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     1. 04:19 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear V's (Jack)
     2. 05:33 AM - Re: hand help radio question (gliderx5@comcast.net)
     3. 09:15 AM - handheld radio question (Lawrence Williams)
     4. 09:31 AM - Re: Re: Landing Gear V's (Michael Perez)
     5. 09:38 AM - Re: handheld radio question (Jack@textors.com)
     6. 11:45 AM - Re: handheld radio question (kevinpurtee)
     7. 12:21 PM - Re: Landing Gear V question (taildrags)
     8. 01:41 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Frank Metcalfe)
     9. 01:55 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Jack Phillips)
    10. 03:09 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Peter W Johnson)
    11. 04:18 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Jack Phillips)
    12. 04:40 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (airlion)
    13. 04:57 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
    14. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: Landing Gear V question (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
    15. 05:36 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Hans van der Voort)
    16. 05:50 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Ben Charvet)
    17. 06:09 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Peter W Johnson)
    18. 06:18 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Ryan Mueller)
    19. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: handheld radio question (Ryan Mueller)
    20. 06:31 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
    21. 06:34 PM - Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
    22. 08:14 PM - Aluminum 8 plug Model A head for sale (Jim Markle)
    23. 09:36 PM - started annual inspection early (shad bell)
 
 
 
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| Subject:  | Re: Landing Gear V's | 
      
      Thanks Mark and others, it's been one of the tougher segments to date.  This
      calculator http://metalgeek.com/static/cope.pcgi was helpful.  Using it and
      red craft? paper saved some 4130. Also, cut and fit the rear V's first, that
      way you have enough scrap left for the front when you mess up the rear. :)
      Still have a long way to go with the springs, lugs and brakes.
      
      
      Jack Textor
      DSM
      NX1929T
      
      
      -----Original Message-----
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
      Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 11:58 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear V's
      
      
      Looks great Jack, and quite inspiring as I contemplate my metal work.  I
      hope to have my fuse on gear this year.
      
      --------
      Mark Chouinard
      Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368757#368757
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: hand help radio question | 
      
      I also use an ICOM A6 with a remote antenna and it works great. One thing t
      o note however is that (at least on mine) you must use a remote PTT when us
      ing a headset. If you key the mic using the radio mounted PTT it will activ
      ate the mic on the radio, not the mic on the headset. The remote PTT solves
       this. I did not have the same issue when using an intercom for some reason
      . Bottom line is that the A6 works well. 
      
      Malcolm Morrison 
      http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123 
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Hans van der Voort" <nx15kv@yahoo.com> 
      Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 9:49:31 AM 
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: hand help radio question 
      
      
      Douwe, 
      
      I use the Icom A6 with a Dave Clark head set and home made PTT switch on th
      e Stick. 
      
      Standard antenna, good reception, 20+ miles (other aircraft) 
      Transmitting range 3-5 miles (in the air) 
      
      I am happy with it 
      
      Hans 
      
      NX15KV 
      Waller, TX 
      
      
      From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> 
      Sent: Friday, March 16, 2012 8:30 AM 
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: hand help radio question 
      
      
      I believe I=99ve asked this a while back, but lost it, so accept my a
      pologies. 
      
      Two questions 
      
      
          1. what handheld radio should I purchase. Something simple just to comm
      unicate. 
          2. Is your radio range acceptable or should I look into adding an exter
      nal antennae of some kind. 
      
      
      Thanks! 
      
      Douwe 
      
      http://www.matronics.com/N================
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| Subject:  | handheld radio question | 
      
      Douwe-
      -
      I doubt if I can be of much help since-the handheld radio in my Piet has 
      been hibernating in my helmet box for 10 years. As others have alluded, I d
      on't do any "Real" cross-country flying but tend to stay in the WI,IL,IN,IA
      ,KY,OH MO and AR area. Maybe if I had an external antenna or a panel mounte
      d radio I would be able to do some travelling. Oh, well.-Self-limited by 
      my lack of forethought, I guess.
      -
      Larry
      -
      ps. anybody want to buy a unused handheld radio??
      -
      do not archive
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Landing Gear V's | 
      
      Looks very nice Jack!- Good idea with the craft paper. The white poster b
      oard has also saved me a lot in wood and metal costs.- Looking forward to
       seeing you gear completed, so keep us posted.
      
      Michael Perez
      Karetaker Aero
      www.karetakeraero.com
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: handheld radio question | 
      
      I used portables when ferrying a/c from the Cessna factory, the range was ve
      ry limited, about five miles.  I plan to use a panel mount 2 1/4 inch Flight
       Line http://www.gulfcoastavionics.com/products/1338-fl-760.aspx and transpo
      nder in the center section.  Anybody have comments or experience with Flight
       Line? 
      
      Jack Textor
      Sent from my iPad
      
      On Mar 17, 2012, at 11:13 AM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
      
      > Douwe-
      >  
      > I doubt if I can be of much help since the handheld radio in my Piet has b
      een hibernating in my helmet box for 10 years. As others have alluded, I don
      't do any "Real" cross-country flying but tend to stay in the WI,IL,IN,IA,KY
      ,OH MO and AR area. Maybe if I had an external antenna or a panel mounted ra
      dio I would be able to do some travelling. Oh, well. Self-limited by my lack
       of forethought, I guess.
      >  
      > Larry
      >  
      > ps. anybody want to buy a unused handheld radio??
      >  
      > do not archive
      > 
      > 
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| Subject:  | Re: handheld radio question | 
      
      
      How do you expect to get into LaGuardia, Larry?
      
