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1. 03:21 AM - SNF Cleanup Costs (Jack Phillips)
2. 03:22 AM - Re: Brodhead W&B info (Don Emch)
3. 03:26 AM - Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup (Jack)
4. 03:31 AM - Re: Lift struts (Don Emch)
5. 05:47 AM - Sun n' Fun?? (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 06:26 AM - Re: Brodhead W&B info (kevinpurtee)
7. 06:27 AM - Re: Re: Lift struts (Rick Schreiber)
8. 06:35 AM - Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (Hans van der Voort)
9. 07:02 AM - Re: Sun 'n Fun not so fun (Woodflier@aol.com)
10. 07:07 AM - SnF Backs Down on Dunning Owners (Woodflier@aol.com)
11. 07:51 AM - Re: Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
12. 08:22 AM - Re: Lift struts (Catdesigns)
13. 08:40 AM - Inst. Panel design (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
14. 09:06 AM - Re: Inst. Panel design (bradandlinda tds.net)
15. 09:10 AM - Re: Inst. Panel design (Gary Boothe)
16. 09:14 AM - GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers (dgaldrich)
17. 09:33 AM - Starting issues (Andrew Eldredge)
18. 09:57 AM - Re: Lift struts (Don Emch)
19. 10:02 AM - Re: Brodhead W&B info (Don Emch)
20. 10:44 AM - Re: GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers (Tim White)
21. 11:07 AM - Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (Barry Davis)
22. 12:27 PM - Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (Jack Phillips)
23. 12:29 PM - Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (CozyGirrrl@aol.com)
24. 12:40 PM - Re: Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
25. 01:09 PM - Re: St. Patty's @ Jim Boyer's (taildrags)
26. 02:04 PM - Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (Barry Davis)
27. 02:23 PM - Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (Bill Church)
28. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
29. 03:59 PM - Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (Robert Bush)
30. 04:08 PM - Re: GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers (dgaldrich)
31. 04:57 PM - Re: Re: GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers (Jim Markle)
32. 05:02 PM - Re: what dedication....holy moly (IT Girl)
33. 05:36 PM - Re: Re: what dedication....holy moly (John Franklin)
34. 06:07 PM - Re: Re: what dedication....holy moly (John Franklin)
35. 06:10 PM - Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (jarheadpilot82)
36. 06:13 PM - Parts for sale (olflyr45)
37. 06:42 PM - Re: what dedication....holy moly (IT Girl)
38. 06:44 PM - Re: SNF Cleanup Costs (Jack Phillips)
39. 07:01 PM - Re: Lift struts (Baldeagle)
40. 07:15 PM - Re: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe (Dan Yocum)
41. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: Of electronics and banjos (Dan Yocum)
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| Subject: | SNF Cleanup Costs |
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
<http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead W&B info |
Hey Top C.
I might be a little skeptical about the balance data. It did not seem like there
was much concern about getting the airplanes leveled. Could have just been me
though.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup |
FYI.
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a statement, Sun 'n
Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization has paid all outstanding
invoices and will not be billing individuals for the costs. Last October Sun
'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to submit their share of about
$90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own insurers after Sun 'n Fun's
underwriter decided it was not responsible for those costs. Leenhouts said
about 40 percent of the money was recovered that way and Sun 'n Fun paid the
rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining balance in good faith on behalf of
those who chose not to submit the bill to their insurance company or who did
not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At no time has Sun 'n Fun requested
that the aircraft owner[s] pay their bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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That's what I did. Actually superglued the washers to the tab so they would stay
in place while putting the struts in place.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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I for one remember reading about Sun n' Fun's shameful behavior throughout
the year, as events came up. Maybe you just missed the posts?
What if one of our "barrack's attorneys'" wrote up a letter and we all
signed it and sent it in to them and a few other periodicals?
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead W&B info |
They were pretty thorough with leveling mine. Again, Ryan can comment.
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/Georgetown, TX
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On 3/19/2012 5:30 AM, Don Emch wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Don Emch"<EmchAir@aol.com>
>
> That's what I did. Actually superglued the washers to the tab so they would stay
in place while putting the struts in place.
