---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/14/12: 30 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Jack) 2. 04:25 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:51 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Gene Rambo) 4. 04:51 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 05:17 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (helspersew@aol.com) 6. 05:18 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) 7. 05:31 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Gboothe5) 8. 06:08 AM - magneto parts (Ralph Hurlbert) 9. 06:24 AM - thanks guys! (Douwe Blumberg) 10. 06:31 AM - Re: Re: Making Spars (Michael Perez) 11. 06:43 AM - Re: thanks guys! (Jack Phillips) 12. 06:57 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (C N Campbell) 13. 07:15 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (C N Campbell) 14. 09:26 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Bill Church) 15. 10:50 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Jim Boyer) 16. 10:57 AM - Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? (Michael Perez) 17. 11:10 AM - Re: Re: Making Spars (Matthew) 18. 11:12 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (TOM STINEMETZE) 19. 11:24 AM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (TOM STINEMETZE) 20. 11:38 AM - Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? (Ryan Mueller) 21. 12:41 PM - Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? (AircamperN11MS) 22. 12:55 PM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Hans Van Der Voort) 23. 01:36 PM - Re: Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? (Jack@textors.com) 24. 05:02 PM - Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? (Ben Charvet) 25. 05:42 PM - PDF of the Continental Overhaul Manual (Don Emch) 26. 05:46 PM - motorcycle wheels (skellytown flyer) 27. 08:07 PM - Re: Re: Making Spars (Clif Dawson) 28. 08:22 PM - Re: motorcycle wheels (Gboothe5) 29. 08:43 PM - Re: PDF of the Continental Overhaul Manual (Steve Ruse) 30. 11:32 PM - Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment (Chris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:54 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment Chris I used shims. When making the brackets pay attention to clearances, I remade a few times! See here http://textors.com/DSCN4190_800x600.jpg Jack Textor DSM NX1929T -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 12:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the rear and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting, through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bolts? Other suggestions? Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:25:13 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment I made wedge shaped washers for mine. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the rear and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting, through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bolts? Other suggestions? Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:25 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment I don't think it really matters=2C the bolts are in shear=2C there is no re al reason that they can't be angled. Having said that=2C the amount it tak es to make the fuselage sides parallel is only the thickness of the plywood doubler. I trimmed the plywood=2C so that the sides were parallel=2C in t he area under the fittings. BYW=2C my plans show rivets there=2C not bolts . I used rivets=2C and with rivets it really does not matter if the sides are parallel. I chose to trim the plywood because with the fittings on an angle=2C it moved the bolt holes for the stabilizer aft a bit and made them not line up with the holes in the fitting on the vertical fin. Gene do not archive > From: catdesigns@att.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment > Date: Mon=2C 13 Feb 2012 22:16:24 -0800 > > > When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the r ear > and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting=2C > through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the > fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out t he > best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims s o > the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bol ts? > Other suggestions? > > Chris > Sacramento=2C Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:51:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment From: helspersew@aol.com Should have used some sort of shims on mine, but sadly, did not. One of the small regrets and costs of "get-done-itis". A lesson for all who are still building. The parts that you rush will always be there to stare you in the face when you are done. It looks a little "off" but It'll never give way I 'm sure. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:25 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment et> I made wedge shaped washers for mine. Jack Phillips X899JP mith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris ent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:16 AM o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ubject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the rea r nd beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting, hrough the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the uselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the est way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so he fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bolts? ther suggestions? Chris acramento, Ca estcoastpiet.com -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:38 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment From: helspersew@aol.com Gene, If you are going to be a purist and use the rivets, then don't you think yo u should have left the plywood as-is and not "trim?" I don't see any notati on on my plans that say "trim plywood to make fittings parallel". That's go ing to stick-out like a sore thumb when you get to Brodhead, and create a l ot of whispering.. ....Just say'n. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:51 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment I don't think it really matters, the bolts are in shear, there is no real r eason that they can't be angled. Having said that, the amount it takes to make the fuselage sides parallel is only the thickness of the plywood doubl er. I trimmed the plywood, so that the sides were parallel, in the area un der the fittings. BYW, my plans show rivets there, not bolts. I used rive ts, and with rivets it really does not matter if the sides are parallel. I chose to trim the plywood because with the fittings on an angle, it moved the bolt holes for the stabilizer aft a bit and made them not line up with the holes in the fitting on the vertical fin. Gene do not archive > From: catdesigns@att.