Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 02/29/12


Total Messages Posted: 22



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     1. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: Model-A starting problem (helspersew@aol.com)
     2. 04:38 AM - Re: Re: Model-A starting problem (Jim Markle)
     3. 05:10 AM - Re: Model-A starting problem (Jerry Dotson)
     4. 06:40 AM - Model-A starting problem. (Lawrence Williams)
     5. 06:43 AM - Re: Re: Model-A starting problem (Rick Holland)
     6. 06:48 AM - Engine source (Hans Van Der Voort)
     7. 06:57 AM - Re: Re: Model-A starting problem (Amsafetyc)
     8. 09:18 AM - semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
     9. 09:46 AM - Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising (Kyle85)
    10. 10:10 AM - Piets in Sport Aviation (Bill Church)
    11. 10:12 AM - Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising (helspersew@aol.com)
    12. 12:42 PM - Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (K5YAC)
    13. 01:01 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (John Hofmann)
    14. 01:51 PM - Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising (Kyle85)
    15. 01:54 PM - Re: Model-A starting problem. (BYD)
    16. 02:15 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (Jim Markle)
    17. 05:29 PM - Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (K5YAC)
    18. 05:36 PM - Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising (jarheadpilot82)
    19. 06:45 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (Gboothe5)
    20. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
    21. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation (Clif Dawson)
    22. 10:35 PM - Model-A starting problem (Oscar Zuniga)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:11:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model-A starting problem
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Hi Bill, Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right attitud e. Never give up. Congratulations!!!!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary igni tion ystem, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of dvise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial numb er) inally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and he at. hank you all for the ideas and suggestions. And, as promised; http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 04:38:23 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Model-A starting problem
    TOTALLY AGREE!!! That was SO much fun! Gave me goose bumps.... -----Original Message----- From: helspersew@aol.com Sent: Feb 29, 2012 7:10 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem Hi Bill, Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right attitude. Never give up. Congratulations!!!!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com> Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary ignition system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of advise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial number) finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and heat. Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions. And, as promised; http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493 " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 05:10:55 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model-A starting problem
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    I am happy for you. Sure did bring back boyhood memories. I had an old "29 4 door.....had to crank it with a hand crank because my battery was not very good. And like Dan Helsper said "Don't ever give up." I have a printed copy of this cartoon in my build log. snipped quote from previous post: It took until about a month ago to get it all back together. Just a whole series of bad breaks. It started on the third blade. It sat there and ran, all the trouble was forgotten Dave Nielsen do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367513#367513 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dont_ever_give_upcartoon_153.jpg


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    Time: 06:40:19 AM PST US
    From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Model-A starting problem.
    Ah-h-h-h Billy boy. A proper powerplant making proper noises on a proper ae roplane is always a sweet thing- to witness. Your video was a wonderful w ay to start my day, thank you for that. I was distressed that you didn't follow my advice for your helpers however. I remember specifically counselling you to use boys in their late teens to early twenties as they are usually good for up to 45 minutes of hand-propp ing whereas your choice of grey haired airport bums were probably only able to pull that thing through 10-15 times before giving up. The young guys sn ap the prop through much quicker too, which is how you get a magneto to put out enough spark to light-off the engine.. All in fun, buddy. I'm really happy for you and I know that sharing the tri als and eventual triumph with your friends at the airport is a large part o f what sport flying rewards us with. Congratulations.I'll see you soon- Larry W. (Top Curmudgeon)


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    Time: 06:43:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model-A starting problem
    From: Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com>
    Nice work Jim. Wish I could have been there as you were at my place to witness the first running of mine. However we crank-snapping corvair types prefer exercising our minds rather than our backs when it comes time to fly, we use a "relatively" modern invention called an electric starter (actually first patented in 1911). rick On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>wrote: > jim_markle@mindspring.com> > > TOTALLY AGREE!!! That was SO much fun! Gave me goose bumps.... > > > -----Original Message----- > From: helspersew@aol.com > Sent: Feb 29, 2012 7:10 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem > > > Hi Bill, > > Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right > attitude. Never give up. Congratulations!!!!! > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com> > To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem > > > > Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary > ignition > system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths of > advise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial > number) > finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and > heat. > Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions. > > And, as promised; > > http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493 > > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > -- Rick Holland Castle Rock, Colorado NX6819Z


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    Time: 06:48:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Engine source
    From: Hans Van Der Voort <hvandervoo@aol.com>
    I picked this up this morning on the Bearhawk list. This guy has a few engines available that would be perfect for a Pietenpol And at decent prices: Forwarded message: ________________ As those of you who follow my posts probably know, I am being rather frugal in building my Patrol. I had purchased an engine (in my price range) from a gu y in Texas named Dan Martinez. He seemed like a great guy to deal with, and all the members of the EAA chapter in San Antonio I checked with said he was a grea t mechanic. So I asked Dan if he would send me a list of the other things he was currently selling. He send me a hand-written list (says he is not computer-savvy) so I typed it out for him. So if anyone in the group would be interested ... I placed the list on my web server http://poplar.us/DanMartinez.pdf Bergy _________________________ Hans NX15KV Waller, TX