>
> Don Emch
> NX899DE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368870#368870
>
>
Thanks for the reply Don. When you squeezed the strut, did you weld on
the reinforcing plate first? I noticed that when I tried flattening a
scrap strut, it deformed into a figure 8 shape.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso, IN
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| Subject: | Re: SNF Cleanup Costs |
Bob Barrows was charged $ 5,000.-- for the cleanup of his severely damaged
Bearhawk patrol.=0AHis experience was the same as the Pietenpol group. =0A
=C2-=0AAt least that's the hear say on the Bearhawk list=0A=C2-=0ASenti
ment there is the same on this list, No one is interested anymore to attend
.=0A=C2-=0ASo if airplanes do not fly to a Fly-in, will the show continue
?=0ASome will still show up a lot will not, expect SNF to be less than pre
vious years.=0A=C2-=0AHans=0A=C2-=0ANX15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A=C2- =0A=0A
________________________________=0A From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth
.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, March 19, 2012 5:
20 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs=0A =0A=0A =0AThis=0Awas
just published on AvWeb: =0A=C2- =0AOwners Off The Hook=0AFor SNF Tornad
o Cleanup =0AOwners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun
=0Atornado will not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
statement, Sun 'n Fun=0APresident Lites Leenhouts said the organization has
paid all outstanding invoices=0Aand will not be billing individuals for th
e costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun=0Aasked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in=0Atowing and cleanup costs to their
own insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter=0Adecided it was not responsib
le for those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent=0Aof the money was reco
vered that way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n=0AFun has paid this re
maining balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose=0Anot to submit
the bill to their insurance company or who did not carry=0Ainsurance," Leen
houts said. "At no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that=0Athe aircraft owner[
s] pay their bill[s] directly. =0AThe request caused controversy and some a
ircraft owners=0Aobjected, saying the decision to immediately remove aircra
ft before adjusters=0Afor the companies representing the owners could make
arrangements was a=0Abusiness decision by Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show cou
ld resume the next day.=0ALeenhouts said the immediate cleanup was necessar
y for safety reasons. He said=0Athe payments will cut into funding for avia
tion education programs that are the=0Amain benefactor of SNF profits each
year. "While we deeply regret the=0Adevastation that occurred as a result o
f a storm we could not control, to pay=0Afor the entire bill would have cau
sed undue hardship for our non-profit=0Aorganization," Leenhouts said. "We
are grateful to those individuals=0Awho carried an appropriate amount of in
surance as well as those that paid from=0Atheir own resources and to those
who rallied together on the day of the storm=0Ato assist in restoring the s
ite to a clean and safe environment for all to=0Aenjoy the following day."
=0AThe numbers don=99t quite add up to=0Awhat the Pietenpol owners re
ported (they were saying it was about $30,000=0Aapiece), but at least now t
hey won=99t have to hire lawyers to avoid=0Apayment. =0AJack Phillips
=0ANX899JP =0ASmith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: Sun 'n Fun not so fun |
Some of you may know of Bob Barrows, the designer of the Bearhawk series of
airplanes. Bob had his newest Bearhawk Patrol on display at SnF last year,
and it was blown over and pretty well trashed. He had the same experience
of being barred from getting to his own airplane, having it further damaged
by inappropriate equipment being used inappropriately, and getting a
multi-thousand dollar bill for 'clean up.'
Bob was Technical Counsellor on my Piet, and built a Piet a number of years
ago about as close to the original plans as any I've seen.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| Subject: | SnF Backs Down on Dunning Owners |
This was on AvWeb this morning.
AVflash! SnF Addresses Last Year's Storm _back to top_
(http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/2154-full.html#top)
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
(http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_StormDamage_204383-1.html)
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a _statement_
(http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.aspx)
, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization has paid all
outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for the costs. Last
October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to submit their
share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own insurers
after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for those
costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that way and
Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining balance in
good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to their
insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At no time
has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their bill[s]
directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying
the decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the
companies representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision
by Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said
the immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the
payments will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who carried
an
appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from their own
resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the storm to assist
in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for all to enjoy the
following day."
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| Subject: | Re: Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup |
"the decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by Sun
'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day."
Since it was their decision then they should pay for the results. Apparently some
owners paid the bill and some did not. So now the financial burden has been
unevenly borne simply based on who paid and when.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
> FYI.
>
> Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun
> tornado will
> not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
> statement, Sun 'n
> Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization has paid all
> outstandinginvoices and will not be billing individuals for the
> costs. Last October Sun
> 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to submit their share
> of about
> $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own insurers after Sun
> 'n Fun's
> underwriter decided it was not responsible for those costs.