      Can't wait to show you the new glass panel in fat bottom girl at Brodhead this
      year.
      
      do not archive
      
      --------
      Kevin "Axel" Purtee
      NX899KP
      Austin/Georgetown, TX
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368774#368774
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Landing Gear V question | 
      
      
      At the risk of muddying up the water without really knowing what I'm talking about,
      I will mention that I remember someone saying that covering the landing gear
      vees would degrade the airplane's rudder authority by adding flat surface
      to the side.
      
      Maybe we need a "Snopes" myth-buster for this list?
      
      --------
      Oscar Zuniga
      Medford, OR
      Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
      A75 power
      
      
      Read this topic online here:
      
      http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368775#368775
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
       the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year. 
      
      --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
      
      
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      sun n fun- wil only think of themselves and will- get rid of anything t
      hat looks like a disaster to the public.
      
      
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any 
      damage done to their property
      
      
      From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
      Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.- Onl
      y live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
      
      Ben Charvet
      
      On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: 
      
      If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an appropri
      ate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If you're fly
      ing down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we could do 
      the story the weekend before. 
      
      
      thanks
      
      
      Ed Wischmeyer
      
      
      912 665-2969
      
      
      -- 
      Ben Charvet, PharmD
      Staff Pharmacist
      Parrish Medical center
      
      
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| Subject:  | Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      Nope - I've flown my Pietenpol to Sun 'n' Fun once, but never again after
      what they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP
      
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
      Metcalfe
      Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
      the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year. 
      
      --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
      
      
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      sun n fun  wil only think of themselves and will  get rid of anything that
      looks like a disaster to the public.
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
      damage done to their property
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
      Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.  Only
      live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
      
      Ben Charvet
      
      On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: 
      
      
      If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
      appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
      you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we
      could do the story the weekend before. 
      
      
      thanks
      
      
      Ed Wischmeyer
      
      
      912 665-2969
      
      
      -- 
      
      
      Ben Charvet, PharmD
      
      
      Staff Pharmacist
      
      
      Parrish Medical center
      
      
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| Subject:  | Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      Jack,
      
      
      Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
      
      
      Cheers
      
      
      Peter
      
      Wonthaggi Australia
      
      http://www.cpc-world.com
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      Nope - I've flown my Pietenpol to Sun 'n' Fun once, but never again after
      what they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP
      
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
      Metcalfe
      Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
      the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year. 
      
      --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
      
      
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      sun n fun  wil only think of themselves and will  get rid of anything that
      looks like a disaster to the public.
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
      damage done to their property
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
      Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.  Only
      live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
      
      Ben Charvet
      
      On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: 
      
      
      If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
      appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
      you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we
      could do the story the weekend before. 
      
      
      thanks
      
      
      Ed Wischmeyer
      
      
      912 665-2969
      
      
      -- 
      
      
      Ben Charvet, PharmD
      
      
      Staff Pharmacist
      
      
      Parrish Medical center
      
      
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| Subject:  | Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      Gardiner or Barry  or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened
      to them.  Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in
      the process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be
      loaded on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia.  The
      officials of SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes.  A private
      contractor, hired by SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with
      forklifts and dumped them on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm
      had done.  
      
      
      Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost
      of the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of
      the Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to
      $30,000 each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the
      fuel spilled by the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm
      hit) - a total of over 100 gallons!  Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100
      gallons of fuel between them.
      
      
      Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come,
      but it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
      
      
      There, Peter - that's the story as I know it.  I may have a detail or two
      confused, but essentially that's it.  I think these poor pilots (who had no
      insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily
      treated by the SNF officials.  Frankly, I doubt I'll ever go back there,
      which is a shame because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP
      
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
      Johnson
      Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      Jack,
      
      
      Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
      
      
      Cheers
      
      
      Peter
      
      Wonthaggi Australia
      
      http://www.cpc-world.com
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      Nope - I've flown my Pietenpol to Sun 'n' Fun once, but never again after
      what they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP
      
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
      <mailto:%5bmailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com%5d>  On Behalf
      Of Frank Metcalfe
      Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
      the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year. 
      
      --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
      
      
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      sun n fun  wil only think of themselves and will  get rid of anything that
      looks like a disaster to the public.
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
      damage done to their property
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
      Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.  Only
      live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
      
      Ben Charvet
      
      On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: 
      
      
      If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
      appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
      you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we
      could do the story the weekend before. 
      
