---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 03/14/12: 39 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:31 AM - Re: Re: Of electronics and banjos (Clif Dawson) 2. 12:32 AM - Re: Wire Wheels (bubbleboy) 3. 04:09 AM - Re: Corvair College 22 (Jack) 4. 04:58 AM - Re: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe (Jack Phillips) 5. 07:17 AM - Re: Brodhead plans (Jack Phillips) 6. 07:22 AM - Re: Corvair College 22 (kevinpurtee) 7. 07:35 AM - Enid, OK fly-in (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 8. 07:37 AM - Re: Wire Wheels (kevinpurtee) 9. 07:55 AM - Re: Re: Wire Wheels (Jack Phillips) 10. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: Wire Wheels (Michael Perez) 11. 08:38 AM - Re: Re: Of electronics and banjos (Dan Yocum) 12. 08:59 AM - Wooden wing spars (Ron Eisaman) 13. 09:30 AM - Re: Wooden wing spars (Kenneth Howe) 14. 09:51 AM - Spar weight (Kringle) 15. 09:55 AM - Re: Enid, OK fly-in (K5YAC) 16. 09:59 AM - Piet for sale in TX (taildrags) 17. 10:08 AM - Is there ANYTHING better... (Jim Markle) 18. 10:18 AM - Re: Piet for sale in TX (kevinpurtee) 19. 10:48 AM - Re: Wire Wheels (indyaquanaut) 20. 10:55 AM - Re: Piet for sale in TX (taildrags) 21. 10:56 AM - Re: Piet for sale in TX (regchief) 22. 11:45 AM - Re: Is there ANYTHING better... (Jim Ash) 23. 11:52 AM - Re: Re: Wire Wheels (Ryan Mueller) 24. 12:52 PM - Re: Re: Wire Wheels (Michael Perez) 25. 01:19 PM - Re: Spar weight (Jack Phillips) 26. 01:31 PM - Re: Wire Wheels (kevinpurtee) 27. 01:41 PM - Re: Piet for sale in TX (kevinpurtee) 28. 01:47 PM - Re: Is there ANYTHING better... (Ken Bickers) 29. 02:21 PM - Re: Is there ANYTHING better... (Jim Markle) 30. 03:22 PM - Re: Spar weight (Mild Bill) 31. 04:35 PM - Re: Spar weight (Kringle) 32. 04:40 PM - Re: Re: Piet for sale in TX (Gboothe5) 33. 05:27 PM - Model A radiator.... (Jim Markle) 34. 06:08 PM - Model A radiator available.... (Jim Markle) 35. 06:24 PM - Wing wires and ribs (giacummo) 36. 07:55 PM - Re: Piet for sale in TX (taildrags) 37. 08:21 PM - Re: Re: Of electronics and banjos (Clif Dawson) 38. 09:13 PM - Re: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe (Billy McCaskill) 39. 09:20 PM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (Chris) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:28 AM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Of electronics and banjos Yep. It's all mine. Actually though, I thought I had put up the presently attached pic which shows the "anti windup" bracket and arm. Next up, the heel pedal system. No wonder it's been 11 years and counting!! Clif Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first. > Clif the brake is impressive. Is it your own design? Does it warp there at > the cable to actuate? I have more questions than answers! > Jerry Dotson > 59 Daniel Johnson Rd > Baker, FL 32531 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:33 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels From: "bubbleboy" I purchased the hubs from Ken Perkins and the 21" rims and stainless spokes from Buchanans. You will need to sell your first born to pay for them but dam they are sexy! Have a look at them on my site. www.scottyspietenpol.com Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368446#368446 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:42 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College 22 Great shots Kevin, thanks! What is the gas cylinder on the test stand? Fuel supply? Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 11:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Corvair College 22 CC 22 was a great success. Thanks to our Piet friends for attending. Thanks especially to Tim Willis, Gary Boothe and Mark Chouinard for their extra efforts. Lots of pics on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/#!/pages/Corvair-College-22/320305497999282?sk=wall In the attached photo: Mark Chouinard, Bill & David Roach, Kevin & Shelley, John Franklin (congrats on your first engine run, John!), Gary Boothe, Robert Caldwell, Buddy Linder -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368354#368354 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/piet_people_cc22_156.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:01 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe Very cool, Douwe. Can't wait to see her fly! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 10:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe Hey all, Due to overwhelming demand... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQXwjuoVKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player If that link doesn't get you there, just search for "Douwe's C-90 first run-up in airframe", and that outta do it. Working away now on lots of persnickety stuff. Douwe ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:56 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead plans Mark, The closest airport to fly into is probably Madison (MSN), which is about 35 miles away. I know American serves MSN and I think Delta does as well. Or you could fly into Chicago or Milwaukee, but they are further. Shipping camping gear is a good idea, if you can find someone in Brodhead who would volunteer to handle it for you. Perhaps you can contact someone in EAA chapter 431, that runs the field there. Good luck and hope to see you there, Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Baxter Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 8:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead plans Greetings all, I am planning to attend the fly-in this summer. I will be flying by airline from Corvallis, Oregon. I would appreciate any advise some of you might have regarding flights, car rental etc. I would like to camp while there and was thinking it would be handy if I could UPS a small box of camping gear to someone at Brodhead. Thanks in advance and I look forward to meeting some of you there. Mark Baxter Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368421#368421 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Corvair College 22 From: "kevinpurtee" @Jack - Yes, that's fuel. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368474#368474 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:39 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Enid, OK fly-in Flyin at WDG, Enid, OK Saturday 24 March, 2012 Barnstormers is serving breakfast! 8-10am $7.00 .50 cent discount on fuel. Hope y'all can come. Steve D ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels From: "kevinpurtee" Where you got them: Aerodrome Aircraft (www.airdromeaeroplanes.com). What kind of cost am I looking at: ~$900. What did you do for brakes: Motorcycle disks, go-cart parts from calipers up to foot pedals. What size axle did you use: 1.25" I think? Are you glad you used them: Yes. What tires did you use: Ones that fit. Ken's right that Robert at Airdrome can be unresponsive. I got my own tubes and tires before Robert sent me his versions. I like them better than what he sent so it worked out. Ken's also right that the hubs are not perfectly square. Somehow, though, they have rolled and stopped pretty darn well over 700 takeoffs and landings. They are also extremely durable. Look at www.westcoastpiet.com for ideas. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368475#368475 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:53 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels I made my own hubs (well, I designed them and had a machine shop turn them for me), then sent them to Buchanan's, had them choose 21" aluminum rims, make custom spokes and then lace them up for me. Bought Avon Speedmaster Tyres (they're English, hence the spelling) on the advice of Mike Cuy. Total cost was about $900. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:37 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels Where you got them: Aerodrome Aircraft (www.airdromeaeroplanes.com). What kind of cost am I looking at: ~$900. What did you do for brakes: Motorcycle disks, go-cart parts from calipers up to foot pedals. What size axle did you use: 1.25" I think? Are you glad you used them: Yes. What tires did you use: Ones that fit. Ken's right that Robert at Airdrome can be unresponsive. I got my own tubes and tires before Robert sent me his versions. I like them better than what he sent so it worked out. Ken's also right that the hubs are not perfectly square. Somehow, though, they have rolled and stopped pretty darn well over 700 takeoffs and landings. They are also extremely durable. Look at www.westcoastpiet.com for ideas. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368475#368475 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:29 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels I believe your biggest hurdle will be the hubs.- Rims, spokes, tires, etc are readily available in a variety of materials, sizes, colors, etc. You s aid you were not too keen on making your own wheels, but if you change your mind, you have some options, most of which have been posted. I made my own hubs and did my own lacing/truing. If you are interested in g iving any of that a shot, I may be able to help you. Michael Perez =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:24 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Of electronics and banjos Clif, Top-notch construction. Beautifully made. But... how do they work? That's a solid piece of metal between those 2 lever arms - there's not any hinge point to press the pad to the disk that I can see... Thanks, Dan On 03/14/2012 02:30 AM, Clif Dawson wrote: > Yep. It's all mine. Actually though, I thought I had > put up the presently attached pic which shows > the "anti windup" bracket and arm. > > Next up, the heel pedal system. > > No wonder it's been 11 years and counting!! > > Clif > > Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first. > >> Clif the brake is impressive. Is it your own design? Does it warp >> there at the cable to actuate? I have more questions than answers! >> Jerry Dotson >> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd >> Baker, FL 32531 -- Dan Yocum Fermilab 630.840.6509 yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov "I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:59:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wooden wing spars From: Ron Eisaman A few years ago I saw an article on wooden wing spars. I think it was by R on Alexander...but then again I'm not the sharpest knife in the set, so it could have been someone else. Please help me find this piece. Thanks. Ron ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:51 AM PST US From: Kenneth Howe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wooden wing spars Ron, Not sure what type of info you're looking for, but there were a series of articles by Ron Alexander on wood aircraft construction, Sport Aviation, Dec. '98-April '99. That's what I found with a quick search thru the online SA archives. There were also some earlier articles on structural analysis by, I think, Molt Taylor. Those were from the 60's if my memory's correct. Ken On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:58 AM, Ron Eisaman wrote: > A few years ago I saw an article on wooden wing spars. I think it was by Ron Alexander...but then again I'm not the sharpest knife in the set, so it could have been someone else. Please help me find this piece. Thanks. > Ron > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar weight From: "Kringle" I went with the 5" by 3/4" spars and purchased them from Aircraft Spruce. After cutting them to length and drilling a few holes I noticed a significant difference in weight. I pulled out my digital scale and found two of them to weigh about 7.6 lbs while the other two weighed 10.7 lbs. They both have tight grain so I assumed it must be the moisture content. I checked and found them both to be at 8%. Should I be concerned? I will balance the weight by putting a heavy and light one on each wing. -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368489#368489 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:55:34 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Enid, OK fly-in From: "K5YAC" Chapter 10 pancakes and a Gas Welding Workshop that same day, otherwise I'd think about it. Barnstormers throws down some good grub. Too many flying events... such a problem to have this early in the season. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368490#368490 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:58 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet for sale in TX From: "taildrags" For anyone looking to get into a complete and flying Ford A-powered Piet, there is a nice one for sale in south Texas; a couple of pix attached. Now owned by Ron Hollmer, this airplane was originally built by Howard Henderson and was written up in the old BPA newsletter, here: http://www.grantmaclaren.com/444mh/index.html I have no affiliation with this airplane or its owner other than knowing them as "good people". I believe Ron keeps the airplane in Aransas Pass (Corpus Christi area). He is asking $12,000 for it, which I believe is a very good price. His phone number is (210) 401-7148 and you can email he or Pat at pestfromfl@tampabay.rr.com . Please don't contact me about the airplane! As Schultz from "Hogan's Heroes" used to say, "I know NOTHING!" -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368491#368491 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dscn1068_136.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/061_61_858.jpeg http://forums.matronics.com//files/010_10_250.jpeg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:24 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better... than a package from Wicks Aircraft???? I say NOT!! :-) ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:18:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet for sale in TX From: "kevinpurtee" Man! Kinda wish the 3 of us could've gotten together at some point, Oscar. It's similar to the situation where a guy is working on a Piet but doesn't travel an hour to see one that's finished and actively flying. I've never figured that out. I've traveled a lonnnnggggg way to see a Pietenpol on more than one occasion. At least you and I joined up. There was another Piet up in Brownwood until the guy wrecked it. Probably more out there within 100 miles of Austin I don't know about. Oh well. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368493#368493 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:48:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels From: "indyaquanaut" First of all, thanks to everyone who has replied. Great information. Gary I contacted Paugho but Troy no longer works there and they have no record of your purchase, so without part numbers they couldnt help me. If you happen to have them it would really help. Michael, I can make the hubs and with a little guidance could lace and true them. Where did you get your rims and spokes and what did you do for your brakes. Again thanks to all, its very helpful Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368497#368497 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:55:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet for sale in TX From: "taildrags" Axel: maybe he will need someone to ferry the airplane to the new buyer ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368498#368498 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet for sale in TX From: "regchief" I was driveing south past the Georgetown airport heading to drop a load in Austin on Sunday, and look up and I swear I see a Piet crossing over I-35. Not easy to do when your suppossed to be driveing a semi and trying to see a small plane overhead. I was bobtail later that day and am still kicking myself for not heading to the airport to see if a piet was really circleing in the pattern. Any idea who it was? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368499#368499 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:45:04 AM PST US From: Jim Ash Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better... The same thing, for free? -----Original Message----- >From: Jim Markle >Sent: Mar 14, 2012 1:07 PM >To: Pietenpol List >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better... > >than a package from Wicks Aircraft???? I say NOT!! :-) > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:53 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels From: Ryan Mueller Isn't that 700 on the right, 699 on the left? do not archive On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 9:36 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Where you got them: Aerodrome Aircraft (www.airdromeaeroplanes.com). > What kind of cost am I looking at: ~$900. > What did you do for brakes: Motorcycle disks, go-cart parts from calipers > up to foot pedals. > What size axle did you use: 1.25" I think? > Are you glad you used them: Yes. > What tires did you use: Ones that fit. > > Ken's right that Robert at Airdrome can be unresponsive. I got my own > tubes and tires before Robert sent me his versions. I like them better > than what he sent so it worked out. Ken's also right that the hubs are not > perfectly square. Somehow, though, they have rolled and stopped pretty > darn well over 700 takeoffs and landings. They are also extremely durable. > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 12:52:28 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels Dave, my 21" aluminum rims, aluminum nipples and stainless spokes came from Buchanan's. He, (I forget his name) is quite knowledgeable and understands what is required-for aircraft use and recommended the type of spokes to use. - What ended up happening was this: - I sent one of my hubs to Buchanan's. They made the custom spokes to fit the rim of my choice and loose-laced one rim to one hub. They sent that assemb ly along with the rim, nipples and spokes for the other hub. I just copied the lacing from the completed assembly.