---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 02/20/12: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:51 AM - Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location (Kringle) 2. 03:46 AM - Re: Shad's Piet fly-in (tools) 3. 03:46 AM - Re: Wing brace wires (Jerry Dotson) 4. 04:39 AM - Re: Re: paint (Ron Eisaman) 5. 06:03 AM - Re: Re: paint (Jack Phillips) 6. 06:12 AM - Re: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location (Jack Phillips) 7. 06:33 AM - Re: paint (jarheadpilot82) 8. 07:20 AM - Re: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location (Gboothe5) 9. 08:45 AM - Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location (K5YAC) 10. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: paint (Jack@textors.com) 11. 09:49 AM - Re: Re: paint (Ken Bickers) 12. 11:05 AM - spar repair-- correction (Timothy Willis) 13. 11:38 AM - Re: paint (aerocarjake) 14. 01:57 PM - Rust removal (skellytown flyer) 15. 03:05 PM - First flight (Rod Wooller) 16. 03:07 PM - Re: Wing brace wires (Michael Perez) 17. 03:07 PM - Re: Re: paint (airlion) 18. 03:23 PM - Re: Rust removal (airlion) 19. 03:49 PM - Re: First flight (kevinpurtee) 20. 03:55 PM - Re: First flight (Gboothe5) 21. 04:06 PM - Re: Rust removalby electrolysis (Jim Boyer) 22. 04:29 PM - Re: First flight (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) 23. 04:34 PM - Re: First flight (K5YAC) 24. 04:48 PM - Re: First flight (Kringle) 25. 05:01 PM - Re: First flight (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 26. 05:19 PM - Re: Rust removalby electrolysis (tools) 27. 05:38 PM - Re: Re: Shad's Piet fly-in (shad bell) 28. 05:43 PM - Re: First flight (Jack) 29. 05:58 PM - Re: First flight (Greg Cardinal) 30. 06:10 PM - Re: First flight (Jack Phillips) 31. 06:17 PM - Re: First flight (Kyle85) 32. 08:00 PM - Re: Wing brace wires (dgaldrich) 33. 08:10 PM - Re: First flight (Hans Van Der Voort) 34. 08:17 PM - Re: Wing brace wires (Hans Van Der Voort) 35. 08:27 PM - Re: Original 1930s Strut Tubing (Baldeagle) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:51:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location From: "Kringle" gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > Cheaper! They're just 4130. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -- Gary, I might be showing my ignorance here but why add this fitting? Tony Bingelis connects the cable directly to the cable eye on the turnbuckle. John -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366685#366685 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shad's Piet fly-in From: "tools" What's the airport ID please? Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366688#366688 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:46:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing brace wires From: "Jerry Dotson" I used 1/8 through out...... Why? I had a roll of 1/8 stainless given to me! do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366687#366687 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint From: Ron Eisaman Hello Group, I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within my lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns. T he "certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again. With my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help? Ron Eisaman rdwdsgn@aol.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:03:34 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint Lasers aren't really necessary. The thin (.032") steel sheet used to make the horns can be easily cut with tin snips or even a good pair of scissors. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Eisaman Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 7:38 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint Hello Group, I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within my lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns. The "certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again. With my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help? Ron Eisaman rdwdsgn@aol.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:12:35 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location When I started building my wings, I looked at the odd attachment of the lift strut fittings that were shown in the plans and started to redesign them to be in line with the lift struts (as more moderne airplanes do), but first I decided to do a stress analysis on the design. What I found surprised me, and gave me a lot more respect for Mr. Pietenpol as an engineer. His design puts a moment (a "twisting force") on the spar, which partially counteracts the bending moment induced by lift along the span of the wing. The result is that the stress within the spar is reduced slightly by using the design in the plans, so I left mine that way and did not change it. I'm glad I didn't change the design because I would have made the angle of the fitting wrong anyway, since long after I built the wing I decided to make my cabanes taller than the plans show, which changed the angle the lift strut makes with the spar anyway. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Sunday, February 19, 2012 11:54 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location I'm not sure if it makes a huge difference one way or another on the alignment of the lift strut attach fittings... I got the idea from Chuck Gantzer's videos and it seemed like a reasonable idea to me, so I did mine that way. Not the greatest drawings, but for anyone that might wonder what we are talking about, the first illustration shows the orientation of the fitting according to the plans and the second illustration shows what Chuck recommends. I'm not sure that he recommended eliminating the top cap, as I did... his suggestion was more about correcting the angle. If I recall, the idea that there may be a twisting motion applied to the fitting was undesirable. I've seen several examples of both, probably not a big deal. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366674#366674 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lift_strut_fittings002_891.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint From: "jarheadpilot82" Ron, I, like you was interested in creating these parts in CAD and having them CNC Laser-cut. However, I was advised not to do that. The laser heats the metal (obviously), and hardens the edges. Hardened edges make it much more difficult to weld, so I am told. So I am not sure your welder is totally at fault. I was also told that if I really wanted to CNC them, the parts should be cut with a water jet, and thus avoid the edge hardening issue. I think that I am just going to cut them the old fashioned way, like most other guys do. Technology is not always your friend. If I am incorrect, someone please chime in and correct me. I like to learn as much as the next guy. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366704#366704 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:50 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location No argument, here! Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 2:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > Cheaper! They're just 4130. > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > -- Gary, I might be showing my ignorance here but why add this fitting? Tony Bingelis connects the cable directly to the cable eye on the turnbuckle. John -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366685#366685 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:45:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question Re: Flying Strut Attachment Location From: "K5YAC" Thanks Jack! I have figured in +2" in my cabane struts, based upon what several of you have told me looks and works good. With that additional distance I believe I came up with a 31* angle, which is where I set my lift strut attach points. Looking back, I'm not sure if I would have done it that way again. I think it will work just fine based upon what others have done, but there is certainly no benefit, as you pointed out. pietflyr(at)bellsouth.net wrote: > When I started building my wings, I looked at the odd attachment of the lift > strut fittings that were shown in the plans and started to redesign them to > be in line with the lift struts (as more moderne airplanes do), but first I > decided to do a stress analysis on the design. What I found surprised me, > and gave me a lot more respect for Mr. Pietenpol as an engineer. His design > puts a moment (a "twisting force") on the spar, which partially counteracts > the bending moment induced by lift along the span of the wing. The result > is that the stress within the spar is reduced slightly by using the design > in the plans, so I left mine that way and did not change it. > > I'm glad I didn't change the design because I would have made the angle of > the fitting wrong anyway, since long after I built the wing I decided to > make my cabanes taller than the plans show, which changed the angle the lift > strut makes with the spar anyway. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > -- -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366713#366713 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint From: "Jack@textors.com" Ken Perkins Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Ron Eisaman wrote: > Hello Group, > I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within m y lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns. T he "certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again. W ith my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help? > > > Ron Eisaman > rdwdsgn@aol.com > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:24 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint From: Ken Bickers Ron, I have to confess that initially I was a bit intimidated by the control horns. Once I got started on them, I found the process of making them to be fun and very satisfying. No doubt, there are probably lots of right ways to cut the metal for the control horns. The way I did it turned out to be simple, and relatively fast. I drew all of the shapes at full scale onto graph paper. I then cut each of the shapes out (labelled, so that later I could quickly find the particular ones I needed). The shapes were transferred to the sheet of thin steel, using a permanent marker (labelled, as well, for the same reason as above). I cut the longer edges, just outside the lines, using a 4 1/2 cut-off tool. Short edges and tightly curved edges were cut with a metal cutting disk on a Dremel too. A few minutes with a file and I had a nice stack of pieces to begin making the control horns. The nice thing is that this was repeatable. So when the inevitable screw-up occurred and a piece needed to be refashioned, I wasn't beholden to a shop to make another blank. I'd just pop the needed paper shape onto a piece of the metal sheet, and redo things. Best of luck with this, Ken On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jack@textors.com wrote: > Ken Perkins > Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net > > Jack Textor > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Ron Eisaman wrote: > > Hello Group, > I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within my > lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns. The > "certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again. > With my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help? > > > Ron Eisaman > rdwdsgn@aol.com > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar repair-- correction From: Timothy Willis Oscar, Thanks for the correction. I was guilty of overstating the case on the robustness of the spar design. As usual you are right. I will stick with my other comments on the fix of warp with a ply scab, though. Tim in central TX Time: 10:23:51 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: spar problem-again Tim wrote: "Lastly the Piet spar design is very forgiving and already overbuilt." While I would generously characterize the Piet spar design as 'forgiving' since thousands of them have been built over the years with NO catastrophic structural failures and very satisfactory flight operations over thousands of flight hours by untold numbers of pilots, I would not characterize the spar design as 'overbuilt'. Several peoplehave independently run calculations on the spars as designed, and have found them'adequate', but not 'overbuilt'. If anyone intends to modify the wing loading, spar design, airfoil, lift struts, or other aspects of the Piet wing- I strongly advise that they perform a basic structural analysis of what they intend to do and then draw their own conclusions. The Piet fuselage, on the other hand, is widely accepted as being 'overbuilt'. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/rogueairparts ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:38:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint From: "aerocarjake" I'm surprised that no one (I know of) has done the "trimotor" paint scheme.....?!?!?!? -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366730#366730 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ford_paint_2_326.jpg ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rust removal From: "skellytown flyer" This may have been on here before but it is from the Corvair site. could be of some use to a few if they are restoring tractors, model A's or whatever.if there is any interest there were several follow ups dealing with where to get the Soda. basically I think the easiest one was some type of swimming pool additive available at hardware stores or pool supply stores.PH-up? might have been the name of the product.Raymond This may have been mentioned on the list before, but last weekend I built myself an electrolysis vat for cleaning away rust. This really works. I cleaned my exhaust logs and my cooling baffles. Once out of the vat it took very little work to get them ready for painting. One exhaust log had a crack through one port and after removing them from the vat I was able to clearly see where the crack ran so I could vee it out and repair it with brazing. This link is a pretty good description of the electrolysis process. http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tools/Electrolysis.htm This only works on ferris metals. I did do a little sand blasting afterwards but I am not sure it was really necessary. Just be careful as the process generates hydrogen which is very explosive. I located my vat outside and even in sub zero tempratures the electrolysis generated enough heat that nothing froze. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366746#366746 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:06 PM PST US From: Rod Wooller Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930's aircraft. There is of course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before the next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be completed this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but mainly just the pure excitement! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8 &feature=email Rod Wooller Auckland, New Zealand ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:07 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing brace wires I am not sure why people switched to 1/8" cable.- Unless proven inadequat e, I will be using the 3/32". Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:07:46 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint I will have to confess that I was baffelled by the horns so I just made them out of .090 and they worked great.How about having a workshop on horn making at Broadhead. Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Ken Bickers Sent: Mon, February 20, 2012 12:48:53 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint Ron, I have to confess that initially I was a bit intimidated by the control horns. Once I got started on them, I found the process of making them to be fun and very satisfying. No doubt, there are probably lots of right ways to cut the metal for the control horns. The way I did it turned out to be simple, and relatively fast. I drew all of the shapes at full scale onto graph paper. I then cut each of the shapes out (labelled, so that later I could quickly find the particular ones I needed). The shapes were transferred to the sheet of thin steel, using a permanent marker (labelled, as well, for the same reason as above). I cut the longer edges, just outside the lines, using a 4 1/2 cut-off tool. Short edges and tightly curved edges were cut with a metal cutting disk on a Dremel too. A few minutes with a file and I had a nice stack of pieces to begin making the control horns. The nice thing is that this was repeatable. So when the inevitable screw-up occurred and a piece needed to be refashioned, I wasn't beholden to a shop to make another blank. I'd just pop the needed paper shape onto a piece of the metal sheet, and redo things. Best of luck with this, Ken On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jack@textors.com wrote: > Ken Perkins > Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net > > Jack Textor > Sent from my iPad > > On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Ron Eisaman wrote: > > Hello Group, > I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within my > lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns. The > "certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again. > With my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help? > > > Ron Eisaman > rdwdsgn@aol.com > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:00 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rust removal I have always used OSPHO Which stands for Osphoric acid. It works great for cleaning and prepping metal for painting Cheers, Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: skellytown flyer Sent: Mon, February 20, 2012 4:56:49 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rust removal This may have been on here before but it is from the Corvair site. could be of some use to a few if they are restoring tractors, model A's or whatever.if there is any interest there were several follow ups dealing with where to get the Soda. basically I think the easiest one was some type of swimming pool additive available at hardware stores or pool supply stores.PH-up? might have been the name of the product.Raymond This may have been mentioned on the list before, but last weekend I built myself an electrolysis vat for cleaning away rust. This really works. I cleaned my exhaust logs and my cooling baffles. Once out of the vat it took very little work to get them ready for painting. One exhaust log had a crack through one port and after removing them from the vat I was able to clearly see where the crack ran so I could vee it out and repair it with brazing. This link is a pretty good description of the electrolysis process. http://www.rowand.net/Shop/Tools/Electrolysis.htm This only works on ferris metals. I did do a little sand blasting afterwards but I am not sure it was really necessary. Just be careful as the process generates hydrogen which is very explosive. I located my vat outside and even in sub zero tempratures the electrolysis generated enough heat that nothing froze. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366746#366746 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight From: "kevinpurtee" Congratulations, Rod! Here's wishing you thousands of joyous hours of flying. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366760#366760 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:55:11 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First flight Rod, Congratulations! Chalk up another for Corvair Piets!! Gary from Cool Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rod Wooller Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 3:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930's aircraft. There is of course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before the next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be completed this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but mainly just the pure excitement! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8 &feature=email Rod Wooller Auckland, New Zealand ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:06:52 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rust removalby electrolysis Its called Washing Soda and is readily available at your local ACE Hardware store. Its in a yellow=C2- box and is made by Arm & Hammer. It will cost $5 a box plus whatever your local sales tax rate. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:52 PM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight Congratulations Rod! Great to see her take flight. Best regards, John Woods Western Australia ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight From: "K5YAC" That's great Rod! Congratulations! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366767#366767 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:48:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight From: "Kringle" Awesome -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366769#366769 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:01:56 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight Very nice Do not archive John ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 05:19:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rust removalby electrolysis From: "tools" You pretty much just need it to be an electrolyte solution of some sort, lots of things will work. There's a very good writeup online somewhere that recommended using lye. The advantage there was that it also ate off old paint... however, that stuff is quite dangerous. Another neat feature is that with creative placement of the sacrificial anode, you can remove rust from inside things, where other methods are nearly useless. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366773#366773 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:55 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shad's Piet fly-in Ident is 6CM, Chapman Memorial Airport, Centerburg, Ohio.- It is just nor th of Columbus about 20 miles, grass only, and the owner puts out notams fo r prior permission before landing. - Shad --- On Mon, 2/20/12, tools wrote: From: tools Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Shad's Piet fly-in What's the airport ID please? Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366688#366688 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:05 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First flight Rod and Dave, what a milestone, congratulations to you both. These reports keep me going, thanks! Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rod Wooller Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930's aircraft. There is of course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before the next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be completed this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but mainly just the pure excitement! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8 &feature=email Rod Wooller Auckland, New Zealand ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:44 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight Well done, Rod! Keep us posted on the "minor alterations and adjustments". When will you fly it? Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: Rod Wooller To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 5:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930's aircraft. There is of course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before the next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be completed this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but mainly just the pure excitement! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8&feature=email Rod Wooller Auckland, New Zealand ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:03 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First flight Outstanding, Rod! Great feeling, isn't it? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rod Wooller Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930's aircraft. There is of course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before the next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be completed this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but mainly just the pure excitement! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8 &feature=email Rod Wooller Auckland, New Zealand ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:41 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First flight From: "Kyle85" Congrats! That is really motivating. I just bought my spar wood from woodsmith store in Des Moines Iowa yesterday, this makes me want to go work on it right now. Beautiful plane! I hope you have countless hours of enjoyment for all your toils. -------- Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366783#366783 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing brace wires From: "dgaldrich" Somewhere in the bowels of the FAA publications is a reference that says "primary control cables" will be at least 1/8 inch. Just did a quick look at 43-13 but didn't find the reference. Might be in Part 23? In any event, that's the origin. I don't think brace or drag/antidrag have a specific minimum size. No guarantees on that last statement. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366795#366795 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:10:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight From: Hans Van Der Voort awsome, have fun. Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: Rod Wooller Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 5:05 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and end ed in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai airfield with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20 minutes flight he landed and remarked that it flew just like a 1930=99s aircraft. There is of course a list of minor alterations and adjustments to be done before the next flight but if the weather is kind the test program should be comp leted this summer. The shaky video is partly due to the zoom lens, but main ly just the pure excitement! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8&feature=email Rod Wooller Auckland, New Zealand -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:23 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing brace wires From: Hans Van Der Voort I used 3/32 on all control cables, 1/16 on tail wires, but 1/8 on wing brac e wires. Can't muscle more than the strength on the 3/32 The tail lumber can't handle more than the 1/16 And the wing bracing is redundancy on the struts Made sense to me Hans NX15KV -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Mon, Feb 20, 2012 5:07 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing brace wires I am not sure why people switched to 1/8" cable. Unless proven inadequate, I will be using the 3/32". Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Original 1930s Strut Tubing From: "Baldeagle" Don't know about weight per foot or anything, but NX13691 still has those struts on it. It doesn't use jury struts because supposedly those struts are stiff enough to not need them, although they do still flex a little. 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