      
      thanks
      
      
      Ed Wischmeyer
      
      
      912 665-2969
      
      
      -- 
      Ben Charvet, PharmD
      Staff Pharmacist
      Parrish Medical center
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are  fitted.
       Hope =0Ato fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You sh
      ould consider =0Ajoining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696  FOR THE triple tree fl
      y in just after Labor =0Aday. Cheers, Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A______________
      __________________=0AFrom: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pie
      tenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sat, March 17, 2012 7:17:31 PM=0ASubject:
       RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=0A =0AGardiner
       or Barry  or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened to =0At
      hem.  Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in th
      e =0Aprocess of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to 
      be loaded =0Aon trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia .  T
      he officials of =0ASNF made them stop and leave their airplanes.  A private
       contractor, hired by =0ASNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft 
      with forklifts and dumped them =0Aon a trailer, causing more damage than th
      e storm had done.  =0A=0A =0AThen, this summer, SNF found that their insura
      nce would not cover the cost of =0Athe private contractor they had chosen, 
      so they sent a letter to each of the =0APietenpol owners advising them that
       they would have to pay close to $30,000 =0Aeach, for the private contracto
      r and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled by =0Athe three aircraft (on
      e of which was empty before the storm hit) =93 a total of =0Aover 100
       gallons!  Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between =0Ath
      em.=0A =0AOf course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which 
      will come, but =0Ait will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.=0A =0AThere, P
      eter =93 that=99s the story as I know it.  I may have a detail 
      or two =0Aconfused, but essentially that=99s it.  I think these poor 
      pilots (who had no =0Ainsurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have be
      en very shoddily treated by =0Athe SNF officials.  Frankly, I doubt I
      =99ll ever go back there, which is a shame =0Abecause it used to be one of 
      my favorite fly-ins.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, V
      irginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFrom:owner-pietenpo
      l-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronic
      s.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson=0ASent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 P
      M=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenp
      ol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A =0AJack,=0A =0AEnlighten us on what happen
      ed. Was this after the damage done by the storm?=0A =0ACheers=0A =0APeter
      =0AWonthaggi  Australia=0Ahttp://www.cpc-world.com=0A =0A =0A =0AFrom:owner
      -pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server
      @matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips=0ASent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:
      54 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pie
      tenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A =0ANope =93 I=99ve flown m
      y Pietenpol to Sun =98n=99 Fun once, but never again after what
       =0Athey did to the Pieten Pile folks.=0A =0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmit
      h Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AF
      rom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com =0A[mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
      st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe=0ASent: Saturday, Marc
      h 17, 2012 4:41 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: Pieten
      pol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A =0AI would offer the Sun 
      N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt   winner for 2011 but after =0Athe bill I wont 
      be flying it down there this year   or any other year. =0A=0A=0A--- On Fri,
       3/16/12, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:=0A=0AFrom: airlion <airlio
      n@bellsouth.net>=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at 
      Sun n Fun=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ADate: Friday, March 16, 2012
      , 6:38 PM=0Asun n fun  wil only think of themselves and   will  get rid of 
      anything that =0Alooks like a disaster to the public.=0A =0A=0A____________
      ____________________=0A =0AFrom:airlion   <airlion@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pie
      tenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Fri, March 16, 2012   6:30:20 PM=0ASubjec
      t: Re: Pietenpol-List:   Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0ABest you ch
      eck out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN   WILL NAIL YOU FOR any =0Adamage
       done to their property=0A =0A=0A________________________________=0A =0AFro
      m:Ben Charvet   <bencharvet@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      =0ASent: Fri, March 16, 2012   4:20:11 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List:   Piet
      enpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=0AI'm hoping to have my photogenic, wel
      l-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.    Only =0Alive 70 miles away in Titusville
       ,   Fl if you'd rather see it there.=0A=0ABen Charvet=0A=0AOn 3/16/2012 9:
      50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: =0A=0AIf anybody has a photogenic, well-built P
      ietenpol that would be an   appropriate =0Asubject for a Kitplanes pilot re
      port, please let me know. If   you're flying =0Adown from the north, I live
       just outside  Savannah , GA ,   and we could do the =0Astory the weekend b
      efore. =0A=0A =0Athanks=0A =0AEd Wischmeyer=0A =0A=0A912 665-2969=0A  =0A  
      =0A  =0A =0A-- =0ABen Charvet, PharmD=0AStaff Pharmacist=0AParrish Medical 
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      n=0A  =0A  =0A  =0Ahref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Lis
      t">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0A href="http://foru
      ms.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0Ahref="http://www.matroni
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      
      What is the EAA relationship to Sun n Fun? 
      
      Steve D
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      > Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are  
      > fitted. Hope 
      > to fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You 
      > should consider 
      > joining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696  FOR THE triple tree fly in just 
      > after Labor 
      > day. Cheers, Gardiner
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > ________________________________
      > From: Jack Phillips <
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 7:17:31 PM
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > 
      > 
      > Gardiner or Barry  or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened to
      
      > them.  Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in the
      
      > process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be loaded
      
      > on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia .  The officials of
      
      > SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes.  A private contractor, hired by
      
      > SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped them
      
      > on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm had done.  
      > 
      > 
      > Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost of
      
      > the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of the
      
      > Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to $30,000 
      > each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled
      by 
      > the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm hit)  a total of
      
      > over 100 gallons!  Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between
      
      > them.
      > 
      > Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come, but
      
      > it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
      > 
      > There, Peter  thats the story as I know it.  I may have a detail or two 
      > confused, but essentially thats it.  I think these poor pilots (who had no 
      > insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily treated
      by 
      > the SNF officials.  Frankly, I doubt Ill ever go back there, which is a shame
      
      > because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
      > 
      > Jack Phillips
      > NX899JP
      > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      > 
      > 
      > ________________________________
      > 
      > From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson
      > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > 
      > Jack,
      > 
      > Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
      > 
      > Cheers
      > 
      > Peter
      > Wonthaggi  Australia
      > http://www.cpc-world.com
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      > Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > 
      > Nope  Ive flown my Pietenpol to Sun n Fun once, but never again after what 
      > they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
      > 
      > Jack Phillips
      > NX899JP
      > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      > 
      > 
      > ________________________________
      > 
      > From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe
      > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > 
      > I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt   winner for 2011 but after
      
      > the bill I wont be flying it down there this year   or any other year. 
      > 
      > 
      > --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion < wrote:
      > 
      > From: airlion <
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
      > sun n fun  wil only think of themselves and   will  get rid of anything that
      
      > looks like a disaster to the public.
      > 
      > 
      > ________________________________
      > 
      > From:airlion   <
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012   6:30:20 PM
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:   Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN   WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
      
      > damage done to their property
      > 
      > 
      > ________________________________
      > 
      > From:Ben Charvet   <
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012   4:20:11 PM
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List:   Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > 
      > I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.    Only
      
      > live 70 miles away in Titusville ,   Fl if you'd rather see it there.
      > 
      > Ben Charvet
      > 
      > On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: 
      > 
      > If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an   appropriate
      
      > subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If   you're flying
      
      > down from the north, I live just outside  Savannah , GA ,   and we could do the
      
      > story the weekend before. 
      > 
      > 
      > thanks
      > 
      > Ed Wischmeyer
      > 
      > 
      > 912 665-2969
      >  
      >  
      >  
      > 
      > -- 
      > Ben Charvet, PharmD
      > Staff Pharmacist
      > Parrish Medical center
      >  
      >  
      >  
      >  
      >  
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      >   
      > 
      >  
      >  
      >  
      > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      >  
      > http://forums.matronics.com
      >  
      > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject:  | Re: Landing Gear V question | 
      
      
      Oscar, a the risk of showing my ignorance, how much effect could it have? the LG
      are just about at the pivot point of the aircraft. 
      
