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1. 03:57 AM - Re: First flight (Jerry Dotson)
2. 04:23 AM - congratulations Rod!!! (Douwe Blumberg)
3. 04:29 AM - Re: congratulations Rod!!! (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 04:34 AM - Re: First flight (Mark Stanley)
5. 04:43 AM - Re: Re: paint (C N Campbell)
6. 06:12 AM - Re: Original 1930s Strut Tubing (Don Emch)
7. 06:23 AM - Re: Original 1930s Strut Tubing (Piet2015)
8. 07:07 AM - Wings are on! (Rick Schreiber)
9. 07:18 AM - Re: Wings are on! (Gboothe5)
10. 07:20 AM - Re: Wings are on! (Jack Phillips)
11. 07:27 AM - Re: Wings are on! (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
12. 07:33 AM - Wing brace wires (Rick Schreiber)
13. 07:46 AM - Re: First flight (Michael Perez)
14. 07:47 AM - Re: Wings are on! (Rick Schreiber)
15. 07:52 AM - Re: Wings are on! (Michael Perez)
16. 08:08 AM - Re: Wings are on! (Rick Schreiber)
17. 08:14 AM - Re: Wings are on! (Ken Bickers)
18. 08:31 AM - More wing info (Rick Schreiber)
19. 09:09 AM - Re: Wings are on! (K5YAC)
20. 09:19 AM - Re: Wing brace wires (dgaldrich)
21. 09:37 AM - Re: Wings are on! (Bill Church)
22. 09:55 AM - Re: More wing info (Jerry Dotson)
23. 01:46 PM - Re: More wing info (Ben Charvet)
24. 03:43 PM - Re: Wings are on! (aerocarjake)
25. 05:45 PM - Throttle Linkage (Jack)
26. 06:19 PM - Re: Throttle Linkage (Gary Boothe)
27. 11:23 PM - Re: Throttle Linkage (Peter W Johnson)
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
Fantastic Rod. It looked like it was climbing real good on Corvair power. I hope
to fly mine in a couple of months and seeing yours fly just rekindle the fire
to get mine flying.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | congratulations Rod!!! |
Beautiful plane Rod, and a great example of perseverance!!
Thanks for sharing the great day.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: congratulations Rod!!! |
Very nice airplane Rod! Congratulations amigo.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 21, 2012 6:23 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: congratulations Rod!!!
Beautiful plane Rod, and a great example of perseverance!!
Thanks for sharing the great day.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: First flight |
G=99day Rod,
Congrats on a great job mate! It must have been a real buzz to see you
pride and joy doing what it is meant to do!
Until now, I didn=99t know anything about your project but it is
still great to see another Piet in the air.
It will be quite a few years before I get anywhere near completion but
like you, I just have to keep plugging away at it and the day will come.
Anyway mate, good on ya, stay safe and have fun with your new toy!!
Mark Stanley
Ozzy in Japan
From: Rod Wooller
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:03 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: First flight
After an 11 year building project that started in Western Australia and
ended in New Zealand, ZK-PAC took off from West Auckland Parakai
airfield with test pilot Dave Simpson at the controls. After about 20
minutes flight he landed and remarked that it flew just like a
1930=99s aircraft. There is of course a list of minor alterations
and adjustments to be done before the next flight but if the weather is
kind the test program should be completed this summer. The shaky video
is partly due to the zoom lens, but mainly just the pure excitement!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjqhhmNpFS8&feature=email
Rod Wooller
Auckland, New Zealand
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Likewise, Gardiner, I made mine out of .090, also. I felt that the welded
ones from thinner material were too complicated for my old mind. Chuck
----- Original Message -----
From: "airlion" <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Monday, February 20, 2012 6:07 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint
>
> I will have to confess that I was baffelled by the horns so I just made
> them out
> of .090 and they worked great.How about having a workshop on horn making
> at
> Broadhead. Cheers, Gardiner
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Mon, February 20, 2012 12:48:53 PM
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: paint
>
>
> Ron, I have to confess that initially I was a bit intimidated by the
> control horns. Once I got started on them, I found the process of
> making them to be fun and very satisfying. No doubt, there are
> probably lots of right ways to cut the metal for the control horns.