- Those spokes were nicely labeled and there were instructions included as to which set of spokes go where... it was a non-event really.- I then tightened and trued both wheel assembl ies. - I am using band type go-kart brakes. I want to stay as light as I can and I am really only interested in preventing the plane from rolling down hill-s ay into another plane or fuel pit. - See attached pictures. - If you want to discuss this further, please email me off list and I'll help as much as I can. Michael Perez Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:11 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Spar weight You should be fine, as long as you balance them as you described. Given a choice, I'd put the heavy ones as the front spars, both because they are probably stronger and the less weight aft, the better. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kringle Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 12:51 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Spar weight I went with the 5" by 3/4" spars and purchased them from Aircraft Spruce. After cutting them to length and drilling a few holes I noticed a significant difference in weight. I pulled out my digital scale and found two of them to weigh about 7.6 lbs while the other two weighed 10.7 lbs. They both have tight grain so I assumed it must be the moisture content. I checked and found them both to be at 8%. Should I be concerned? I will balance the weight by putting a heavy and light one on each wing. -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368489#368489 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:31:34 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels From: "kevinpurtee" @Ryan - Good point, but I think slamming the entire weight of the airplane on the left wheel while it was oriented horizontally, and then dragging the airplane to a stop on top of the same wheel should qualify as a really, really BIG landing:). do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368517#368517 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 01:41:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet for sale in TX From: "kevinpurtee" REGCHIEF: You shoulda stopped by! I was hopping rides for corvair college participants. Next time you're coming through on 35 yell at me. I've moved the plane to San Marcos. Unless I'm working or out of town, I will meet you at the hangar. Depending on the day and time Shelley will probably feed you. I'm serious. We love Piet visits. kevin.purtee@us.army.mil or 512-422-6371 @Oscar: wouldn't THAT be cool!!!! Ferry one of my "hero" airplanes! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368518#368518 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 01:47:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better... From: Ken Bickers Jim (M), congratulations. I wish I were to the same point of fabric covering. Soon, soon. Cheers, Ken On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Jim Ash wrote: > > The same thing, for free? > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Jim Markle >>Sent: Mar 14, 2012 1:07 PM >>To: Pietenpol List >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better... >> >>than a package from Wicks Aircraft???? I say NOT!! :-) >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 02:21:21 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better... Thanks Ken (AND Jim!)... Actually, I'm barely at that point but I just need to see some progress...and the tail feathers and center section have just been sitting collecting dust for several years..I'm tired of seeing so many parts "just one step away from completion".... Plus, on a recent trip to Georgia I got to spend a couple evenings with Barry Davis and the rest of the "big Piet" folks...what a pleasure! Except the part where they brainwashed me (I still don't know how/when it happened) into ordering materials and coming home all motivated to get to work on my Piet! -----Original Message----- >From: Ken Bickers >Sent: Mar 14, 2012 3:46 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better... > > >Jim (M), congratulations. I wish I were to the same point of fabric >covering. Soon, soon. Cheers, Ken > >On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Jim Ash wrote: >> >> The same thing, for free? >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: Jim Markle >>>Sent: Mar 14, 2012 1:07 PM >>>To: Pietenpol List >>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is there ANYTHING better... >>> >>>than a package from Wicks Aircraft???? I say NOT!! :-) >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:22:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar weight From: "Mild Bill" Wow, that's a 41% increase in weight. What is the species of wood and what are the exact dimensions of these pieces? -------- Bill Frank Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368526#368526 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 04:35:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Spar weight From: "Kringle" Typical spar lengths..about 13 feet long and made of sitka spruce. I also noticed the color of the heavier spar is darker. I did what Jack said and made the heavier ones the front spars. -------- Do Not Archive John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368533#368533 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:33 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet for sale in TX "...