who smoke 'em (Douwe Blumberg) 4. 07:37 AM - Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields (airlion) 5. 07:38 AM - Re: Engine 1 Appart (John Hofmann) 6. 08:16 AM - Re: Engine 1 Appart (Michael Perez) 7. 08:21 AM - Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed (Michael Perez) 8. 09:07 AM - Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields (John Franklin) 9. 09:26 AM - Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields (jarheadpilot82) 10. 09:31 AM - Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields (John Hofmann) 11. 09:51 AM - Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields (Andrew Eldredge) 12. 09:57 AM - Making Spars (899PM) 13. 09:57 AM - Re: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed (Bill Church) 14. 09:58 AM - Re: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed (Dave Nielsen) 15. 10:03 AM - Re: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed (BRETT PHILLIPS) 16. 10:06 AM - Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields (Hans Van Der Voort) 17. 10:10 AM - Re: for you guys who smoke 'em (Jerry Dotson) 18. 10:33 AM - Re: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed (dmatt@frontiernet.net) 19. 10:36 AM - Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields (airlion) 20. 10:41 AM - Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields (airlion) 21. 10:46 AM - Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields (Jerry Dotson) 22. 11:05 AM - Re: for you guys who smoke 'em (Jack Phillips) 23. 11:29 AM - Re: for you guys who smoke 'em (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 24. 11:36 AM - A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY ROBBERY---smoke oil ripoff (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 25. 12:30 PM - Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! (kevinpurtee) 26. 12:38 PM - Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! (TOM STINEMETZE) 27. 01:27 PM - Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! (tools) 28. 01:28 PM - Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO (jarheadpilot82) 29. 02:10 PM - Re: Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 30. 02:14 PM - Re: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO (Jack Phillips) 31. 03:00 PM - Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! (kevinpurtee) 32. 03:18 PM - Re: Making Spars (Michael Perez) 33. 03:40 PM - Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO (jarheadpilot82) 34. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO (Jack Phillips) 35. 05:01 PM - Re: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO (Dan Yocum) 36. 06:28 PM - Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO (jarheadpilot82) 37. 06:57 PM - Re: Making Spars (Bill Church) 38. 10:16 PM - Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Chris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:08 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields Does anyone on the Piet list have some knowledge or experience with formal airport procedures and how they relate to liability insurance? Is it preferable to have formal procedures, or are they not necessary? I would appreciate any comments from anyone who has had to deal with this issue. John Franklin Prairie Aire 4TA0 Needville, TX ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:59 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine 1 Appart I was able to get the flanged crank engine apart yesterday. It all came apa rt quite nicely. Today I will start on engine 2. - Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:24:03 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: for you guys who smoke 'em I'm rigging up my smoke system and wonder if you smokers out there (and you know who you are.) can tell me how you connected your oil tubes to the exhaust pipes? I'm trying to figure out what size orifice I need, and what type of tubing withstands the heat well as it connects to the hot pipes and just general detail stuff like that. Thanks in advance! Douwe ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:16 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields John ,could you be a little more explicit in your question? Gardiner --- On Mon, 2/13/12, John Franklin wrote: > From: John Franklin > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields > To: "Piet_List" > Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:14 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: John Franklin > > Does anyone on the Piet list have some knowledge or > experience with formal airport procedures and how they > relate to liability insurance? Is it preferable to > have formal procedures, or are they not necessary? I > would appreciate any comments from anyone who has had to > deal with this issue. > > John Franklin > Prairie Aire 4TA0 > Needville, TX > > ________________________________________ > > Email Forum - > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:06 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine 1 Appart Mike, Looking good! Nice to see that you and I have the same barber. do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Feb 13, 2012, at 9:22 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > I was able to get the flanged crank engine apart yesterday. It all came apart quite nicely. Today I will start on engine 2. > > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:58 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine 1 Appart Yeah John, nature does most of it, I do the rest! Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:16 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed Crew, Here are some accessories I have from both engines. What I need now a re the overhaul manuals if available. - NAS3B carb. - Pair of Case magnetos (J.I. Case?) No numbers yet found - Pair of Eisemann AM-4 - Any help, advise, links/source for manuals, etc. greatly appreciated. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:07:51 AM PST US From: John Franklin Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields Hi Gardiner, At our rather small private airfield we are starting to organize and maybe have a fly-in. We have an owner's group and we have insurance but we don't have written airport procedures such as frequency, traffic pattern, taxiing and parking details, etc. The kind of stuff you might see on AirNav.com. We're wondering if we should require anyone who wants to fly into our field to have signed a document that acknowledges that they have read and understand the procedures before they fly in. Obviously this is for liability purposes and I was wondering if anyone on the list has experience with this matter. Snooping around the web I have seen private airfields that have written procedures and some have a website where you can read the procedures and then send an email stating you have read and will follow them. Thanks, John F. -----Original Message----- >From: airlion >Sent: Feb 13, 2012 9:34 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields > > >John ,could you be a little more explicit in your question? Gardiner > >--- On Mon, 2/13/12, John Franklin wrote: > >> From: John Franklin >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields >> To: "Piet_List" >> Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:14 AM >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted >> by: John Franklin >> >> Does anyone on the Piet list have some knowledge or >> experience with formal airport procedures and how they >> relate to liability insurance? Is it preferable to >> have formal procedures, or are they not necessary? I >> would appreciate any comments from anyone who has had to >> deal with this issue. >> >> John Franklin >> Prairie Aire 4TA0 >> Needville, TX >> >> ________________________________________ >> >> Email Forum - >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >> List Contribution Web Site - >> -Matt >> Dralle, List Admin. >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields From: "jarheadpilot82" John, If you have an airfield, and an owner's group, do you not have at least a non-written, gentleman's agreement among the members as to landing patterns and altitudes? If you do, I would recommend that you simply put it on paper and publicize it as part of your information that you send out to potential participants. Of course, I would send it out with the requirement to return acknowledgement that they have read and understand the "course rules". I do not have much experience with small private fields, but the ones that I know of do require, at a minimum, a hold harmless agreement to be signed before they will allow someone to land there. I do think that the good old days of just letting folks just fly in without regard for such matters is long past. You don't have to do it, and probably some forum embers may think it is overkill to do so, but the worst time to need a hold harmless agreement is when you do not have it. 2 last thoughts- 1. Have you contacted the organizers of the Brodhead fly-in to see what suggestions they have for you? 2. Surely at least one of your members is an AOPA member. I would recommend searching the AOPA website. They have a lot of good information on there for download. You might even try calling EAA or searching the EAA website for the same information. Hope that helps and let us all know when it happens. Sounds like fun! -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366207#366207 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:31:26 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields John, I am the treasurer for the Midwest Antique Airplane Association. We put on our GrassRoots flyin every September in Brodhead, WI. I have purchased event insurance through AUA (Norma Joyce) at very reasonable rates for the past several years. It includes our flyin and a our monthly member meetings that are often held at an airport in Wisconsin or Northern Illinois. Norma can let you know what you need. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Feb 13, 2012, at 11:06 AM, John Franklin wrote: > > Hi Gardiner, > > At our rather small private airfield we are starting to organize and maybe have a fly-in. We have an owner's group and we have insurance but we don't have written airport procedures such as frequency, traffic pattern, taxiing and parking details, etc. The kind of stuff you might see on AirNav.com. We're wondering if we should require anyone who wants to fly into our field to have signed a document that acknowledges that they have read and understand the procedures before they fly in. Obviously this is for liability purposes and I was wondering if anyone on the list has experience with this matter. Snooping around the web I have seen private airfields that have written procedures and some have a website where you can read the procedures and then send an email stating you have read and will follow them. > > Thanks, > John F. > > > -----Original Message----- >> From: airlion >> Sent: Feb 13, 2012 9:34 AM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields >> >> >> John ,could you be a little more explicit in your question? Gardiner >> >> --- On Mon, 2/13/12, John Franklin wrote: >> >>> From: John Franklin >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields >>> To: "Piet_List" >>> Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:14 AM >>> --> Pietenpol-List message posted >>> by: John Franklin >>> >>> Does anyone on the Piet list have