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:16:24 -0800 > > > When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the r ear > and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting, > through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the > fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out th e > best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims s o > the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bol ts? > Other suggestions? > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > >======================= > > > -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:19 AM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment Gene, Not many seem to be using rivets as per the plans. I am considering using them on the tail fittings to save weight. Also the rivets would allow the fittings to be installed before covering giving a cleaner finish without bolt heads and nuts showing. I did wonder though if the rivets might become loose after time due to wood shrinkage or different expansion/contraction rates between wood and rivets. Have any of those flying for a while ever had to tighten the bolts fixing the brackets to the tail surfaces? Gene, can you advise the type of rivet you used. Thanks. JohnW Perth Australia ----- "Gene Rambo" wrote: > > I don't think it really matters, the bolts are in shear, there is no real reason that they can't be angled. Having said that, the amount it takes to make the fuselage sides parallel is only the thickness of the plywood doubler. I trimmed the plywood, so that the sides were parallel, in the area under the fittings. BYW, my plans show rivets there, not bolts. I used rivets, and with rivets it really does not matter if the sides are parallel. I chose to trim the plywood because with the fittings on an angle, it moved the bolt holes for the stabilizer aft a bit and made them not line up with the holes in the fitting on the vertical fin. > > Gene > > do not archive > > > From: catdesigns@att.net > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment > > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:16:24 -0800 > > > > > > When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the rear > > and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting, > > through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the > > fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the > > best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so > > the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bolts? > > Other suggestions? > > > > Chris > > Sacramento, Ca > > Westcoastpiet.com > > > > > > > >======================== > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:42 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment I hope Gene leaves it that way..might be the only way to tell Gene's from Dan's.zzzziiiinnnngggg! ;-) Gary from Cool Do not archive! From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment Gene, If you are going to be a purist and use the rivets, then don't you think you should have left the plywood as-is and not "trim?" I don't see any notation on my plans that say "trim plywood to make fittings parallel". That's going to stick-out like a sore thumb when you get to Brodhead, and create a lot of whispering.. ....Just say'n. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Tue, Feb 14, 2012 6:51 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment I don't think it really matters, the bolts are in shear, there is no real reason that they can't be angled. Having said that, the amount it takes to make the fuselage sides parallel is only the thickness of the plywood doubler. I trimmed the plywood, so that the sides were parallel, in the area under the fittings. BYW, my plans show rivets there, not bolts. I used rivets, and with rivets it really does not matter if the sides are parallel. I chose to trim the plywood because with the fittings on an angle, it moved the bolt holes for the stabilizer aft a bit and made them not line up with the holes in the fitting on the vertical fin. Gene do not archive > From: catdesigns@att.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2012 22:16:24 -0800 > > > When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the rear > and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting, > through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the > fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out the > best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so > the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the bolts? > Other suggestions? > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > >======================= > > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:08:21 AM PST US From: "Ralph Hurlbert" Subject: Pietenpol-List: magneto parts A couple years ago I found Eisemann mag parts from the California company with the full page ad in Trade-a-plane. All parts seemed to be available. Try an antique tractor magazine for a magneto repair man and you can probably find points, condenser, etc. for the Case magnetos. Case mags have a really hot spark for tractor use and I've been told the airplane mags are the same thing. Ralph in SD ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:05 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: thanks guys! Thanks for the flying stories and photos, they ARE encouraging. Also thanks for the smoke system details. Cleary been overthinking this one. Exhaust all done, fuel tank plumbed, moving to finishing up the wiring, linkages, firewall grommets, control cable brackets/supports. you know. all that FUN stuff!!! Just wanna fire her up soon to make sure I got everything hooked up right and get that final blast of enthusiasm going. I AM SO READY TO FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:47 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making Spars Bill, Unknown Knowledge is like Unknown Unknowns. (It's a NASA thing) But judging from your last post, you are getting the idea. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:43:59 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: thanks guys! The question is.will you have it at Brodhead this summer? We've all waited a loooong time to see this one. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 9:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: thanks guys! Thanks for the flying stories and photos, they ARE encouraging. Also thanks for the smoke system details. Cleary been overthinking this one. Exhaust all done, fuel tank plumbed, moving to finishing up the wiring, linkages, firewall grommets, control cable brackets/supports. you know. all that FUN stuff!!! Just wanna fire her up soon to make sure I got everything hooked up right and get that final blast of enthusiasm going. I AM SO READY TO FLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Douwe ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:14 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment Chris, I also used shims. I made some shims out of spruce and when I got them to where the surfaces were parallel and glued the shims to the fuselage sides. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment > > When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the > rear > and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting, > through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the > fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out > the > best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so > the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the > bolts? > Other suggestions? > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:15:12 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment #2 Chris, I also noticed on the plans in his book that Bernie calls for rivets rather than bolts on the top side of the stabilizer where the stabilizer is fastened to the vertical fin. I wondered why until I put everything together and found that the nuts on the bolts interfere with the vertical bolts going down through the fitting to the fitting on the lower side of the stabilizer. When I put the plane together for the inspection I'll use hardware store bolts and thin nuts and for the final time after covering, I'm going to use 3/16-inch rivets. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 1:16 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment > > When installing the horizontal stabilizer there are two fittings on the > rear > and beneath the stabilizer. Two bolts are to pass through one fitting, > through the fuselage and through the second fitting. Problem is the > fuselage sides are not parallel in this area. I'm trying to figure out > the > best way to run the bolts through the two fittings. Do I add wood shims so > the fittings lay flat or do I make wedge shaped washers for under the > bolts? > Other suggestions? > > Chris > Sacramento, Ca > Westcoastpiet.com > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:10 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment From: "Bill Church" I know it's in the plans, and I know it's been done successfully in the past, and I know that's the way BHP did it... but using rivets in wood just doesn't give me a warm, fuzzy feeling. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366283#366283 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:50:08 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment HI Chris, I just made the L brackets a little longer so bolts from above would not interfere with the bolts below. I also had the bottom brackets sit flat against the fuselage side; then used my drill guide (Clif Dawson design I think) to drill hole through fuselage from left to right side (hole is very slightly oval) and just put the bolt through. You have to look really close to see it doesn't sit flat all around. >From all the responses I have read here I think I did it the easiest. Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:21 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? Attached are some pictures of what I found yesterday while disassembling en gine #2. This engine had no carb. nor heat box and has a tapered shaft with hub. The hub was just laid in place...the nut was hand tight and the entir e assembly lifted right off.- There were no spark plugs installed and the spark plug holes had red plastic caps installed. The pictures show that it appears the engine had a partial overhaul done to it and then never ran since.- There was minimal oil in the cylinders...I did not clean anything prior to taking the pictures. The exhaust ports loo k clean and the valves, seats and guides seem to have been replaced. (?)- More dis-assembly and inspection to come.- Thoughts? Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:10:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making Spars From: Matthew Isn't there a window pane of knowledge a philosopher came up with? What we know What we know we dont know and What we don't know we don't know Or maybe I'm just working to hard today... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 14, 2012, at 9:31 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Bill, Unknown Knowledge is like Unknown Unknowns. (It's a NASA thing) > > But judging from your last post, you are getting the idea. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:30 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:24:03 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:17 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? From: Ryan Mueller Based on the black in the case and the other pics, looks like just a top, if that (and if done properly)... Ryan On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 12:56 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > Attached are some pictures of what I found yesterday while disassembling > engine #2. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Mike, Looks like someone did a field top overhaul on it. I can see that the cylinders are the old style with the bronze spark plug inserts and it also appears to have possible cracks that run from the spark plugs to the exhaust seats. You can see there is one from each spark plug hole. They could be serviceable. It would be worth having them inspected by a shop. Something you could do yourself is to put some spark plugs in the cylinders and pour some kerosene in them. If the cracks are big or the valves are not seated good you will see the leaks. Keep in mind that these little Cont engines will just keep running and running. Not everything needs to be brand new in them. There are serviceable limits in the overhaul manual. As long as your parts meet those, consider them good. BTW, My cylinders are also .015 over. Regards, -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366303#366303 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 12:55:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment From: Hans Van Der Voort 3D=__Part17396FBE.1__=-- ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 01:36:27 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? From: "Jack@textors.com" Scott, what is the reason for the notches on the piston tops? Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Feb 14, 2012, at 2:40 PM, "AircamperN11MS" wrote: > > Hi Mike, > > Looks like someone did a field top overhaul on it. I can see that the cylinders are the old style with the bronze spark plug inserts and it also appears to have possible cracks that run from the spark plugs to the exhaust seats. You can see there is one from each spark plug hole. They could be serviceable. It would be worth having them inspected by a shop. Something you could do yourself is to put some spark plugs in the cylinders and pour some kerosene in them. If the cracks are big or the valves are not seated good you will see the leaks. Keep in mind that these little Cont engines will just keep running and running. Not everything needs to be brand new in them. There are serviceable limits in the overhaul manual. As long as your parts meet those, consider them good. > > > BTW, My cylinders are also .015 over. > > Regards, > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366303#366303 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 05:02:49 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine 2 Pictures Thoughts? Somebody has done some work for you. When I rebuilt my A-65 I was dealing with parts from more than engine too. I bought a set of micrometers from e-bay and used that to find what was serviceable or what was the best part to have rebuilt. The attached link from the Fly-Baby site has a wealth of information about small continentals: http://www.bowersflybaby.com/tech/fenton.htm You really need to get or borrow a copy of the manual for the small continentals to get your specs. After you get all your parts cleaned, have some of your airport bum friends come over and help you sort out what you have. Just from what I've seen you have a much better start than I did. Ben Charvet 115 hrs on an A-65 I built myself On 2/14/2012 1:56 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > Attached are some pictures of what I found yesterday while > disassembling engine #2. This engine had no carb. nor heat box and has > a tapered shaft with hub. The hub was just laid in place...the nut was > hand tight and the entire assembly lifted right off. There were no > spark plugs installed and the spark plug holes had red plastic caps > installed. > > The pictures show that it appears the engine had a partial overhaul > done to it and then never ran since. There was minimal oil in the > cylinders...I did not clean anything prior to taking the pictures. The > exhaust ports look clean and the valves, seats and guides seem to have > been replaced. (?) More dis-assembly and inspection to come. > > Thoughts? > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:42:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: PDF of the Continental Overhaul Manual From: "Don Emch" Mike... your engines look really great. You really can't tell much though until you have mic'd everything. Here is a PDF of the Overhaul Manual in case you don't have it yet... Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366323#366323 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_65_overhaul_manual_193.pdf ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle wheels From: "skellytown flyer" Are there any spoke motorcycle wheels that have large enough hubs to be machined to fit on 1 1/4" diameter axles? I'm fed up with trying to get the ancient old 6" wheel brakes I have to work- they're the old expander tube shoe and drum style and I think need more volume than the master cylinders I have can produce. and if I change anything at this point I'd much rather go with spoke wheels. yet I want to keep the Cub gear legs I have.and not alter them if possible.I have no problem with machining hubs for brass bushings, and mechanical drum brakes would be OK too if I found a set that could be altered to fit. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366324#366324 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:05 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Making Spars Come on now! YOU know that I know that you know that I know that you know that.................. Clif Do not archive What we know What we know we dont know and What we don't know we don't know. Mathew Or maybe I'm just working to hard today... Bill, Unknown Knowledge is like Unknown Unknowns. (It's a NASA thing) Michael Perez ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:22:19 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle wheels Raymond, I used Harley Sportster wheels from www.paughco.com, that had been modified to fit 1" bearings...that's the largest I could find. I stepped down the 1 1/2" axle with 2 steps, the final one being 1" solid, about 18" long. Good luck.... Gary from Cool -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of skellytown flyer Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: motorcycle wheels Are there any spoke motorcycle wheels that have large enough hubs to be machined to fit on 1 1/4" diameter axles? I'm fed up with trying to get the ancient old 6" wheel brakes I have to work- they're the old expander tube shoe and drum style and I think need more volume than the master cylinders I have can produce. and if I change anything at this point I'd much rather go with spoke wheels. yet I want to keep the Cub gear legs I have.and not alter them if possible.I have no problem with machining hubs for brass bushings, and mechanical drum brakes would be OK too if I found a set that could be altered to fit. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366324#366324 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 08:43:07 PM PST US From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: PDF of the Continental Overhaul Manual For anyone who needs it, below is a link to my collection of small Continental engine documents. Quite a bit of information here, I apologize for the file formatting being a little difficult: http://www.wotelectronics.com/airplane/Continental%20A-65/ Steve Ruse Norman, OK -------------------------------------------------- From: "Don Emch" Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2012 7:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: PDF of the Continental Overhaul Manual > > Mike... your engines look really great. You really can't tell much though > until you have mic'd everything. Here is a PDF of the Overhaul Manual in > case you don't have it yet... > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366323#366323 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_65_overhaul_manual_193.pdf > > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:17 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Horizontal StabilizerAttachment Thank you all for the suggestions Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.