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1. 03:51 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Jack)
2. 04:25 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:51 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Gene Rambo)
4. 04:51 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 05:17 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 05:18 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
7. 05:31 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Gboothe5)
8. 06:08 AM - magneto parts (Ralph Hurlbert)
9. 06:24 AM - thanks guys! (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 06:31 AM - Re: Re: Making Spars (Michael Perez)
11. 06:43 AM - Re: thanks guys! (Jack Phillips)
12. 06:57 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (C N Campbell)
13. 07:15 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (C N Campbell)
14. 09:26 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Bill Church)
15. 10:50 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Jim Boyer)
16. 10:57 AM - Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? (Michael Perez)
17. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Making Spars (Matthew)
18. 11:12 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (TOM STINEMETZE)
19. 11:24 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (TOM STINEMETZE)
20. 11:38 AM - Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? (Ryan Mueller)
21. 12:41 PM - Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? (AircamperN11MS)
22. 12:55 PM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Hans Van Der Voort)
23. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? (Jack@textors.com)
24. 05:02 PM - Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? (Ben Charvet)
25. 05:42 PM - PDF of the Continental Overhaul Manual (Don Emch)
26. 05:46 PM - motorcycle wheels (skellytown flyer)
27. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Making Spars (Clif Dawson)
28. 08:22 PM - Re: motorcycle wheels (Gboothe5)
29. 08:43 PM - Re: PDF of the Continental Overhaul Manual (Steve Ruse)
30. 11:32 PM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Chris)
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Subject: | Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
Chris I used shims. When making the brackets pay attention to clearances, I
remade a few times! See here http://textors.com/DSCN4190_800x600.jpg
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the rear
and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting,
through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the
fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the
best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so
the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bolts?
Other suggestions?
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Subject: | Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
I made wedge shaped washers for mine.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the rear
and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting,
through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the
fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the
best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so
the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bolts?
Other suggestions?
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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Subject: | Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
I don't think it really matters=2C the bolts are in shear=2C there is no re
al reason that they can't be angled. Having said that=2C the amount it tak
es to make the fuselage sides parallel is only the thickness of the plywood
doubler. I trimmed the plywood=2C so that the sides were parallel=2C in t
he area under the fittings. BYW=2C my plans show rivets there=2C not bolts
. I used rivets=2C and with rivets it really does not matter if the sides
are parallel. I chose to trim the plywood because with the fittings on an
angle=2C it moved the bolt holes for the stabilizer aft a bit and made them
not line up with the holes in the fitting on the vertical fin. Gene do not
archive > From: catdesigns@att.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
> Date: Mon=2C 13 Feb 2012 22:16:24 -0800
>
>
> When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the r
ear
> and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting=2C
> through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the
> fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out t
he
> best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims s
o
> the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bol
ts?
> Other suggestions?
>
> Chris
> Sacramento=2C Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
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Subject: | Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
Should have used some sort of shims on mine, but sadly, did not. One of the
small regrets and costs of "get-done-itis". A lesson for all who are still
building. The parts that you rush will always be there to stare you in the
face when you are done. It looks a little "off" but It'll never give way I
'm sure.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:25 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
et>
I made wedge shaped washers for mine.
Jack Phillips
X899JP
mith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris
ent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:16 AM
o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
ubject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the rea
r
nd beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting,
hrough the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the
uselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the
est way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so
he fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bolts?
ther suggestions?
Chris
acramento, Ca
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Subject: | Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
Gene,
If you are going to be a purist and use the rivets, then don't you think yo
u should have left the plywood as-is and not "trim?" I don't see any notati
on on my plans that say "trim plywood to make fittings parallel". That's go
ing to stick-out like a sore thumb when you get to Brodhead, and create a l
ot of whispering.. ....Just say'n.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:51 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
I don't think it really matters, the bolts are in shear, there is no real r
eason that they can't be angled. Having said that, the amount it takes to
make the fuselage sides parallel is only the thickness of the plywood doubl
er. I trimmed the plywood, so that the sides were parallel, in the area un
der the fittings. BYW, my plans show rivets there, not bolts. I used rive
ts, and with rivets it really does not matter if the sides are parallel. I
chose to trim the plywood because with the fittings on an angle, it moved
the bolt holes for the stabilizer aft a bit and made them not line up with
the holes in the fitting on the vertical fin.
