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1. 02:51 AM - Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location (Kringle)
2. 03:46 AM - Re: Shad's Piet fly-in (tools)
3. 03:46 AM - Re: Wing brace wires (Jerry Dotson)
4. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: paint (Ron Eisaman)
5. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: paint (Jack Phillips)
6. 06:12 AM - Re: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location (Jack Phillips)
7. 06:33 AM - Re: paint (jarheadpilot82)
8. 07:20 AM - Re: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location (Gboothe5)
9. 08:45 AM - Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location (K5YAC)
10. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: paint (Jack@textors.com)
11. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: paint (Ken Bickers)
12. 11:05 AM - spar repair-- correction (Timothy Willis)
13. 11:38 AM - Re: paint (aerocarjake)
14. 01:57 PM - Rust removal (skellytown flyer)
15. 03:05 PM - First flight (Rod Wooller)
16. 03:07 PM - Re: Wing brace wires (Michael Perez)
17. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: paint (airlion)
18. 03:23 PM - Re: Rust removal (airlion)
19. 03:49 PM - Re: First flight (kevinpurtee)
20. 03:55 PM - Re: First flight (Gboothe5)
21. 04:06 PM - Re: Rust removalby electrolysis (Jim Boyer)
22. 04:29 PM - Re: First flight (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
23. 04:34 PM - Re: First flight (K5YAC)
24. 04:48 PM - Re: First flight (Kringle)
25. 05:01 PM - Re: First flight (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
26. 05:19 PM - Re: Rust removalby electrolysis (tools)
27. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Shad's Piet fly-in (shad bell)
28. 05:43 PM - Re: First flight (Jack)
29. 05:58 PM - Re: First flight (Greg Cardinal)
30. 06:10 PM - Re: First flight (Jack Phillips)
31. 06:17 PM - Re: First flight (Kyle85)
32. 08:00 PM - Re: Wing brace wires (dgaldrich)
33. 08:10 PM - Re: First flight (Hans Van Der Voort)
34. 08:17 PM - Re: Wing brace wires (Hans Van Der Voort)
35. 08:27 PM - Re: Original 1930s Strut Tubing (Baldeagle)
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location |
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Cheaper! They're just 4130.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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Gary,
I might be showing my ignorance here but why add this fitting? Tony Bingelis connects
the cable directly to the cable eye on the turnbuckle.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Shad's Piet fly-in |
What's the airport ID please?
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Wing brace wires |
I used 1/8 through out...... Why? I had a roll of 1/8 stainless given to me!
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Hello Group,
I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within my
lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns. T
he "certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again.
With my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help?
Ron Eisaman
rdwdsgn@aol.com
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Lasers aren't really necessary. The thin (.032") steel sheet used to make
the horns can be easily cut with tin snips or even a good pair of scissors.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Eisaman
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 7:38 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint
Hello Group,
I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within my
lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns. The
"certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again.
With my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help?
Ron Eisaman
rdwdsgn@aol.com
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location |
When I started building my wings, I looked at the odd attachment of the lift
strut fittings that were shown in the plans and started to redesign them to
be in line with the lift struts (as more moderne airplanes do), but first I
decided to do a stress analysis on the design. What I found surprised me,
and gave me a lot more respect for Mr. Pietenpol as an engineer. His design
puts a moment (a "twisting force") on the spar, which partially counteracts
the bending moment induced by lift along the span of the wing. The result
is that the stress within the spar is reduced slightly by using the design
in the plans, so I left mine that way and did not change it.
I'm glad I didn't change the design because I would have made the angle of
the fitting wrong anyway, since long after I built the wing I decided to
make my cabanes taller than the plans show, which changed the angle the lift
strut makes with the spar anyway.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:54 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location
I'm not sure if it makes a huge difference one way or another on the
alignment of the lift strut attach fittings... I got the idea from Chuck
Gantzer's videos and it seemed like a reasonable idea to me, so I did mine
that way.
Not the greatest drawings, but for anyone that might wonder what we are
talking about, the first illustration shows the orientation of the fitting
according to the plans and the second illustration shows what Chuck
recommends. I'm not sure that he recommended eliminating the top cap, as I
did... his suggestion was more about correcting the angle. If I recall, the
idea that there may be a twisting motion applied to the fitting was
undesirable. I've seen several examples of both, probably not a big deal.
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Ron,
I, like you was interested in creating these parts in CAD and having them CNC Laser-cut.
