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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: Model-A starting problem (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:38 AM - Re: Re: Model-A starting problem (Jim Markle)
3. 05:10 AM - Re: Model-A starting problem (Jerry Dotson)
4. 06:40 AM - Model-A starting problem. (Lawrence Williams)
5. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Model-A starting problem (Rick Holland)
6. 06:48 AM - Engine source (Hans Van Der Voort)
7. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Model-A starting problem (Amsafetyc)
8. 09:18 AM - semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
9. 09:46 AM - Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising (Kyle85)
10. 10:10 AM - Piets in Sport Aviation (Bill Church)
11. 10:12 AM - Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising (helspersew@aol.com)
12. 12:42 PM - Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (K5YAC)
13. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (John Hofmann)
14. 01:51 PM - Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising (Kyle85)
15. 01:54 PM - Re: Model-A starting problem. (BYD)
16. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (Jim Markle)
17. 05:29 PM - Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (K5YAC)
18. 05:36 PM - Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising (jarheadpilot82)
19. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (Gboothe5)
20. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
21. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (Clif Dawson)
22. 10:35 PM - Model-A starting problem (Oscar Zuniga)
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
Hi Bill,
Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right attitud
e. Never give up. Congratulations!!!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary igni
tion
ystem, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of
dvise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial numb
er)
inally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and he
at.
hank you all for the ideas and suggestions.
And, as promised;
http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
TOTALLY AGREE!!! That was SO much fun! Gave me goose bumps....
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From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Feb 29, 2012 7:10 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
Hi Bill,
Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right attitude. Never
give up. Congratulations!!!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com>
Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary ignition
system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of
advise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial number)
finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and heat.
Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions.
And, as promised;
http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
I am happy for you. Sure did bring back boyhood memories. I had an old "29 4 door.....had
to crank it with a hand crank because my battery was not very good.
And like Dan Helsper said "Don't ever give up." I have a printed copy of this
cartoon in my build log.
snipped quote from previous post:
It took until about a month ago to get it all back together. Just a whole series
of bad breaks. It started on the third blade. It sat there and ran, all the
trouble was forgotten
Dave Nielsen
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59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
Started building NX510JD July, 2009
now covering and painting
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Model-A starting problem. |
Ah-h-h-h Billy boy. A proper powerplant making proper noises on a proper ae
roplane is always a sweet thing- to witness. Your video was a wonderful w
ay to start my day, thank you for that.
I was distressed that you didn't follow my advice for your helpers however.
I remember specifically counselling you to use boys in their late teens to
early twenties as they are usually good for up to 45 minutes of hand-propp
ing whereas your choice of grey haired airport bums were probably only able
to pull that thing through 10-15 times before giving up. The young guys sn
ap the prop through much quicker too, which is how you get a magneto to put
out enough spark to light-off the engine..
All in fun, buddy. I'm really happy for you and I know that sharing the tri
als and eventual triumph with your friends at the airport is a large part o
f what sport flying rewards us with.
Congratulations.I'll see you soon-
Larry W. (Top Curmudgeon)
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
Nice work Jim. Wish I could have been there as you were at my place to
witness the first running of mine. However we crank-snapping corvair types
prefer exercising our minds rather than our backs when it comes time to
fly, we use a "relatively" modern invention called an electric starter
(actually first patented in 1911).
rick
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>wrote:
> jim_markle@mindspring.com>
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> TOTALLY AGREE!!! That was SO much fun! Gave me goose bumps....
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: helspersew@aol.com
> Sent: Feb 29, 2012 7:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
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> Hi Bill,
>
> Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right
> attitude. Never give up. Congratulations!!!!!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
>
>
>
> Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary
> ignition
> system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of
> advise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial
> number)
> finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and
> heat.
> Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions.
>
> And, as promised;
>
> http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493
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Castle Rock, Colorado
NX6819Z
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I picked this up this morning on the Bearhawk list.
This guy has a few engines available that would be perfect for a Pietenpol
And at decent prices:
Forwarded message:
________________
As those of you who follow my posts probably know, I am being rather frugal
in
building my Patrol. I had purchased an engine (in my price range) from a gu
y in
Texas named Dan Martinez. He seemed like a great guy to deal with, and all
the
members of the EAA chapter in San Antonio I checked with said he was a grea
t
mechanic.