some knowledge or >>> experience with formal airport procedures and how they >>> relate to liability insurance? Is it preferable to >>> have formal procedures, or are they not necessary? I >>> would appreciate any comments from anyone who has had to >>> deal with this issue. >>> >>> John Franklin >>> Prairie Aire 4TA0 >>> Needville, TX >>> >>> ________________________________________ >>> >>> Email Forum - >>> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - >>> List Contribution Web Site - >>> -Matt >>> Dralle, List Admin. >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________________ > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields From: Andrew Eldredge If you have non-aviators at the field, make sure you have a mechanism for educating them about the runway environment, maybe even nasty-grams for repeat offenders. Warn any potential users about the potential for negligence causing injury, loss or death to them. If you have them waive their rights, encourage them to keep a copy, perhaps with the negligence clause bold and highlighted so that they don't bother hiring an attorney should one of the protected parties do something stupid. http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id 080207X00156&key=1 I think "crunched" would be a more accurate description than "bent" but otherwise it's a good description of what happened. I should be back in the air soon, though. I need to order that helicoil. Andrew On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 10:06 AM, John Franklin wrote: > > Hi Gardiner, > > At our rather small private airfield we are starting to organize and maybe > have a fly-in. We have an owner's group and we have insurance but we don't > have written airport procedures such as frequency, traffic pattern, taxiing > and parking details, etc. The kind of stuff you might see on AirNav.com. > We're wondering if we should require anyone who wants to fly into our > field to have signed a document that acknowledges that they have read and > understand the procedures before they fly in. Obviously this is for > liability purposes and I was wondering if anyone on the list has experience > with this matter. Snooping around the web I have seen private airfields > that have written procedures and some have a website where you can read the > procedures and then send an email stating you have read and will follow > them. > > Thanks, > John F. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: airlion > >Sent: Feb 13, 2012 9:34 AM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields > > > > > >John ,could you be a little more explicit in your question? Gardiner > > > >--- On Mon, 2/13/12, John Franklin wrote: > > > >> From: John Franklin > >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields > >> To: "Piet_List" > >> Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:14 AM > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted > >> by: John Franklin > >> > >> Does anyone on the Piet list have some knowledge or > >> experience with formal airport procedures and how they > >> relate to liability insurance? Is it preferable to > >> have formal procedures, or are they not necessary? I > >> would appreciate any comments from anyone who has had to > >> deal with this issue. > >> > >> John Franklin > >> Prairie Aire 4TA0 > >> Needville, TX > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> > >> Email Forum - > >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > >> List Contribution Web Site - > >> -Matt > >> Dralle, List Admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Making Spars From: "899PM" Thought I would pass this along as it may help someone down the road. Nearly 15 years ago, I purchased (9) 4/4 x 6 x 16ft spar grade Sitka Spruce boards from McCormick Lumber. Three of the nine were adjacent cuts from the same tree! Grain is nearly perfectly vertical and does not runout more than in the full 16. Needless to say, I was a little worried about scrapping one of these beauties! After planing the spars to thickness this last weekend, I needed to establish a straight edge to then rip them to width. Three of the four had about 5/8 of cup along their 16 length. As you may already know, wrangling 16 boards for edging (jointing) is not a fun jobespecially having only a 4 jointer table. Being one to always try to minimize outside services, the following is how I overcame this issue. Starting with the boards laying on a flat 16 surface, I ran a tight string (20# fishing line) full length of the boards and raised up on blocks of wood at each end. I transferred the line established by the tight string to the face of the board using a sharp pencil and a square(just touching the string) in a dozen places along the length of the board. I then used a 5 straight edge clamped to the board at the proper setback distance to guide my router (with a straight roughing bit) to clean up a 4ft section at a time. Moving down in (3) more setups, I was able to route a perfectly straight face 16 long. Taking my time, I finished all (4) spars in about two hours. Final test was putting two boards edge to edge.not even 1/16 gap. -------- PAPA MIKE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366211#366211 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:57:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed From: "Bill Church" Michael, This site has a lot of very useful manuals. Maybe not exactly what you're looking for, but probably helpful overall. http://www.aeronca.com/manuals/ Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366212#366212 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:23 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed From: Dave Nielsen Mike, Google each one and you will get a lot of info back. I rebuilt my Cas e Mags and the Stromburg carb. If you want to get rid of the case mags I'd be interested. Oh!!!! by the way look up antique mags on Youtube there is a wealt of info there. I should tell you that finding parts for the Case ma gs is close to impossible. Dave Dave Nielsen sentuchows@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2012 11:21 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed Crew, Here are some accessories I have from both engines. What I need now a re the overhaul manuals if available. NAS3B carb. Pair of Case magnetos (J.I. Case?) No numbers yet found Pair of Eisemann AM-4 Any help, advise, links/source for manuals, etc. greatly appreciated. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:03:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed From: BRETT PHILLIPS The J.I. Case (tractor company) magneto line became part of Slick long ago, and repair parts have not been available for many years. The Eisemanns are going to be a little easier to find parts for, but not much better. Brett Phillips Do Not Archive On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Crew, Here are some accessories I have from both engines. What I need now > are the overhaul manuals if available. > > NAS3B carb. > > Pair of Case magnetos (J.I. Case?) No numbers yet found > > Pair of Eisemann AM-4 > > Any help, advise, links/source for manuals, etc. greatly appreciated. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:06:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields From: Hans Van Der Voort John, Based on the airport ID, the 4 digits indicate a private airstrip, 3 digits a public airstrip Private airstrips by FAA standard is: land at your own risk Public airstrip by FAA standard the airport owner is liable. Since you have a 4 digit code you could operate without liability to the ow ners group. But if you start a Fly-in and you "invite" people fly-in to your airport an d you publish a pattern procedure. You do set your self up for a liability. The way around it is; to publish not a fly-in but announce a annual BBQ or Pancake break fast. Avoid the word Fly-in. Anyone that shows up "flying in" is doing so at their own risk. My 2 cents... Hans NX15KV Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: John Franklin Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2012 11:08 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields Hi Gardiner, At our rather small private airfield we are starting to organize and maybe have fly-in. We have an owner's group and we have insurance but we don't have ritten airport procedures such as frequency, traffic pattern, taxiing and arking details, etc. The kind of stuff you might see on AirNav.com. We're ondering if we should require anyone who wants to fly into our field to hav e igned a document that acknowledges that they have read and understand the rocedures before they fly in. Obviously this is for liability purposes and I as wondering if anyone on the list has experience with this matter. Snoopi ng round the web I have seen private airfields that have written procedures an d ome have a website where you can read the procedures and then send an email tating you have read and will follow them. Thanks, ohn F. ----Original Message----- From: airlion Sent: Feb 13, 2012 9:34 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields John ,could you be a little more explicit in your question? Gardiner --- On Mon, 2/13/12, John Franklin wrote: > From: John Franklin > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields > To: "Piet_List" > Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:14 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: John Franklin > > Does anyone on the Piet list have some knowledge or > experience with formal airport procedures and how they > relate to liability insurance? Is it preferable to > have formal procedures, or are they not necessary? I > would appreciate any comments from anyone who has had to > deal with this issue. > > John Franklin > Prairie Aire 4TA0 > Needville, TX > > ________________________________________ > > Email Forum - > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > _______________________________________ -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: for you guys who smoke 'em From: "Jerry Dotson" A piece of stainless tubing at the exhaust will conduct less heat and Viton tubing can stand up to 400F. Viton has good oil resistance too. I have no idea about orifice size. I would start at a #75 drill and keep drilling larger until it made good smoke at the pressure you are going to operate at. I like Mike Cuys sprayer tank with built in pump. Some come with a brass nozzle that might work as an adjustable orifice in the exhaust. I am just throwing stuff out there. I have never made smoke and don't blow no smoke! do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366215#366215 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed From: dmatt@frontiernet.net One nice thing about Case mags is that there are no ADs on them. Dave Dave Nielsen wrote: Mike, Google each one and you will get a lot of info back. I rebuilt my Case Mags and the Stromburg carb. If you want to get rid of the case mags I'd be interested. Oh!!!! by the way look up antique mags on Youtube there is a wealt of info there. I should tell you that finding parts for the Case mags is close to impossible. Dave Dave Nielsen sentuchows@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Mon, Feb 13, 2012 11:21 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Accessories, Manuals Needed Crew, Here are some accessories I have from both engines. What I need now are the overhaul manuals if available. NAS3B carb. Pair of Case magnetos (J.I. Case?) No numbers yet found Pair of Eisemann AM-4 Any help, advise, links/source for manuals, etc. greatly appreciated. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -========================-= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -========================-= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================= ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:32 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields Hi John,Thanks for replying. Last year at sun n fun my plane was destroyed due to a tornado and sun n fun is trying to get a settlement for the towing an cleanup for my 16sq ft area where my plane was tieddown. My feeling is that they should have insurance for that. It was an act of God. Gardiner --- On Mon, 2/13/12, John Franklin wrote: > From: John Franklin > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 12:06 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: John Franklin > > Hi Gardiner, > > At our rather small private airfield we are starting to > organize and maybe have a fly-in. We have an owner's > group and we have insurance but we don't have written > airport procedures such as frequency, traffic pattern, > taxiing and parking details, etc. The kind of stuff > you might see on AirNav.com. We're wondering if we > should require anyone who wants to fly into our field to > have signed a document that acknowledges that they have read > and understand the procedures before they fly in. > Obviously this is for liability purposes and I was wondering > if anyone on the list has experience with this matter. > Snooping around the web I have seen private airfields that > have written procedures and some have a website where you > can read the procedures and then send an email stating you > have read and will follow them. > > Thanks, > John F. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: airlion > >Sent: Feb 13, 2012 9:34 AM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private > Airfields > > > > > >John ,could you be a little more explicit in your > question? Gardiner > > > >--- On Mon, 2/13/12, John Franklin > wrote: > > > >> From: John Franklin > >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private > Airfields > >> To: "Piet_List" > >> Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:14 AM > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted > >> by: John Franklin > >> > >> Does anyone on the Piet list have some knowledge > or > >> experience with formal airport procedures and how > they > >> relate to liability insurance? Is it preferable > to > >> have formal procedures, or are they not > necessary? I > >> would appreciate any comments from anyone who has > had to > >> deal with this issue. > >> > >> John Franklin > >> Prairie Aire 4TA0 > >> Needville, TX > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> > >> Email Forum - > >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > >> List Contribution Web Site - > >> -Matt > >> Dralle, List Admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > Email Forum - > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:41:03 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields Where is your airfield? Also you might want to contact Tripple Tree Aerodrome in South Carolina on how they handle it. That is a great place to fly in. Cheers, Gardiner --- On Mon, 2/13/12, John Franklin wrote: > From: John Franklin > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 12:06 PM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: John Franklin > > Hi Gardiner, > > At our rather small private airfield we are starting to > organize and maybe have a fly-in. We have an owner's > group and we have insurance but we don't have written > airport procedures such as frequency, traffic pattern, > taxiing and parking details, etc. The kind of stuff > you might see on AirNav.com. We're wondering if we > should require anyone who wants to fly into our field to > have signed a document that acknowledges that they have read > and understand the procedures before they fly in. > Obviously this is for liability purposes and I was wondering > if anyone on the list has experience with this matter. > Snooping around the web I have seen private airfields that > have written procedures and some have a website where you > can read the procedures and then send an email stating you > have read and will follow them. > > Thanks, > John F. > > > -----Original Message----- > >From: airlion > >Sent: Feb 13, 2012 9:34 AM > >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private > Airfields > > > > > >John ,could you be a little more explicit in your > question? Gardiner > > > >--- On Mon, 2/13/12, John Franklin > wrote: > > > >> From: John Franklin > >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Somewhat OT - Private > Airfields > >> To: "Piet_List" > >> Date: Monday, February 13, 2012, 10:14 AM > >> --> Pietenpol-List message posted > >> by: John Franklin > >> > >> Does anyone on the Piet list have some knowledge > or > >> experience with formal airport procedures and how > they > >> relate to liability insurance? Is it preferable > to > >> have formal procedures, or are they not > necessary? I > >> would appreciate any comments from anyone who has > had to > >> deal with this issue. > >> > >> John Franklin > >> Prairie Aire 4TA0 > >> Needville, TX > >> > >> ________________________________________ > >> > >> Email Forum - > >> - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > >> List Contribution Web Site - > >> -Matt > >> Dralle, List Admin. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________ > > > Email Forum - > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Somewhat OT - Private Airfields From: "Jerry Dotson" Now is the time for me to make a shameless plug for www.theRAF.org(The Recreational Aviation Foundation) This is a group working to take liability issues away from private air strips. Most states have a Recreational Use Statute but fail to include non commercial aviation. The following states have in their Statutes aviation-specific language: Idaho, Maine, Massachusetts, Montana, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Utah, Arizona, Pennsylvania, and Kansas being the latest addition in 2011. Most of this thanks to the efforts of volunteers of The Recreational Aviation Foundation. The Florida legislature is in session now and my local state senator Greg Evers is working to get "recreational noncommercial aircraft operations " added to the Florida statute. I am actively working trying to get this done. I urge everyone that has an interest in flying into private airstrips to become involved. I became involved about a year ago when a pilot with 2 passengers "dropped in" on my 1300 foot strip in a Piper Arrow. I had a Rolaid attack! do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366220#366220 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:35 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: for you guys who smoke 'em Douwe, It's been over a year since I did mine, and remembering that far back is asking a lot of my brain, but here's what I did as best I remember I made a steel bushing that I threaded for a 1/8" NPT pipe thread. I welded that to the exhaust manifold just below the exhaust port for the number 1 cylinder (my exhaust manifold is plain carbon steel, not stainless). Once the bushing was securely welded in place, I drilled a # 40 hole through the wall of the exhaust stack, centered on the hole in the bushing. Then I just used a steel AN816-2 flared tube nipple to screw into the pipe thread bushing on the exhaust stack. I flared a piece of 1/8" stainless steel tubing and attached it to the nipple with an AN818-2 steel coupling nut. I ran the stainless tubing back from the engine towards the firewall for about 12" than transitioned to a piece of rubber tubing that went to my pump. For the pump I used a cheap 12 volt windshield washer pump that I bought at an auto parts store. I figured if a # 40 hole wasn't big enough, I could always drill it larger, but it seems to do just fine. I would like to try Canopus 13 or Corvus Oil sometime, like the Big Dogs (including Mike Cuy) use, but at over $500 a barrel, I can't afford it. I just go to Automatic Transmission shops and beg for old used transmission fluid. They are happy to give it away and it works well, but doesn't have the staying power of Canopus Oil. If I ever go into the skywriting business, I'll have to buy the more expensive premium stuff. Here's a picture Bill Church took last summer at Brodhead: And here's a short video my wife shot when I made my first flight test with the new smoke system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DTmKApOPyw Have fun! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: for you guys who smoke 'em I'm rigging up my smoke system and wonder if you smokers out there (and you know who you are.) can tell me how you connected your oil tubes to the exhaust pipes? I'm trying to figure out what size orifice I need, and what type of tubing withstands the heat well as it connects to the hot pipes and just general detail stuff like that. Thanks in advance! Douwe ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:58 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: for you guys who smoke 'em Douwe, A long while ago I wrote this up and Chris Tracy was kind enough to post it on his Westcoast Piet web page. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/ Jack's idea or mine work equally as well, the only differences being that I have stainless (Aeronca Champ from Aircraft Spruce) pipes and used a stainless Swaglok fitting as described below. I ran my metal tubing thru the firewall (with a rubber grommet for chafe pr otection)then connected it to the poly tubing using a section of rubber hos e and hose clamps. Some oil distributor places will sell you 5 gallon pails of the smoke oil b ut you have to make lots of phone calls to find them in your area using Google. What you're looking for is basically mineral oil. Some call it cement mold release oil, some use it in bakery equipment and dentist drills. Mike C. [cid:image001.png@01CCEA5B.DE9A4F00] From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 2:05 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: for you guys who smoke 'em Douwe, It's been over a year since I did mine, and remembering that far back is as king a lot of my brain, but here's what I did as best I remember I made a steel bushing that I threaded for a 1/8" NPT pipe thread. I welde d that to the exhaust manifold just below the exhaust port for the number 1 cylinder (my exhaust manifold is plain carbon steel, not stainless). Once the bushing was securely welded in place, I drilled a # 40 hole through th e wall of the exhaust stack, centered on the hole in the bushing. Then I j ust used a steel AN816-2 flared tube nipple to screw into the pipe thread b ushing on the exhaust stack. I flared a piece of 1/8" stainless steel tubi ng and attached it to the nipple with an AN818-2 steel coupling nut. I ran the stainless tubing back from the engine towards the firewall for about 1 2" than transitioned to a piece of rubber tubing that went to my pump. For the pump I used a cheap 12 volt windshield washer pump that I bought at an auto parts store. I figured if a # 40 hole wasn't big enough, I could always drill it larger, but it seems to do just fine. I would like to try Canopus 13 or Corvus Oi l sometime, like the Big Dogs (including Mike Cuy) use, but at over $500 a barrel, I can't afford it. I just go to Automatic Transmission shops and b eg for old used transmission fluid. They are happy to give it away and it works well, but doesn't have the staying power of Canopus Oil. If I ever g o into the skywriting business, I'll have to buy the more expensive premium stuff. Here's a picture Bill Church took last summer at Brodhead: [cid:image002.jpg@01CCEA5B.DE9A4F00] And here's a short video my wife shot when I made my first flight test with the new smoke system: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9DTmKApOPyw Have fun! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ________________________________ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 10:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: for you guys who smoke 'em I'm rigging up my smoke system and wonder if you smokers out there (and you know who you are...) can tell me how you connected your oil tubes to the e xhaust pipes? I'm trying to figure out what size orifice I need, and what type of tubing withstands the heat well as it connects to the hot pipes and just general d etail stuff like that. Thanks in advance! Douwe http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 11:36:40 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY ROBBERY---smoke oil ripoff Wow...well it didn't take long to find out where NOT to buy smoke oil. If you want to pay TRIPLE the going rate for smoke oil just buy it from ACS & Specialty. They want $17 8.50 for a five gallon quantity of it. Go to ANY of the other distributors for this stuff if you want to pay a rea sonable price for it---and even then it is a little expensive but what oil or gasoline isn't these days. If you want it for $86 instead of $178.....go here: http://www.mdwaviatio n.com/v2/ I have a feeling you could find mineral oil at less cost but do your homewo rk and don't buy it from Jim Irwin and Aircraft Spruce. Aircraft Spruce has lots of good products at fair prices but you really hav e to watch them...they are really good at exercising capitalism and my hat is off to them for that but buyer be ve ry aware. Mike C. [cid:image003.jpg@01CCEA5C.BB4AE400] ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:30:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! From: "kevinpurtee" Couple of weeks ago we were looking for something different. I found Dublin, TX on $100 hamburger - home of the world's oldest Dr. Pepper bottling plant. One fuel stop each way for me, none for the 152 or the Kitfox. Phone at the airport brought out the local police and she took us to the diner/museum/bottling plant and back. Great fun. Freakin' cold. Here are a couple of pics. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366227#366227 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/douwe5_201.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/douwe4_156.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/douwe3_245.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/douwe2_154.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/douwe_1_174.jpg ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:45 PM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:27:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! From: "tools" Here's my story from a few months ago (links at end of post). Otherwise all I've got for ya is that it's worth it! I waited FAR too long and spent way more time than it would have taken me to build one, building and fixing OTHER things... big mistake. I'm fixing that now. I'm still flying every day I can. While I'll not get much sympathy from most of the crowd, it's darn cold up there when the ambient temp is in the high 30's to low 40's, but it's STILL worth it, even for a thin blooded southern type like myself. Flew around the last two days for about 30 minutes each day. Yesterday was especially cool, I found a birthday gift from a buddy 15 years ago, a 50's vintage German leather flying helmet. I threw that on, my Navy leather flying jacket (who knew it'd ever be used for what it was made for!), pulled her out of the hangar, pulled it through a half dozen times, threw the mags on, propped her and jumped in. Never turned on a radio, intercom, transponder, nothing... just went flying. Turns out, keeping her around 60 mph is the best when it's that cold out. Just the funnest thing ever. And it seems Piet types seem to enjoy their birds more than most. Pretty sure my plane has been out of the hangar more than any other plane based in 9A5. When I need a little pick me up, I go to youtube and watch Piet flying videos. There's quite a few really good ones. If they don't get you all motivated, you're probably building the wrong plane! Tools http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=84807&highlight http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=84904&highlight Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366230#366230 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:28:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO From: "jarheadpilot82" I did a quick Google Search for Mineral Oil and came up with $15.00 per gallon plus shipping- I notice they are a tack and feed business, so you "smokers' out there might try calling the local tack and feed store. You may get lucky. Hope it helps. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366231#366231 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:10:07 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! Axel, I am in Austin doing Annual Training. Would love tocome out and inspect your plane ;-} Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinpurtee Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! > > Couple of weeks ago we were looking for something different. I found Dublin, TX on $100 hamburger - home of the world's oldest Dr. Pepper > bottling plant. One fuel stop each way for me, none for the 152 > or the Kitfox. Phone at the airport brought out the local police > and she took us to the diner/museum/bottling plant and back. > Great fun. Freakin' cold. Here are a couple of pics. > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/Georgetown, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366227#366227 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/douwe5_201.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/douwe4_156.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/douwe3_245.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/douwe2_154.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/douwe_1_174.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 02:14:23 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO $15 a gallon is more than Canopus 13 costs, except you have to buy it in 55 gallon drums, which cost about $585. No thanks, I'll keep using used transmission fluid, which is free. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 4:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO I did a quick Google Search for Mineral Oil and came up with $15.00 per gallon plus shipping- I notice they are a tack and feed business, so you "smokers' out there might try calling the local tack and feed store. You may get lucky. Hope it helps. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366231#366231 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:00:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I need encouragement...Fying stories and pictures! From: "kevinpurtee" You're welcome anytime, Sir. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366235#366235 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 03:18:04 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Making Spars Nice job Mike. I am with you keeping "outside" services to a minimum. Every little thing you do yourself may save some money, but it also gains you unknown knowledge. (Good or bad!) Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO From: "jarheadpilot82" Jack, I just put it up there in comparison of Aircraft Spruce's price that averages $35.70 a gallon, as opposed to the $15.00 per gallon. Just a comparison. I do not know what Canopus 13 is, but I did not think the $15.00 was too far off from the $10.63 per gallon that the Canopus 13 averages, and you don't have to buy a 55 gallon drum of it. Does transmission fluid work? I never knew that before. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366238#366238 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:35 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO It's all I've ever used. Chcuk Gantzer uses Baby Oil in his, but I think per gallon that costs even more than Canopus 13. Several years ago at Brodhead, he bought every last bottle of Baby Oil in southern Wisconsin. They had to import babies from Illinois to squeeze to make more oil. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jarheadpilot82 Sent: Monday, February 13, 2012 6:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO Jack, I just put it up there in comparison of Aircraft Spruce's price that averages $35.70 a gallon, as opposed to the $15.00 per gallon. Just a comparison. I do not know what Canopus 13 is, but I did not think the $15.00 was too far off from the $10.63 per gallon that the Canopus 13 averages, and you don't have to buy a 55 gallon drum of it. Does transmission fluid work? I never knew that before. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366238#366238 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:11 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO Yeah, Jack, does transmission fluid *reaaally* work? I can't believe what you say, your picture, or the most excellent video. It must be photoshopped! Jarhead, pull your head out of the jar - you're cutting off the oxygen supply to your noggin. :-\ Do not archive -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Feb 13, 2012, at 5:39 PM, "jarheadpilot82" wrote: > > Jack, > > I just put it up there in comparison of Aircraft Spruce's price that averages $35.70 a gallon, as opposed to the $15.00 per gallon. Just a comparison. I do not know what Canopus 13 is, but I did not think the $15.00 was too far off from the $10.63 per gallon that the Canopus 13 averages, and you don't have to buy a 55 gallon drum of it. > > Does transmission fluid work? I never knew that before. > > -------- > Do Not Archive > > Semper Fi, > > Terry Hand > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366238#366238 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:20 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: A perfect example of Aircraft Spruce & Specialty HIGHWAY RO From: "jarheadpilot82" Jack may have got me on that one, but I just trust people, I guess. One of my many faults. [Shocked] -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366243#366243 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making Spars From: "Bill Church" "Unknown knowledge" Interesting term, Michael. I didn't know that I knew about unknown knowledge, but now I know. No? do not archive BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366245#366245 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 10:16:55 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the rear and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting, through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bolts? Other suggestions? 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