      Steve, "not an aerodynamacyst" D
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Landing Gear V question
      
      
      > 
      > At the risk of muddying up the water without really knowing what I'm talking
      about, I will mention that I remember someone saying that 
      > covering the landing gear vees would degrade the airplane's rudder 
      > authority by adding flat surface to the side.
      > 
      > Maybe we need a "Snopes" myth-buster for this list?
      > 
      > --------
      > Oscar Zuniga
      > Medford, OR
      > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
      > A75 power
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > Read this topic online here:
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368775#368775
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      There you go, That's a story for kit planes, but I doubt it will ever end u
      p in print=0A=C2-=0AHans=0A=C2-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A=0AFrom: Jack P
      hillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent
      : Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:17 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol
       for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=0AGardiner or Barry=C2- or Frank can answe
      r better than I can, since it happened to them.=C2- Basically, after the 
      storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in the process of salvaging what
       they could and were preparing the planes to be loaded on trailers, which w
      ere already on their way from Georgia .=C2- The officials of SNF made the
      m stop and leave their airplanes.=C2- A private contractor, hired by SNF,
       then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped the
      m on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm had done.=C2- =0A=C2
      -=0AThen, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the
       cost of the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to e
      ach of the Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close
       to $30,000 each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up th
      e fuel spilled by the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the sto
      rm hit) =93 a total of over 100 gallons!=C2- Imagine two Pietenpols
       holding 100 gallons of fuel between them.=0A=C2-=0AOf course, the owners
       can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come, but it will cost the
      m dearly to hire a lawyer.=0A=C2-=0AThere, Peter =93 that=99s
       the story as I know it.=C2- I may have a detail or two confused, but ess
      entially that=99s it.=C2- I think these poor pilots (who had no ins
      urance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily treated 
      by the SNF officials.=C2- Frankly, I doubt I=99ll ever go back ther
      e, which is a shame because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.=0A=C2
      -=0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia=0A=C2-=0AFr
      om:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-s
      erver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson=0ASent: Saturday, March 1
      7, 2012 6:09 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol
      -List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=C2-=0AJack,=0A=C2-=0AEnl
      ighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?=0A
      =C2-=0ACheers=0A=C2-=0APeter=0AWonthaggi Australia=0Ahttp://www.cpc-wor
      ld.com=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matron
      ics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jac
      k Phillips=0ASent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matro
      nics.com=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fu
      n=0A=C2-=0ANope =93 I=99ve flown my Pietenpol to Sun 
      =98n=99 Fun once, but never again after what they did to the Pieten P
      ile folks.=0A=C2-=0AJack Phillips=0ANX899JP=0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virgin
      ia=0A=C2-=0AFrom:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
      pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe=0ASent: Sa
      turday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ASubject
      : Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=C2-=0AI wou
      ld offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after the 
      bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year. =0A=0A--- 
      On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:=0A=0AFrom: airlion 
      <airlion@bellsouth.net>=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitpla
      nes at Sun n Fun=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0ADate: Friday, March 1
      6, 2012, 6:38 PM=0Asun n fun=C2- wil only think of themselves and will=C2
      - get rid of anything that looks like a disaster to the public.=0A=C2-
      =0AFrom:airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      =0ASent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Piet
      enpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0ABest you check out your tornado insuranc
      e. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any damage done to their property=0A=C2-
      =0AFrom:Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.c
      om=0ASent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Pieten
      pol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun=0A=0AI'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-
      built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.=C2- Only live 70 miles away in Titusville ,
       Fl if you'd rather see it there.=0A=0ABen Charvet=0A=0AOn 3/16/2012 9:50 A
      M, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: =0A=0AIf anybody has a photogenic, well-built Piete
      npol that would be an appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, ple
      ase let me know. If you're flying down from the north, I live just outside 
      Savannah , GA , and we could do the story the weekend before. =0A=C2-=0At
      hanks=0A=C2-=0AEd Wischmeyer=0A=C2-=0A=0A912 665-2969=0A=C2-=0A=C2-
      =0A=C2-=0A=C2-=0A-- =0ABen Charvet, PharmD=0AStaff Pharmacist=0AParrish
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      
      EAA doesn't have any ties to SNF anymore. Its run by a corp.  Sorry to have brought
      such a bad memory back.   I was there during the tornado last year and bad
      weather on the Tues before is the only reason my Piet wasnt in the "pile". Still
      , flyin there has been on my bucket list since long before I bought my plans.....
      Ben
      
      Sent from my iPhone
      
      On Mar 17, 2012, at 7:57 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
      wrote:
      
      > 
      > What is the EAA relationship to Sun n Fun? 
      > 
      > Steve D
      > 
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      > Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012 18:46
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > 
      > 
      >> Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are  
      >> fitted. Hope 
      >> to fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You 
      >> should consider 
      >> joining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696  FOR THE triple tree fly in just 
      >> after Labor 
      >> day. Cheers, Gardiner
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> ________________________________
      >> From: Jack Phillips <
      >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >> Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 7:17:31 PM
      >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      >> 
      >> 
      >> Gardiner or Barry  or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened
      to 
      >> them.  Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in the
      