Gene
do not archive
> From: catdesigns@att.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:16:24 -0800
>
>
> When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the r
ear
> and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting,
> through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the
> fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out th
e
> best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims s
o
> the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bol
ts?
> Other suggestions?
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
Gene,
Not many seem to be using rivets as per the plans.
I am considering using them on the tail fittings to save weight. Also the rivets
would allow the fittings to be installed before covering giving a cleaner finish
without bolt heads and nuts showing.
I did wonder though if the rivets might become loose after time due to wood shrinkage
or different expansion/contraction rates between wood and rivets.
Have any of those flying for a while ever had to tighten the bolts fixing the brackets
to the tail surfaces?
Gene, can you advise the type of rivet you used.
Thanks.
JohnW
Perth Australia
----- "Gene Rambo" <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think it really matters, the bolts are in shear, there is no real reason
that they can't be angled. Having said that, the amount it takes to make the
fuselage sides parallel is only the thickness of the plywood doubler. I trimmed
the plywood, so that the sides were parallel, in the area under the fittings.
BYW, my plans show rivets there, not bolts. I used rivets, and with rivets
it really does not matter if the sides are parallel. I chose to trim the plywood
because with the fittings on an angle, it moved the bolt holes for the stabilizer
aft a bit and made them not line up with the holes in the fitting on
the vertical fin.
>
> Gene
>
> do not archive
>
> > From: catdesigns@att.net
> > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
> > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:16:24 -0800
> >
> >
> > When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the rear
> > and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting,
> > through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the
> > fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the
> > best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so
> > the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bolts?
> > Other suggestions?
> >
> > Chris
> > Sacramento, Ca
> > Westcoastpiet.com
> >
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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Subject: | Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
I hope Gene leaves it that way..might be the only way to tell Gene's from
Dan's.zzzziiiinnnngggg! ;-)
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:17 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
Gene,
If you are going to be a purist and use the rivets, then don't you think you
should have left the plywood as-is and not "trim?" I don't see any notation
on my plans that say "trim plywood to make fittings parallel". That's going
to stick-out like a sore thumb when you get to Brodhead, and create a lot of
whispering.. ....Just say'n.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:51 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
I don't think it really matters, the bolts are in shear, there is no real
reason that they can't be angled. Having said that, the amount it takes to
make the fuselage sides parallel is only the thickness of the plywood
doubler. I trimmed the plywood, so that the sides were parallel, in the
area under the fittings. BYW, my plans show rivets there, not bolts. I
used rivets, and with rivets it really does not matter if the sides are
parallel. I chose to trim the plywood because with the fittings on an
angle, it moved the bolt holes for the stabilizer aft a bit and made them
not line up with the holes in the fitting on the vertical fin.
Gene
do not archive
> From: catdesigns@att.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:16:24 -0800
>
>
> When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the
rear
> and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting,
> through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the
> fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the
> best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so
> the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the
bolts?
> Other suggestions?
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
>
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A couple years ago I found Eisemann mag parts from the California company
with the full page ad in Trade-a-plane. All parts seemed to be available.
Try an antique tractor magazine for a magneto repair man and you can
probably find points, condenser, etc. for the Case magnetos. Case mags have
a really hot spark for tractor use and I've been told the airplane mags are
the same thing.
Ralph in SD
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Thanks for the flying stories and photos, they ARE encouraging.
Also thanks for the smoke system details. Cleary been overthinking this
one.
Exhaust all done, fuel tank plumbed, moving to finishing up the wiring,
linkages, firewall grommets, control cable brackets/supports. you know. all
that FUN stuff!!!
Just wanna fire her up soon to make sure I got everything hooked up right
and get that final blast of enthusiasm going.
I AM SO READY TO
FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Making Spars |
Bill, Unknown Knowledge is like Unknown Unknowns. (It's a NASA thing)
But judging from your last post, you are getting the idea.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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The question is.will you have it at Brodhead this summer? We've all waited
a loooong time to see this one.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:24 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: thanks guys!
Thanks for the flying stories and photos, they ARE encouraging.
Also thanks for the smoke system details. Cleary been overthinking this
one.