> Leenhouts said
> about 40 percent of the money was recovered that way and Sun 'n Fun
> paid the
> rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining balance in good faith on
> behalf of
> those who chose not to submit the bill to their insurance company
> or who did
> not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At no time has Sun 'n Fun
> requestedthat the aircraft owner[s] pay their bill[s] directly.
>
> The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected,
> saying the
> decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the
> companiesrepresenting the owners could make arrangements was a
> business decision by
> Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts
> said the
> immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the
> paymentswill cut into funding for aviation education programs that
> are the main
> benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the
> devastationthat occurred as a result of a storm we could not
> control, to pay for the
> entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
> organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those
> individuals who
> carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that
> paid from
> their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of
> thestorm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe
> environment for
> all to enjoy the following day."
>
>
> Jack Textor
> DSM
> NX1929T
>
>
>
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Rick
4130 and 1020 steel form easily when heated and if allowed to cool in calm air
slowly will return to its full strength. To get your strut to form correctly you
need to heat the end of the strut to a red color and then quickly flatten the
end in your vice. Put a temporary spacer into the end of the tubing so it
will have something to press against and leave the correct amount of space for
the fuselage tab to fit after you flatten it. You might need to heat and fatten
several times because it cools quickly.
If you try to do it without heating you run a high probability of getting cracks.
--------
Chris
Sacramento, CA
WestCoastPiet.com
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| Subject: | Inst. Panel design |
Group,
I have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request
from the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over
WestCoast-Piet and other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might
be an interesting thread to see what people have done with instrument
placement, type of ply, or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am
leaning towards a burl veneer panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Re: Inst. Panel design |
Brian, Google up NX29NX, and one of the sites it has a picture of the
beautiful panel Rob Bach made on my Piet.
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM, <brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com> wrote:
>
> Group,
> I have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request
> from the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over
> WestCoast-Piet and other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might
> be an interesting thread to see what people have done with instrument
> placement, type of ply, or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am
> leaning towards a burl veneer panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
> Thanks.
>
> Brian
> SLC-UT
>
>
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| Subject: | Inst. Panel design |
Brian,
Mine includes some basic electric because of the Corvair charging system.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 8:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Inst. Panel design
Group,
I have the basic set up for my panel in mind but would like to request from
the group pictures of your panels. I have combed over WestCoast-Piet and
other sites for other ideas also. I thought it might be an interesting
thread to see what people have done with instrument placement, type of ply,
or veneer wood or metal finish. I think I am leaning towards a burl veneer
panel. Look forward to any panel pics.
Thanks.
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers |
For those of you who occasionally wander through Barnstormers, you may have noticed
a Pietenpol for sale $8,000 in Naples, FL. Turns out it's really a GN-1.
It has a Cont 75 and the tail number is NX554RG. I'm going to take a look at
it in the next couple of days and take some pics. If anyone is interested in
it, contact me off line. No affiliation with either the broker or owner.
dgaldrich@embarqmail.com
Dave
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I know I have a bubble in the gascolator, One advantage to having a
transparent globe is being able to see what's in there. I wonder if that
one might be the problem and if I can get it out with that method. It is
below the screen so it might need some persuasion to get out. I should be
able to try again in a day or two..
On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 8:20 PM, Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>wrote:
> **
> Your fuel line might be airbound. Open the fuel shut-off valve and raise
> the tail up high. You want to give any trapped air a chance to migrate out
> of the fuel line.
>
> When first starting NX18235 our A-65 was acting just like yours. It would
> start and run for 5 - 10 seconds and then die. After ensuring all air was
> out of the fuel line it started and ran fine.
>
> Greg Cardinal
> Minneapolis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Andrew Eldredge <andrew.eldredge@gmail.com>
> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, March 16, 2012 7:18 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bendix magneto starting issues
>
> This has been a fascinating Thread. Since I got this started. I'll wrap
> up with what happened. I could find nothing wrong with the internals of
> the mag, So I put it back together and decided that I could give it another
> shot before pulling the mag off to check for the existance/status of an
> impulse coupling. To stack the deck in my favor, I turned the piet around
> so that I could get some sun on the engine for a few hours. (the weather is
> still a little chilly.) After a few rounds of pulling, she fired up and
> ran for several seconds. I think that perhaps I am not as physical as I
> was the last time I did it, it seems the engine is exactly the same.