> The way I did it turned out to be simple, and relatively fast.
>
> I drew all of the shapes at full scale onto graph paper. I then cut
> each of the shapes out (labelled, so that later I could quickly find
> the particular ones I needed). The shapes were transferred to the
> sheet of thin steel, using a permanent marker (labelled, as well, for
> the same reason as above). I cut the longer edges, just outside the
> lines, using a 4 1/2 cut-off tool. Short edges and tightly curved
> edges were cut with a metal cutting disk on a Dremel too. A few
> minutes with a file and I had a nice stack of pieces to begin making
> the control horns.
>
> The nice thing is that this was repeatable. So when the inevitable
> screw-up occurred and a piece needed to be refashioned, I wasn't
> beholden to a shop to make another blank. I'd just pop the needed
> paper shape onto a piece of the metal sheet, and redo things.
>
> Best of luck with this, Ken
>
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:29 AM, Jack@textors.com <jack@textors.com>
> wrote:
>> Ken Perkins
>> Kenandvernaperkins@sbcglobal.net
>>
>> Jack Textor
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Feb 20, 2012, at 6:37 AM, Ron Eisaman <rdwdsgn@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Group,
>> I am back after many years, again attempting to finish my Piet within
>> my
>> lifetime. Long ago, I bought some laser-cut parts to make control horns.
>> The
>> "certified welder" I used screwed everything up, so I want to try again.
>> With my 30 second memory span, I forgot where I got them. Can you help?
>>
>>
>> Ron Eisaman
>> rdwdsgn@aol.com
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Original 1930s Strut Tubing |
Just a quick opinion here. I don't think a cooler Piet than 13691 exists out there!
Awesome picture. Thanks BaldEagle!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Original 1930s Strut Tubing |
I agree with Don.
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Yesterday was another milestone on my project. The wings were finally
mated to the fuselage for the first time. We had about 7 people for the
task and it wound up being a smooth operation. I used the support idea
from Jack Phillips (adjustable using threaded allrod) and the adjustable
electrical conduit for the temporary struts from Lowell Frank.
The wings are now in rig and today I will be finishing up the aileron
cables.
Attached are a few pictures. As often as I have been around Piets, I was
still not prepared for how big it really is once the wings are on.
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An exciting day, Rick! I have hung wings on two Piets...my own, and a
friend's...both times with just two bodies. More is better...
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wings are on!
Yesterday was another milestone on my project. The wings were finally mated
to the fuselage for the first time. We had about 7 people for the task and
it wound up being a smooth operation. I used the support idea from Jack
Phillips (adjustable using threaded allrod) and the adjustable electrical
conduit for the temporary struts from Lowell Frank.
The wings are now in rig and today I will be finishing up the aileron
cables.
Attached are a few pictures. As often as I have been around Piets, I was
still not prepared for how big it really is once the wings are on.
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Looks great, Rick. What is that project in the hangar with you, a Fairchild
24?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 10:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wings are on!
Yesterday was another milestone on my project. The wings were finally
mated to the fuselage for the first time. We had about 7 people for the
task and it wound up being a smooth operation. I used the support idea
from Jack Phillips (adjustable using threaded allrod) and the adjustable
electrical conduit for the temporary struts from Lowell Frank.
The wings are now in rig and today I will be finishing up the aileron
cables.
Attached are a few pictures. As often as I have been around Piets, I was
still not prepared for how big it really is once the wings are on.
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Looks great Rick congrats. When you get a minute could you take some
close up pics of the adjustable wing support for the group. Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rick
Schreiber
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 8:07 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wings are on!
Yesterday was another milestone on my project. The wings were finally
mated to the fuselage for the first time. We had about 7 people for the
task and it wound up being a smooth operation. I used the support idea
from Jack Phillips (adjustable using threaded allrod) and the adjustable
electrical conduit for the temporary struts from Lowell Frank.