Exhaust all done, fuel tank plumbed, moving to finishing up the wiring,
linkages, firewall grommets, control cable brackets/supports. you know. all
that FUN stuff!!!
Just wanna fire her up soon to make sure I got everything hooked up right
and get that final blast of enthusiasm going.
I AM SO READY TO
FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
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Subject: | Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
Chris, I also used shims. I made some shims out of spruce and when I got
them to where the surfaces were parallel and glued the shims to the fuselage
sides. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
>
> When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the
> rear
> and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting,
> through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the
> fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out
> the
> best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so
> the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the
> bolts?
> Other suggestions?
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
#2 Chris, I also noticed on the plans in his book that Bernie calls for
rivets rather than bolts on the top side of the stabilizer where the
stabilizer is fastened to the vertical fin. I wondered why until I put
everything together and found that the nuts on the bolts interfere with the
vertical bolts going down through the fitting to the fitting on the lower
side of the stabilizer. When I put the plane together for the inspection
I'll use hardware store bolts and thin nuts and for the final time after
covering, I'm going to use 3/16-inch rivets. C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:16 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment
>
> When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the
> rear
> and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting,
> through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the
> fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out
> the
> best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so
> the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the
> bolts?
> Other suggestions?
>
> Chris
> Sacramento, Ca
> Westcoastpiet.com
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
I know it's in the plans, and I know it's been done successfully in the past, and
I know that's the way BHP did it... but using rivets in wood just doesn't give
me a warm, fuzzy feeling.
Bill C.
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366283#366283
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Subject: | Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment |
HI Chris,
I just made the L brackets a little longer so bolts from above would not interfere
with the bolts below. I also had the bottom brackets sit flat against the
fuselage side; then used my drill guide (Clif Dawson design I think) to drill
hole through fuselage from left to right side (hole is very slightly oval) and
just put the bolt through. You have to look really close to see it doesn't sit
flat all around.
>From all the responses I have read here I think I did it the easiest.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Subject: | Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? |
Attached are some pictures of what I found yesterday while disassembling en
gine #2. This engine had no carb. nor heat box and has a tapered shaft with
hub. The hub was just laid in place...the nut was hand tight and the entir
e assembly lifted right off.- There were no spark plugs installed and the
spark plug holes had red plastic caps installed.
The pictures show that it appears the engine had a partial overhaul done to
it and then never ran since.- There was minimal oil in the cylinders...I
did not clean anything prior to taking the pictures. The exhaust ports loo
k clean and the valves, seats and guides seem to have been replaced. (?)-
More dis-assembly and inspection to come.-
Thoughts?
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Making Spars |
Isn't there a window pane of knowledge a philosopher came up with?
What we know
What we know we dont know and
What we don't know we don't know
Or maybe I'm just working to hard today...
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Bill, Unknown Knowledge is like Unknown Unknowns. (It's a NASA thing)
>
> But judging from your last post, you are getting the idea.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? |
Based on the black in the case and the other pics, looks like just a top,
if that (and if done properly)...
Ryan
On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Attached are some pictures of what I found yesterday while disassembling
> engine #2. <snip>
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Subject: | Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? |
Hi Mike,
Looks like someone did a field top overhaul on it. I can see that the cylinders
are the old style with the bronze spark plug inserts and it also appears to
have possible cracks that run from the spark plugs to the exhaust seats. You
can see there is one from each spark plug hole. They could be serviceable. It
would be worth having them inspected by a shop. Something you could do yourself
is to put some spark plugs in the cylinders and pour some kerosene in them.
If the cracks are big or the valves are not seated good you will see the leaks.
Keep in mind that these little Cont engines will just keep running and
running. Not everything needs to be brand new in them. There are serviceable
limits in the overhaul manual. As long as your parts meet those, consider them
good.
BTW, My cylinders are also .015 over.
Regards,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? |
Scott, what is the reason for the notches on the piston tops?
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 14, 2012, at 2:40 PM, "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org> wrote:
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> Looks like someone did a field top overhaul on it. I can see that the cylinders
are the old style with the bronze spark plug inserts and it also appears to
have possible cracks that run from the spark plugs to the exhaust seats. You
can see there is one from each spark plug hole. They could be serviceable.
It would be worth having them inspected by a shop. Something you could do yourself
is to put some spark plugs in the cylinders and pour some kerosene in them.
