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1. 02:56 AM - Re: Nice one Mr. Textor (Jack)
2. 04:12 AM - Re: Nice one Mr. Textor (Jerry Dotson)
3. 07:01 AM - waterproofing hinge locations (Timothy Willis)
4. 07:49 AM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (Ken Bickers)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (airlion)
6. 08:42 AM - Fuel system sealing (Andrew Eldredge)
7. 10:01 AM - Re: Fuel system sealing (Jerry Dotson)
8. 10:13 AM - Engine Push Rod Length (Michael Perez)
9. 10:17 AM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (Hans Van Der Voort)
10. 10:56 AM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (C N Campbell)
11. 11:57 AM - Continental engine cooling eyebrow drawings--inexpensive! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
12. 12:16 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Jack Phillips)
13. 12:36 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (Mild Bill)
14. 01:17 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (AircamperN11MS)
15. 01:19 PM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (AircamperN11MS)
16. 02:20 PM - Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. (Mild Bill)
17. 02:27 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Gene Rambo)
18. 02:32 PM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. (Ryan Mueller)
19. 02:37 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Dave Nielsen)
20. 02:40 PM - Re: Mike Cuy (Ron Eisaman)
21. 02:48 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Ryan Mueller)
22. 03:09 PM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. (Mild Bill)
23. 03:21 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (Mild Bill)
24. 04:33 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Michael Perez)
25. 05:05 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Graham Hansen)
26. 06:28 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (jarheadpilot82)
27. 08:17 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Jack Phillips)
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Subject: | Nice one Mr. Textor |
They were nice in person!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Cardinal
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice one Mr. Textor
Hey Jack,
Nice picture on AVWEB this morning!
Greg Cardinal
Minneapolis
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/potw/PictureOfTheWeek_206219-1.html
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Subject: | Re: Nice one Mr. Textor |
They what????
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | waterproofing hinge locations |
I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
material to keep water from leaking:
-- under screws into wooden parts;
-- through the hinge and into the compartment?
In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
in the wood under the aileron hinges?
Tim in central TX
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Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
Tim, mine isn't flying yet so no real world experience with how well
this works. What I did was to dab spar varnish into and around all of
the holes where I attached the piano hinge to the flop section. I
know some fellas prefer to use eye liner brushes. I used q-tips.
Cheers, Ken
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com> wrote:
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> I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
> at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
> compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
> material to keep water from leaking:
> -- under screws into wooden parts;
> -- through the hinge and into the compartment?
>
> In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
> in the wood under the aileron hinges?
> Tim in central TX
>
>
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Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
Tim, you might consider a plastic hinge and glueing it down. Gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, February 24, 2012 10:00:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations
I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
material to keep water from leaking:
-- under screws into wooden parts;
-- through the hinge and into the compartment?
In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
in the wood under the aileron hinges?
Tim in central TX
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Subject: | Fuel system sealing |
I'm working on sealing up my fuel system. I have a few slow leaks from my
gascolator. ACS has EZTurn Lubricant, but I've found a local source for
another fuel system sealant
http://www.gsasupplyco.com/gaethse.html
Can anyone tell me If this would be safe to use? The world of sealants and
adhesives is strange to me. I can't seem to pin down equivalents. It
seems like a world of "gray stuff in tube, blue stuff in can"
Thanks for your help.
--
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
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Subject: | Re: Fuel system sealing |
Andrew the website specs look good. I use LocTite 567. It is pricey but I have
a lot of experience with it and it is good stuff. I am not saying that the LocTite
stuff is better. I have no idea about that.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard pus
h rods and +.030" push rods.- Any idea how I can determine what length pu
sh rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual.
Michael Perez
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
Dip all screws in varnish right before you use them, screw them wet in to t
he wood.
This will avoid to some extend moisture getting in to the wood.
Second varnish/ paint over the screw, seal it
Thirdly, make sure water can drain out of any and all compartments !
your weight and balance will change with water collecting in low spots
If your park your plane outside use cockpit covers.