@Oscar: wouldn't THAT be cool!!!! Ferry one of my "hero" airplanes!..." Just wondering...Is that cooler than Jack Phillips ferrying an F-22? I struggle with these important questions... Gary from Cool Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 1:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet for sale in TX REGCHIEF: You shoulda stopped by! I was hopping rides for corvair college participants. Next time you're coming through on 35 yell at me. I've moved the plane to San Marcos. Unless I'm working or out of town, I will meet you at the hangar. Depending on the day and time Shelley will probably feed you. I'm serious. We love Piet visits. kevin.purtee@us.army.mil or 512-422-6371 @Oscar: wouldn't THAT be cool!!!! Ferry one of my "hero" airplanes! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368518#368518 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:27:33 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A radiator.... Doing some cleaning and would like to say goodbye to an old Model A radiator I've had for several years. It got banged up during shipping and I'm not even sure if it's fixable. But I don't want to trash it..... So, it's available for the cost of shipping (from 74361). Let me know (offlist) if you're interested. Jim ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:50 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A radiator available.... Doing some cleaning and would like to say goodbye to an old Model A radiator I've had for several years. It got banged up during shipping and I'm not even sure if it's fixable. But I don't want to trash it..... So, it's available for the cost of shipping (from 74361). Let me know (offlist) if you're interested. Jim ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing wires and ribs From: "giacummo" Hello, I am finishing the first wing, and today I put 2 threads to see where the wires will go through in between the ribs. Look this photo (if you want ;o) ) https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EhUVMWzpvDw_ZNBZpDdRX9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink and this one https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9eUA3QFSTDaK3zodEdH-cdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink here are two or thre more photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/105721238882545681618/ConstruccionDeUnPietenpolAirCamper# I can move them a little far from the rib, but not to much adding something in the wire end support, but anyway I think the vibration can touch the rib. How far the wires pass?, I did something wrong?. regards. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368552#368552 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet for sale in TX From: "taildrags" I'm sure Ron would administer a test before permitting a pilot to ferry his airplane. You would have to know what to put in the radiator (radiator?!), how to say 'pocketa-pocketa-pocketa' real slowly, and be able to tell time with a sundial or hourglass. Corvair guys might have a hard time with those kinds of things ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368560#368560 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:58 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Of electronics and banjos Dan, Thanks, The pivot, as per the drawing, is the two clevis pins at the bottom. The L arm rotates around the point of the L which lies above the center of the pads. As the top of the L is sucked in by the cable the two bolts that go through to the rear plate and pad pull that plate outwards. Thus the the pads are pulled toward each other onto the disc. There's less than 1/16" total clearance between the pads and disc ( 1/32" each side) .the back plate is 1/4" thick and doesn't flex at all. The main plate is 1/8" and flexes a tiny bit, hardly visible at all. I have to appologize as I forgot to reduce the rather large size of the drawing. I always scan and take pics at high rez then reduce them. This makes a huge difference when someone wants to enlarge them. They go a lot larger before becoming fuzzy than if you start small. Anyway, here it is again in more reasonable size. The pivot is the clevis on the left. Clif A mile of road will take you a mile, but a mile of runway will take you anywhere. > > Clif, > how do they work? > Thanks, > Dan ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe From: "Billy McCaskill" Sounds great! Quieter than I anticipated. do not archive -------- Billy McCaskill Urbana, IL tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368564#368564 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:56 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wing wires and ribs Mario No you did not do anything wrong. Ii is quite common for the cross wire to hit the rib upright. You can move the rib over a bit so it will clear. I didn't notice this until it was too late and I had to cut away the rib brace then add a reinforcement to the upright. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 6:22 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing wires and ribs --> Hello, I am finishing the first wing, and today I put 2 threads to see where the wires will go through in between the ribs. Look this photo (if you want ;o) ) https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EhUVMWzpvDw_ZNBZpDdRX9MTjNZETYmyPJy0li ipFm0?feat=directlink and this one https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9eUA3QFSTDaK3zodEdH-cdMTjNZETYmyPJy0li ipFm0?feat=directlink here are two or thre more photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/105721238882545681618/ConstruccionDeUnPietenpol AirCamper# I can move them a little far from the rib, but not to much adding something in the wire end support, but anyway I think the vibration can touch the rib. How far the wires pass?, I did something wrong?. regards. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368552#368552 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.