      >> process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be loaded
      
      >> on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia .  The officials of
      
      >> SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes.  A private contractor, hired by
      
      >> SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped
      them 
      >> on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm had done.  
      >> 
      >> 
      >> Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost of
      
      >> the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of the
      
      >> Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to $30,000
      
      >> each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled
      by 
      >> the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm hit)  a total of
      
      >> over 100 gallons!  Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between
      
      >> them.
      >> 
      >> Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come,
      but 
      >> it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
      >> 
      >> There, Peter  thats the story as I know it.  I may have a detail or two 
      >> confused, but essentially thats it.  I think these poor pilots (who had no 
      >> insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily treated
      by 
      >> the SNF officials.  Frankly, I doubt Ill ever go back there, which is a shame
      
      >> because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
      >> 
      >> Jack Phillips
      >> NX899JP
      >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      >> 
      >> 
      >> ________________________________
      >> 
      >> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson
      >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
      >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      >> 
      >> Jack,
      >> 
      >> Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
      >> 
      >> Cheers
      >> 
      >> Peter
      >> Wonthaggi  Australia
      >> http://www.cpc-world.com
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      >> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
      >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      >> 
      >> Nope  Ive flown my Pietenpol to Sun n Fun once, but never again after what 
      >> they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
      >> 
      >> Jack Phillips
      >> NX899JP
      >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      >> 
      >> 
      >> ________________________________
      >> 
      >> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe
      >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
      >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      >> 
      >> I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt   winner for 2011 but after
      
      >> the bill I wont be flying it down there this year   or any other year. 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion < wrote:
      >> 
      >> From: airlion <
      >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >> Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
      >> sun n fun  wil only think of themselves and   will  get rid of anything that
      
      >> looks like a disaster to the public.
      >> 
      >> 
      >> ________________________________
      >> 
      >> From:airlion   <
      >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012   6:30:20 PM
      >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:   Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      >> Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN   WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
      
      >> damage done to their property
      >> 
      >> 
      >> ________________________________
      >> 
      >> From:Ben Charvet   <
      >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012   4:20:11 PM
      >> Subject: Pietenpol-List:   Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      >> 
      >> I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.    Only
      
      >> live 70 miles away in Titusville ,   Fl if you'd rather see it there.
      >> 
      >> Ben Charvet
      >> 
      >> On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: 
      >> 
      >> If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an   appropriate
      
      >> subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If   you're flying
      
      >> down from the north, I live just outside  Savannah , GA ,   and we could do
      the 
      >> story the weekend before. 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> thanks
      >> 
      >> Ed Wischmeyer
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 912 665-2969
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> -- 
      >> Ben Charvet, PharmD
      >> Staff Pharmacist
      >> Parrish Medical center
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      >> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
      >> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      >> 
      >> http://forums.matronics.com
      >> 
      >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      >> 
      >> 
      >> 
      >> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      >> href="blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com 
      >> href="blockedhttp://www.matroni========  
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      
      
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| Subject:  | Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      Thanks Jack,
      
      
      Not a good story. I wonder why it never made it into the public arena. This
      is the first I have heard of it.
      
      
      Cheers
      
      
      Peter
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 10:18 AM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      Gardiner or Barry  or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened
      to them.  Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in
      the process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be
      loaded on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia.  The
      officials of SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes.  A private
      contractor, hired by SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with
      forklifts and dumped them on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm
      had done.  
      
      
      Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost
      of the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of
      the Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to
      $30,000 each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the
      fuel spilled by the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm
      hit) - a total of over 100 gallons!  Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100
      gallons of fuel between them.
      
      
      Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come,
      but it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
      
      
      There, Peter - that's the story as I know it.  I may have a detail or two
      confused, but essentially that's it.  I think these poor pilots (who had no
      insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily
      treated by the SNF officials.  Frankly, I doubt I'll ever go back there,
      which is a shame because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP
      
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
      Johnson
      Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      Jack,
      
      
      Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
      
      
      Cheers
      
      
      Peter
      
      Wonthaggi Australia
      
      http://www.cpc-world.com
      
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      Phillips
      Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
      Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      Nope - I've flown my Pietenpol to Sun 'n' Fun once, but never again after
      what they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
      
      
      Jack Phillips
      
      NX899JP
      
      Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
      <mailto:%5bmailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com%5d>  On Behalf
      Of Frank Metcalfe
      Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 but after
      the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any other year. 
      
      --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net> wrote:
      
      
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      sun n fun  wil only think of themselves and will  get rid of anything that
      looks like a disaster to the public.
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
      damage done to their property
      
      
        _____  
      
      From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
      Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
      Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.  Only
      live 70 miles away in Titusville, Fl if you'd rather see it there.
      
