---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/24/12: 27 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:56 AM - Re: Nice one Mr. Textor (Jack) 2. 04:12 AM - Re: Nice one Mr. Textor (Jerry Dotson) 3. 07:01 AM - waterproofing hinge locations (Timothy Willis) 4. 07:49 AM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (Ken Bickers) 5. 07:50 AM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (airlion) 6. 08:42 AM - Fuel system sealing (Andrew Eldredge) 7. 10:01 AM - Re: Fuel system sealing (Jerry Dotson) 8. 10:13 AM - Engine Push Rod Length (Michael Perez) 9. 10:17 AM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (Hans Van Der Voort) 10. 10:56 AM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (C N Campbell) 11. 11:57 AM - Continental engine cooling eyebrow drawings--inexpensive! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 12. 12:16 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Jack Phillips) 13. 12:36 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (Mild Bill) 14. 01:17 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (AircamperN11MS) 15. 01:19 PM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (AircamperN11MS) 16. 02:20 PM - Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. (Mild Bill) 17. 02:27 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Gene Rambo) 18. 02:32 PM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. (Ryan Mueller) 19. 02:37 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Dave Nielsen) 20. 02:40 PM - Re: Mike Cuy (Ron Eisaman) 21. 02:48 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Ryan Mueller) 22. 03:09 PM - Re: Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. (Mild Bill) 23. 03:21 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (Mild Bill) 24. 04:33 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Michael Perez) 25. 05:05 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Graham Hansen) 26. 06:28 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (jarheadpilot82) 27. 08:17 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Jack Phillips) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:04 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Nice one Mr. Textor They were nice in person! Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice one Mr. Textor Hey Jack, Nice picture on AVWEB this morning! Greg Cardinal Minneapolis http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/potw/PictureOfTheWeek_206219-1.html Do not archive ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:12:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Nice one Mr. Textor From: "Jerry Dotson" They what???? do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367119#367119 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations From: Timothy Willis I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill material to keep water from leaking: -- under screws into wooden parts; -- through the hinge and into the compartment? In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes in the wood under the aileron hinges? Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations From: Ken Bickers Tim, mine isn't flying yet so no real world experience with how well this works. What I did was to dab spar varnish into and around all of the holes where I attached the piano hinge to the flop section. I know some fellas prefer to use eye liner brushes. I used q-tips. Cheers, Ken On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 8:00 AM, Timothy Willis wrote: > > I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge > at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage > compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill > material to keep water from leaking: > -- under screws into wooden parts; > -- through the hinge and into the compartment? > > In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes > in the wood under the aileron hinges? > Tim in central TX > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:44 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations Tim, you might consider a plastic hinge and glueing it down. Gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Timothy Willis Sent: Fri, February 24, 2012 10:00:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill material to keep water from leaking: -- under screws into wooden parts; -- through the hinge and into the compartment? In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes in the wood under the aileron hinges? Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:44 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuel system sealing From: Andrew Eldredge I'm working on sealing up my fuel system. I have a few slow leaks from my gascolator. ACS has EZTurn Lubricant, but I've found a local source for another fuel system sealant http://www.gsasupplyco.com/gaethse.html Can anyone tell me If this would be safe to use? The world of sealants and adhesives is strange to me. I can't seem to pin down equivalents. It seems like a world of "gray stuff in tube, blue stuff in can" Thanks for your help. -- Andrew Eldredge Provo, UT ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuel system sealing From: "Jerry Dotson" Andrew the website specs look good. I use LocTite 567. It is pricey but I have a lot of experience with it and it is good stuff. I am not saying that the LocTite stuff is better. I have no idea about that. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367144#367144 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:13:38 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard pus h rods and +.030" push rods.- Any idea how I can determine what length pu sh rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations From: Hans Van Der Voort Dip all screws in varnish right before you use them, screw them wet in to t he wood. This will avoid to some extend moisture getting in to the wood. Second varnish/ paint over the screw, seal it Thirdly, make sure water can drain out of any and all compartments ! your weight and balance will change with water collecting in low spots If your park your plane outside use cockpit covers. Lastly don't fly in the rain Hans NX 15KV -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Willis Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 9:04 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations > I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge t the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage ompartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill aterial to keep water from leaking: - under screws into wooden parts; - through the hinge and into the compartment? In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes n the wood under the aileron hinges? im in central TX -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:24 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations Tim, where is all this water coming from? Certainly you're not going to fly your Piet in the rain. If you tie it down outside (like I might have to for a while until I can get hanger space) cover everything up with plastic tarps. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Timothy Willis" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 10:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations > > > I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge > at the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage > compartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill > material to keep water from leaking: > -- under screws into wooden parts; > -- through the hinge and into the compartment? > > In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes > in the wood under the aileron hinges? > Tim in central TX > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:57:54 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Continental engine cooling eyebrow drawings--inexpensive! Stumbled upon this at the Cub Club web site. This is a deal. This is f or DRAWINGS....not the actual parts to make the cooling eyebrows. https://www.cub-club.com/blueprint/Blueprint%20Listing.10.pdf See page 3. [cid:image001.png@01CCF304.8B617320] ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:16:06 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table of Limits in it. You'll find the information you need there. >From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length of 10.797" to 10.827". The serviceable limit length is 10.785" To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the engine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and the rocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is supposed to be between 0.030" and 0.110". If your clearance is more than 0.110" you will need the longer pushrod. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard push rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:36:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage From: "Mild Bill" Scott - What airfoil section does your Air Camper use? I'm having a hard time envisioning that center section matching up smoothly with wings having any of the usual suspects, namely, Pietenpol FC-10, Clark Y, USA 35B, USA 27, NACA 4412, NACA 2412, Riblett 612, and Riblett 613.5. Incidentally, y'all can find find plots of a great many airfoil sections (though not the FC-10 nor any Riblett sections) here: http://www.ae.illinois.edu/m-selig/ads/coord_database.html And find out which airplanes use which sections (including the FC-10 and various Riblett sections) here: http://www.public.iastate.edu/~akmitra/aero361/design_web/airfoil_usage.htm -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367162#367162 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:17:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage From: "AircamperN11MS" Hello Bill, Actually I used cub wings built from the REED Clipped Wing plans. Wood Spars and aluminum ribs and Piet style tips. I have a 27' span. The center center section is all wood and I have used foam and cloth to fare-in and shape the cut out above the pilot seat. I also have a Cessna 140 wing tank in the center section for fuel. The nose tank is from an Opal Cadet car and it holds 10 gallons. That gives me 22.5 Gallons usable. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367166#367166 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010527_808.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1010496_735.jpg ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: waterproofing hinge locations From: "AircamperN11MS" What Hans said -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367167#367167 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:20:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. From: "Mild Bill" Happened across this while browsing the 'net for pictures of Pietenpols. http://www.abpic.co.uk/popup.php?q=1031240 Say it ain't so, with that anteater nose and peculiarly enclosed cockpit. My first impression was that someone had stolen the lower wings off one of those long-nosed Grumman/Schweizer Ag-Cats. http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/001892.html -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367172#367172 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:54 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Jack=2C if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters=2C they are mech anical=2C so your plan does not work. Gene do not archive From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Michael=2C that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table of Limits in it. You=92ll find the information you need there. >From looking at mine=2C I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length of 10.797=94 to 10.827=94. The serviceable limit length is 10.785=94 To determine if you need the oversize pushrods=2C you will have to have the engine assembled=2C and measure the c learance between the valve stem and the rocker arm=2C with the hydraulic lifter full y deflated. The clearance is supposed to be between 0.030=94 and 0.110=94. If your clearance is more than 0.110=94 you will need the longer pushrod. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Per ez Sent: Friday=2C February 24=2C 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard push rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push rods I currently have? I see no specs. giv en in the manual. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:32:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. From: Ryan Mueller It tried to put itself out of it's own misery: http://www.ntsb.gov/aviationquery/brief.aspx?ev_id 080717X01061&key=1 Ryan do not archive On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:19 PM, Mild Bill wrote: > > Happened across this while browsing the 'net for pictures of Pietenpols. > > http://www.abpic.co.uk/popup.php?q=1031240 > > Say it ain't so, with that anteater nose and peculiarly enclosed cockpit. > My first impression was that someone had stolen the lower wings off one of > those long-nosed Grumman/Schweizer Ag-Cats. > > http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/001892.html > > -------- > Bill Frank > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367172#367172 > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:22 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length From: Dave Nielsen You are about to get jumped on, big time. A- 65's most certainly do have hydralic lifters Dave Nielsen sentuchows@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 5:28 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Jack, if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters, they are mechanic al, so your plan does not work. Gene do not archive From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table of L imits in it. You=99ll find the information you need there. >From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length o f 10.797=9D to 10.827=9D. The serviceable limit length is 10. 785=9D To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the e ngine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and the r ocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is supp osed to be between 0.030=9D and 0.110=9D. If your clearance is more than 0.110=9D you will need the longer pushrod. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard pus h rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual. 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I see you are still pushin' Tony's books (G ot mine-love them) and that you have many saying "anyhoo" (me included). Yo u've really made a difference throughout the years. Just wanted to acknowle dge that. Anyhoo, I'm gonna go read my Tony B. books. Ron Eisaman do not archive ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length From: Ryan Mueller Wrong Gene, they are hydraulic.... On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 4:27 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Jack, if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters, they are > mechanical, so your plan does not work. > > Gene > > do not archive > > ------------------------------ > From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 15:15:15 -0500 > > > Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table > of Limits in it. You=92ll find the information you need there. > > > From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length > of 10.797=94 to 10.827=94. The serviceable limit length is 10.785=94 > > > To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the > engine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and th e > rocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is > supposed to be between 0.030=94 and 0.110=94. If your clearance is more than > 0.110=94 you will need the longer pushrod. > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Michael Perez > *Sent:* Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length > > > The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard > push rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length > push rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual. > > Michael Perez > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List* > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * > > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listht tp://forums.matronics.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 03:09:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Air Camper boggled my mind. From: "Mild Bill" Well, that's sad, even if the appearance was pretty far removed from the classic Model A powered Air Camper. -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367179#367179 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:21:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage From: "Mild Bill" That's odd. The Piper Cub reportedly started with a standard USA 35B airfoil, but the airfoil was later modified - in 1943 according to some sources, but my March, 1941 Aero Digest Annual Digest states "USA 35B modified airfoil section." At any rate, the modification was apparently only to the upper surface, slightly raising the contour so the peak is at 9.36% of chord above the chord line rather than 9%. Here's a drawing of the modified airfoil (the dimensions are in inches rather than percentages of chord): http://www.supercubproject.com/drawings/pdfs/A3310184.pdf The characteristic undercamber of the original USA 35B is still there. It's not much, but I thought it would show up more clearly in those gorgeous pictures you posted. Even when I hold a straight edge up to the screen I can't really make out any deviation along the rib bottoms in that last picture. -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367180#367180 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:10 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Thank you Jack...I see it now. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:25 PM PST US From: "Graham Hansen" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Gene, I have worked on and flown Continental A-65 engines for over 60 years and they ALL had "Zero Lash" hydraulic lifters. Jack's information is correct. Cheers, Graham Hansen (Pietenpol CF-AUN) DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:28:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage From: "jarheadpilot82" Scott, I just looked at your pictures and did not see the door you installed on the left side, front seat. Did you install it later, or am I just missing it? If you have any better pictures of the door from your 200 rebuild, it would be greatly appreciated. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367195#367195 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:04 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Wrong. The A65 most definitely does have hydraulic lifters. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Jack, if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters, they are mechanical, so your plan does not work. Gene do not archive _____ From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table of Limits in it. You'll find the information you need there. >From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length of 10.797" to 10.827". The serviceable limit length is 10.785" To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the engine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and the rocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is supposed to be between 0.030" and 0.110". If your clearance is more than 0.110" you will need the longer pushrod. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard push rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual. 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