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1. 06:04 AM - fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc. (Lawrence Williams)
2. 07:49 AM - Re: fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc. (Michael Perez)
3. 08:02 AM - Re: fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc. (tools)
4. 08:12 AM - Re: fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc. (airlion)
5. 08:14 AM - louvers for cowling area (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
6. 08:17 AM - Re: Re: fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc. (H. Marvin Haught)
7. 09:34 AM - Re: louvers for cowling area (DaveG601XL)
8. 09:51 AM - Jeep Replica (Gary Boothe)
9. 09:53 AM - FW: Jeep Replica (Gary Boothe)
10. 10:04 AM - Re: Jeep Replica (Bill Church)
11. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Jeep Replica (Gary Boothe)
12. 12:28 PM - Re: Any thoughts on this idea for turnbuckles (womenfly2)
13. 05:12 PM - Re: Any thoughts on this idea for turnbuckles (Kyle85)
14. 05:45 PM - Re: Re: Any thoughts on this idea for turnbuckles (Ken Bickers)
15. 07:53 PM - St. Croix Aerial Opinions? (Skagit)
16. 07:59 PM - Where to start? (Skagit)
17. 08:11 PM - Re: Where to start? (aerocarjake)
18. 09:54 PM - Re: St. Croix Aerial Opinions? (Ryan Mueller)
19. 10:34 PM - Piets West (Oscar Zuniga)
20. 10:50 PM - Re: Re: Any thoughts on this idea for turnbuckles (Clif Dawson)
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| Subject: | fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc. |
Do any of you metalworkers have a good idea for forming louvers??
Larry
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc. |
Tony B's books talks some about louvers for exhaust stacks...not sure if he covers
louvers for any other application. However, you may pick up some ideas.
Michael Perez
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc. |
I can't find them downstairs, but I have a couple books by Ron Fournier on sheet
metal forming. I really seem to recall a section devoted to making louvers
by hand with simple hammer forming techniques.
They're usually on the shelves of the normal big book stores (Barnes and Nobles,
etc) in the automotive section. Might be worth browsing through them.
Tools
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc. |
Larry, Quality Machine in Lagrange Ga. Has a pattern that he uses for stamping
out louvers. Bill Hollowell is his name and he made a pair for me. They look
nice. Gardiner
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From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tue, April 3, 2012 9:04:20 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc.
Do any of you metalworkers have a good idea for forming louvers??
Larry
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| Subject: | louvers for cowling area |
I found a local hotrod machine shop that had a set of louver dies of variou
s sizes (long since have gone out of bidness)
that they tried on my 2024T3 .025" cowling material and it didn't work well
. The edges of the cuts were tearing at
the corners so I gave them a test sheet of dead soft aluminum .025" (same
mat'l as my engine cooling eyebrows are
fabricated from to resist cracking from vibration.) and that worked great b
ut I had to fasten the cut louver plates to
my 2024T3 cowling and accomplished that as the sketches indicate.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: fuel tanks, flanging dies, etc. |
How big do you need them and in what configuration (curved surface, etc)? You
can buy flat sheets of louvers in different sizes from the aircraft supply houses,
and they work fine to do a cut out and then rivet the panel in place. Even
work well on curved surfaces as long as the surface is not a compound curve
(curved more than one direction).
I have made press forms of different sizes using MDF and successfully pressed them
into panels. They are not easy to do. And you can flow form them with a
rivet gun and a tool from Tin Man Technologies.
M. Haught
On Apr 3, 2012, at 10:02 AM, tools wrote:
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> I can't find them downstairs, but I have a couple books by Ron Fournier on sheet
metal forming. I really seem to recall a section devoted to making louvers
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| Subject: | Re: louvers for cowling area |
Mike,
I saw Lon Dienst making the louvers on his Art Chester Jeep replica. As I recall,
he basically drilled two holes on either end of the louver length and joined
them with a single cut line and then bent metal. I am sure it was not as easy
a task as I made it sound. I know he pitched a few pieces before getting
it right. This picture does not show the louvers all that good, but they are
visible. I think the bends are a little less aggressive than you show in your
sketches.
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
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Mike,
That's a neat little plane! Any idea what engine?
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: louvers for cowling area
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Mike,
I saw Lon Dienst making the louvers on his Art Chester Jeep replica. As I
recall, he basically drilled two holes on either end of the louver length
and joined them with a single cut line and then bent metal. I am sure it
was not as easy a task as I made it sound. I know he pitched a few pieces
before getting it right. This picture does not show the louvers all that
good, but they are visible. I think the bends are a little less aggressive
than you show in your sketches.
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
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| Subject: | FW: Jeep Replica |
....sorry, that's for Dave....
Gary Boothe
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From: Gary Boothe [mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:52 AM
Subject: Jeep Replica
Mike,
That's a neat little plane! Any idea what engine?
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DaveG601XL
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 9:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: louvers for cowling area
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Mike,
I saw Lon Dienst making the louvers on his Art Chester Jeep replica. As I
recall, he basically drilled two holes on either end of the louver length
and joined them with a single cut line and then bent metal. I am sure it
was not as easy a task as I made it sound. I know he pitched a few pieces
before getting it right. This picture does not show the louvers all that
good, but they are visible. I think the bends are a little less aggressive
than you show in your sketches.
