---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 02/25/12: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:13 AM - Re: Re: waterproofing hinge locations (C N Campbell) 2. 04:15 AM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 05:13 AM - Re: waterproofing hinge locations (Hans Van Der Voort) 4. 07:05 AM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Jack Phillips) 5. 10:49 AM - good to see folks STICKING with it!!!!!! (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 6. 12:48 PM - Tire size (Jack@textors.com) 7. 01:09 PM - Re: Tire size (Dave Nielsen) 8. 01:32 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (AircamperN11MS) 9. 03:35 PM - Re: Engine Push Rod Length (Michael Perez) 10. 03:41 PM - Engine Progress (Michael Perez) 11. 04:22 PM - Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage (jarheadpilot82) 12. 04:37 PM - Gear Question (Jack) 13. 05:06 PM - Re: Gear Question (Gary Boothe) 14. 05:08 PM - Re: Engine Progress (Dave Nielsen) 15. 05:57 PM - Thanks for all the encouragement boys, it's working!! (Douwe Blumberg) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:13:25 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: waterproofing hinge locations What did Hans say? I missed that one. C Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "AircamperN11MS" Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 4:18 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: waterproofing hinge locations > > > What Hans said > > -------- > Scott Liefeld > Flying N11MS since March 1972 > Steel Tube > C-85-12 > Wire Wheels > Brodhead in 1996 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367167#367167 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:15:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length From: helspersew@aol.com I might as well pile-on too............. Gene, you are wrong. The A-65 does have hydraulic lifters. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 4:28 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Jack, if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters, they are mechanic al, so your plan does not work. Gene do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard pus h rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual. 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This will avoid to some extend moisture getting in to the wood. Second varnish/ paint over the screw, seal it Thirdly, make sure water can drain out of any and all compartments ! your weight and balance will change with water collecting in low spots If your park your plane outside use cockpit covers. Lastly don't fly in the rain Hans NX 15KV -----Original Message----- From: Timothy Willis Sent: Fri, Feb 24, 2012 9:04 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: waterproofing hinge locations > I will have a baggage compartment in my center wing with a piano hinge t the front. Where have those of you using a center baggage ompartment mounted the hinge, to what, and what (if any) fill aterial to keep water from leaking: - under screws into wooden parts; - through the hinge and into the compartment? In the same vein, what prevents water damage, seeping into screw holes n the wood under the aileron hinges? im in central TX -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:56 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Sorry for piling on, Gene. I responded before seeing how many people had already responded. I must admit, when I rebuilt my A65 I was somewhat astonished at the level of sophistication the little engine has. Prior to assembling that engine, I would have assumed it had mechancial lifters as well (it certainly has enough of that old "Continental Clatter" to have solid lifters like a Volkswagon). I well remember checking all 8 valve lifter assemblies for proper leak down time before assembling my engine. Those "Zero Lash" lifters are what allows such a wide range of clearance between the valve stem and the rocker arm, and all that data came straight from the Continental overhaul manual. You may have been thinking about the 65 Lycoming. I don't know if its lifters were solid or hydraulic, because I've never taken one of those apart. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 11:15 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Wrong. The A65 most definitely does have hydraulic lifters. Jack _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 5:28 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Jack, if they are 65's they don't have hydraulic lifters, they are mechanical, so your plan does not work. Gene do not archive _____ From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length Michael, that expensive overhaul manual you bought should have a Table of Limits in it. You'll find the information you need there. >From looking at mine, I find that the pushrods (new) should have a length of 10.797" to 10.827". The serviceable limit length is 10.785" To determine if you need the oversize pushrods, you will have to have the engine assembled, and measure the clearance between the valve stem and the rocker arm, with the hydraulic lifter fully deflated. The clearance is supposed to be between 0.030" and 0.110". If your clearance is more than 0.110" you will need the longer pushrod. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 1:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length The engines I acquired have no log books. I see that I can buy standard push rods and +.030" push rods. Any idea how I can determine what length push rods I currently have? I see no specs. given in the manual. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:49:16 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: good to see folks STICKING with it!!!!!! Good to see your name on the list Ron and that you're still building and shooting for the ultimate goal of flying your own homebuilt airplane!! Douwe B. is a good example of sticking with it. Lots of guys I can't even begin to list but good to see them staying with the dream even if it gets delayed a few years by life's events. So cool to see more Pietenpols coming along in the 'mill' and production shops around the country and world! Mike C. do not archive PS-- the REAL fun begins once you start taxi testing and getting ready to fly. Finishing your airplane is only the halftime break folks:)! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:48:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tire size From: "Jack@textors.com" Can anyone tell me the diameter of 600-6 tires? Thanks Jack Textor Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:33 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Tire size From: Dave Nielsen 15" Dave Nielsen sentuchows@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Jack@textors.com Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 3:48 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tire size Can anyone tell me the diameter of 600-6 tires? hanks Jack Textor ent from my iPad -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:32:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage From: "AircamperN11MS" Terry, I totally forgot to send you more pics of my door. If you look at the last pic you will see a little of it on the R/S of the Fuse. We get in and out of my plane on the R/S. I don't know why we do. Maybe from flying Cubs so much. Any way I am suppose to fly down to French Valley tomorrow to visit their EAA group and their Piet. I will try to take some more detailed pics then. Did you end up purchasing the steel tube project? -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367257#367257 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:02 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Engine Push Rod Length As you all may already know, this is my first go around with rebuilding my own AC engine. I am learning new things about the A65 every day. I tend to speed read through the manual trying to take it all in. Then I flip back an d forth from the parts breakdown pages, the table of limits and the Trade A Plane that have places selling parts.- Now that I am starting the overha ul/reassembly process, I will take my time and READ the manual.- I have o ther questions, but prior to posting, I will make sure the manual doesn't c over it! - As with others, I agree these are some very well thought out engines...the wide spec. range of the lifter/valve train assembly being one of them. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:41:30 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Progress Crew, I sent one crank shaft and one cam shaft on their way for inspection and re quired maintenance, they should arrive by this time next week. After inspec tion, I will get a call advising me of what needs to be done to the parts. - Monday or Tuesday, I will be taking a set of crank case halves and some oth er parts to a local AC overhaul facility for cleaning as well as steel part s for magnafluxing. Other items I am currently handling myself. I hope in a bout two weeks, I can start some re-assembly. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:22:08 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Naked Piet pics 2000 vintage From: "jarheadpilot82" Scott, Yes, I did. I have attached some photos of the fuselage. Mike Frazier, the guy I bought it from did a very nice job. I drove up to WV to get it, and spent the night with Skip and Cinda Gadd, who were gracious hosts and allowed me to spend the night with them. Skip was a great help in eyeballing the fuselage for me and helping confirm the quality. Thanks again, Skip and Cinda. You were a great help. I have not been able to do any work on the plane as I had hoped. I had a 2-level fusion in my neck (Very sudden and unplanned) followed by a bout with kidney stones (even more unplanned and more painful!). I am having more trouble with the FAA over the kidney stones than the neck surgery, but hope to be back to work flying soon. Any way, here are a couple of photos. I am pleased and think the quality is great, and it will be great to fly. As you can see , I will need to go back and modify for the door, but I think that it will be well worth it. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367266#367266 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn2844_825.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn2840_158.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_0096_2_123.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/fuselage_view2_473.tif ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:42 PM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear Question Hello all hope you can help with a question. If you look at the attached picture you will see the bolt holding my gear spring assembly together is resting on the bolt head and nut. Should I use a longer bolt (rather not) so the stress is on the bolt shaft? Or fashion a pin with cotter keys on each end? If I do that should it be 4130 rod? I tried to cut the head off an AN bolt tonight and they are hard! If I do the pin, should I harden after cutting and drilling? Could it be soft steel? So many questions, thanks for your expertise! Jack Textor DSM NX1929T ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:06:37 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Gear Question Longer clevis pin, with washer and cotter on one end? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Saturday, February 25, 2012 4:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gear Question Hello all hope you can help with a question. If you look at the attached picture you will see the bolt holding my gear spring assembly together is resting on the bolt head and nut. Should I use a longer bolt (rather not) so the stress is on the bolt shaft? Or fashion a pin with cotter keys on each end? If I do that should it be 4130 rod? I tried to cut the head off an AN bolt tonight and they are hard! If I do the pin, should I harden after cutting and drilling? Could it be soft steel? So many questions, thanks for your expertise! Jack Textor DSM NX1929T <<...>> ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:53 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Engine Progress From: Dave Nielsen Mike, I hope your engine project goes better then mine did. I took the engi ne apart and did what you did. It took six weeks for them to call and tell me my crank was cracked. Another three weeks to find and buy a second crank . Back down to Texas with it and four weeks later they called and said the need additional repair. Then they sent the wrong bearings. I had to send them back and get the righ t bearings. What a mess. It took until about a month ago to get it all back together. Just a whole series of bad breaks. It started on the third blad e. It sat there and ran, all the trouble was forgotten Dave Nielsen sentuchows@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez Sent: Sat, Feb 25, 2012 6:41 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Engine Progress Crew, I sent one crank shaft and one cam shaft on their way for inspection and re quired maintenance, they should arrive by this time next week. After inspec tion, I will get a call advising me of what needs to be done to the parts. Monday or Tuesday, I will be taking a set of crank case halves and some oth er parts to a local AC overhaul facility for cleaning as well as steel part s for magnafluxing. Other items I am currently handling myself. I hope in a bout two weeks, I can start some re-assembly. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:47 PM PST US From: Douwe Blumberg Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thanks for all the encouragement boys, it's working!! Thanks all for your pics and stories. I especially appreciated Dan's personalized video!! Well, it has all helped light the fire under me for the big final push. got the engine pretty much hooked up and once I get the pesky oil pressure hardware in and hooked up, and some prop bolts I can do an engine run!! Just want to run it while the fuse is bare so it's easy to fix any leaks or wiring mistakes. I anticipate being ready to run it within three weeks. Then it's basically finishing all my little fixes and mods on the fuse, cover the fuse and tail feathers, paint it and bolt her together!! I'm really going to aim for a first flight early summer. 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