---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/15/12: 37 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:25 AM - Re: Model A radiator available.... (RickBright) 2. 04:02 AM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 04:26 AM - Pietenpol Ski Flying (Don Emch) 4. 04:41 AM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (giacummo) 5. 04:50 AM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (Ben Charvet) 6. 05:04 AM - Re: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe (Don Emch) 7. 05:06 AM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (Jerry Dotson) 8. 05:16 AM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (giacummo) 9. 05:20 AM - Re: Pietenpol Ski Flying (pineymb) 10. 05:53 AM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (Piet2015) 11. 06:20 AM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (kevinpurtee) 12. 06:21 AM - Re: Re: Wing wires and ribs (Gboothe5) 13. 06:29 AM - Re: Pietenpol Ski Flying (kevinpurtee) 14. 06:37 AM - Re: Is there ANYTHING better... (Jerry Dotson) 15. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Wing wires and ribs (Ryan Mueller) 16. 07:57 AM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (Piet2015) 17. 08:02 AM - Model A radiator has been "claimed" (Jim Markle) 18. 08:07 AM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (Piet2015) 19. 08:13 AM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (giacummo) 20. 08:14 AM - Re: Re: Wing wires and ribs (Ryan Mueller) 21. 08:27 AM - Re: Re: Wing wires and ribs (Ryan Mueller) 22. 09:13 AM - wondering (skellytown flyer) 23. 09:51 AM - Re: Model A radiator has been "claimed" (Hans van der Voort) 24. 10:54 AM - Re: Piet for sale in TX (regchief) 25. 12:29 PM - Re: Is there ANYTHING better... (bender) 26. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: Wing wires and ribs (Gboothe5) 27. 02:56 PM - Re: Re: Wire Wheels (Gboothe5) 28. 02:59 PM - Re: Wing wires and ribs (giacummo) 29. 03:11 PM - Re: Is there ANYTHING better... (giacummo) 30. 03:14 PM - Re: Wire Wheels (giacummo) 31. 03:51 PM - Re: Re: Wire Wheels (John Hofmann) 32. 04:01 PM - Re: Re: Wire Wheels (Gary Boothe) 33. 05:37 PM - Re: Wire Wheels (giacummo) 34. 05:48 PM - 2 local EAA members gone west (Jerry Dotson) 35. 06:04 PM - Re: 2 local EAA members gone west (K5YAC) 36. 06:51 PM - Re: Re: Wire Wheels (Jack Phillips) 37. 08:27 PM - Re: wondering (Greg Cardinal) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:08 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Model A radiator available.... From: "RickBright" Hello Jim, Sent you a PM, sounds like an excuse for me to get over there, Rick Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368574#368574 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:02:13 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing wires and ribs From: helspersew@aol.com Mario, Very nice. I had a few places with some interference also. I did a little s anding with a round file, and added some support on the opposite side of th e rib member by gluing on another stick of spruce. Anybody disagree with t his? PS Please remind me what country you are from? Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: giacummo Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:24 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing wires and ribs Hello, I am finishing the first wing, and today I put 2 threads to see where the w ires ill go through in between the ribs. Look this photo (if you want ;o) ) ttps://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EhUVMWzpvDw_ZNBZpDdRX9MTjNZETYmyPJy0li ipFm0?feat=directlink and this one https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9eUA3QFSTDaK3zodEdH-cdMTjNZETYmyPJy0l iipFm0?feat=directlink ere are two or thre more photos: https://picasaweb.google.com/1057212388825 45681618/ConstruccionDeUnPietenpolAirCamper# I can move them a little far from the rib, but not to much adding something in he wire end support, but anyway I think the vibration can touch the rib. How far the wires pass?, I did something wrong?. regards. -------- ario Giacummo ttp://vgmk1.blogspot.com ead this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368552#368552 -= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - -= Use the Matronics List Features Navigator to browse -= the many List utilities such as List Un/Subscription, -= Archive Search & Download, 7-Day Browse, Chat, FAQ, -= Photoshare, and much much more: - -= --> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List - -======================== -= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - -= Same great content also available via the Web Forums! - -= --> http://forums.matronics.com - -======================== -= - List Contribution Web Site - -= Thank you for your generous support! -= -Matt Dralle, List Admin. -= --> http://www.matronics.com/contribution -======================== ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:42 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Ski Flying From: "Don Emch" I gave up on any hope of more snow this year...(not that I'm complaining!)...and pulled the skis off and put the wheels back on. But I did fly it once back in January with my daughter. Here is a quick video of it from my buddy and airport owner Stan. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YByVOzQbWvs Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368576#368576 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:41:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: "giacummo" Reading your post makes me more calm. Thank you. Dan; from Uruguay... Ciudad de la costa. faaaar away ;o) -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368578#368578 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:50 AM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing wires and ribs I did the same as Dan, and so far so good.... Ben On 3/15/2012 7:01 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Mario, > Very nice. I had a few places with some interference also. I did a > little sanding with a round file, and added some support on the > opposite side of the rib member by gluing on another stick of spruce. > Anybody disagree with this? > PS Please remind me what country you are from? > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: giacummo > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 8:24 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wing wires and ribs > > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "giacummo"> > > Hello, > > I am finishing the first wing, and today I put 2 threads to see where the wires > will go through in between the ribs. Look this photo (if you want ;o) ) > > > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/EhUVMWzpvDw_ZNBZpDdRX9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink > > and this one > > https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/9eUA3QFSTDaK3zodEdH-cdMTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink > > > here are two or thre more photos:https://picasaweb.google.com/105721238882545681618/ConstruccionDeUnPietenpolAirCamper# > > I can move them a little far from the rib, but not to much adding something in > the wire end support, but anyway I think the vibration can touch the rib. > > How far the wires pass?, I did something wrong?. > > regards. > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368552#368552 > > > " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > p://forums.matronics.com > blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > * > > > * -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:04:38 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe From: "Don Emch" Great Douwe! Love the wheels! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368581#368581 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: "Jerry Dotson" Mario I had a similar problem. It was not touching but was real close. I wrapped the stick and the cable with Scotch 130C which is a vulcanizing rubber electrical tape. The I wrapped the stick and the cable so it couldn't vibrate. Not real pretty but works . do not archive -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368582#368582 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:16:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: "giacummo" Jerry, yes it is, it came with the engine I bought, I do not assembled it yet but evrything looks very very nice. Jerry Dotson wrote: > Mario I had a similar problem. It was not touching but was real close. I wrapped the stick and the cable with Scotch 130C which is a vulcanizing rubber electrical tape. The I wrapped the stick and the cable so it couldn't vibrate. Not real pretty but works . > You project is very nice, beautiful. Is the propeller a Beech Roby? > > do not archive -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368584#368584 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:20:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Ski Flying From: "pineymb" Excellent footage Don!!!!! I can relate - was only able to get up twice myself due to lack of snow and warm temperatures. Took the skis off yesterday and put on the wheels, should be good to go this weekend off our grass strip, expecting temps in the 20 deg C range. Gotta like that virgin snow where no other machine has gone. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368585#368585 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: "Piet2015" 80 plus years and no one has documented which sticks need to be moved during the rib building phase so there is no interference during wing assembly?????? "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." -- Benjamin Franklin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368588#368588 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:20:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: "kevinpurtee" Mario - You'll have a long flight to Brodhead, but we still expect to see you and your plane there:). do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368591#368591 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:49 AM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs I guess the short answer is, "NO." The practical answer is, "Once the offending uprights are filed and re-enforced, there is no interference." Every Piet is different, and identifying which sticks should be moved would be a waste of time. Furthermore, some builders prefer to anchor their ribs at set dimensions on the spar, while others let them float until the wires are placed. Sorry, I do not see your name on your post. It would also be nice to know at what stage you are in your project, where you are from, and, most importantly, "How will you handle this part of the construction?" Gary from Cool -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2015 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 5:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs 80 plus years and no one has documented which sticks need to be moved during the rib building phase so there is no interference during wing assembly?????? "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." -- Benjamin Franklin Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368588#368588 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:29:37 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Ski Flying From: "kevinpurtee" Spectacular, Don! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/Georgetown, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368595#368595 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is there ANYTHING better... From: "Jerry Dotson" Jim...........looks like you got a quart of cement. Look to buy 3 more. I bought a gallon and only had less than a pint left over. Your mileage may vary. You are getting to a fun part of the build.. at least it was for me. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368596#368596 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: Ryan Mueller Apparently you do not know how to search the Matronics archives, RM do not archive (or how to use that tag, as I fail to see any reason to save your message for perpetuity) On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Piet2015 wrote: > > > 80 plus years and no one has documented which sticks need to be moved > during the rib building phase so there is no interference during wing > assembly?????? > > "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." -- Benjamin Franklin > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368588#368588 > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: "Piet2015" gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > I guess the short answer is, "NO." The practical answer is, "Once the offending uprights are filed and re-enforced, there is no interference." > Every Piet is different, and identifying which sticks should be moved would > be a waste of time. Furthermore, some builders prefer to anchor their ribs > at set dimensions on the spar, while others let them float until the wires > are placed. > > Gary from Cool > > -- The mantra here seems to be "build according to the plans". If so, this would indicate the ribs would be fixed at the locations shown on the plans. If the ribs are fixed at their proper location, figuring out what sticks to move wouldn't be a "waste of time", it would help countless future builders get it right without having to shift rib locations or remove and whittle sticks. A forum like this is in a position to help builders correct plans errors BEFORE construction begins. Instead, it seems every new Piet builder must make the same flawed build that everyone else did and then everyone here will tell them how to fix it AFTER the fact. Go through the archives here. Same questions over and over and over. Seems that building it wrong and then correcting it or rebuilding it is some kind of "Pietenpol right of passage". The thing one must do to be accepted into the "club". If someone post a question prior to some stage of building, they get the "build it according to the plans" or you are "over thinking this". You asked how am I going to solve the problem. Very easy with the modern tools we have available. I'm building a Riblett wing. When I designed my rib truss, I modeled it in 3D CAD and made sure there where no bracing wire to stick interference. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368606#368606 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:56 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A radiator has been "claimed" We have a couple details to work out but for now, it's "off the market". thanks all.... ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: "Piet2015" Ryan Mueller wrote: > Apparently you do not know how to search the Matronics archives, > > RM Obviously everyone posting above that had to move ribs and carve on sticks didn't know how to search the archives properly either. Instead of making a post that is of little practical help, why not tell us the search term or phrase that will lead us to the archived threads that will show us which sticks need moved on the full size rib drawing? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368608#368608 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:13:22 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: "giacummo" Show me please.. [quote="Ryan Mueller"]Apparently you do not know how to search the Matronics archives, RM do not archive (or how to use that tag, as I fail to see any reason to save your message for perpetuity) On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Piet2015 wrote: > > > > 80 plus years and no one has documented which sticks need to be moved during the rib building phase so there is no interference during wing assembly?????? > > "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." -- Benjamin Franklin > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368588#368588 (http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368588#368588) > > > > > > > > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > le, List Admin. > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > > > [b] -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368610#368610 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:14:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: Ryan Mueller Because I'm not your wet nurse. http://www.matronics.com/search/ Read the instructions, figure it out. do not archive On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:07 AM, Piet2015 wrote: > Instead of making a post that is of little practical help, why not tell us > the search term or phrase that will lead us to the archived threads that > will show us which sticks need moved on the full size rib drawing? > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: Ryan Mueller Mario, If you visit: http://www.matronics.com/search/ ....that is where you can easily search the archives. It has instructions on that page, which will show you how to optimize your search to provide the best results. No offense, but I assume English may be your second language, so if the instructions on the site do not come across as clear please feel free to email me directly and I will do my best to walk you through it. Ryan On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 10:13 AM, giacummo wrote: > > > > Show me please.. > > [quote="Ryan Mueller"]Apparently you do not know how to search the > Matronics archives, > > RM > > > do not archive (or how to use that tag, as I fail to see any reason to > save your message for perpetuity) > > On Thu, Mar 15, 2012 at 7:53 AM, Piet2015 wrote: > > > > > > > > > 80 plus years and no one has documented which sticks need to be moved > during the rib building phase so there is no interference during wing > assembly?????? > > > > "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure." -- Benjamin Franklin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368588#368588 ( > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368588#368588) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ========== > > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > ========== > > http://forums.matronics.com > > ========== > > le, List Admin. > > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > ========== > > > > > > > > [b] > > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368610#368610 > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: wondering From: "skellytown flyer" Well I can't remember the status of the Mountain Piet.I know it was being rebuilt but cannot remember if it was finished how it is performing.anyway also thought I'd see if I could sign in from this computer I am switching over to.I'm going to a different email address so even if I get this posted I'm not sure how I'll be able to switch my email address in the sit. Raymond Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368623#368623 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:29 AM PST US From: Hans van der Voort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Model A radiator has been "claimed" Congratulations Jim.=0A-=0AHans=0A =0A=0A________________________________ =0A From: Jim Markle =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 10:01 AM=0ASubj ect: Pietenpol-List: Model A radiator has been "claimed"=0A =0A--> Pietenp ol-List message posted by: Jim Markle =0A=0AWe h ave a couple details to work out but for now, it's "off the market".=0A=0At = ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 10:54:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet for sale in TX From: "regchief" That would be great Kevin. I got to meet a bunch of the california guys last year when I was working out there. Its great to meet folks in person building or flying. I am in Austin usually on a weekly basis, one of our biggest customers right on tech drive. I will give a shout next time I am heading that way. Kelly Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368628#368628 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 12:29:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is there ANYTHING better... From: "bender" I've been trying not to get to that part where pieces sit around.. I decided to cover the control surfaces... did the elevators and rudder a couple of weeks ago and i'm painting the ailerons today.. i decided that rib stitching is more fun than taping.. i've been using the ekobond in the linen color.. its a pleasing color..i find the blue offensive to my eyes.. it could make me crazier i believe jeff do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368637#368637 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 01:37:45 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs Mr. Piet2015, You loosely throw around terms such as, "flawed", and "building it wrong." Those are your terms, not the consensus of other builders, and you assume that there is something wrong with the original plans, which there is not. You have been informed as to how others have made "adjustments" and successfully completed their planes. You have yet to build a wing! Once you perfect your rib design, and assume that you have solved the "problem", do you then assume that everyone can perfectly follow your solution and never experience the same problem? While you are at it, you may also make a determination as to why the elevator cables rub on the horizontal stab, why some Piets are tail heavy and some not, what is the perfect deck angle for gear height, turtle-decks - how tall is too tall, same for cabanes, what's the correct dihedral, what's the proper thickness for cowling aluminum, should tailwheel cables be anchored at the rudder bar or mid-way, what is/are the best cable diameters to use,...etc. All these are common topics with varied opinions, yet you somehow think the list owes you an explanation about rib design. You belittle previous builders who have accepted Mr. Pietenpol's plans as "...right of passage," or "being accepted into the club." Has it not occurred to you that the charm of the Pietenpol is that A LOT is left to personal interpretation and variation? You are free to modernize your approach all you want...but why belittle others? If you have the solution to a problem for which you have been unable to find a solution, then, YOU be the one to solve, post it, and take credit. Furthermore, without the decency of even identifying