Lastly don't fly in the rain
Hans
NX 15KV
-----Original Message-----
From: Timothy Willis <timwillis01@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 9:04 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations
>
I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
t the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
ompartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
aterial to keep water from leaking:
- under screws into wooden parts;
- through the hinge and into the compartment?
In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
n the wood under the aileron hinges?
im in central TX
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Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
Tim, where is all this water coming from? Certainly you're not going to fly
your Piet in the rain. If you tie it down outside (like I might have to for
a while until I can get hanger space) cover everything up with plastic
tarps.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Timothy Willis" <timwillis01@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations
> <timwillis01@gmail.com>
>
> I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
> at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
> compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
> material to keep water from leaking:
> -- under screws into wooden parts;
> -- through the hinge and into the compartment?
>
> In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
> in the wood under the aileron hinges?
> Tim in central TX
>
>
>
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Subject: | Continental engine cooling eyebrow drawings--inexpensive! |
Stumbled upon this at the Cub Club web site. This is a deal. This is f
or DRAWINGS....not the actual parts
to make the cooling eyebrows.
https://www.cub-club.com/blueprint/Blueprint%20Listing.10.pdf
See page 3.
[cid:image001.png@01CCF304.8B617320]
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Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table of
Limits in it. You'll find the information you need there.
>From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length of
10.797" to 10.827". The serviceable limit length is 10.785"
To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the
engine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and the
rocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is
supposed to be between 0.030" and 0.110". If your clearance is more than
0.110" you will need the longer pushrod.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard push
rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push
rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
Scott -
What airfoil section does your Air Camper use?
I'm having a hard time envisioning that center section matching up smoothly with
wings having any of the usual suspects, namely, Pietenpol FC-10, Clark Y, USA
35B, USA 27, NACA 4412, NACA 2412, Riblett 612, and Riblett 613.5.
Incidentally, y'all can find find plots of a great many airfoil sections (though not the FC-10 nor any Riblett sections) here: http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/coord_database.html
And find out which airplanes use which sections (including the FC-10 and various Riblett sections) here: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~akmitra/aero361/design_web/airfoil_usage.htm
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Bill Frank
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Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
Hello Bill,
Actually I used cub wings built from the REED Clipped Wing plans. Wood Spars and
aluminum ribs and Piet style tips. I have a 27' span. The center center section
is all wood and I have used foam and cloth to fare-in and shape the cut
out above the pilot seat. I also have a Cessna 140 wing tank in the center section
for fuel. The nose tank is from an Opal Cadet car and it holds 10 gallons.
That gives me 22.5 Gallons usable.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
What Hans said
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. |
Happened across this while browsing the 'net for pictures of Pietenpols.
http://www.abpic.co.uk/popup.php?q=1031240
Say it ain't so, with that anteater nose and peculiarly enclosed cockpit. My first
impression was that someone had stolen the lower wings off one of those long-nosed
Grumman/Schweizer Ag-Cats.
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/001892.html
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Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
Jack=2C if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters=2C they are mech
anical=2C so your plan does not work. Gene do not archive
From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
Michael=2C that expensive overhaul manual
you bought should have a Table of Limits in it. You=92ll find the
information you need there.
>From looking at mine=2C I find that the
pushrods (new) should have a length of 10.797=94 to 10.827=94.
The serviceable limit length is 10.785=94
To determine if you need the oversize
pushrods=2C you will have to have the engine assembled=2C and measure the c
learance
between the valve stem and the rocker arm=2C with the hydraulic lifter full
y deflated.
The clearance is supposed to be between 0.030=94 and 0.110=94. If
your clearance is more than 0.110=94 you will need the longer pushrod.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia
From:
owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Per
ez
Sent: Friday=2C February 24=2C 2012
1:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine
Push Rod Length
The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that
I can buy standard push rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I
can determine what length push rods I currently have? I see no specs. giv
en
in the manual.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. |
It tried to put itself out of it's own misery:
http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id 080717X01061&key=1
Ryan
do not archive
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Mild Bill <whfrank@charter.net> wrote:
>
> Happened across this while browsing the 'net for pictures of Pietenpols.
