Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 02/28/12


Total Messages Posted: 17



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:09 AM - Re: Re: Gear Question (Jack)
     2. 04:25 AM - Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage (Greg Cardinal)
     3. 04:32 AM - Re: New Carb (bender)
     4. 06:31 AM - Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage (mhough)
     5. 06:31 AM - Re: Re: Gear Question (Hans Van Der Voort)
     6. 06:35 AM - Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage (Hans Van Der Voort)
     7. 07:32 AM - Re: Re: Gear Question (Jack@textors.com)
     8. 09:28 AM - Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage (Catdesigns)
     9. 10:37 AM - ford spewing water (Douwe Blumberg)
    10. 04:45 PM - buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question) (Lascaster)
    11. 05:24 PM - Re: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question) (C N Campbell)
    12. 05:24 PM - Re: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question) (Kringle)
    13. 05:40 PM - Re: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question) (Jack)
    14. 06:09 PM - Re: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question) (Lascaster)
    15. 07:01 PM - Re: Model-A starting problem (BYD)
    16. 07:35 PM - Re: Re: Model-A starting problem (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
    17. 07:39 PM - Re: Re: Model-A starting problem (Brett Phillips)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:09:27 AM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: Re: Gear Question
    Thanks Bill, Chris and others for your thoughts! I used Han's design (can't locate the print currently). Think I will use a longer bolt. Or... a hardened pin with cotter keys. Thanks again! Jack Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:14 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gear Question Jack, I would say that the arrangement in your photo is not ideal. I'm not crazy about the idea of that washer acting on the nut and the head of the bolt. Best not to impose bending loads on the bolt. Would be better to use a longer bolt, like you say, but what would prevent the bolt from sliding over to one end or the other?. I much prefer the arrangement shown in Mike's photo, with a sleeve, and hole located away from the washer. That way the bolt is only loaded in shear. The two designs (Bingelis and Buckeye) mentioned in this old thread utilize a similar method, with a sleeve. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329387#329387 Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367390#367390


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    Time: 04:25:12 AM PST US
    From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage
    The floor cross members coincide with the fuselage uprights. Where are you located? Greg Cardinal Minneapolis ----- Original Message ----- From: "mhough" <mhough@bucksales.net> Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 10:32 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage > > Hello everybody, > > First time here. I am building the extended fuselage version of the Piet > and am confused about where to place the floor bracing. The original plans > have the side bracing and struts starting at 10" back. The extended > version starts at 12" back. The orignial plans start the floor bracing > with white ash 10" back. > I can not find where the floor bracing should be on the extended version. > Seems to me it should be at the 12" mark like the side bracing and struts. > Any help would be greatly appreciated! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367413#367413 > > >


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    Time: 04:32:38 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: New Carb
    From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
    I drive a 1930 AA and it won't idle as slow as the piet.. I'd bet there are are leaks around the throttle shaft in the carb i was using... that seems to be a common idle prob. I really thought about rebuilding the tillotson or a marvel i have around, then decided why mess with an 80 year old carb when i can get a brand new carb with better tolerances and now wear. I'd bet your intake is fine.. jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367428#367428


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    Time: 06:31:30 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage
    From: "mhough" <mhough@bucksales.net>
    Thanks Greg, Every image I looked at has the braces lined up with the uprights, but I could not confirm it on the drawings. I am located in Waterford, Michigan. My home airport is PTK. Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367433#367433


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    Time: 06:31:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gear Question
    From: Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo@aol.com>
    Jack The print is right where I left it: http://mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFil es/Landing%20gear%20spring.pdf And I use a AN 5 long bolt as seen on the print, 300+ landings. Inspected every year. Hans NX15KV Waller, TX -----Original Message----- From: Jack <jack@textors.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:11 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gear Question Thanks Bill, Chris and others for your thoughts! I used Han's design (can't ocate the print currently). Think I will use a longer bolt. Or... a ardened pin with cotter keys. hanks again! ack Jack Textor SM X1929T o not archive -----Original Message----- rom: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church ent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:14 PM o: pietenpol-list@matronics.com ubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gear Question > Jack, I would say that the arrangement in your photo is not ideal. I'm not crazy bout the idea of that washer acting on the nut and the head of the bolt. est not to impose bending loads on the bolt. Would be better to use a onger bolt, like you say, but what would prevent the bolt from sliding over o one end or the other?. I much prefer the arrangement shown in Mike's hoto, with a sleeve, and hole located away from the washer. That way the olt is only loaded in shear. he two designs (Bingelis and Buckeye) mentioned in this old thread utilize similar method, with a sleeve. ttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329387#329387 Bill C. ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367390#367390 -======================== -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 06:35:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage
    From: Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo@aol.com>
    The floor braces are there to handle compression loads from the landing gea r. They should line up with the landing gear/ wing strut attach points, Hans NX15KV Waller, TX -----Original Message----- From: mhough <mhough@bucksales.net> Sent: Mon, Feb 27, 2012 10:33 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage Hello everybody, First time here. I am building the extended fuselage version of the Piet a nd am onfused about where to place the floor bracing. The original plans have the ide bracing and struts starting at 10" back. The extended version starts at 12" ack. The orignial plans start the floor bracing with white ash 10" back. can not find where the floor bracing should be on the extended version. Se ems o me it should be at the 12" mark like the side bracing and struts. Any he lp ould be greatly appreciated! ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367413#367413 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 07:32:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Gear Question
    From: "Jack@textors.com" <jack@textors.com>
    Sounds like a plan, thank Hans! Jack Textor Sent from my iPad Do not archive On Feb 28, 2012, at 8:31 AM, Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo@aol.com> wrote: > Jack > > The print is right where I left it: http://mykitplane.com/Planes/PeoplesFi les/Landing%20gear%20spring.pdf > > And I use a AN 5 long bolt as seen on the print, 300+ landings. > Inspected every year. > > Hans > > NX15KV > Waller, TX > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack <jack@textors.com> > To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 6:11 am > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gear Question > > > Thanks Bill, Chris and others for your thoughts! I used Han's design (can' t > locate the print currently). Think I will use a longer bolt. Or... a > hardened pin with cotter keys. > Thanks again! > Jack > > Jack Textor > DSM > NX1929T > do not archive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Churc h > Sent: Monday, February 27, 2012 3:14 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Gear Question > a> > > Jack, > > I would say that the arrangement in your photo is not ideal. I'm not crazy > about the idea of that washer acting on the nut and the head of the bolt. > Best not to impose bending loads on the bolt. Would be better to use a > longer bolt, like you say, but what would prevent the bolt from sliding ov er > to one end or the other?. I much prefer the arrangement shown in Mike's > photo, with a sleeve, and hole located away from the washer. That way the > bolt is only loaded in shear. > The two designs (Bingelis and Buckeye) mentioned in this old thread utiliz e > a similar method, with a sleeve. > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=329387#329387 > > Bill C. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367390#367390 > > > > > > > > > > > > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 09:28:52 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Floor Bracing on extended fuselage
    From: "Catdesigns" <Catdesigns@att.net>
    Hans is correct. Make sure the ash cross braces line up with the landing gear/wing strut location. I had to add another piece for rear mount because the best location is bisected by the rear seat. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/06010002.JPG Chris -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367456#367456