Good luck,
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David Gallagher
Zodiac 601 XL-B: flying, 200+ hours now
Next project under construction: Aircamper
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| Subject: | Re: Jeep Replica |
Gary,
According to this video, it's a Menasco D4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xhDs62G6r4
Bill (not Dave or Mike)
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| Subject: | Re: Jeep Replica |
Thanks, Bill!
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Church
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:04 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeep Replica
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Gary,
According to this video, it's a Menasco D4.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5xhDs62G6r4
Bill (not Dave or Mike)
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| Subject: | Re: Any thoughts on this idea for turnbuckles |
Well, I would say just the buy aircraft turnbuckles. One spends more money going
out to dinner a few time vs the cost of the TB's. There is really are not
many of them in a Piet.
Think about the safety factor and proven design, very cheap insurance at 1000 feet
too.
My 2-cents worth.
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| Subject: | Re: Any thoughts on this idea for turnbuckles |
Yeah, I will be using store bought aircraft tb's. Looking at it now, mine are not
lighter, stronger, or much cheaper. Thanks again for the input. I will always
be trying to learn more and improve my airplane!
Kyle
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Airspeed, altitude or brains: Two are always needed to successfully complete the
flight.
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| Subject: | Re: Any thoughts on this idea for turnbuckles |
Kyle,
Whether or not you end up with store bought turnbuckles, I'd like
applaud your thinking aloud about this. Were it not for inquiring
minds like yours, there never would have been experimental aircraft.
Everybody would be boring holes in the sky in spam cans.
Cheers, Ken
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Kyle85 <boschkyle@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Yeah, I will be using store bought aircraft tb's. Looking at it now, mine are
not lighter, stronger, or much cheaper. Thanks again for the input. I will always
be trying to learn more and improve my airplane!
> Kyle
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| Subject: | St. Croix Aerial Opinions? |
Hi all-
New builder here. I'm hoping to begin building this fall and I'm going through
all of the "up-front" decisions to figure out what I really want in a Piet.
I'm seriously considering doing the Aerial biplane mod...love the biplane look.
Can anyone share any opinions on the flying characteristics of the Aerial compared
to the straight Piet? How about building considerations? Anything else?
Thanks!
-- Skagit out 8)
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Like I mentioned in my other post, I'm a new builder hoping to start this fall.
Question for the group is...where do most people start? Wing ribs? Empenage?
I was thinking of starting with the tail, mostly because I was thinking about building
an RV-8 a while back ($!), and that just seems to be where you start,
so I carried that thought over to the Piet.
Any input appreciated...
--Skagit out 8)
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| Subject: | Re: Where to start? |
Welcome.... I started with the fuselage as that is what I was most excitied about....
I suggest you start with whatever part of the airplane YOU are motivated
to build....
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: St. Croix Aerial Opinions? |
If you want to build a Pietenpol, then build a Pietenpol (Air Camper or Sky
Scout). If you want a biplane, build an Aerial, Hatz, Parakeet, Great
Lakes, etc etc....they are all different airplanes from what Pietenpol
designed....
Just curious....what are your measurements (height/weight)....
Ryan
On Tue, Apr 3, 2012 at 9:51 PM, Skagit <ratkowskis@msn.com> wrote:
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> Hi all-
>
> New builder here. I'm hoping to begin building this fall and I'm going
> through all of the "up-front" decisions to figure out what I really want in
> a Piet. I'm seriously considering doing the Aerial biplane mod...love the
> biplane look.
>
> Can anyone share any opinions on the flying characteristics of the Aerial
> compared to the straight Piet? How about building considerations?
> Anything else?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -- Skagit out 8)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=369999#369999
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John asked-
>when are you heading this way?
Well, it turns out that I met a very nice gent at Ashland Parker Muni
last Saturday and we've struck a deal where I can share his hangar. He's
building a Q2 (super low wing), so with my high wing we should be a good
fit. "My" side of the hangar should be cleared out by June if all goes
as planned, so I should be able to fly Scout out West by the time genuine
summertime comes to the Pacific Northwest. Late June, early July. Should
be a great time to be out smashing bugs with the windscreen!
Ashland Parker Muni is uncontrolled and friendly (more so than Medford
Int'l., which has scheduled commercial flights, is controlled, and has
roving guards keeping the world safe and demanding to see photo IDs).
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford/Ashland, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Any thoughts on this idea for turnbuckles |
Thirty eight by my count. Let's see, assembly
AN130-16S, fork on one end and cable eye
on the other is $29.00 from AS&S. So 29
times 38 is $1102. Hmmmm. Certainly
significantly less from Bed and Breakfast but
still enough to give pause.
I was fortunate enough to get them one sale
from B&B some time ago for about $280 so
abandoned my plans to make my own.
Before buying them I had made up the tail rig,
rudder and elevator wires without turnbuckles
at all using the twist method for adjustment.
The standing rigging back there still has no TB's.
Also don't forget. This IS experimental aviation.
Clif
A mile of road will take you a mile, but a mile
of runway will take you anywhere
>
> Well, I would say just the buy aircraft turnbuckles. One spends more
> money going out to dinner a few time vs the cost of the TB's. There is
> really are not many of them in a Piet.
>
> Think about the safety factor and proven design, very cheap insurance at
> 1000 feet too.
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> My 2-cents worth.
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