The wings are now in rig and today I will be finishing up the aileron
cables.
Attached are a few pictures. As often as I have been around Piets, I was
still not prepared for how big it really is once the wings are on.
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| Subject: | Wing brace wires |
Thanks to all who responded about the wing brace wires. I will be going
with 1/8 inch aslo.
Rick Schreiber
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That is great news! As Jack said...it is great motivation for us whom are still
building!
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wings are on! |
On 2/21/2012 9:18 AM, Jack Phillips wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Jack Phillips"<pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
> Looks great, Rick. What is that project in the hangar with you, a Fairchild
> 24?
>
>
Jack:
Its a 1936 cabin class Waco. I'm not up on all the Waco letter
designations, but if your interested I'll find out. The tail feathers
went on the Waco just after my wings went on. Right now the hangar holds
a L-2, a Stinson Voyager, the Waco and my Piet. Normally there is a
Cessna 205 in place of the Stinson. Space is getting tight so I need to
sart covering soon. Today I need to make and install my aileron balance
cable and the wing rib tapes. Next will be the pitot tube and the jury
strut attacments. Then the wings are off for cover.
Rick Schreiber
VPZ
Valparaiso, IN
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Looking good Rick!- I placed the wings on my plane for the first time las
t summer. I took them back off to continue work inside my shop. I neglected
to do a few minor things, so they will be going on AGAIN this summer!
It's a great to see it all coming together.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Wings are on! |
On 2/21/2012 9:26 AM, brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
>
> Looks great Rick congrats. When you get a minute could you take some
> close up pics of the adjustable wing support for the group. Thanks.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
>
>
Brian:
Here is a picture of the wing/strut support. The main body of the strut
is made from 3/4 inch electrical conduit. It was cut about 1 foot short.
Inside of this is 1/2 inch conduit that is about 3 feet long. The 1/2
inch conduit is drilled and attaches to the wing. The 3/4 inch conduit
is drilled and slotted and attaches to the fuselage. A small hose clamp
is placed around the 1/2 inch conduit and tightened for adjustment.
The temporary wing support made from 2 x 4's is also visible. I was
going to just use c clamps for adjustments, but since I already had the
threaded allrods I went ahead and used them. The ease of adjustment for
setting dihedral and washout is nice. I also used a digital level to rig
the wing. As Mike Cuy has said before a very useful tool. Mine is
borrowed, but if I didn't have access I would go buy one.
By the way, notice I have the 2x4 bracing and the conduit struts still
in place. I'm sure the conduit will support the wings by themselves, but
its sort of like wearing belts and suspenders. Plus there is some much
building activity in the hangar it helps protect the wings.
Regards,
Rick Schreiber
VPZ
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Wings are on! |
Rick, congratulations on this milestone. A work of art. Too bad you have
to cover up all that fine woodwork. Cheers, Ken
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 8:51 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Looking good Rick! I placed the wings on my plane for the first time last
> summer. I took them back off to continue work inside my shop. I neglected
> to do a few minor things, so they will be going on AGAIN this summer!
>
> It's a great to see it all coming together.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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While I'm on the subject of wings. I had my wing center section
completed for a long time except for the trailing edge. I couldn't
decide if I was going with a cutout, a flop or nothing at all - just a
straight trailing edge. My cabane struts are extended 2 inches. I
attached the partially completed center section, mocked up the wing
bottom next to the center section and tried getting into the fuselage. I
did this on a number of occasions and everything seemed to work OK with
just a straight trailing edge, so thats how I finished the center
section. I located a step on the right longeron after much testing and
mockups. Again the centersection with the straight trailing edge worked
fine for getting into the cockpit.
Well time marched on ... I have gotten a little bigger, a little stiffer
but I don't think any taller. I now decided that trying to get into and
out of the cockpit without a cutout or flop was getting pretty
difficult. After much had wringing, I decided to put in a flop. The
actual instal was not too bad, but certainly would have been easier if I
had planned on doing this from the beginning. Attached is a photo of how
it turned out.