>
> http://www.abpic.co.uk/popup.php?q=1031240
>
> Say it ain't so, with that anteater nose and peculiarly enclosed cockpit.
> My first impression was that someone had stolen the lower wings off one of
> those long-nosed Grumman/Schweizer Ag-Cats.
>
> http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/001892.html
>
> --------
> Bill Frank
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367172#367172
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Engine Push Rod Length |
You are about to get jumped on, big time. A- 65's most certainly do have
hydralic lifters
Dave Nielsen
sentuchows@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 5:28 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
Jack, if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters, they are mechanic
al, so your plan does not work.
Gene
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From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table of L
imits in it. You=99ll find the information you need there.
>From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length o
f 10.797=9D to 10.827=9D. The serviceable limit length is 10.
785=9D
To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the e
ngine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and the r
ocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is supp
osed to be between 0.030=9D and 0.110=9D. If your clearance is
more than 0.110=9D you will need the longer pushrod.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard pus
h rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push
rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual.
Michael Perez
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Wanted to say "hello", Mike. I see you are still pushin' Tony's books (G
ot mine-love them) and that you have many saying "anyhoo" (me included). Yo
u've really made a difference throughout the years. Just wanted to acknowle
dge that.
Anyhoo, I'm gonna go read my Tony B. books.
Ron Eisaman
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Subject: | Re: Engine Push Rod Length |
Wrong Gene, they are hydraulic....
On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> Jack, if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters, they are
> mechanical, so your plan does not work.
>
> Gene
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> do not archive
>
> ------------------------------
> From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
> Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:15:15 -0500
>
>
> Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table
> of Limits in it. You=92ll find the information you need there.
>
>
> From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length
> of 10.797=94 to 10.827=94. The serviceable limit length is 10.785=94
>
>
> To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the
> engine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and th
e
> rocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is
> supposed to be between 0.030=94 and 0.110=94. If your clearance is more
than
> 0.110=94 you will need the longer pushrod.
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
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>
> *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Perez
> *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
>
>
> The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard
> push rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length
> push rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual.
>
> Michael Perez
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. |
Well, that's sad, even if the appearance was pretty far removed from the classic
Model A powered Air Camper.
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Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
That's odd.
The Piper Cub reportedly started with a standard USA 35B airfoil, but the airfoil
was later modified - in 1943 according to some sources, but my March, 1941
Aero Digest Annual Digest states "USA 35B modified airfoil section."
At any rate, the modification was apparently only to the upper surface, slightly
raising the contour so the peak is at 9.36% of chord above the chord line rather
than 9%. Here's a drawing of the modified airfoil (the dimensions are in
inches rather than percentages of chord):
http://www.supercubproject.com/drawings/pdfs/A3310184.pdf
The characteristic undercamber of the original USA 35B is still there. It's not
much, but I thought it would show up more clearly in those gorgeous pictures
you posted. Even when I hold a straight edge up to the screen I can't really make
out any deviation along the rib bottoms in that last picture.
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Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
Thank you Jack...I see it now.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Engine Push Rod Length |
Gene,
I have worked on and flown Continental A-65 engines for over 60 years
and they ALL had "Zero Lash" hydraulic lifters. Jack's information is
correct.
Cheers,
Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN)
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Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
Scott,
I just looked at your pictures and did not see the door you installed on the left
side, front seat. Did you install it later, or am I just missing it?
If you have any better pictures of the door from your 200 rebuild, it would be
greatly appreciated.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
Wrong. The A65 most definitely does have hydraulic lifters.
Jack
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
Jack, if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters, they are
mechanical, so your plan does not work.
Gene
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From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table of
Limits in it. You'll find the information you need there.
>From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length of
10.797" to 10.827". The serviceable limit length is 10.785"
To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the
engine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and the
rocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is
supposed to be between 0.030" and 0.110". If your clearance is more than
0.110" you will need the longer pushrod.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard push
rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push
rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual.
Michael Perez
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