---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 02/22/12: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:35 AM - Re: Throttle Linkage (Jack) 2. 04:02 AM - Re: First flight (John Kuhfahl) 3. 04:49 AM - Re: Throttle Linkage (BRETT PHILLIPS) 4. 05:02 AM - Re: Throttle Linkage (Jack Phillips) 5. 05:33 AM - Throttle Linkage (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 6. 05:43 AM - Re: Throttle Linkage (pineymb) 7. 06:25 AM - Re: Wings are on! (Mark Stanley) 8. 06:38 AM - a little more inspiration for Douwe (Dan Yocum) 9. 06:40 AM - Re: More wing info (C N Campbell) 10. 07:12 AM - Tony Bingelis: Firewall Forward Throttle Linkage (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 11. 08:56 AM - Re: Throttle Linkage (BYD) 12. 08:58 AM - Re: More wing info (BYD) 13. 09:11 AM - Re: Tony Bingelis: Firewall Forward Throttle Linkage (Jack@textors.com) 14. 09:26 AM - My Flop cutout (Ben Charvet) 15. 06:32 PM - Re: My Flop cutout (K5YAC) 16. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: My Flop cutout (Clif Dawson) 17. 10:43 PM - Air Camper NX13691 (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:17 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Linkage Perfect Gary and Peter thanks! Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2012 7:45 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Linkage Does anyone out there have a picture of how their throttle linkage is hooked up? Specifically, I'm thinking of using a rod for control in both cockpits. How does this transition to cable and the carb? Thanks, Jack Jack Textor DSM NX1929T ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:35 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: First flight From: John Kuhfahl Very nice. You should be proud! I am only a re-builder, and still, there is nothing nicer than that "it really flies" moment. John On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 9:45 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > That is great news! As Jack said...it is great motivation for us whom are > still building! > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > - > > > * > > * > > -- John Kuhfahl, Lt Col USAF (Ret), President, KUHLCOUPER LLC ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:49:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Linkage From: BRETT PHILLIPS I believe Bill Knight's Air Camper uses a single rod with knobs for both cockpits. Sorry I don't have any pictures, but as I recall it is a very simple arrangement that doesn't seem to get in the way as much as a lever or quadrant can. Brett Phillips ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:41 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Linkage That's what Mike Cuy uses as well. Similar to a Taylor Cub. I used the far more advanced J-3 Cub as my model, with a rod between the two throttle quadrants, and a cable from the front quadrant to the carburetor Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of BRETT PHILLIPS Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 7:49 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Linkage I believe Bill Knight's Air Camper uses a single rod with knobs for both cockpits. Sorry I don't have any pictures, but as I recall it is a very simple arrangement that doesn't seem to get in the way as much as a lever or quadrant can. Brett Phillips ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:07 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Linkage I used an 1/8" 4130 steel rod for my throttle control which is joined to a commercial (ACS or Wicks) throttle cable assembly via an aluminum connector that is threaded on both sides (like a t urnbuckle but with locking jamb nuts on either end) The connector was home made. The wooden ball (a drawer pull knob from Lowe's) is attached with an Adell clamp to the throttle rod. Mike C. (photo is of the passenger cockpit) [cid:image001.png@01CCF13C.75BF60F0] ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Throttle Linkage From: "pineymb" Jack This is what I did on my first Piet project and although it was a bit of work making push-rods and a bell crank, it worked quite well. In hind site I would of used a different quadrant, but had these two on hand. The purpose of the bell-crank was twofold, it reversed the action of the throttle lever and also provided the transition from rod to cable. The throttle cable is a standard push/pull one from ACS with threaded ends. Hope this helps. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366966#366966 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn0049_192.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00339_755.jpg ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:46 AM PST US From: "Mark Stanley" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wings are on! Looking Good Rick! I especially like the first photo.....it's a stupid comment, but it really 'looks vintage', great stuff! Mark Stanley Japan do not archive -----Original Message----- From: Rick Schreiber Sent: Wednesday, February 22, 2012 12:06 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wings are on! Yesterday was another milestone on my project. The wings were finally mated to the fuselage for the first time. We had about 7 people for the task and it wound up being a smooth operation. I used the support idea from Jack Phillips (adjustable using threaded allrod) and the adjustable electrical conduit for the temporary struts from Lowell Frank. The wings are now in rig and today I will be finishing up the aileron cables. Attached are a few pictures. As often as I have been around Piets, I was still not prepared for how big it really is once the wings are on. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:53 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little more inspiration for Douwe As I clearly state in the video, "Gep to work on your plane!": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DLGrLdN6AI&feature=g-upl&context=G25a499cAUAAAAAAAAAA do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:11 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: More wing info Ben, where did you hinge your flop? My ribs have a reinforcing member running from the bottom cap strip forward to the top cap strip, the bottom member is about 18 inches from the trailing edge (see attachment). I was thinking of putting my flop in at that diagonal member. Do you think this would allow room for an OLD man to get in and out of the cockpit? Chuck > I built a flop into mine too. I don't use it getting in, but it sure > helps when its time to get out! > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:16 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tony Bingelis: Firewall Forward Throttle Linkage As you all know I get royalties every time I mention Tony's books (right!) but once again it dawned on me that these books are perfect for just about every question we face building airplanes including the throttle question. What I love is that Tony gives you two or three ways to tackle a particular task and then you can adapt whatever is best to your desires, airplane, and expenses. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:56:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Throttle Linkage From: "BYD" Jack, I obtained a generic choke cable from a local auto parts store and broke the plastic handle off and then flattened that end then drilled a hole in it for a clevis pin. The metal rod from the throttle quadrant terminates in a fork end into which the flattened end fits and a clevis pin goes through to hold them together. The choke cable provides an acceptable firewall penetration with its normal mounting hardware and you have a wire ending at the carburetor for mounting to the linkage. A clamp to hold the outer sheathing is simple to make allowing adjustment. Simple and cheap but may not be to standards for some. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366987#366987 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:58:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More wing info From: "BYD" Rick, I made the same decision at the same time. BHP has been quoted as stating that a cutout is equivalent to shortening the wings by two feet. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=366988#366988 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:43 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tony Bingelis: Firewall Forward Throttle Linkage From: "Jack@textors.com" I agree Mike! I did check Tony out but I really appreciate other ideas as well. Thanks! Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Feb 22, 2012, at 9:11 AM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" wrote: > > As you all know I get royalties every time I mention Tony's books (right!) > but once again it dawned on me that these books are perfect for just about > every question we face building airplanes including the throttle question. > > What I love is that Tony gives you two or three ways to tackle a particular > task and then you can adapt whatever is best to your desires, airplane, and > expenses. > > Mike C. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:26:52 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: My Flop cutout I added a spar to the center section where the aileron spar is, Made the angled side pieces out of scrap 3/4 inch lumber routed out on the side that doesn't show to decrease weight. The flop itself is made out of aluminum and was pretty easy to fabricate with a small brake I borrowed from a friend. A simple piano hinge on the front edge, and a simple slide to hold it in place. Like I said in my previous post, my wing is 4 inches back from vertical and I can get into the pilots seat without opening the flop, but when getting out I open it and use the cabanes to pull myself upright before stepping out. Ben Charvet ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:32:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Flop cutout From: "K5YAC" I did a similar thing with mine... installed a spar where the aileron spar would be, but I really didn't want a flop so I just left it open. One thing I did do was install a handle (a piece of 1.25x.049 4130 tube that will be pinned), but I'm not actually sure that it will be necessary or even useful. I didn't really think about using the cabane struts. The hole is no big deal... I suppose I could cover it with fabric and never worry about it. I'm not sure who all has a handle up there, but for those that do, does anyone find it useful? -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367020#367020 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/fp05092011a00048_586.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:49 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Flop cutout Well, here's my flop. Open areas will be covered, top and bottom, with thin lexan. As for getting in and out, the process will be to put right foot in step right behind cockpit, swing left leg onto seat, bring right leg in, turn around and sit down. Reverse when necessary. One can even stand there and salute if the Majah happens by. Clif - STILL workin on the d#@ brakes! :-) > I did a similar thing with mine... installed a spar where the aileron spar > would be, but I really didn't want a flop so I just left it open. > Mark > Chouinard ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:07 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Air Camper NX13691 Like Don and others, I find 13691 to be the perfect example of an Air Camper and what we all aspire to. So clean, so simple, so perfect in all her lines. And would you just zoom in on the tailwheel and notice the dried grass still hanging from the tail skid? Sigh. This is what Pietenpoling truly is all about. I miss my airplane. June can't come soon enough, when I will make my way down to Texas to retrieve Scout. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.