>
> So, The engine ran for about ten seconds, I repeated the start five times,
> and was able to get back to the pit in enough time so see the oil pressure
> come up. When I can get the motor running a little longer I should be able
> to a do a mag-check. I'm not sure why it won't run that long.
>
> My theories may have to wait, Time for supper
>
> Andrew
>
> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 10:41 PM, dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>wrote:
>
>> dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>>
>> One of the things about this thread is that it forced me to find synapses
>> that hadn't fired in the 40+ years since I got out of college with a EE
>> degree. It hurt!!!
>>
>> I WAS lucky to have met the USAF's requirements to fly and was proud to
>> serve my country for 20 years. Like most of my fellow veterans, the
>> service was its own reward and damn few of us seek any accolades for it.
>> We know too many people who have sacrificed everything and are forgotten.
>> At military funerals, the widow is presented with an American flag and
>> generally words to the affect that it's the thanks of a grateful nation.
>> I've done that presentation. It's the only thing I think about when
>> people thank me for my service.
>>
>> It seems everyone everyone wishes that they could be good at something
>> else. I have little artistic talent and am amazed by the stuff that Douwe
>> does with his hands and imagination. I wish I could sing barbershop
>> harmony. Not gonna happen. Doesn't mean I can't appreciate them.
>>
>> One last thought... What's new? Cee over lambda. If you get that, I'm
>> betting you never had a serious romantic relationship until at least your
>> 20th birthday. There WERE advantages to not being a nerd.
>>
>> Hope to see some of you at Sun N Fun.
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> do not archive
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>>
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>>
>> Read this topic online here:
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Very well said Chris. When all the flattening is done go back and reheat it and
allow to cool slowly to prevent any hardening.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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Glad to hear that Kevin. What I was watching might have just been a weighing then
and not a balancing.
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers |
Good luck!
On 3/19/2012 12:12 PM, dgaldrich wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "dgaldrich"<dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>
> For those of you who occasionally wander through Barnstormers, you may have noticed
a Pietenpol for sale $8,000 in Naples, FL. Turns out it's really a GN-1.
It has a Cont 75 and the tail number is NX554RG. I'm going to take a look
at it in the next couple of days and take some pics. If anyone is interested
in it, contact me off line. No affiliation with either the broker or owner.
>
> dgaldrich@embarqmail.com
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> Dave
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| Subject: | SNF Cleanup Costs |
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated that
all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilled
by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we did
not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turned
out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fit
those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright at
all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little.
They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallons
to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH and
flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing from
his tank.
Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for the
week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all our
eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
Barry
NX973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
<http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | SNF Cleanup Costs |
My mistake then, Barry. I thought EACH of the Pietenpols was charged
$29,000. Still, $9K each is a bit much to pay for picking up a $15K
airplane.
I have no plans to ever return to Sun 'n' Fun, but I do plan to go to Triple
Tree this year. A bunch of folks from our chapter went last year and had a
blast.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated that
all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilled
by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we did
not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turned
out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fit
those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright at
all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little.
They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallons
to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH and
flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing from
his tank.
Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for the
week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all our
eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
Barry
NX973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
<http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: SNF Cleanup Costs |
Oh no! Camping at SNF won't be the same without you guys back there, we'll
miss you.
Chrissi & Randi
_www.CozyGirrrl.com_ (http://www.cozygirrrl.com/)
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 3/19/2012 12:08:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bed@mindspring.com writes:
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated that
all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus
spilled by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like
we did
not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks
turned out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did w
e fit
those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright
at all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little
.
They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3
gallons to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GP
H and
flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing fro
m
his tank.
Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for
the week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all
our eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
Barry
NX973BP
____________________________________
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phill
ips
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
(http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_S
tormDamage_204383-1.html)
(http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_S
tormDamage_204383-1.html) Owners whose aircraft
were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will not be stuck with any
of
the cleanup costs after all. In a _statement_
(http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.a
spx) , Sun 'n Fun President
Lites Leenhouts said the organization has paid all outstanding invoices an
d
will not be billing individuals for the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun
asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to submit their share of about $90,0
00
in towing and cleanup costs to their own insurers after Sun 'n Fun's
underwriter decided it was not responsible for those costs. Leenhouts said
about
40 percent of the money was recovered that way and Sun 'n Fun paid the res
t.
"Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining balance in good faith on behalf of
those who chose not to submit the bill to their insurance company or who d
id
not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At no time has Sun 'n Fun requested
that the aircraft owner[s] pay their bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying
the decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the
companies representing the owners could make arrangements was a business d
ecision
by Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said
the immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the
payments will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are th
e main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastati
on
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who c
arried an
appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from their own
resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the storm to ass
ist
in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for all to enjoy the
following day."
The numbers don=99t quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners report
ed (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won
=99t have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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| Subject: | Re: SNF Cleanup Costs |
IMHO BIKIAR, then the EAA and AOPA need to know that we (pilots) are not as avid
about supporting SNF as we once were. This year if visitation is down they will
need to be told how this (possibly small) group of pilots feels about how
they were treated.
The Bonanza list has published many letters about making sure that Joe Snuffy the
local forklift operator is not allowed to run at your plane with the forklift
tines. As we all know there are better ways to pick up a plane using straps
and wood blocks, not chains and forklift tines.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
> My mistake then, Barry. I thought EACH of the Pietenpols was charged
> $29,000. Still, $9K each is a bit much to pay for picking up a $15K
> airplane.
>
>
>
> I have no plans to ever return to Sun 'n' Fun, but I do plan to go
> to Triple
> Tree this year. A bunch of folks from our chapter went last year
> and had a
> blast.
>
>
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Barry Davis
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:06 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
>
>
>
> Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter
> stated that
> all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus
> spilledby the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH!
> Looks like we did
> not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon
> tanks turned
> out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did
> we fit
> those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
>
> All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained
> upright at
> all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a
> little.They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It
> took 3 gallons
> to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH
> andflying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons
> missing from
> his tank.
>
> Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n
> Fun for the
> week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put
> all our
> eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
>
> Barry
>
> NX973BP
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
> Phillips
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
>
> This was just published on AvWeb:
>
>
>
>
> Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
>
>
>
> <http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
> ormDamage_204383-1.html>
> <http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
> ormDamage_204383-1.html>
> <http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
> ormDamage_204383-1.html>
> <http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
> ormDamage_204383-1.html>
>
> Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
> not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
> <http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
> px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
> has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
> the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
> submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
> insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
> those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
> way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
> balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
> their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
> no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
> bill[s] directly.
>
> The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
> decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
> representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
> Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
> immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
> will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
> benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
> that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
> entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
> organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
> carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
> their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
> storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
> all to enjoy the following day."
>
> The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
> were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
> to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: St. Patty's @ Jim Boyer's |
Nice to see such a healthy and enthusiastic bunch of Piet folks close to me. Too
bad my airplane isn't here (yet)... weather is still wintry up here in So.
Oregon. Yesterday it barely got out of the 30s and we got snow in the afternoon.
I was taking a motorcycle rider safety class so I can get my endorsement
here in Oregon (passed it)- but it was real life training out on the course in
real weather. Like flying the Piet, I'm sort of a fair weather biker and the
old '66 Triumph really doesn't deserve to be out in messy weather at her old
age either.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | SNF Cleanup Costs |
Chrissi & Randi
We will miss seeing you and camping near you this year. Hugh and Michael are
going and taking a Pop-up. They plan to camp ion the samr spot if possible.
Hugh ALWAYS has something to say, as you know!
Barry
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
CozyGirrrl@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 3:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Oh no! Camping at SNF won't be the same without you guys back there, we'll
miss you.
Chrissi & Randi
www.CozyGirrrl.com <http://www.cozygirrrl.com/>
CG Products, Custom Aircraft Hardware
Chairwomen, Sun-N-Fun Engine Workshop
In a message dated 3/19/2012 12:08:23 P.M. Central Standard Time,
bed@mindspring.com writes:
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated that
all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilled
by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we did
not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turned
out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fit
those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright at
all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little.
They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallons
to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH and
flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing from
his tank.
Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for the
week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all our
eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
Barry
NX973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
<http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Steve,
Excuse my ignorance, but what on earth is the message that your abbreviation (IMHO
BIKIAR) is intended to represent?