Rick Schreiber
VPZ
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: Wings are on! |
Really cool Rick!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Wing brace wires |
The strut brace wires perform the exact same function as the drag/anti-drag wires
in the wings. They keep the rectangular box formed by the struts, the fuselage,
and the wing compression struts (sort of a box on an angle) from going parallelogram
on you. The short struts from the cabanes to the engine mount also
assist in keeping the whole wing assembly square and true. Cubs and Aeroncas
don't need the strut braces because the triangle formed with the wing is a
stable geometric shape and their equivalent of our "center section" is the tube
structure of the fuselage which is pretty darn rigid in comparison.
Your are correct that the cables are redundant but they are redundant to the diagonal
on the cabanes, not the lift struts.
I'm thinking 1/8 is a pretty reasonable number.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Wings are on! |
What a big day, Rick.
Cool!
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: More wing info |
Rick you are smart man. I put a cut out in my wing and didn't think it was necessary.
When I assembled it and started a preliminary W&B I had to move the wing
back 4 inches. That made it a lot harder to get in and out of. Proud of the
cut out now.............
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: More wing info |
On 2/21/2012 11:30 AM, Rick Schreiber wrote:
> While I'm on the subject of wings. I had my wing center section
> completed for a long time except for the trailing edge. I couldn't
> decide if I was going with a cutout, a flop or nothing at all - just a
> straight trailing edge. My cabane struts are extended 2 inches. I
> attached the partially completed center section, mocked up the wing
> bottom next to the center section and tried getting into the fuselage.
> I did this on a number of occasions and everything seemed to work OK
> with just a straight trailing edge, so thats how I finished the center
> section. I located a step on the right longeron after much testing and
> mockups. Again the centersection with the straight trailing edge
> worked fine for getting into the cockpit.
>
> Well time marched on ... I have gotten a little bigger, a little
> stiffer but I don't think any taller. I now decided that trying to get
> into and out of the cockpit without a cutout or flop was getting
> pretty difficult. After much had wringing, I decided to put in a flop.
> The actual instal was not too bad, but certainly would have been
> easier if I had planned on doing this from the beginning. Attached is
> a photo of how it turned out.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> VPZ
> Valparaiso, IN
I built a flop into mine too. I don't use it getting in, but it sure
helps when its time to get out!
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Wings are on! |
VERY NICE..... inspiring
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Throttle Linkage |
Does anyone out there have a picture of how their throttle linkage is hooked
up? Specifically, I'm thinking of using a rod for control in both cockpits.
How does this transition to cable and the carb?
Thanks,
Jack
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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| Subject: | Throttle Linkage |
Jack,
I did not provide throttle control for the front, but it would have been
possible to weld a small handle on the tubing. The rod transitions to a
cable with a "wire grip",
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/wiregrip.php.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 5:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Linkage
Does anyone out there have a picture of how their throttle linkage is hooked
up? Specifically, I'm thinking of using a rod for control in both cockpits.
How does this transition to cable and the carb?
Thanks,
Jack
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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Jack,
Check out http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_1044_JPG.jpg. This shows the
front throttle/Mix etc. The cables have clevis fork rod ends at each end.
The rear one (http://www.cpc-world.com/images/IMG_0996_JPG.jpg) is the same
except rods/rod ends connect the levers. I had a standard clevis fork rod
end on the carb end.
I managed to get a clevis pin through the two rod ends and the lever on the
front levers by cutting one of the forks off the rod end making it into a
single connection J shaped as opposed to U shaped. Sorry I don't have any
pictures.
Hope that helps.
Peter
Wonthaggi Australia
http://www.cpc-world.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, 22 February 2012 12:45 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Linkage
Does anyone out there have a picture of how their throttle linkage is hooked
up? Specifically, I'm thinking of using a rod for control in both cockpits.
How does this transition to cable and the carb?
Thanks,
Jack
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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