If the cracks are big or the valves are not seated good you will see the
leaks. Keep in mind that these little Cont engines will just keep running and
running. Not everything needs to be brand new in them. There are serviceable
limits in the overhaul manual. As long as your parts meet those, consider
them good.
>
>
> BTW, My cylinders are also .015 over.
>
> Regards,
>
> --------
> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366303#366303
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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Subject: | Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? |
Somebody has done some work for you. When I rebuilt my A-65 I was
dealing with parts from more than engine too. I bought a set of
micrometers from e-bay and used that to find what was serviceable or
what was the best part to have rebuilt. The attached link from the
Fly-Baby site has a wealth of information about small continentals:
http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm
You really need to get or borrow a copy of the manual for the small
continentals to get your specs. After you get all your parts cleaned,
have some of your airport bum friends come over and help you sort out
what you have. Just from what I've seen you have a much better start
than I did.
Ben Charvet
115 hrs on an A-65 I built myself
On 2/14/2012 1:56 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> Attached are some pictures of what I found yesterday while
> disassembling engine #2. This engine had no carb. nor heat box and has
> a tapered shaft with hub. The hub was just laid in place...the nut was
> hand tight and the entire assembly lifted right off. There were no
> spark plugs installed and the spark plug holes had red plastic caps
> installed.
>
> The pictures show that it appears the engine had a partial overhaul
> done to it and then never ran since. There was minimal oil in the
> cylinders...I did not clean anything prior to taking the pictures. The
> exhaust ports look clean and the valves, seats and guides seem to have
> been replaced. (?) More dis-assembly and inspection to come.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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Subject: | PDF of the Continental Overhaul Manual |
Mike... your engines look really great. You really can't tell much though until
you have mic'd everything. Here is a PDF of the Overhaul Manual in case you
don't have it yet...
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Subject: | motorcycle wheels |
Are there any spoke motorcycle wheels that have large enough hubs to be machined
to fit on 1 1/4" diameter axles? I'm fed up with trying to get the ancient old
6" wheel brakes I have to work- they're the old expander tube shoe and drum
style and I think need more volume than the master cylinders I have can produce.
and if I change anything at this point I'd much rather go with spoke wheels.
yet I want to keep the Cub gear legs I have.and not alter them if possible.I
have no problem with machining hubs for brass bushings, and mechanical drum
brakes would be OK too if I found a set that could be altered to fit. Raymond
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Subject: | Re: Making Spars |
Come on now! YOU know that I know that you know
that I know that you know that..................
Clif
Do not archive
What we know
What we know we dont know and
What we don't know we don't know.
Mathew
Or maybe I'm just working to hard today...
Bill, Unknown Knowledge is like Unknown Unknowns. (It's a NASA
thing)
Michael Perez
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Subject: | motorcycle wheels |
Raymond,
I used Harley Sportster wheels from www.paughco.com, that had been modified
to fit 1" bearings...that's the largest I could find. I stepped down the 1
1/2" axle with 2 steps, the final one being 1" solid, about 18" long. Good
luck....
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown
flyer
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:46 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle wheels
<skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
Are there any spoke motorcycle wheels that have large enough hubs to be
machined to fit on 1 1/4" diameter axles? I'm fed up with trying to get the
ancient old 6" wheel brakes I have to work- they're the old expander tube
shoe and drum style and I think need more volume than the master cylinders I
have can produce. and if I change anything at this point I'd much rather go
with spoke wheels. yet I want to keep the Cub gear legs I have.and not alter
them if possible.I have no problem with machining hubs for brass bushings,
and mechanical drum brakes would be OK too if I found a set that could be
altered to fit. Raymond
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Subject: | Re: PDF of the Continental Overhaul Manual |
For anyone who needs it, below is a link to my collection of small
Continental engine documents. Quite a bit of information here, I apologize
for the file formatting being a little difficult:
http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Continental%20A-65/
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
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From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:42 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: PDF of the Continental Overhaul Manual
>
> Mike... your engines look really great. You really can't tell much though
> until you have mic'd everything. Here is a PDF of the Overhaul Manual in
> case you don't have it yet...
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366323#366323
>
>
> Attachments:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_65_overhaul_manual_193.pdf
>
>
>
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Thank you all for the suggestions
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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