BC
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In My Humble Opinion - But I Know I Am Right!
Steve D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: SNF Cleanup Costs
>
> Steve,
>
> Excuse my ignorance, but what on earth is the message that your abbreviation
(IMHO BIKIAR) is intended to represent?
>
> BC
>
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> > IMHO BIKIAR, then the EAA and AOPA need to know that ...
>
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Hey Jack when and where is triple tree?
Do not archive
Randy Bush
Nx294RB
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:26 PM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> My mistake then, Barry. I thought EACH of the Pietenpols was charged $29,
000. Still, $9K each is a bit much to pay for picking up a $15K airplane.
>
> I have no plans to ever return to Sun =98n=99 Fun, but I do pl
an to go to Triple Tree this year. A bunch of folks from our chapter went l
ast year and had a blast.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:06 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
>
> Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated that
all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilled
by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we did n
ot build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turned o
ut to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fit thos
e large tanks under the cowling ;-)
> All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright a
t all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little. T
hey filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallons t
o top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH and flyin
g for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing from his t
ank.
> Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for t
he week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all our
eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
> Barry
> NX973BP
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Phillips
> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
>
> This was just published on AvWeb:
>
> Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
>
>
>
> Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will n
ot be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a statement, Sun 'n
Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization has paid all outstanding
invoices and will not be billing individuals for the costs. Last October Su
n 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to submit their share of abou
t $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own insurers after Sun 'n Fun
's underwriter decided it was not responsible for those costs. Leenhouts sai
d about 40 percent of the money was recovered that way and Sun 'n Fun paid t
he rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining balance in good faith on behalf
of those who chose not to submit the bill to their insurance company or who
did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At no time has Sun 'n Fun reques
ted that the aircraft owner[s] pay their bill[s] directly.
>
> The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying t
he decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companie
s representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments wi
ll cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main benefa
ctor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation that o
ccurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the entire b
ill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit organization," Leenh
outs said. "We are grateful to those individuals who carried an appropriate a
mount of insurance as well as those that paid from their own resources and t
o those who rallied together on the day of the storm to assist in restoring t
he site to a clean and safe environment for all to enjoy the following day."
>
> The numbers don=99t quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners report
ed (they were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won
=99t have to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
>
> Jack Phillips
>
> NX899JP
>
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers |
Talked with the broker today. The semi-long story is this: She (the broker, as
in real estate, I think) and the owner, a German national, were an "item" for
a while. The airplane last flew in Oct 2010 after which it was disassembled
and put into storage in her garage. The two of them left for Germany for a while
with the log books and left them with his mother where they are today, as
far as anyone knows. The couple then went to New Zealand where he stayed and
she returned to the US. Now it seems the house is about to sell and she needs
to empty out the garage. She's saying "offers accepted".
Going to take a look tomorrow and will find out who has the legal rights to it
and anything else she knows.
For anyone living on the east coast, if you have an interest in this Grega, I will
be driving my truck from Florida to Maine later this spring and, for a small
consideration, may be able to deliver it.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers |
And if someone here does have an interest, I know the pilot that flew off the initial
hours on this plane. That was 4-5 years ago, but he might be able to shed
some light on the plane...having put on the first 25 or 40 hours or whatever....
jm
-----Original Message-----
>From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2012 6:07 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GN-1 For Sale -- Barnstormers
>
>
>Talked with the broker today. The semi-long story is this: She (the broker,
as in real estate, I think) and the owner, a German national, were an "item" for
a while. The airplane last flew in Oct 2010 after which it was disassembled
and put into storage in her garage. The two of them left for Germany for a
while with the log books and left them with his mother where they are today, as
far as anyone knows. The couple then went to New Zealand where he stayed and
she returned to the US. Now it seems the house is about to sell and she needs
to empty out the garage. She's saying "offers accepted".
>
>Going to take a look tomorrow and will find out who has the legal rights to it
and anything else she knows.
>
>For anyone living on the east coast, if you have an interest in this Grega, I
will be driving my truck from Florida to Maine later this spring and, for a small
consideration, may be able to deliver it.
>
>Dave
>
>do not archive
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368920#368920
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: what dedication....holy moly |
We all had a wonderful time at CC22. We plan to do it again in 2014. It will
be great to have even more Pietenpol builders there next time. The camaraderie
was wonderful. I don't think I heard one person complain about anything that
we could control. Hopefully the weather will cooperate more in 2014.