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    Time: 10:37:02 AM PST US
    From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: ford spewing water
    Did you up the forward steam relief tube to the "front" of the head. mine did the same thing because I didn't think i needed to hook it up on the test stand and it would do the "old faithful" geyser thing from time to time at high rpm. it will definitely kick some out until the water level finds its' "happy place". MOST guys do not use pressure caps with the thinking that the added pressure can contribute to the occasional leaky or blown gasket somewhere in the system, and it doesn't need it. I know one guy who put a relief valve in the rad cap that was set at something like 3 lbs thinking that the pressure would help with with cooler running, but would be low enough to not stress the system. Douwe


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    Time: 04:45:03 PM PST US
    Subject: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question)
    From: "Lascaster" <lascaster@gmail.com>
    Hey guys, so I'm about to order my first lot of wood, I'm going to start with the tail section. My question is, when I was looking for spruce at wicks and aircraft spruce, all I see is cap strips. is all the wood considered cap strip stock? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367488#367488


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    Time: 05:24:22 PM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question)
    They also have spar stock. C Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lascaster" <lascaster@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 7:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question) > > Hey guys, so I'm about to order my first lot of wood, I'm going to start > with the tail section. My question is, when I was looking for spruce at > wicks and aircraft spruce, all I see is cap strips. is all the wood > considered cap strip stock? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367488#367488 > > >


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    Time: 05:24:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question)
    From: "Kringle" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    You should be able to find what you need here. The bargain bags of spruce are a pretty good buy as well. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/menus/wp/spruce.html John -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367489#367489


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    Time: 05:40:45 PM PST US
    From: "Jack" <jack@textors.com>
    Subject: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question)
    They list many sizes in the cap strip section, up to 2 1/2 x 1 inch. Larger stock is in the spar area... Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lascaster Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 6:44 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question) Hey guys, so I'm about to order my first lot of wood, I'm going to start with the tail section. My question is, when I was looking for spruce at wicks and aircraft spruce, all I see is cap strips. is all the wood considered cap strip stock? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367488#367488


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    Time: 06:09:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: buying my first bit of wood. (probably a dumb question)
    From: "Lascaster" <lascaster@gmail.com>
    jack(at)textors.com wrote: > They list many sizes in the cap strip section, up to 2 1/2 x 1 inch. Larger > stock is in the spar area... > > Jack Textor > DSM > NX1929T > do not archive > > -- ok, thats exactly what I thought, but I didnt want to wait four weeks for wood to show up and find out its the wrong stuff. Thanks for the quick reply!! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367492#367492


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    Time: 07:01:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model-A starting problem
    From: "BYD" <billsayre@ymail.com>
    Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary ignition system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of advise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial number) finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and heat. Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions. And, as promised; http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493


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    Time: 07:35:33 PM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: Model-A starting problem
    BEAUTIFUL!! That model A sounds great. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem > > Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary ignition system, more propping and more adjustments plus > following multiple paths of advise and opinions, it finally > happened. ANNA (name taken from serial number) finally barked. My > Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and heat. Thank > you all for the ideas and suggestions. > > And, as promised; > > http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:39:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model-A starting problem
    From: Brett Phillips <bphillip@shentel.net>
    Great video! It looks like a distributor was ultimately the weapon of choice. During the last part I could almost watch the engine limber up as you propped and propped and propped away. Give it a couple hours of running and it will feel sloppy in comparison. Great job! Brett Phillips Strasburg, VA




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