      Ben Charvet
      
      On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: 
      
      
      If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
      appropriate subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If
      you're flying down from the north, I live just outside Savannah, GA, and we
      could do the story the weekend before. 
      
      
      thanks
      
      
      Ed Wischmeyer
      
      
      912 665-2969
      
      
      -- 
      Ben Charvet, PharmD
      Staff Pharmacist
      Parrish Medical center
      
      
      " rel=nofollow
      target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
      llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
      http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      
      http://forums.matronics.com
      
      http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      
      
      href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic
      s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
      href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
      
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      >From what I learned from individuals that had been there through the years,
      there is none; it was suggested that move was tied in with the group that
      forced Billy Henderson out....
      
      do not archive
      
      On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 6:57 PM, Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB <
      steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil> wrote:
      
      > steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
      >
      > What is the EAA relationship to Sun n Fun?
      >
      > Steve D
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
      > Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012 18:46
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      >
      >
      > > Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are
      > > fitted. Hope
      > > to fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You
      > > should consider
      > > joining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696  FOR THE triple tree fly in just
      > > after Labor
      > > day. Cheers, Gardiner
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________
      > > From: Jack Phillips <
      > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > > Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 7:17:31 PM
      > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >
      > >
      > > Gardiner or Barry  or Frank can answer better than I can, since it
      > happened to
      > > them.  Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were
      > in the
      > > process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to b
      e
      > loaded
      > > on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia .  The
      > officials of
      > > SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes.  A private contractor,
      > hired by
      > > SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with forklifts and
      > dumped them
      > > on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm had done.
      > >
      > >
      > > Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the
      > cost of
      > > the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each o
      f
      > the
      > > Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to
      > $30,000
      > > each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the fuel
      > spilled by
      > > the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm hit) ' a
      > total of
      > > over 100 gallons!  Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel
      > between
      > > them.
      > >
      > > Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will
      > come, but
      > > it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
      > >
      > > There, Peter ' that=92s the story as I know it.  I may have a detail 
      or two
      > > confused, but essentially that=92s it.  I think these poor pilots (who 
      had
      > no
      > > insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily
      > treated by
      > > the SNF officials.  Frankly, I doubt I=92ll ever go back there, which i
      s a
      > shame
      > > because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
      > >
      > > Jack Phillips
      > > NX899JP
      > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________
      > >
      > > From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W
      > Johnson
      > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
      > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >
      > > Jack,
      > >
      > > Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the
      > storm?
      > >
      > > Cheers
      > >
      > > Peter
      > > Wonthaggi  Australia
      > > http://www.cpc-world.com
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
      > Phillips
      > > Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
      > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >
      > > Nope ' I=92ve flown my Pietenpol to Sun =91n=92 Fun once, but never a
      gain
      > after what
      > > they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
      > >
      > > Jack Phillips
      > > NX899JP
      > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________
      > >
      > > From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
      > > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank
      > Metcalfe
      > > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
      > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >
      > > I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt   winner for 2011 but
      > after
      > > the bill I wont be flying it down there this year   or any other year.
      > >
      > >
      > > --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion < wrote:
      > >
      > > From: airlion <
      > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > > Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
      > > sun n fun  wil only think of themselves and   will  get rid of anything
      > that
      > > looks like a disaster to the public.
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________
      > >
      > > From:airlion   <
      > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > > Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012   6:30:20 PM
      > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:   Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > > Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN   WILL NAIL YOU FO
      R
      > any
      > > damage done to their property
      > >
      > >
      > > ________________________________
      > >
      > > From:Ben Charvet   <
      > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > > Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012   4:20:11 PM
      > > Subject: Pietenpol-List:   Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >
      > > I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.
      >  Only
      > > live 70 miles away in Titusville ,   Fl if you'd rather see it there.
      > >
      > > Ben Charvet
      > >
      > > On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote:
      > >
      > > If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an
      > appropriate
      > > subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If   you're
      > flying
      > > down from the north, I live just outside  Savannah , GA ,   and we coul
      d
      > do the
      > > story the weekend before.
      > >
      > >
      > > thanks
      > >
      > > Ed Wischmeyer
      > >
      > >
      > > 912 665-2969
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > --
      > > Ben Charvet, PharmD
      > > Staff Pharmacist
      > > Parrish Medical center
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > " rel=nofollow target=_blank>
      > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      > > et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
      > > llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      > >
      > > http://forums.matronics.com
      > >
      > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">
      > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      > > href="blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
      > > href="blockedhttp://www.matroni=======
      >
      >
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| Subject:  | Re: handheld radio question | 
      
      An iPad velcro'ed to the dash does not really count as a glass panel....
      
      do not archive
      
      On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 1:44 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
      
      > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
      >
      > How do you expect to get into LaGuardia, Larry?
      >
      > Can't wait to show you the new glass panel in fat bottom girl at Brodhead
      > this year.
      >
      > do not archive
      >
      > --------
      > Kevin "Axel" Purtee
      > NX899KP
      > Austin/Georgetown, TX
      >
      >
      > Read this topic online here:
      >
      > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368774#368774
      >
      >
      
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      
      Ben, I went to the SNF site and the EAA is not mentioned, however AOPA is a Platinum
      supporter. I will prod AOPA on this. If SNF is "attacking" aircraft owners,
      then they will not be getting my money. If AOPA is supporting someone who
      is "attacking' Aircraft owners, then I will ride them hard. When I get more info
      on this I will be letting both my current EAA chapter know what the deal is
      and my previous one. 
      
      In a way this is similar to blaming the victim of a sexual assault for the attack
      and making them pay for the police time and ambulance ride. 
      
      Blue Skies,
      Steve D
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      > 
      > EAA doesn't have any ties to SNF anymore. Its run by a corp.  Sorry to have brought
      such a bad memory back.   I was there during the tornado 
      > last year and bad weather on the Tues before is the only reason my 
      > Piet wasnt in the "pile". Still , flyin there has been on my bucket 
      > list since long before I bought my plans.....
      > Ben
      > 
      > Sent from my iPhone
      > 
      > On Mar 17, 2012, at 7:57 PM, "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" < wrote:
      > 
      > > 
      > > What is the EAA relationship to Sun n Fun? 
      > > 
      > > Steve D
      > > 
      > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > From: airlion <
      > > Date: Saturday, March 17, 2012 18:46
      > > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > > 
      > > 
      > >> Well spoken Jack. I am about ready to cover 2 wings after they are  
      > >> fitted. Hope 
      > >> to fly to brodhead but if I am not ready then I will drive. You 
      > >> should consider 
      > >> joining with us(CARROLLTON EAA 696  FOR THE triple tree fly in just 
      > >> after Labor 
      > >> day. Cheers, Gardiner
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> ________________________________
      > >> From: Jack Phillips <>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > >> Sent: Sat, March 17, 2012 7:17:31 PM
      > >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> Gardiner or Barry  or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened
      to 
      > >> them.  Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in
      the 
      > >> process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be loaded
      