--------
Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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You and Ken did a fantastic job, Shelley, and I'm looking forward to the next one
you host!
Thanks again,
John Franklin
Prairie Aire 4TA0
Needville, TX
-----Original Message-----
>From: IT Girl <shlizbth@gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2012 7:02 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what dedication....holy moly
>
>
>We all had a wonderful time at CC22. We plan to do it again in 2014. It will
be great to have even more Pietenpol builders there next time. The camaraderie
was wonderful. I don't think I heard one person complain about anything that
we could control. Hopefully the weather will cooperate more in 2014.
>
>--------
>Shelley Tumino
>IT Girl
>wife of "Axel"
>NX899KP
>
>DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Shelley,
Who's Ken??? Senior moment, I meant KEVIN!
John F.
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
>Sent: Mar 19, 2012 7:35 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: what dedication....holy moly
>
>
>You and Ken did a fantastic job, Shelley, and I'm looking forward to the next
one you host!
>
>Thanks again,
>John Franklin
>Prairie Aire 4TA0
>Needville, TX
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: IT Girl <shlizbth@gmail.com>
>>Sent: Mar 19, 2012 7:02 PM
>>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what dedication....holy moly
>>
>>
>>We all had a wonderful time at CC22. We plan to do it again in 2014. It will
be great to have even more Pietenpol builders there next time. The camaraderie
was wonderful. I don't think I heard one person complain about anything that
we could control. Hopefully the weather will cooperate more in 2014.
>>
>>--------
>>Shelley Tumino
>>IT Girl
>>wife of "Axel"
>>NX899KP
>>
>>DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>Read this topic online here:
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>>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=368924#368924
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| Subject: | Re: SNF Cleanup Costs |
Randy,
FYI
[url]http://www.tripletreeflyin.com/[url]
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
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fuselage frame, tail group, tailwheel, data plate and logs included
$1500 OBO. Pictures available.
wyliejohnson45@gmail.com
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Kevin said "Respect the hat"
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IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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| Subject: | SNF Cleanup Costs |
It is usually the weekend after Labor Day, at SC00, near Greenville SC.
Here are soome photos from last year's fly-in:
http://polypoke.wordpress.com/2011/09/11/a-visit-to-triple-tree-fly-in/
It has a 400' wide 7000' long grass runway.
You should plan to come. I understand it is the best fly-in outside of
Brodhead.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robert Bush
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:58 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Hey Jack when and where is triple tree?
Do not archive
Randy Bush
Nx294RB
Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 19, 2012, at 2:26 PM, "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
My mistake then, Barry. I thought EACH of the Pietenpols was charged
$29,000. Still, $9K each is a bit much to pay for picking up a $15K
airplane.
I have no plans to ever return to Sun 'n' Fun, but I do plan to go to Triple
Tree this year. A bunch of folks from our chapter went last year and had a
blast.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Barry Davis
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 2:06 PM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
Jack, It was $29,000 for all 3 Pietenpols combined. The letter stated that
all the avgas spilled on the whole airport was the 130 gallons plus spilled
by the 3 Pietenpols. No one else had spilled gas. GOSH! Looks like we did
not build our gas tanks to plans! what we thought was 14 Gallon tanks turned
out to be 44 gallons! Guess we read the plans wrong, but how did we fit
those large tanks under the cowling ;-)
All in all, Gardiner did not lose any fuel. Frank's Piet remained upright at
all times and was on top and did not lose any fuel. Bruce lost a little.
They filled up at Zepphyr Hills then flew into Sun n Fun. It took 3 gallons
to top him off after recovery and flying to Lakeland. Burning 6 GPH and
flying for 15-20 minutes used up the majority of the 3 gallons missing from
his tank.
Usually 20 to 30 members our EAA Chapter camps together at Sun n Fun for the
week. We decided to skip Sun n Fun for the next few years and put all our
eggs in the Triple Tree basket. It was a lot of fun last year.