However, I was advised not to do that. The laser heats the metal (obviously),
and hardens the edges. Hardened edges make it much more difficult to
weld, so I am told. So I am not sure your welder is totally at fault.
I was also told that if I really wanted to CNC them, the parts should be cut with
a water jet, and thus avoid the edge hardening issue. I think that I am just
going to cut them the old fashioned way, like most other guys do. Technology
is not always your friend.
If I am incorrect, someone please chime in and correct me. I like to learn as much
as the next guy.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location |
No argument, here!
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 2:50 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location
gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote:
> Cheaper! They're just 4130.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> --
Gary,
I might be showing my ignorance here but why add this fitting? Tony
Bingelis connects the cable directly to the cable eye on the turnbuckle.
John
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| Subject: | Re: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location |
Thanks Jack! I have figured in +2" in my cabane struts, based upon what several
of you have told me looks and works good. With that additional distance I believe
I came up with a 31* angle, which is where I set my lift strut attach points.
Looking back, I'm not sure if I would have done it that way again. I
think it will work just fine based upon what others have done, but there is certainly
no benefit, as you pointed out.
pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote:
> When I started building my wings, I looked at the odd attachment of the lift
> strut fittings that were shown in the plans and started to redesign them to
> be in line with the lift struts (as more moderne airplanes do), but first I
> decided to do a stress analysis on the design. What I found surprised me,
> and gave me a lot more respect for Mr. Pietenpol as an engineer. His design
> puts a moment (a "twisting force") on the spar, which partially counteracts
> the bending moment induced by lift along the span of the wing. The result
> is that the stress within the spar is reduced slightly by using the design
> in the plans, so I left mine that way and did not change it.
>
> I'm glad I didn't change the design because I would have made the angle of
> the fitting wrong anyway, since long after I built the wing I decided to
> make my cabanes taller than the plans show, which changed the angle the lift
> strut makes with the spar anyway.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> --
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Ken Perkins
Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Ron Eisaman <rdwdsgn@aol.com> wrote:
> Hello Group,
> I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within m
y lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns. T
he "certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again. W
ith my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help?
>
>
> Ron Eisaman
> rdwdsgn@aol.com
>
>
>
>
>
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Ron, I have to confess that initially I was a bit intimidated by the
control horns. Once I got started on them, I found the process of
making them to be fun and very satisfying. No doubt, there are
probably lots of right ways to cut the metal for the control horns.
The way I did it turned out to be simple, and relatively fast.
I drew all of the shapes at full scale onto graph paper. I then cut
each of the shapes out (labelled, so that later I could quickly find
the particular ones I needed). The shapes were transferred to the
sheet of thin steel, using a permanent marker (labelled, as well, for
the same reason as above). I cut the longer edges, just outside the
lines, using a 4 1/2 cut-off tool. Short edges and tightly curved
edges were cut with a metal cutting disk on a Dremel too. A few
minutes with a file and I had a nice stack of pieces to begin making
the control horns.
The nice thing is that this was repeatable. So when the inevitable
screw-up occurred and a piece needed to be refashioned, I wasn't
beholden to a shop to make another blank. I'd just pop the needed
paper shape onto a piece of the metal sheet, and redo things.
Best of luck with this, Ken
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jack@textors.com <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Ken Perkins
> Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net
>
> Jack Textor
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Ron Eisaman <rdwdsgn@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Group,
> I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within my
> lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns. The
> "certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again.
> With my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help?
>
>
> Ron Eisaman
> rdwdsgn@aol.com
>
>
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| Subject: | spar repair-- correction |
Oscar,
Thanks for the correction. I was guilty of overstating the case on the
robustness of the spar design. As usual you are right. I will stick with
my other comments on the fix of warp with a ply scab, though.
Tim in central TX
Time: 10:23:51 PM PST US
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar problem-again
Tim wrote:
"Lastly the Piet spar design is very forgiving and already overbuilt."
While I would generously characterize the Piet spar design as 'forgiving'
since thousands of them have been built over the years with NO
catastrophic structural failures and very satisfactory flight operations
over thousands of flight hours by untold numbers of pilots, I would not
characterize the spar design as 'overbuilt'. Several peoplehave
independently run calculations on the spars as designed, and have
found them'adequate', but not 'overbuilt'.