      > >> on trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia .  The officials
      of 
      > >> SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes.  A private contractor, hired
      by 
      > >> SNF, then picked up the fragile, damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped
      them 
      > >> on a trailer, causing more damage than the storm had done.  
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost
      of 
      > >> the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of the
      
      > >> Pietenpol owners advising them that they would have to pay close to $30,000
      
      > >> each, for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled
      by 
      > >> the three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm hit)  a total
      of 
      > >> over 100 gallons!  Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between
      
      > >> them.
      > >> 
      > >> Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come,
      but 
      > >> it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
      > >> 
      > >> There, Peter  thats the story as I know it.  I may have a detail or two 
      > >> confused, but essentially thats it.  I think these poor pilots (who had no
      
      > >> insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) have been very shoddily treated
      by 
      > >> the SNF officials.  Frankly, I doubt Ill ever go back there, which is a shame
      
      > >> because it used to be one of my favorite fly-ins.
      > >> 
      > >> Jack Phillips
      > >> NX899JP
      > >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> ________________________________
      > >> 
      > >> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      > >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson
      > >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
      > >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >> 
      > >> Jack,
      > >> 
      > >> Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by the storm?
      > >> 
      > >> Cheers
      > >> 
      > >> Peter
      > >> Wonthaggi  Australia
      > >> http://www.cpc-world.com
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      > >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      > >> Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
      > >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > >> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >> 
      > >> Nope  Ive flown my Pietenpol to Sun n Fun once, but never again after what
      
      > >> they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
      > >> 
      > >> Jack Phillips
      > >> NX899JP
      > >> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> ________________________________
      > >> 
      > >> From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com 
      > >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe
      > >> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
      > >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >> 
      > >> I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt   winner for 2011 but after
      
      > >> the bill I wont be flying it down there this year   or any other year. 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion <>> 
      > >> From: airlion <>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at
      Sun n Fun
      > >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > >> Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
      > >> sun n fun  wil only think of themselves and   will  get rid of anything that
      
      > >> looks like a disaster to the public.
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> ________________________________
      > >> 
      > >> From:airlion   <>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > >> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012   6:30:20 PM
      > >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List:   Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >> Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN   WILL NAIL YOU FOR any
      
      > >> damage done to their property
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> ________________________________
      > >> 
      > >> From:Ben Charvet   <>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > >> Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012   4:20:11 PM
      > >> Subject: Pietenpol-List:   Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > >> 
      > >> I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun.    Only
      
      > >> live 70 miles away in Titusville ,   Fl if you'd rather see it there.
      > >> 
      > >> Ben Charvet
      > >> 
      > >> On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: 
      > >> 
      > >> If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an   appropriate
      
      > >> subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If   you're flying
      
      > >> down from the north, I live just outside  Savannah , GA ,   and we could do
      the 
      > >> story the weekend before. 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> thanks
      > >> 
      > >> Ed Wischmeyer
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 912 665-2969
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> -- 
      > >> Ben Charvet, PharmD
      > >> Staff Pharmacist
      > >> Parrish Medical center
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      > >> et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com
      > >> llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      > >> 
      > >> http://forums.matronics.com
      > >> 
      > >> http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> 
      > >> href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      > >> href="blockedhttp://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com 
      > >> href="blockedhttp://www.matroni========  
      > > 
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| Subject:  | Re: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun | 
      
      
      I fired the email below to the author of this piece 
      
      (http://www.eaa.org/news/2011/2011-04-01_aftermath.asp)
      
      I will report the answer.
      
      Steve D 
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      >From  	<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
      Date  	Sat, 17 Mar 2012 18:55:12 -0500
      To  	mjones@eaa.org
      Subject  	Question on Sun N Fun suing Pietenpol owners.
      
      Dear Ms. Jones, I noticed that you wrote an article called "Sun N Fun, the Aftermath".
      
      is the following true?
      
      Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, the pietenpol owners whose
      planes were destroyed by the tornado were in the process of salvaging what they
      could and were preparing the planes to be loaded on trailers, which were already
      on their way from Georgia.  The officials of SNF made them stop and leave
      their airplanes.  A private contractor, hired by SNF, then picked up the fragile,
      damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped them on a trailer, causing more
      damage than the storm had done.
      
      Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover the cost of the
      private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a letter to each of the Pietenpol
      owners advising them that they would have to pay close to $30,000 each,
      for the private contractor and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled by the
      three aircraft (one of which was empty before the storm hit)  a total of over
      100 gallons!  Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel between them.
      
      Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which will come, but
      it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
      
      If true, then I think these poor pilots (who had no insurance on their aircraft
      as far as I know) have been very shoddily treated by the SNF officials.  Frankly,
      I doubt Ill ever go to SNF if this is true, which is a shame because it was
      one of my personal goals to fly to SNF.
      
      How is SNF associated with EAA? If the EAA is part to this then I will leave the
      EAA and ensure that all the members of my local EAA chapter know why.
      