Barry
NX973BP
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 6:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: SNF Cleanup Costs
This was just published on AvWeb:
Owners Off The Hook For SNF Tornado Cleanup
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
<http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/exclusivevids/ExclusiveVideo_SunNFun2011_St
ormDamage_204383-1.html>
Owners whose aircraft were damaged in last year's Sun 'n Fun tornado will
not be stuck with any of the cleanup costs after all. In a
<http://www.sun-n-fun.org/getdoc/1028ea0c-e494-4af4-b68a-c3dab885a9fc/tcc.as
px> statement, Sun 'n Fun President Lites Leenhouts said the organization
has paid all outstanding invoices and will not be billing individuals for
the costs. Last October Sun 'n Fun asked the 30 aircraft owners affected to
submit their share of about $90,000 in towing and cleanup costs to their own
insurers after Sun 'n Fun's underwriter decided it was not responsible for
those costs. Leenhouts said about 40 percent of the money was recovered that
way and Sun 'n Fun paid the rest. "Sun 'n Fun has paid this remaining
balance in good faith on behalf of those who chose not to submit the bill to
their insurance company or who did not carry insurance," Leenhouts said. "At
no time has Sun 'n Fun requested that the aircraft owner[s] pay their
bill[s] directly.
The request caused controversy and some aircraft owners objected, saying the
decision to immediately remove aircraft before adjusters for the companies
representing the owners could make arrangements was a business decision by
Sun 'n Fun to ensure the show could resume the next day. Leenhouts said the
immediate cleanup was necessary for safety reasons. He said the payments
will cut into funding for aviation education programs that are the main
benefactor of SNF profits each year. "While we deeply regret the devastation
that occurred as a result of a storm we could not control, to pay for the
entire bill would have caused undue hardship for our non-profit
organization," Leenhouts said. "We are grateful to those individuals who
carried an appropriate amount of insurance as well as those that paid from
their own resources and to those who rallied together on the day of the
storm to assist in restoring the site to a clean and safe environment for
all to enjoy the following day."
The numbers don't quite add up to what the Pietenpol owners reported (they
were saying it was about $30,000 apiece), but at least now they won't have
to hire lawyers to avoid payment.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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And put something on the vise so you don't get vise marks or a sharp change of
cross section at the squeeze. I usually use a couple of pieces of .063 aluminum
taped to the vise jaws, sticking out a couple of inches.
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| Subject: | Re: You Tube link to Douwe's C-90 First Run-up in Airframe |
That's a seriously cool sounding exhaust! :-)
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On 03/13/2012 09:30 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Douwe Blumberg"<douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Hey all,
>
> Due to overwhelming demand...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlQXwjuoVKA&feature=youtube_gdata_player
>
>
> If that link doesn't get you there, just search for "Douwe's C-90 first
> run-up in airframe", and that outta do it.
>
> Working away now on lots of persnickety stuff.
>
> Douwe
>
>
--
Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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| Subject: | Re: Of electronics and banjos |
Hi Clif,
So... I still find it hard to believe, intuitively speaking, that the
solid piece of metal holding the two "L" pieces flexes enough to
actually make contact with the disc. I'm not saying it doesn't work,
it's just hard for my little brain to wrap itself around that it might.
My question is then - have you tried it and does it work? How much
pulling force can you apply before the disc starts to slip?
Thanks for tolerating my dumb questions,
Dan
On 03/14/2012 10:19 PM, Clif Dawson wrote:
> Dan, Thanks, The pivot, as per the drawing, is the
> two clevis pins at the bottom. The L arm rotates
> around the point of the L which lies above the
> center of the pads. As the top of the L is sucked
> in by the cable the two bolts that go through to
> the rear plate and pad pull that plate outwards.
> Thus the the pads are pulled toward each other
> onto the disc. There's less than 1/16" total
> clearance between the pads and disc ( 1/32"
> each side) .the back plate is 1/4" thick and doesn't
> flex at all. The main plate is 1/8" and flexes a tiny
> bit, hardly visible at all.
>
> I have to appologize as I forgot to reduce the
> rather large size of the drawing. I always scan
> and take pics at high rez then reduce them. This
> makes a huge difference when someone wants
> to enlarge them. They go a lot larger before
> becoming fuzzy than if you start small.
> Anyway, here it is again in more reasonable size.
> The pivot is the clevis on the left.
>
> Clif
> A mile of road will take you a mile, but a mile of runway will take you
> anywhere.
>
>>
>> Clif,
>>
> how do they work?
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
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Dan Yocum
Fermilab 630.840.6509
yocum@fnal.gov, http://fermigrid.fnal.gov
"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things."
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