If anyone intends to modify the wing loading, spar design, airfoil,
lift struts,
or other aspects of the Piet wing- I strongly advise that they perform a
basic structural analysis of what they intend to do and then draw
their own conclusions.
The Piet fuselage, on the other hand, is widely accepted as being 'overbuilt'.
Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/rogueairparts
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I'm surprised that no one (I know of) has done the "trimotor" paint scheme.....?!?!?!?
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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This may have been on here before but it is from the Corvair site. could be of
some use to a few if they are restoring tractors, model A's or whatever.if there
is any interest there were several follow ups dealing with where to get the
Soda. basically I think the easiest one was some type of swimming pool additive
available at hardware stores or pool supply stores.PH-up? might have been the
name of the product.Raymond
This may have been mentioned on the list before, but last weekend I
built myself an electrolysis vat for cleaning away rust. This really
works. I cleaned my exhaust logs and my cooling baffles. Once out of
the vat it took very little work to get them ready for painting. One
exhaust log had a crack through one port and after removing them from
the vat I was able to clearly see where the crack ran so I could vee it
out and repair it with brazing. This link is a pretty good description
of the electrolysis process.
http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tools/Electrolysis.htm
This only works on ferris metals. I did do a little sand blasting
afterwards but I am not sure it was really necessary. Just be careful
as the process generates hydrogen which is very explosive. I located my
vat outside and even in sub zero tempratures the electrolysis generated
enough heat that nothing froze.
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After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and
ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield
with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight
he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930's aircraft. There is of
course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before the
next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be completed
this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but mainly just
the pure excitement!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8&feature=email> &feature=email
Rod Wooller
Auckland, New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: Wing brace wires |
I am not sure why people switched to 1/8" cable.- Unless proven inadequat
e, I will be using the 3/32".
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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I will have to confess that I was baffelled by the horns so I just made them out
of .090 and they worked great.How about having a workshop on horn making at
Broadhead. Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Sent: Mon, February 20, 2012 12:48:53 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint
Ron, I have to confess that initially I was a bit intimidated by the
control horns. Once I got started on them, I found the process of
making them to be fun and very satisfying. No doubt, there are
probably lots of right ways to cut the metal for the control horns.
The way I did it turned out to be simple, and relatively fast.
I drew all of the shapes at full scale onto graph paper. I then cut
each of the shapes out (labelled, so that later I could quickly find
the particular ones I needed). The shapes were transferred to the
sheet of thin steel, using a permanent marker (labelled, as well, for
the same reason as above). I cut the longer edges, just outside the
lines, using a 4 1/2 cut-off tool. Short edges and tightly curved
edges were cut with a metal cutting disk on a Dremel too. A few
minutes with a file and I had a nice stack of pieces to begin making
the control horns.
The nice thing is that this was repeatable. So when the inevitable
screw-up occurred and a piece needed to be refashioned, I wasn't
beholden to a shop to make another blank. I'd just pop the needed
paper shape onto a piece of the metal sheet, and redo things.
Best of luck with this, Ken
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jack@textors.com <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Ken Perkins
> Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net
>
> Jack Textor
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Ron Eisaman <rdwdsgn@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Hello Group,
> I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within my
> lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns. The
> "certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again.
> With my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help?
>
>
> Ron Eisaman
> rdwdsgn@aol.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rust removal |
I have always used OSPHO Which stands for Osphoric acid. It works great for
cleaning and prepping metal for painting Cheers, Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: skellytown flyer <skellflyer1@yahoo.com>
Sent: Mon, February 20, 2012 4:56:49 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rust removal
This may have been on here before but it is from the Corvair site. could be of
some use to a few if they are restoring tractors, model A's or whatever.if there
is any interest there were several follow ups dealing with where to get the
Soda. basically I think the easiest one was some type of swimming pool additive
available at hardware stores or pool supply stores.PH-up? might have been the
name of the product.Raymond
This may have been mentioned on the list before, but last weekend I
built myself an electrolysis vat for cleaning away rust. This really
works. I cleaned my exhaust logs and my cooling baffles. Once out of
the vat it took very little work to get them ready for painting. One
exhaust log had a crack through one port and after removing them from
the vat I was able to clearly see where the crack ran so I could vee it
out and repair it with brazing. This link is a pretty good description
of the electrolysis process.
http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tools/Electrolysis.htm
This only works on ferris metals. I did do a little sand blasting
afterwards but I am not sure it was really necessary. Just be careful
as the process generates hydrogen which is very explosive. I located my
vat outside and even in sub zero tempratures the electrolysis generated
enough heat that nothing froze.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Congratulations, Rod! Here's wishing you thousands of joyous hours of flying.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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Rod,
Congratulations! Chalk up another for Corvair Piets!!