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    Time: 06:57:22 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model-A starting problem
    From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    Great job loved the video the airplane stuff wasn't bad either. She sounds and looks great congrats John Sent from my iPhone On Feb 29, 2012, at 9:43 AM, Rick Holland <at7000ft@gmail.com> wrote: > Nice work Jim. Wish I could have been there as you were at my place to wit ness the first running of mine. However we crank-snapping corvair types pref er exercising our minds rather than our backs when it comes time to fly, we u se a "relatively" modern invention called an electric starter (actually firs t patented in 1911). > > rick > > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 5:37 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wr ote: m> > > TOTALLY AGREE!!! That was SO much fun! Gave me goose bumps.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: helspersew@aol.com > Sent: Feb 29, 2012 7:10 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem > > > Hi Bill, > > Terrific video. Needed a good laugh this morning. You got the right attitu de. Never give up. Congratulations!!!!! > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: BYD <billsayre@ymail.com> > To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Tue, Feb 28, 2012 9:01 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model-A starting problem > > > > Well, after a lot of propping, adjustments, rebuilding a new temporary ign ition > system, more propping and more adjustments plus following multiple paths o f > advise and opinions, it finally happened. ANNA (name taken from serial nu mber) > finally barked. My Model-A engine finally turned gasoline into noise and h eat. > Thank you all for the ideas and suggestions. > > And, as promised; > > http://youtu.be/i8TkYaS0zmE > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367493#367493 > > > > > > > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > > > > -- > Rick Holland > Castle Rock, Colorado > NX6819Z > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 09:18:10 AM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising
    Just a thought, if I paint my Piet in the colors of my daughters company with advertising on the sides for free would than be considered a commercial use? _http://mikebrandolino.suite101.com/gelato-di-babbo---small-town-product-wit h-international-flair-a402254_ (http://mikebrandolino.suite101.com/gelato-di-babbo---small-town-product-with-international-flair-a402254) It looks like she's going to be moving her product line into the Chicago, Detroit and Midwest markets soon and maybe Florida. I think she needs a Piet to advertise for her


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    Time: 09:46:07 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising
    From: "Kyle85" <boschkyle@hotmail.com>
    I am shooting from the hip here, but I believe as long as you are not receiving Money or compensation you are fine to put whatever you want on your airplane. Again this is very gray ie. you could go to a fly in and park your plane and sit in front of it and get payed for having a display booth. Just make sure you don't get paid while flying. Hope this helps Kyle -------- Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367540#367540


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    Time: 10:10:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Piets in Sport Aviation
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Just skimming through the digital edition of Sport Aviation that arrived in my inbox, and a photo of Matt Paxton flying his Piet caught my eye. And then, next thing I know, there's a three page article written by Mark Chouinard, all about vacuum bagging. Mark even gave a nod to the bagmaster himself, the illustrious Mr. Markle. That's got to be a thrill to have a photo of your airplane (that you built with your own hands) appear in a magazine like this. Nice going, gents. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367545#367545 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/matt_126.jpg


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    Time: 10:12:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    John, Yes that would be a commercial use. And also, it sounds like she needs to h ire (you) a CEO in charge of Aerial Advertising. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: AMsafetyC <AMsafetyC@aol.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 29, 2012 11:18 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising Just a thought, if I paint my Piet in the colors of my daughters company wi th advertising on the sides for free would than be considered a commercial use? http://mikebrandolino.suite101.com/gelato-di-babbo---small-town-product-wit h-international-flair-a402254 It looks like she's going to be moving her product line into the Chicago, D etroit and Midwest markets soon and maybe Florida. I think she needs a Piet to advertise for her -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -========================


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    Time: 12:42:57 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    The bagmaster... Ha! I hope that the article reads well, and gives proper review of this neat process that Jim shared with us. It really is a fun and easy method. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367554#367554


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    Time: 01:01:22 PM PST US
    From: John Hofmann <jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com>
    Subject: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation
    I know this fellow was somewhat "underwhelmed" by Jim's bagging demo. http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100017 do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:42 PM, K5YAC wrote: > > The bagmaster... Ha! > > I hope that the article reads well, and gives proper review of this neat process that Jim shared with us. It really is a fun and easy method. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367554#367554 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 01:51:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising
    From: "Kyle85" <boschkyle@hotmail.com>
    Dan, Not trying to get into an endless debate or anything, I am just wanting to educate myself more on this as I have thought of doing something along these lines as well. But hypothetically; if I painted my airplane John Deere green and yellow and wrote "nothing runs like a Deere" on it, would it then be considered a commercial operation to fly that airplane since I am "advertising " for John Deere tractors? So that would mean no one could fly that airplane without a commercial ticket? I was sure that If you were not flying for compensation or hire you did not need a commercial ticket? Do not archive -------- Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the flight. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367560#367560


