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1. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: waterproofing hinge locations (C N Campbell)
2. 04:15 AM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (helspersew@aol.com)
3. 05:13 AM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (Hans Van Der Voort)
4. 07:05 AM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Jack Phillips)
5. 10:49 AM - good to see folks STICKING with it!!!!!! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
6. 12:48 PM - Tire size (Jack@textors.com)
7. 01:09 PM - Re: Tire size (Dave Nielsen)
8. 01:32 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (AircamperN11MS)
9. 03:35 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Michael Perez)
10. 03:41 PM - Engine Progress (Michael Perez)
11. 04:22 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (jarheadpilot82)
12. 04:37 PM - Gear Question (Jack)
13. 05:06 PM - Re: Gear Question (Gary Boothe)
14. 05:08 PM - Re: Engine Progress (Dave Nielsen)
15. 05:57 PM - Thanks for all the encouragement boys, it's working!! (Douwe Blumberg)
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| Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
What did Hans say? I missed that one. C
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From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:18 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: waterproofing hinge locations
> <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
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> What Hans said
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> Scott Liefeld
> Flying N11MS since March 1972
> Steel Tube
> C-85-12
> Wire Wheels
> Brodhead in 1996
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367167#367167
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Push Rod Length |
I might as well pile-on too............. Gene, you are wrong. The A-65 does
have hydraulic lifters.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 4:28 pm
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
Jack, if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters, they are mechanic
al, so your plan does not work.
Gene
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard pus
h rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push
rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual.
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| Subject: | Re: waterproofing hinge locations |
Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 12:17 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations
Dip all screws in varnish right before you use them, screw them wet in to t
he wood.
This will avoid to some extend moisture getting in to the wood.
Second varnish/ paint over the screw, seal it
Thirdly, make sure water can drain out of any and all compartments !
your weight and balance will change with water collecting in low spots
If your park your plane outside use cockpit covers.
Lastly don't fly in the rain
Hans
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Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 9:04 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations
>
I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge
t the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage
ompartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill
aterial to keep water from leaking:
- under screws into wooden parts;
- through the hinge and into the compartment?
In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes
n the wood under the aileron hinges?
im in central TX
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| Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
Sorry for piling on, Gene. I responded before seeing how many people had
already responded.
I must admit, when I rebuilt my A65 I was somewhat astonished at the level
of sophistication the little engine has. Prior to assembling that engine, I
would have assumed it had mechancial lifters as well (it certainly has
enough of that old "Continental Clatter" to have solid lifters like a
Volkswagon). I well remember checking all 8 valve lifter assemblies for
proper leak down time before assembling my engine. Those "Zero Lash"
lifters are what allows such a wide range of clearance between the valve
stem and the rocker arm, and all that data came straight from the
Continental overhaul manual.
You may have been thinking about the 65 Lycoming. I don't know if its
lifters were solid or hydraulic, because I've never taken one of those
apart.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:15 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
Wrong. The A65 most definitely does have hydraulic lifters.
Jack
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:28 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
Jack, if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters, they are
mechanical, so your plan does not work.
Gene
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table of
Limits in it. You'll find the information you need there.
>From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length of
10.797" to 10.827". The serviceable limit length is 10.785"
To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the
engine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and the
rocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is
supposed to be between 0.030" and 0.110". If your clearance is more than
0.110" you will need the longer pushrod.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length
The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard push
rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push
rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual.
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | good to see folks STICKING with it!!!!!! |
Good to see your name on the list Ron and that you're still building and shooting
for the ultimate goal of flying your
own homebuilt airplane!!
Douwe B. is a good example of sticking with it. Lots of guys I can't even begin
to list but good to see them staying with
the dream even if it gets delayed a few years by life's events. So cool to see
more Pietenpols coming along in the 'mill' and
production shops around the country and world!
Mike C.
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PS-- the REAL fun begins once you start taxi testing and getting ready to fly.
Finishing your airplane is only the halftime break folks:)!
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Can anyone tell me the diameter of 600-6 tires?
Thanks
Jack Textor
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15"
Dave Nielsen
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Can anyone tell me the diameter of 600-6 tires?
hanks
Jack Textor
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| Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
Terry,
I totally forgot to send you more pics of my door. If you look at the last pic
you will see a little of it on the R/S of the Fuse. We get in and out of my
plane on the R/S. I don't know why we do. Maybe from flying Cubs so much.
Any way I am suppose to fly down to French Valley tomorrow to visit their EAA
group and their Piet. I will try to take some more detailed pics then.
Did you end up purchasing the steel tube project?