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rod Wooller
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight
After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and
ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield
with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight
he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930's aircraft. There is of
course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before the
next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be completed
this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but mainly just
the pure excitement!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8&feature=email> &feature=email
Rod Wooller
Auckland, New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: Rust removalby electrolysis |
Its called Washing Soda and is readily available at your local ACE Hardware
store. Its in a yellow=C2- box and is made by Arm & Hammer. It will cost
$5 a box plus whatever your local sales tax rate.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Congratulations Rod!
Great to see her take flight.
Best regards,
John Woods
Western Australia
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That's great Rod! Congratulations!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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Awesome
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Very nice
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| Subject: | Re: Rust removalby electrolysis |
You pretty much just need it to be an electrolyte solution of some sort, lots of
things will work.
There's a very good writeup online somewhere that recommended using lye. The advantage
there was that it also ate off old paint... however, that stuff is quite
dangerous.
Another neat feature is that with creative placement of the sacrificial anode,
you can remove rust from inside things, where other methods are nearly useless.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: Shad's Piet fly-in |
Ident is 6CM, Chapman Memorial Airport, Centerburg, Ohio.- It is just nor
th of Columbus about 20 miles, grass only, and the owner puts out notams fo
r prior permission before landing.
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Shad
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shad's Piet fly-in
What's the airport ID please?
Tools
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Rod and Dave, what a milestone, congratulations to you both. These reports
keep me going, thanks!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rod Wooller
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight
After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and
ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield
with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight
he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930's aircraft. There is of
course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before the
next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be completed
this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but mainly just
the pure excitement!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8&feature=email> &feature=email
Rod Wooller
Auckland, New Zealand
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Well done, Rod!
Keep us posted on the "minor alterations and adjustments".
When will you fly it?
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
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From: Rod Wooller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight
After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia
and ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai
airfield with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20
minutes flight he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930's
aircraft. There is of course a list of minor alterations and adjustments
to be done before the next flight but if the weather is kind the test
program should be completed this summer. The shaky video is partly due
to the zoom lens, but mainly just the pure excitement!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8&feature=email
Rod Wooller
Auckland, New Zealand
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Outstanding, Rod! Great feeling, isn't it?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rod Wooller
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight
After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and
ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield
with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight
he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930's aircraft. There is of
course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before the
next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be completed
this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but mainly just
the pure excitement!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8&feature=email> &feature=email
Rod Wooller
Auckland, New Zealand
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Congrats! That is really motivating. I just bought my spar wood from woodsmith
store in Des Moines Iowa yesterday, this makes me want to go work on it right
now. Beautiful plane! I hope you have countless hours of enjoyment for all your
toils.
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Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
flight.
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| Subject: | Re: Wing brace wires |
Somewhere in the bowels of the FAA publications is a reference that says "primary
control cables" will be at least 1/8 inch. Just did a quick look at 43-13
but didn't find the reference. Might be in Part 23? In any event, that's the
origin. I don't think brace or drag/antidrag have a specific minimum size. No
guarantees on that last statement.
Dave
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awsome, have fun.
Hans
NX15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Wooller <rmwo@clear.net.nz>
Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 5:05 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight
After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and end
ed in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield with
test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight he
landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930=99s aircraft. There
is of course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before
the next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be comp
leted this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but main
ly just the pure excitement!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8&feature=email
Rod Wooller
Auckland, New Zealand
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| Subject: | Re: Wing brace wires |
I used 3/32 on all control cables, 1/16 on tail wires, but 1/8 on wing brac
e wires.
Can't muscle more than the strength on the 3/32
The tail lumber can't handle more than the 1/16
And the wing bracing is redundancy on the struts
Made sense to me
Hans
NX15KV
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Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 5:07 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing brace wires
I am not sure why people switched to 1/8" cable. Unless proven inadequate,
I will be using the 3/32".
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Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | Re: Original 1930s Strut Tubing |
Don't know about weight per foot or anything, but NX13691 still has those struts
on it. It doesn't use jury struts because supposedly those struts are stiff
enough to not need them, although they do still flex a little.
Gilles Aulliard photo
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