---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/17/12: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:37 AM - The previous Pietenpol club (Piet2015) 2. 04:52 AM - Re: The previous Pietenpol club (Dan Yocum) 3. 05:30 AM - Re: Spar problem (Jerry Dotson) 4. 05:53 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/16/12 (Timothy Willis) 5. 06:17 AM - Re: Spar problem (Gene Rambo) 6. 07:11 AM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (AircamperN11MS) 7. 08:24 AM - Re: Spar problem (bender) 8. 09:09 AM - Turnbuckle length (Kringle) 9. 09:36 AM - Re: Turnbuckle length (Gboothe5) 10. 09:54 AM - Re: The previous Pietenpol club (Bill Church) 11. 10:27 AM - Re: The previous Pietenpol club (jarheadpilot82) 12. 11:49 AM - Re: The previous Pietenpol club (Bill Church) 13. 01:08 PM - Re: The previous Pietenpol club (jarheadpilot82) 14. 01:30 PM - Re: Re: Spar problem (Gary Boothe) 15. 02:42 PM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/16/12 (bender) 16. 03:29 PM - Re: Spar problem (l.morlock) 17. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: The previous Pietenpol club (Michael Perez) 18. 04:32 PM - Re: The previous Pietenpol club (jarheadpilot82) 19. 04:55 PM - Re: The previous Pietenpol club (Bill Church) 20. 05:19 PM - Re: Re: The previous Pietenpol club (Greg Cardinal) 21. 05:50 PM - Re: The previous Pietenpol club (jarheadpilot82) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: The previous Pietenpol club From: "Piet2015" What was the name of the Pietenpol club that existed prior to the formation of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association? Did it have a newsletter and are they something worth searching for and acquiring? Thanks CL Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366454#366454 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:48 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The previous Pietenpol club BPA - Buckeye Pietenpol Association. Doc Mosher probably has copies of their newsletters which he'd probably be willing to reproduce for a nominal fee. Dan -- Dan Yocum yocum137@gmail.com "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." On Feb 17, 2012, at 2:37 AM, "Piet2015" wrote: > > What was the name of the Pietenpol club that existed prior to the formation of the Brodhead Pietenpol Association? Did it have a newsletter and are they something worth searching for and acquiring? > > Thanks CL > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366454#366454 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar problem From: "Jerry Dotson" Jeff I would use cover technique to pull some twist out. My wing is one piece too but it turned out great. I have modeled for years and have straightened several twisted wings by twisting it the opposite way too far then cover and slowly shrink, let go and see where it goes. You may need to shrink more on the top side than the bottom. Like Don said the wing is pretty flexible. Mine got stiffer after the cover but is still flexible. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366461#366461 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:53:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/16/12 From: Timothy Willis Don't cut it. Period. IMO adding a ply scab would introduce stress points on each side of the scab, but that may not be critical. You have two good solutions suggested. If the wing is not all assembled, wetting and stressing may well work. If your wing is all assembled, Don's suggestion of adding washout would help. Do you know the status of your other wing; e.g., is it built yet? Maybe you have the same droop in it, too. Worse would be a loft on its tip-- a warp in the opposite direction-- permanent bank built in? Tim in central TX > ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ > > > Time: 07:03:03 PM PST US > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar problem > From: "bender" > > > Hey guys... > I'm kinda freaking out a little.. > i built a one piece wing.. with solid 3/4 inch spars.. > > my right rear spar outboard of the strut attach point has warped a bit.. > it moved down at the tip about a half an inch..it looks even more exaggerated at > the trailing edge. > i can lift the wing tip and make it all line up.. > i assume they all have a bit of flexibility outside of the strut attach point > > I'm thinking i need to cut the spar and splice in a new section that is straight > .. > my other thought was maybe way off.. 43-13 allows a plywood doubler to be attached > to reinforce a crack in a spar.. > i wondered if i could jack up the wing tip and add a piece of 1/8 inch plywood > to the rear of the spar to keep it in place.. from just inboard of the fitting > to the tip... once the glue dried the ply should stabilize the spar and keep > it from moving down again.. > > i'm afraid splicing in a new section may be the only hope.. but i wonder if air > loads move the wing much.. > > jeff :( > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366442#366442 > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:17:24 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar problem you have not said what kind of wood you used and the source?? Gene from Bro dhead South=2C all wondering . . . . do not archive > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar problem > From: jfaith@solairusaviation.com > Date: Thu=2C 16 Feb 2012 19:01:56 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > om> > > Hey guys... > I'm kinda freaking out a little.. > i built a one piece wing.. with solid 3/4 inch spars.. > > my right rear spar outboard of the strut attach point has warped a bit.. > it moved down at the tip about a half an inch..it looks even more exagger ated at the trailing edge. > i can lift the wing tip and make it all line up.. > i assume they all have a bit of flexibility outside of the strut attach p oint > > I'm thinking i need to cut the spar and splice in a new section that is s traight .. > my other thought was maybe way off.. 43-13 allows a plywood doubler to be attached to reinforce a crack in a spar.. > i wondered if i could jack up the wing tip and add a piece of 1/8 inch