---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/23/12: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:10 AM - Re: My Flop cutout (Dale McCleskey) 2. 05:28 AM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (AircamperN11MS) 3. 10:29 AM - Pietenpol accesories (Ben Charvet) 4. 10:37 AM - Re: Pietenpol accesories (tools) 5. 10:59 AM - Re: Pietenpol accesories (TOM STINEMETZE) 6. 11:09 AM - Pietenpol Accessories (Ben Charvet) 7. 11:09 AM - Re: Pietenpol accesories (Michael Perez) 8. 11:23 AM - Continental Teledyne Rant (Michael Perez) 9. 11:24 AM - Re: Pietenpol Accessories (Michael Perez) 10. 11:29 AM - Re: Pietenpol accesories (Ben Charvet) 11. 11:32 AM - Re: Continental Teledyne Rant (Ben Charvet) 12. 11:51 AM - Re: Continental Teledyne Rant (steve@wotelectronics.com) 13. 12:04 PM - Re: Pietenpol accesories (Bill Church) 14. 12:06 PM - Re: Continental Teledyne Rant (Bill Church) 15. 02:41 PM - Progress bragging! If you call it progress? (Kyle85) 16. 04:59 PM - Re: Progress bragging! If you call it progress? (Gboothe5) 17. 06:11 PM - Re: Progress bragging! If you call it progress? (Jack) 18. 06:36 PM - Nice one Mr. Textor (Greg Cardinal) 19. 06:53 PM - Re: Nice one Mr. Textor (kevinpurtee) 20. 07:00 PM - Re: Pietenpol Accessories (Clif Dawson) 21. 07:28 PM - Re: Nice one Mr. Textor (K5YAC) 22. 08:35 PM - Throttle Linkage (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:10:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: My Flop cutout From: "Dale McCleskey" Mark, as to usefulness, I use mine every time I get in the plane. I like your design because you have angular edges, will be easier to cover. I cut out a curve and then had a heck of a time covering it and don't like the job I did. As for a hand hold, I simply used a hardware store dowel. I guess if I'd gotten used to climbing in with the cabanes I'd be happy with that, but the dowel sure makes it easier for me to drag my old body into N7035N. do not archive. -------- Dale McCleskey N7035N Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367045#367045 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:28:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage From: "AircamperN11MS" Hi Earl, Thanks for that. I have never heard it explained. It clears it up for me. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367047#367047 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol accesories From: Ben Charvet Finally finished with my appropriate transportation to the airport. Does thi s qualify me as a Continental guy and a Model A guy both? Ben Charvet Do not archive Sent from my iPhone



________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol accesories From: "tools" Well, it probably oughta! Are you going to paint "Truck Rides" on the Piet? Fly around the countryside and see if you can drum up some business. I've never had a ride in a Model A pickup truck, I'd go for it... Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367076#367076 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:58 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol accesories ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:55 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Accessories Some day I'll learn how to not send upside down pictures off the stupid smart-phone Ben Do not archive ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:55 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol accesories Very nice! Are you going to take the truck to shows or just enjoy it through driving around? Did you do a complete restoration, (frame off...if you will) or just cosmetically? Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:59 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental Teledyne Rant So, feeling that a new, updated 2011 version of the A-65/75 Continental eng ine overhaul manual would be best, I went right to the source to check one out. On the website, the manual, (X30008,) is described as being 78 pages a nd in a three ring binder. I like the 3 ringed idea so that I could pop out the pages I needed for the work I would be doing that day, lay the pages o ut on the counter, and not have to touch them. (For $80.00, I would like to keep them clean.) A few days ago, the manual arrived. Noticing that the package was only abou t 3/4 of an inch thick, I knew it was no three ring binder. Upon opening, I saw a spiral wound manual.- (so much for taking out the pages.)- Flipp ing to the back, I see page number 68.- I was expecting to see 78, as adv ertised. Doing some quick math, it turns out that if I count EVERY FACE OF EVERY PAGE the manual is made of, I get 78 pages. This includes the cover, inside cover, index pages ,inside back cover and outside back cover. Oh...a nd...I also included the page(s) marked "This page left blank intentionally ."- I don't even think this/these pages even had a page number of any sor t. Anyhoo, I'm not pleased. So far Continental has not returned my inquiry ema il. Rant over...as you were. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:54 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Accessories Hold the phone upside down when you send them. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:00 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol accesories It was nearly a frame off restoration. Had parts spread all over for the painting. I've taken it to one car show. It looks really great from 20 ft, but its not a show car. My dad had a Model A when I was a kid, and I've been wanting one for a while. Just an observation: The Model A is to any modern car what the Pietenpol is to the Cessna 172. Still if you love Piets, you'd love the Model A. I mean whats the fun in flying a 172? Ben Do not archive On 2/23/2012 2:08 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > Very nice! Are you going to take the truck to shows or just enjoy it > through driving around? > > Did you do a complete restoration, (frame off...if you will) or just > cosmetically? > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:53 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental Teledyne Rant Well, I know its too late now, but you could just print the pages in question off the pdf file that Don Emch posted last week: Ben Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_65_overhaul_manual_193.pdf _- On 2/23/2012 2:23 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > So, feeling that a new, updated 2011 version of the A-65/75 > Continental engine overhaul manual would be best, I went right to the > source to check one out. On the website, the manual, (X30008,) is > described as being 78 pages and in a three ring binder. I like the 3 > ringed idea so that I could pop out the pages I needed for the work I > would be doing that day, lay the pages out on the counter, and not > have to touch them. (For $80.00, I would like to keep them clean.) > > A few days ago, the manual arrived. Noticing that the package was only > about 3/4 of an inch thick, I knew it was no three ring binder. Upon > opening, I saw a spiral wound manual. (so much for taking out the > pages.) Flipping to the back, I see page number 68. I was expecting > to see 78, as advertised. Doing some quick math, it turns out that if > I count EVERY FACE OF EVERY PAGE the manual is made of, I get 78 > pages. This includes the cover, inside cover, index pages ,inside back > cover and outside back cover. Oh...and...I also included the page(s) > marked "This page left blank intentionally." I don't even think > this/these pages even had a page number of any sort. > > Anyhoo, I'm not pleased. So far Continental has not returned my > inquiry email. > > Rant over...as you were. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:51:25 AM PST US From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Continental Teledyne Rant I understand your frustration Michael, especially when it was $80. However, I consider us all fortunate to have ANY support whatsoever from a manufacturer that developed and sold these engines about 80 years ago. After nearly a century, that in itself is impressive, especially considering the poor state of our legal system and the liability involved for the manufacturer. Continental certainly stands to make no profit from anything related to these engines, however they do create some new liability by printing these manuals. The people who did profit from the manufacture of these engines are mostly dead if not all dead. >From a purely business standpoint, it makes no sense to support these engines at all. They probably only do so because there are some airplane loving guys at Continental (they sure aren't there for the profits)! A strict businessman would've kicked us to the curb long ago. I'm not sure I can think of a manufacturer of any product who supports something they made 80 years ago. I'm sure they exist, but it is by far the exception, not the rule. Just my $.02. :) Steve Ruse Norman, OK On Thu, 23 Feb 2012 14:32:43 -0500, Ben Charvet wrote: > Well, I know its too late now, but you could just print the pages in question off the pdf file that Don Emch posted last week: > > Ben > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_65_overhaul_manual_193.pdf [2] > > _- > > On 2/23/2012 2:23 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > >> So, feeling that a new, updated 2011 version of the A-65/75 Continental engine overhaul manual would be best, I went right to the source to check one out. On the website, the manual, (X30008,) is described as being 78 pages and in a three ring binder. I like the 3 ringed idea so that I could pop out the pages I needed for the work I would be doing that day, lay the pages out on the counter, and not have to touch them. (For $80.00, I would like to keep them clean.) >> >> A few days ago, the manual arrived. Noticing that the package was only about 3/4 of an inch thick, I knew it was no three ring binder. Upon opening, I saw a spiral wound manual. (so much for taking out the pages.) Flipping to the back, I see page number 68. I was expecting to see 78, as advertised. Doing some quick math, it turns out that if I count EVERY FACE OF EVERY PAGE the manual is made of, I get 78 pages. This includes the cover, inside cover, index pages ,inside back cover and outside back cover. Oh...and...I also included the page(s) marked "This page left blank intentionally." I don't even think this/these pages even had a page number of any sort. >> >> Anyhoo, I'm not pleased. So far Continental has not returned my inquiry email. >> >> Rant over...as you were. >> >> Michael Perez >> Karetaker Aero >> www.karetakeraero.com [1] > > -- > Ben Charvet, PharmD > Staff Pharmacist > Parrish Medical center > > Links: ------ [1] http://www.karetakeraero.com [2] http://forums.matronics.com//files/a_65_overhaul_manual_193.pdf ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:04:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol accesories From: "Bill Church" It'll never get off the ground, Ben. BC do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367086#367086 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:06:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Continental Teledyne Rant From: "Bill Church" this page left blank intentionally do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367087#367087 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:41:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress bragging! If you call it progress? From: "Kyle85" Last weekend I went up to Iowa to visit the rest of my family in Boone. My dad and I made our down to the "Woodsmith Store" In Des Moines where I bought some 5/4 rough cut(6") Douglas fir. It cost $25.00 for a five foot length. I cut it and half and started my center section. My dad, who has no interest in aviation helped me use his planer and jointer to get the lumber to spec. After seeing the beauty of the wood after the first pass through the planer I will no doubt buy the remaining spars and longerons from this store. And best of all they come in 16 ft lengths at no charge for the "lengthy" boards. Here are some photos. The ribs are not done and I know they do not "match" but I am not sure if I am going to put the reinforced ribs on the center section as I plan on webbing them the plywood anyway. -------- Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367096#367096 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0408_104.