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Engine Push Rod Length |
As you all may already know, this is my first go around with rebuilding my
own AC engine. I am learning new things about the A65 every day. I tend to
speed read through the manual trying to take it all in. Then I flip back an
d forth from the parts breakdown pages, the table of limits and the Trade A
Plane that have places selling parts.- Now that I am starting the overha
ul/reassembly process, I will take my time and READ the manual.- I have o
ther questions, but prior to posting, I will make sure the manual doesn't c
over it!
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As with others, I agree these are some very well thought out engines...the
wide spec. range of the lifter/valve train assembly being one of them.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Crew,
I sent one crank shaft and one cam shaft on their way for inspection and re
quired maintenance, they should arrive by this time next week. After inspec
tion, I will get a call advising me of what needs to be done to the parts.
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Monday or Tuesday, I will be taking a set of crank case halves and some oth
er parts to a local AC overhaul facility for cleaning as well as steel part
s for magnafluxing. Other items I am currently handling myself. I hope in a
bout two weeks, I can start some re-assembly.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage |
Scott,
Yes, I did. I have attached some photos of the fuselage. Mike Frazier, the guy
I bought it from did a very nice job. I drove up to WV to get it, and spent the
night with Skip and Cinda Gadd, who were gracious hosts and allowed me to spend
the night with them. Skip was a great help in eyeballing the fuselage for
me and helping confirm the quality. Thanks again, Skip and Cinda. You were a great
help.
I have not been able to do any work on the plane as I had hoped. I had a 2-level
fusion in my neck (Very sudden and unplanned) followed by a bout with kidney
stones (even more unplanned and more painful!). I am having more trouble with
the FAA over the kidney stones than the neck surgery, but hope to be back to
work flying soon.
Any way, here are a couple of photos. I am pleased and think the quality is great,
and it will be great to fly. As you can see , I will need to go back and modify
for the door, but I think that it will be well worth it.
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Do Not Archive
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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Hello all hope you can help with a question. If you look at the attached
picture you will see the bolt holding my gear spring assembly together is
resting on the bolt head and nut. Should I use a longer bolt (rather not)
so the stress is on the bolt shaft? Or fashion a pin with cotter keys on
each end? If I do that should it be 4130 rod? I tried to cut the head off
an AN bolt tonight and they are hard! If I do the pin, should I harden
after cutting and drilling? Could it be soft steel? So many questions,
thanks for your expertise!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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Longer clevis pin, with washer and cotter on one end?
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear Question
Hello all hope you can help with a question. If you look at the attached
picture you will see the bolt holding my gear spring assembly together is
resting on the bolt head and nut. Should I use a longer bolt (rather not)
so the stress is on the bolt shaft? Or fashion a pin with cotter keys on
each end? If I do that should it be 4130 rod? I tried to cut the head off
an AN bolt tonight and they are hard! If I do the pin, should I harden
after cutting and drilling? Could it be soft steel? So many questions,
thanks for your expertise!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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| Subject: | Re: Engine Progress |
Mike, I hope your engine project goes better then mine did. I took the engi
ne apart and did what you did. It took six weeks for them to call and tell
me my crank was cracked. Another three weeks to find and buy a second crank
. Back down to Texas with it and four weeks later they called and said the
need additional repair.
Then they sent the wrong bearings. I had to send them back and get the righ
t bearings. What a mess. It took until about a month ago to get it all back
together. Just a whole series of bad breaks. It started on the third blad
e. It sat there and ran, all the trouble was forgotten
Dave Nielsen
sentuchows@aol.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:41 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Progress
Crew,
I sent one crank shaft and one cam shaft on their way for inspection and re
quired maintenance, they should arrive by this time next week. After inspec
tion, I will get a call advising me of what needs to be done to the parts.
Monday or Tuesday, I will be taking a set of crank case halves and some oth
er parts to a local AC overhaul facility for cleaning as well as steel part
s for magnafluxing. Other items I am currently handling myself. I hope in a
bout two weeks, I can start some re-assembly.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Thanks for all the encouragement boys, it's working!! |
Thanks all for your pics and stories. I especially appreciated Dan's personalized
video!!
Well, it has all helped light the fire under me for the big final push. got the
engine pretty much hooked up and once I get the pesky oil pressure hardware
in and hooked up, and some prop bolts I can do an engine run!!
Just want to run it while the fuse is bare so it's easy to fix any leaks or wiring
mistakes.
I anticipate being ready to run it within three weeks.
Then it's basically finishing all my little fixes and mods on the fuse, cover the
fuse and tail feathers, paint it and bolt her together!!
I'm really going to aim for a first flight early summer.
Douwe
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