So I asked Dan if he would send me a list of the other things he was
currently selling. He send me a hand-written list (says he is not
computer-savvy) so I typed it out for him.
So if anyone in the group would be interested ... I placed the list on
my web server
http://poplar.us/DanMartinez.pdf
Bergy
_________________________
Hans
NX15KV
Waller, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem |
Great job loved the video the airplane stuff wasn't bad either.
She sounds and looks great congrats
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Feb 29, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nice work Jim. Wish I could have been there as you were at my place to wit
ness the first running of mine. However we crank-snapping corvair types pref
er exercising our minds rather than our backs when it comes time to fly, we u
se a "relatively" modern invention called an electric starter (actually firs
t patented in 1911).
>
> rick
>
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wr
ote:
m>
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> TOTALLY AGREE!!! That was SO much fun! Gave me goose bumps....
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: helspersew@aol.com
> Sent: Feb 29, 2012 7:10 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right attitu
de. Never give up. Congratulations!!!!!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem
>
>
>
> Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary ign
ition
> system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths o
f
> advise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial nu
mber)
> finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and h
eat.
> Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions.
>
> And, as promised;
>
> http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE
>
>
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>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493
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| Subject: | semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising |
Just a thought, if I paint my Piet in the colors of my daughters company
with advertising on the sides for free would than be considered a commercial
use?
_http://mikebrandolino.suite101.com/gelato-di-babbo---small-town-product-wit
h-international-flair-a402254_
(http://mikebrandolino.suite101.com/gelato-di-babbo---small-town-product-with-international-flair-a402254)
It looks like she's going to be moving her product line into the Chicago,
Detroit and Midwest markets soon and maybe Florida. I think she needs a Piet
to advertise for her
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| Subject: | Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising |
I am shooting from the hip here, but I believe as long as you are not receiving
Money or compensation you are fine to put whatever you want on your airplane. Again
this is very gray ie. you could go to a fly in and park your plane and sit
in front of it and get payed for having a display booth. Just make sure you
don't get paid while flying. Hope this helps
Kyle
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| Subject: | Piets in Sport Aviation |
Just skimming through the digital edition of Sport Aviation that arrived in my
inbox, and a photo of Matt Paxton flying his Piet caught my eye. And then, next
thing I know, there's a three page article written by Mark Chouinard, all about
vacuum bagging. Mark even gave a nod to the bagmaster himself, the illustrious
Mr. Markle.
That's got to be a thrill to have a photo of your airplane (that you built with
your own hands) appear in a magazine like this.
Nice going, gents.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising |
John,
Yes that would be a commercial use. And also, it sounds like she needs to h
ire (you) a CEO in charge of Aerial Advertising.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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-----Original Message-----
From: AMsafetyC <AMsafetyC@aol.com>
Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:18 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising
Just a thought, if I paint my Piet in the colors of my daughters company wi
th advertising on the sides for free would than be considered a commercial
use?
http://mikebrandolino.suite101.com/gelato-di-babbo---small-town-product-wit
h-international-flair-a402254
It looks like she's going to be moving her product line into the Chicago, D
etroit and Midwest markets soon and maybe Florida. I think she needs a Piet
to advertise for her
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in Sport Aviation |
The bagmaster... Ha!
I hope that the article reads well, and gives proper review of this neat process
that Jim shared with us. It really is a fun and easy method.
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in Sport Aviation |
I know this fellow was somewhat "underwhelmed" by Jim's bagging demo.
http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100017
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:42 PM, K5YAC wrote:
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> I hope that the article reads well, and gives proper review of this
neat process that Jim shared with us. It really is a fun and easy
method.
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| Subject: | Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising |
Dan,
Not trying to get into an endless debate or anything, I am just wanting to educate
myself more on this as I have thought of doing something along these lines
as well. But hypothetically; if I painted my airplane John Deere green and yellow
and wrote "nothing runs like a Deere" on it, would it then be considered
a commercial operation to fly that airplane since I am "advertising " for John
Deere tractors? So that would mean no one could fly that airplane without a commercial
ticket? I was sure that If you were not flying for compensation or hire
you did not need a commercial ticket?