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    Time: 01:54:41 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model-A starting problem.
    From: "BYD" <billsayre@ymail.com>
    Well Top Curmudgeon, I have found that when offering an opportunity to boys in their late teens to early twenties, unless said opportunity involves an X-Box or PS3 controller, they rarely have the interest or capability to achieve (there are exceptions I just couldnt find any quickly enough). The gray haired airport bums were at least enthusiastic although indeed, a few could not muster the task at hand. They also come with a plethora of ideas, some of which seem downright dangerous, that you didnt mention or warn me about. As illustrated in the video, all worked out and indeed, the rewards were great. Thanks! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367561#367561


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    Time: 02:15:11 PM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation
    hahahahahaha, STILL hilarious.... -----Original Message----- From: John Hofmann Sent: Feb 29, 2012 4:01 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation I know this fellow was somewhat "underwhelmed" by Jim's bagging demo. http://gallery.me.com/johnnyskyrocket#100017 do not archive John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Feb 29, 2012, at 2:42 PM, K5YAC wrote: The bagmaster... Ha! I hope that the article reads well, and gives proper review of this neat process that Jim shared with us. It really is a fun and easy method. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367554#367554 - The --> &n========================<B - &nbs -->="======================


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    Time: 05:29:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Mr. H. was always a hard sell... he had a screw or two loose. But the Bagmaster is easily impressed. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367569#367569 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p9040914_132.jpg


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    Time: 05:36:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: semi Piet related on color scheme and advertising
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    Good People, I have spent way too much time this afternoon researching this, and if you disagree, you won't hurt my feelings. I believe under the definition of Commercial operation you are fine to paint it any way you want. The issue with commercial use is this - are you paid in any way? For instance, Tools Danford can teach his son to fly his Pietenpol, as long as Tools pays for the gas, and he is not reimbursed in any way (not that his teenage son is gonna pay him a dime!). If it is free, it ain't commercial operation, according to the FAA. I have attached a few links as well as a document I downloaded from AOPA. It is AOPA's info, and I give the full credit to them, so I hope they don't pop a cork if I make it available here. In my opinion, paint it any way you want, as long as you are not paid IN ANY WAY. I must say, though, I am not a lawyer, and I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn Express last night. [Laughing] . Commercial Operator. A person who, for compensation or hire, engages in the carriage by aircraft in air commerce of persons or property, other than as an air carrier or foreign air carrier or under the authority of Part 375 of this title. Where it is doubtful that an operation is for compensation or hire, the test applied is whether the carriage by air is merely incidental to the person's other business or is, in itself, a major enterprise for profit. l " The FAA has consistently defined commercial operation in terms of whether the operator receives direct or indirect payment for the operation. It is not necessary that the operation be conducted for profit or even that there be any intent or ability to make a profit. The compensation is not just limited to monetary payments but includes anything of value. This broad definition of compensation has been affirmed and adopted by both the NTSB and the federal courts. Administrator v. Roundtree, 2 NTSB 1712 (1975); Administrator v. Mims, NTSB Order No. EA-3284, review denied 988 F.2d 1380; Consolidated Flower Shipments, Inc., Bay Area, 16 C.A.B. 804 (1953), aff'd. 213 F.2d 814 (2nd Cir. 1954)." Commercial Aeronautical Activity: Any aeronautical activity intended to secure earnings, income, compensation, or profit, whether or not such objectives are accomplished. -------- Do Not Archive Semper Fi, Terry Hand Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367570#367570 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/123_546.pdf


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    Time: 06:45:50 PM PST US
    From: "Gboothe5" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation
    How about just, "Bagger," for short... Gary from Cool Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:42 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation The bagmaster... Ha! I hope that the article reads well, and gives proper review of this neat process that Jim shared with us. It really is a fun and easy method. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=367554#367554


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    Time: 06:48:46 PM PST US
    From: AMsafetyC@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation
    I am thinking "Jimmy the Bag" has a nice ring to it. I'm juss sayin! John Do not archive


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    Time: 08:00:11 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Piets in Sport Aviation
    Carefull now! Consider those who all seem to have such names. :-) Start calling him that and he might start packin' one of them Tommy guns in his pants! Clif Confucius--"An inconvenience is an unrecognized opportunity." do not archive I am thinking "Jimmy the Bag" has a nice ring to it. I'm juss sayin! John Do not archive No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com 02/29/12


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    Time: 10:35:12 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Model-A starting problem
    Wow. What a beautiful sound. You're going to love that airplane=2C and you will quickly forgive her for all the pain she caused by wearing out all those starters =3Bo) Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net




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