      V/R
      
      Steve Dortch
      EAA #: 556893 
      
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv@yahoo.com>
      Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      
      
      > There you go, That's a story for kit planes, but I doubt it will 
      > ever end up in print
      > 
      > Hans
      > 
      > NX15KV
      > Waller, TX
      > 
      > From: Jack Phillips <
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com 
      > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:17 PM
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > 
      > Gardiner or Barry or Frank can answer better than I can, since it happened to
      them. Basically, after the storm destroyed their airplanes, they were in the
      process of salvaging what they could and were preparing the planes to be loaded
      on 
      > trailers, which were already on their way from Georgia . The 
      > officials of SNF made them stop and leave their airplanes. A 
      > private contractor, hired by SNF, then picked up the fragile, 
      > damaged aircraft with forklifts and dumped them on a trailer, 
      > causing more damage than the storm had done. 
      > 
      > Then, this summer, SNF found that their insurance would not cover 
      > the cost of the private contractor they had chosen, so they sent a 
      > letter to each of the Pietenpol owners advising them that they 
      > would have to pay close to $30,000 each, for the private contractor 
      > and the cost of cleaning up the fuel spilled by the three aircraft 
      > (one of which was empty before the storm hit)  a total of over 100 
      > gallons! Imagine two Pietenpols holding 100 gallons of fuel 
      > between them.
      > 
      > Of course, the owners can defend themselves in the lawsuit which 
      > will come, but it will cost them dearly to hire a lawyer.
      > 
      > There, Peter  thats the story as I know it. I may have a detail 
      > or two confused, but essentially thats it. I think these poor 
      > pilots (who had no insurance on their aircraft as far as I know) 
      > have been very shoddily treated by the SNF officials. Frankly, I 
      > doubt Ill ever go back there, which is a shame because it used to 
      > be one of my favorite fly-ins.
      > 
      > Jack Phillips
      > NX899JP
      > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      > 
      > From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
      > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter W Johnson
      > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 6:09 PM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > 
      > Jack,
      > 
      > Enlighten us on what happened. Was this after the damage done by 
      > the storm?
      > 
      > Cheers
      > 
      > Peter
      > Wonthaggi Australia
      > http://www.cpc-world.com
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
      > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
      > Sent: Sunday, 18 March 2012 7:54 AM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > 
      > Nope  Ive flown my Pietenpol to Sun n Fun once, but never again 
      > after what they did to the Pieten Pile folks.
      > 
      > Jack Phillips
      > NX899JP
      > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
      > 
      > From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-
      > pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe
      > Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 4:41 PM
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > 
      > I would offer the Sun N Fun Best Fabric Homebuilt winner for 2011 
      > but after the bill I wont be flying it down there this year or any 
      > other year. 
      > 
      > --- On Fri, 3/16/12, airlion < wrote:
      > 
      > From: airlion <
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Date: Friday, March 16, 2012, 6:38 PM
      > sun n fun wil only think of themselves and will get rid of anything that looks
      like a disaster to the public.
      > 
      > From:airlion <
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 6:30:20 PM
      > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > Best you check out your tornado insurance. Sun N fUN WILL NAIL YOU FOR any damage
      done to their property
      > 
      > From:Ben Charvet <
      > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
      > Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 4:20:11 PM
      > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol for Kitplanes at Sun n Fun
      > 
      > I'm hoping to have my photogenic, well-built Pietenpol at Sun-N-Fun. Only live
      70 miles away in Titusville , Fl if you'd rather see it there.
      > 
      > Ben Charvet
      > 
      > On 3/16/2012 9:50 AM, Ed Wischmeyer wrote: 
      > 
      > If anybody has a photogenic, well-built Pietenpol that would be an appropriate
      subject for a Kitplanes pilot report, please let me know. If you're flying down
      from the north, I live just outside Savannah , GA , and we could do the story
      the weekend before. 
      > 
      > thanks
      > 
      > Ed Wischmeyer
      > 
      > 
      > 912 665-2969
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > -- 
      > Ben Charvet, PharmD
      > Staff Pharmacist
      > Parrish Medical center
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
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      >  
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > 
      > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
      > 
      > http://forums.matronics.com
      > 
      > http://www.matronics.com/contribution
      > 
      > 
      > href="blockedhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
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| Subject:  | Aluminum 8 plug Model A head for sale | 
      
      More shop cleaning....I have a "high" compression (6.7:1 I think) Model A head
      for sale.  
      
      Never has been used.  Just been sitting collecting dust.
      
      Sorta like that fancy Thomas Finned style Mac's sells...but without the fins (or
      high $$$ cost).
      
      I have no idea what it's worth but will consider all offers...
      
      JM
      
      
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| Subject:  | started annual inspection early | 
      
      Well as luck would have it I didn't get to fly today.- Started out planni
      ng to change the oil and go flying.- Took the piet out of hybernation, sh
      e fired right up 2 blades, and purred like a kitten.- Pushed it back in t
      he hangar and took the cowling off and looked around.- I noticed the carb
       heat box had paint peeling and sure enough it was cracked.- We had a bro
      ken weld in it a couple years ago that we repaired but it craked again, in 
      a bad area to try to repair.- Time to order another, so we can get in the
       air, fix the old one later.- I am going to replace the wing strut hardwa
      re (bolts)-with new, this is flying season #7, and 300 hrs, so it is chea
      p insurance.- Also have to take off some of the tail fittings to repaint 
      them, Dad used POR 15 paint, And I found out from a classic car guy that it
       does not hold up to UV rays (peels right off to bare metal).- Other than
       that, engine looks good, compression checks good, no extra oil leaks, and 
      no
       house paint is blowing off.- Hopefully I can get it wrapped up in a coup
      le weekends, which is when winter will probably come back with a vengence.
      - Also started making up a annual inspection checklist for a piet, I will
       attatch for whoever wants to look at it.- Feel free to modify it for you
      r own piet.
      Shad
      
 
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