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0411_187.jpg ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:59:36 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress bragging! If you call it progress? Kyle, Congrats on finding a local alternative! I, too, used DF spar material, with overall satisfaction. My only suggestion is to be very selective, and choose boards that all have similar (good) grain pattern. I was not so selective, and, though all my boards were within AC43.13 spec's, one was definitely of lesser quality...that one later warped. Best wishes... Gary from Cool NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle85 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 2:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress bragging! If you call it progress? Last weekend I went up to Iowa to visit the rest of my family in Boone. My dad and I made our down to the "Woodsmith Store" In Des Moines where I bought some 5/4 rough cut(6") Douglas fir. It cost $25.00 for a five foot length. I cut it and half and started my center section. My dad, who has no interest in aviation helped me use his planer and jointer to get the lumber to spec. After seeing the beauty of the wood after the first pass through the planer I will no doubt buy the remaining spars and longerons from this store. And best of all they come in 16 ft lengths at no charge for the "lengthy" boards. Here are some photos. The ribs are not done and I know they do not "match" but I am not sure if I am going to put the reinforced ribs on the center section as I plan on webbing them the plywood anyway. -------- Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367096#367096 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0408_104.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0411_187.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:25 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress bragging! If you call it progress? Kyle I've purchased wood from the same store, good wood, very expensive. Swing by Lowe's next time you are in town they have a pretty good selection of Douglas fir, although just 3/4". Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kyle85 Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress bragging! If you call it progress? Last weekend I went up to Iowa to visit the rest of my family in Boone. My dad and I made our down to the "Woodsmith Store" In Des Moines where I bought some 5/4 rough cut(6") Douglas fir. It cost $25.00 for a five foot length. I cut it and half and started my center section. My dad, who has no interest in aviation helped me use his planer and jointer to get the lumber to spec. After seeing the beauty of the wood after the first pass through the planer I will no doubt buy the remaining spars and longerons from this store. And best of all they come in 16 ft lengths at no charge for the "lengthy" boards. Here are some photos. The ribs are not done and I know they do not "match" but I am not sure if I am going to put the reinforced ribs on the center section as I plan on webbing them the plywood anyway. -------- Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367096#367096 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0408_104.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0411_187.jpg ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 06:36:16 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice one Mr. Textor Hey Jack, Nice picture on AVWEB this morning! Greg Cardinal Minneapolis http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/potw/PictureOfTheWeek_206219-1.html Do not archive ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:53:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nice one Mr. Textor From: "kevinpurtee" Heck, yeah! You go, Jack! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367108#367108 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:00:24 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Accessories Phew! For a minute there I thought you where in Australia. Clif do not archive > Some day I'll learn how to not send upside down pictures off the stupid > smart-phone > > Ben > Do not archive > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:28:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nice one Mr. Textor From: "K5YAC" Hubba Hubba... Dooba Dooba! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367110#367110 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:47 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Linkage Jack, if you haven't already fabricated your throttle linkage setup and you're still fishing for ideas, there are some pictures of the setup that Ernie Moreno's Piet has, on my website. His is set up with no cables at all... all rods, bellcranks, and solid connections. Not advocating for that, just saying it may provide an idea or two. Not everyone will agree with the final link between the bellcrank on the firewall and the carb butterfly lever because it is not a straight rod; it has an offset bent into it. I can understand the need to avoid that in control linkages where you can fail a member by applying enough force to kink it at the bend, but I can't imagine ever developing that much force trying to open or close a carb butterfly. Anyway, if you go to http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/piets.html and scroll down to the bottom, there's a link to the firewall forward pictures and one of them shows the throttle linkage. Go to the bottom of that page and there's a link to the cockpit pix and you'll see a couple that show how Ernie's is set up. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.