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| Subject: | Re: Model-A starting problem. |
Well Top Curmudgeon, I have found that when offering an opportunity to boys in
their late teens to early twenties, unless said opportunity involves an X-Box
or PS3 controller, they rarely have the interest or capability to achieve (there
are exceptions I just couldnt find any quickly enough). The gray haired airport
bums were at least enthusiastic although indeed, a few could not muster
the task at hand. They also come with a plethora of ideas, some of which seem
downright dangerous, that you didnt mention or warn me about. As illustrated
in the video, all worked out and indeed, the rewards were great.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in Sport Aviation |
hahahahahaha, STILL hilarious....
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hofmann
Sent: Feb 29, 2012 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation
I know this fellow was somewhat "underwhelmed" by Jim's bagging demo.
http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100017
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John Hofmann
Vice-President, Information Technology
The Rees Group, Inc.
2424 American Lane
Madison, WI 53704
Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150
Fax: 608.443.2474
Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com
On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:42 PM, K5YAC wrote:
The bagmaster... Ha!
I hope that the article reads well, and gives proper review of this neat process
that Jim shared with us. It really is a fun and easy method.
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in Sport Aviation |
Mr. H. was always a hard sell... he had a screw or two loose.
But the Bagmaster is easily impressed.
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| Subject: | Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising |
Good People,
I have spent way too much time this afternoon researching this, and if you disagree,
you won't hurt my feelings. I believe under the definition of Commercial
operation you are fine to paint it any way you want. The issue with commercial
use is this - are you paid in any way?
For instance, Tools Danford can teach his son to fly his Pietenpol, as long as
Tools pays for the gas, and he is not reimbursed in any way (not that his teenage
son is gonna pay him a dime!). If it is free, it ain't commercial operation,
according to the FAA.
I have attached a few links as well as a document I downloaded from AOPA. It is
AOPA's info, and I give the full credit to them, so I hope they don't pop a cork
if I make it available here.
In my opinion, paint it any way you want, as long as you are not paid IN ANY WAY.
I must say, though, I am not a lawyer, and I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express
last night. [Laughing]
.
Commercial Operator. A person who, for compensation or hire, engages in the carriage
by aircraft in air commerce of persons or property, other than as an air
carrier or foreign air carrier or under the authority of Part 375 of this title.
Where it is doubtful that an operation is for compensation or hire, the test
applied is whether the carriage by air is merely incidental to the person's
other business or is, in itself, a major enterprise for profit.
l
" The FAA has consistently defined commercial operation in terms of whether the
operator receives direct or indirect payment for the operation. It is not necessary
that the operation be conducted for profit or even that there be any intent
or ability to make a profit. The compensation is not just limited to monetary
payments but includes anything of value. This broad definition of compensation
has been affirmed and adopted by both the NTSB and the federal courts. Administrator
v. Roundtree, 2 NTSB 1712 (1975); Administrator v. Mims, NTSB Order
No. EA-3284, review denied 988 F.2d 1380; Consolidated Flower Shipments, Inc.,
Bay Area, 16 C.A.B. 804 (1953), aff'd. 213 F.2d 814 (2nd Cir. 1954)."
Commercial Aeronautical Activity: Any aeronautical activity intended to secure
earnings, income, compensation, or profit, whether or not such objectives are
accomplished.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in Sport Aviation |
How about just, "Bagger," for short...
Gary from Cool
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The bagmaster... Ha!
I hope that the article reads well, and gives proper review of this neat
process that Jim shared with us. It really is a fun and easy method.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in Sport Aviation |
I am thinking "Jimmy the Bag" has a nice ring to it. I'm juss sayin!
John
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| Subject: | Re: Piets in Sport Aviation |
Carefull now! Consider those who all seem to have
such names. :-)
Start calling him that and he might start packin' one
of them Tommy guns in his pants!
Clif
Confucius--"An inconvenience is an unrecognized opportunity."
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I am thinking "Jimmy the Bag" has a nice ring to it. I'm juss sayin!
John
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| Subject: | Model-A starting problem |
Wow. What a beautiful sound.
You're going to love that airplane=2C and you will quickly forgive
her for all the pain she caused by wearing out all those starters
=3Bo)
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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