pl ywood to the rear of the spar to keep it in place.. from just inboard of th e fitting to the tip... once the glue dried the ply should stabilize the sp ar and keep it from moving down again.. > > i'm afraid splicing in a new section may be the only hope.. but i wonder if air loads move the wing much.. > > jeff :( > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366442#366442 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage From: "AircamperN11MS" My wheels were made and sold by Hayes for airplanes back in the 1920's. Hayes had about 3 different sizes. They are drop center wheels not the clincher type. You will notice that there are 3 rows of spokes. The outside row gives them the strength for the side loads induced by aircraft. I have 300 x16" motorcycle tires on them. The spokes are straight laced meaning that they don't cross like a motorcycle wheel does. I am told that because of this I cannot put disc brakes on it. Others have said the hub would have the ability to spin out if there was a braking load applied to them. I'm not sure about that and have not tried it. A friend of ours had them hanging on the wall above his couch in his living room. He said we could have them if we would use them. This was back in 1970. These are the only wheels that have been on this plane. They have worked out very well for us. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366475#366475 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:24:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar problem From: "bender" ahh yes... its Douglas fir.. the one that moved has the least tight rings.. but it has about 10 per inch..vertical grain..the others have twice that many I purchased the boards locally from a place called Koetter lumber. i wondered about wetting the spar and holding it in place.. thanks for the help jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366482#366482 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:09:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle length From: "Kringle" I am about to trammel my wings. Does it make a difference if I use the short or long turnbuckles? I understand 4" full length for short and 8" full length for long. If I don't need a lot of adjustment I should prefer the short to save weight. Correct? John -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366486#366486 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:14 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle length Not much adjustment is needed, John. Some have even gone without the turnbuckle and twisted the cable 'till tight! Stay with the shorties if you have a choice. Gary From Cool -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 9:09 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Turnbuckle length I am about to trammel my wings. Does it make a difference if I use the short or long turnbuckles? I understand 4" full length for short and 8" full length for long. If I don't need a lot of adjustment I should prefer the short to save weight. Correct? John -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366486#366486 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:54:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The previous Pietenpol club From: "Bill Church" Uhhh, maybe not. This matter has been discussed in the past. The previous BPA newsletters (Buckeye Pietenpol Association) were compiled and published by Grant McLaren, who holds the copyright to them. Grant has made it clear that he does not grant permission to copy and/or redistribute the old newsletters, as is his legal right. Don't bother asking Doc to make copies. The only option would be to find someone that has a collection of the old newsletters that wanted to part with them permanently. End of story. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366493#366493 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:39 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The previous Pietenpol club From: "jarheadpilot82" Mr. McLaren sounds like a peach of a guy. Glad he is so helpful. Has anyone discussed with Mr. McLaren the possibility of a group purchase of copies of the old newsletter? Copyright does protect him, but it doesn't mean he can't reprint and sell them (again). I would be interested in purchasing for a reasonable fee. They certainly aren't making him any money sitting in his protective "vault". Sheesh! Or maybe I would just print them if I had them and let Mr. McLaren go to the expense of suing. (Sorry. Just the old Marine in me bristling at the idea of somebody being "difficult" about a reasonable request) -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366494#366494 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The previous Pietenpol club From: "Bill Church" As I said, this issue has been discussed before. Questions were asked, and very clear answers were given directly from the holder of the copyright. If Grant ever chooses to republish them, I'm sure we'll hear about it. But for now, the case is closed. Let it rest. Nuff said. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366496#366496 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:08:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The previous Pietenpol club From: "jarheadpilot82" Bill, In my very short time associating with Pietenpol builders, I have found 90% (or more!) of the people to be helpful, giving, and just down right kind. I guess I am a little surprised when I run into people associated with Pietenpols that fall far outside those adjectives. Mr. McLaren may be a great guy, and he does have every right to handle his copyrighted material. It is just a shame to keep the info locked up and unavailable. I am sure there is a story there that some new guy like myself would not know. But it is still a shame, nonetheless. If I offended you with any comments, then I apologize. No intent to offend. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366500#366500 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:30:33 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar problem Jeff, I have great news! Today I brought down the wing that had the warp in the spar, in prep for cover. This trailing edge had warped about =BE=94!! In review, before varnish, I supported the wing on the ends, then started spraying water on the spar. Kiln dried lumber soaks up water quickly! I estimate that I used about 1 gallon of water, allowing the =91coats=92 to soak in each time. Then, from the strut attach bracket, I suspended about 50 lbs of weight. In my case, that was enough to bring it to straight. After drying for a few days, I removed the weight. The spar remained straight, so I varnished it. It hung for about 2 months in the ceiling, during which time I had little hope that it would stay fixed. Imagine my relief today!! Best of luck to you, too=85 Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bender Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 8:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar problem --> < jfaith@solairusaviation.com> ahh yes... its Douglas fir.. the one that moved has the least tight rings.. but it has about 10 per inch..vertical grain..the others have twice that many I purchased the boards locally from a place called Koetter lumber. i wondered about wetting the spar and holding it in place.. thanks for the help jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366482#366482 List 7-Day http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:42:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 3 Msgs - 02/16/12 From: "bender" the wing is all together... one piece wing the other side is perfect.. My guess is a trim tab or aileron rigging would work but i don't like it.. i thought about the stress part.. and considered that i could add ply to the rear side of both rear spars..the full length.. then they would be the same.. i may try the wetting the spar and bracing it in the right position till dry thanks for the thoughts jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366509#366509 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:31 PM PST US From: "l.morlock" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Spar problem Jeff, have you checked whether your center section is square? I have a one piece wing and had a similar problem with the right rear corner of the wing sagging. I had used cables to hold the center section in place so I could easily move the wing fore and aft when I was checking the CG. After saw the problem with the corner of the wing sagging, I was so focused on the outboard end of the wings that I hadn't paid any attention to the center section not being square until my EAA tech counselor pointed it out. When I squared up the center section, the outboard corner of the wing came up where it should be. This problem is probably unique to the one-piece wing. Larry ----- Original Message ----- From: "bender" Sent: Thursday, February 16, 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar problem > > > Hey guys... > I'm kinda freaking out a little.. > i built a one piece wing.. with solid 3/4 inch spars.. > > my right rear spar outboard of the strut attach point has warped a bit.. > it moved down at the tip about a half an inch..it looks even more > exaggerated at the trailing edge. > i can lift the wing tip and make it all line up.. > i assume they all have a bit of flexibility outside of the strut attach > point > > I'm thinking i need to cut the spar and splice in a new section that is > straight .. > my other thought was maybe way off.. 43-13 allows a plywood doubler to be > attached to reinforce a crack in a spar.. > i wondered if i could jack up the wing tip and add a piece of 1/8 inch > plywood to the rear of the spar to keep it in place.. from just inboard of > the fitting to the tip... once the glue dried the ply should stabilize the > spar and keep it from moving down again.. > > i'm afraid splicing in a new section may be the only hope.. but i wonder > if air loads move the wing much.. > > jeff :( > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366442#366442 > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:11 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The previous Pietenpol club I wonder if there would be much material in those older issues that has not been covered in the newer ones, or here on this list. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:32:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The previous Pietenpol club From: "jarheadpilot82" We most likely will not know the answer unless someone has a personal library they would be willing to go through. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366520#366520 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:55:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The previous Pietenpol club From: "Bill Church" Terry, Maybe the tone of my writing was misleading. No offense was taken. I too would love to be able to access those old issues of the BPA newsletters, but unfortunately we can't. For a little back story, see this thread from 4 years ago: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=43704&highlight=bpa Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366521#366521 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:21 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The previous Pietenpol club Michael Perez nailed it. This list, along with www.westcoastpiet and on line build logs, has reduced the value of the old newsletters. Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 17, 2012 6:14 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: The previous Pietenpol club I wonder if there would be much material in those older issues that has not been covered in the newer ones, or here on this list. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: The previous Pietenpol club From: "jarheadpilot82" Greg, As usual, you are the calm voice of reason. I guess we should not worry about 'maybe' information. Rather, we should enjoy the 'definite' information that is available to us, such as this forum, westcoastpiet.com, Brodhead, BPA, to name just a few. And the great Piet people we meet along the way. Thanks, Greg, for the refocus. 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