yourself, I doubt if many of your fellow builders will ever take you seriously! Gary from Cool Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Piet2015 Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 7:57 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > I guess the short answer is, "NO." The practical answer is, "Once the offending uprights are filed and re-enforced, there is no interference." > Every Piet is different, and identifying which sticks should be moved would > be a waste of time. Furthermore, some builders prefer to anchor their ribs > at set dimensions on the spar, while others let them float until the wires > are placed. > > Gary from Cool > > -- The mantra here seems to be "build according to the plans". If so, this would indicate the ribs would be fixed at the locations shown on the plans. If the ribs are fixed at their proper location, figuring out what sticks to move wouldn't be a "waste of time", it would help countless future builders get it right without having to shift rib locations or remove and whittle sticks. A forum like this is in a position to help builders correct plans errors BEFORE construction begins. Instead, it seems every new Piet builder must make the same flawed build that everyone else did and then everyone here will tell them how to fix it AFTER the fact. Go through the archives here. Same questions over and over and over. Seems that building it wrong and then correcting it or rebuilding it is some kind of "Pietenpol right of passage". The thing one must do to be accepted into the "club". If someone post a question prior to some stage of building, they get the "build it according to the plans" or you are "over thinking this". You asked how am I going to solve the problem. Very easy with the modern tools we have available. I'm building a Riblett wing. When I designed my rib truss, I modeled it in 3D CAD and made sure there where no bracing wire to stick interference. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368606#368606 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:00 PM PST US From: "Gboothe5" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels Dave, Apologies for the delay...I needed to return home and happily wade through all those receipts! My relationship with Paugcho is..."special"...so I'm not surprised that they did not find a receipt. Now that I look at it, I see that my name is nowhere. I am sorry, though, to hear that Troy is no longer there. Sign of the times, I guess. The exact description is: "WHEEL, 21X2.15-NARROW FXD-XL 2000-UP" There is also on the left margin, a Part Number which is only partially legible: ??6-731 There is also a line item that suggests that the retail price, as you see below, is $339.57, for both (in Dec.=9908). 000_1185.jpg Best wishes in your quest for the =98perfect=99 set up! Gary -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of indyaquanaut Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels First of all, thanks to everyone who has replied. Great information. Gary I contacted Paugho but Troy no longer works there and they have no record of your purchase, so without part numbers they couldn=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2t help me. If you happen to have them it would really help. Michael, I can make the hubs and with a little guidance could lace and true them. Where did you get your rims and spokes and what did you do for your brakes. Again thanks to all, it=C3=A2=82=AC=84=A2s very helpful Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368497#368497 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 02:59:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wing wires and ribs From: "giacummo" The topic is closed, everybody go home. Thanks to all, be frendly, Best regards. Mario, el de aya abajo, que anda casi solo en esto de fabricar avionsitos. -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368648#368648 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 03:11:15 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Is there ANYTHING better... From: "giacummo" I little sight here and I saw someone with the same problems like me... I have a lots of semi finished parts, vertical and horizontal tail pieces finished (or quasi finished) months ago, now in the covering process, finishing a wing (5 month) a beginin with the second on, the center section, in the same stata as 6 month ago, the fuselage.... ataching the iron plates, my father making and remaking some iron parts (landing gear is near the end, the engine mount waiting for soldering, remaking the upper front fusselage iron plates of the engine support) , and so on.. a lot of things are there.. but not finished yet.. what a job!!!!! regards mario -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368651#368651 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels From: "giacummo" Hello, Today I am very ..... interested in everything I red... talking about the wheels, I am going to operate the airplane over grass fields, and eventualy those fields are rought; I ask you, is there any difference between thick and thin wheels?... thank you, mario -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368652#368652 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 03:51:50 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels > I'll take this one. > > The thick wheels are thicker than than the thin wheels which are thinner than the thick wheels. Sorry, I could not resist. > > "Smile son. Never disconcert the masses." do not archive. > John Hofmann > Vice-President, Information Technology > The Rees Group, Inc. > 2424 American Lane > Madison, WI 53704 > Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 > Fax: 608.443.2474 > Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:12 PM, giacummo wrote: > > > > Hello, > > Today I am very ..... interested in everything I red... talking about the wheels, I am going to operate the airplane over grass fields, and eventualy those fields are rought; I ask you, is there any difference between thick and thin wheels?... > > thank you, > > mario > > -------- > Mario Giacummo > http://vgmk1.blogspot.com > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368652#368652 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:09 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels Mario, Big diameter wheels will roll over those rough fields a little easier. They are heavy, though. My wheels weigh close to 25lbs each! I would not want the rims to be any wider. I understand that the aluminum wheels from Baslee are considerably lighter...but more expensive. Not sure if that answers your question... Gary from Cool NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 3:13 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels --> Hello, Today I am very ..... interested in everything I red... talking about the wheels, I am going to operate the airplane over grass fields, and eventualy those fields are rought; I ask you, is there any difference between thick and thin wheels?... thank you, mario -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368652#368652 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:12 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels From: "giacummo" May be I did the bad question, I know they have to have big diameter, but I ask about how thik.. 3", 5"....7" . is any difference in rough fields?.. I think wider could be beter, but may be not.. this is why I ask Thank you Gary. mario gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > Mario, > > Big diameter wheels will roll over those rough fields a little easier. They > are heavy, though. My wheels weigh close to 25lbs each! I would not want the > rims to be any wider. I understand that the aluminum wheels from Baslee are > considerably lighter...but more expensive. Not sure if that answers your > question... > > Gary from Cool > NX308MB > > -- -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368658#368658 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 05:48:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 2 local EAA members gone west From: "Jerry Dotson" Today 2 of our EAA Chapter 108 members lost their life in a Piel Emeraude CP-301-A just off the north end of Ruckel(FL17). No details other than their names Don Marco and Stan Bloyer. Don was the chapter Flight Adviser. Stan has flown lots of military stuff. I knew both of them and my youngest son flew with Stan on several occasions. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 Started building NX510JD July, 2009 now covering and painting 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368659#368659 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 2 local EAA members gone west From: "K5YAC" Sorry to hear that Jerry. We lost two of our friends and fellow EAA members off the north end of our runway in 2010... I was working on the Piet and saw them spin in... just a sickening feeling. Prayers for you and your group. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368660#368660 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:51:07 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels Mine are 3" wide and have seen some pretty rough fields, with no problems. I don't think you'd need them any wider. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of giacummo Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 8:36 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wire Wheels May be I did the bad question, I know they have to have big diameter, but I ask about how thik.. 3", 5"....7" . is any difference in rough fields?.. I think wider could be beter, but may be not.. this is why I ask Thank you Gary. mario gboothe5(at)comcast.net wrote: > Mario, > > Big diameter wheels will roll over those rough fields a little easier. They > are heavy, though. My wheels weigh close to 25lbs each! I would not want the > rims to be any wider. I understand that the aluminum wheels from Baslee are > considerably lighter...but more expensive. Not sure if that answers your > question... > > Gary from Cool > NX308MB > > -- -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368658#368658 ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:12 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: wondering Mountain Piet is being rebuilt by Greg Bacon in Missouri. The wing panel is ready for covering. He is hoping to have it at Brodhead this year but a heavy work schedule with his job may prevent that. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "skellytown flyer" Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 11:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: wondering > > > Well I can't remember the status of the Mountain Piet.I know it was being > rebuilt but cannot remember if it was finished how it is performing.anyway > also thought I'd see if I could sign in from this computer I am switching > over to.I'm going to a different email address so even if I get this > posted I'm not sure how I'll be able to switch my email address in the > sit. Raymond > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368623#368623 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.