Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 04/04/12


Total Messages Posted: 19



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 12:03 AM - Re: Piets West (Clif Dawson)
     2. 03:50 AM - Re: Where to start? (jack phillips)
     3. 04:08 AM - Model A & Model T (bubbleboy)
     4. 05:50 AM - Re: Model A & Model T (tools)
     5. 06:15 AM - Re: Where to start? (Michael Perez)
     6. 06:28 AM - Re: Re: Model A & Model T (Kip and Beth Gardner)
     7. 06:58 AM - Re: St. Croix Aerial Opinions? (Skagit)
     8. 07:09 AM - Re: Re: Where to start? (Amsafetyc)
     9. 07:19 AM - Re: Re: Where to start? (TOM STINEMETZE)
    10. 07:49 AM - Re: Covering is under way.... (Dan Yocum)
    11. 07:53 AM - Re: Where to start? (Skagit)
    12. 08:02 AM - Re: Where to start? (TOM STINEMETZE)
    13. 08:02 AM - Re: Piets West (Jeff Wilson)
    14. 08:05 AM - Re: Model A & Model T (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
    15. 08:31 AM - Re: Where to start? (Skagit)
    16. 08:45 AM - Re: St. Croix Aerial Opinions? (Jim Boyer)
    17. 11:37 AM - Re: St. Croix Aerial Opinions? (kevinpurtee)
    18. 03:10 PM - Re: Model A & Model T (bubbleboy)
    19. 03:17 PM - Re: Model A & Model T (bubbleboy)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:03:05 AM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Piets West
    So I guess we'll be seeing you at Arlington, right?? Clif Scout out West by the time genuinesummertime comes to the Pacific Northwest. Late June, early July. Should be a great time to be out smashing bugs with the windscreen! Ashland Parker Muni is uncontrolled and friendly (more so than Medford


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    Time: 03:50:06 AM PST US
    From: jack phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Where to start?
    Like many questons in building an airplane, the answer is ... it depends. -One consideration for most builders is space. -For that reason either the wing ribs or the tail group make the most sense. -They store fairly e asily once built. -If you build the fuselage first, it will sit there tak ing up a lot of space while you continue to build the rest of the structure . -If you have a lot of room, then it really doesn't matter too much whic h part you build first. The fuselage is also the only component much affected by engine choice. - If you have already chosen your engine, this is not an issue. -But if you are still trying to decide on the powerplant, the fuselage is probably not the best point to start. I built the wing ribs first, then assembled the wings, then the tail, and b uilt the fuselage last. -That sequence worked well for me, but as I said when I started, it depends on a lot of factors. Jack PhillipsNX899JPSmith Mountain Lake, Virginia --- On Tue, 4/3/12, Skagit <ratkowskis@msn.com> wrote: From: Skagit <ratkowskis@msn.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where to start? Like I mentioned in my other post, I'm a new builder hoping to start this f all.- Question for the group is...where do most people start?- Wing rib s?- Empenage?- I was thinking of starting with the tail, mostly because I was thinking abo ut building an RV-8 a while back ($!), and that just seems to be where you start, so I carried that thought over to the Piet.- Any input appreciated... --Skagit out 8) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370000#370000 le, List Admin.


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    Time: 04:08:39 AM PST US
    Subject: Model A & Model T
    From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
    Just wondering, are there any differences between the engine in the Model T & Model A Ford? I had a discovery today of 2 Model T chassis's with engines and have been told the guy who owns these has 21 of them. Not sure if they are all Model T or if he has any model A engines. Are they the same engine? Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370012#370012


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    Time: 05:50:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model A & Model T
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    The most pertinent difference is that it's about half the horsepower. Still a pretty nice find, just probably not the best choice for a Piet! Might be great trading stock to get a Model A engine if that's what you're looking for. Tools Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370016#370016


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    Time: 06:15:51 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Where to start?
    Skagit, welcome to the Pietenpol list.- When first starting out, ambition and motivation are high, so I decided to start with the components I knew I would enjoy the LEAST, for me that was t he ribs. It is repetitive work that for me, after the first two or three, I was ready to move on. I saved the items I was really looking forward to doing until a lot later i n the build. From time to time when I was not as motivated, looking ahead t o the things I wanted to build helped keep me going. You will also find as you get further into it, one item or section can't be done until some other is completed first, so a sequence of builds sort of presents itself as you go. Michael Perez HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 06:28:07 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model A & Model T
    From: Kip and Beth Gardner <kipandbeth@earthlink.net>
    I believe the Model T engine could be used to power a Scout (you know, the Other Pietenpol) - not many of those around - it would be a unique project. Kip Gardner On Apr 4, 2012, at 8:50 AM, tools wrote: > > The most pertinent difference is that it's about half the horsepower. Still a pretty nice find, just probably not the best choice for a Piet! Might be great trading stock to get a Model A engine if that's what you're looking for. > > Tools > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370016#370016 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 06:58:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: St. Croix Aerial Opinions?
    From: "Skagit" <ratkowskis@msn.com>
    Hi Ryan- I looked at all those other designs, but I'm looking for two seats, wood construction, corvair powered, and reasonably priced. Tah dah...the Piet. Like I said I love the bipe look, so thought the Aerial mod made sense. I'm 6', 215. Concerned I'm not going to fit in something? Rob [quote="Ryan Mueller"]If you want to build a Pietenpol, then build a Pietenpol (Air Camper or Sky Scout). If you want a biplane, build an Aerial, Hatz, Parakeet, Great Lakes, etc etc....they are all different airplanes from what Pietenpol designed... Just curious....what are your measurements (height/weight)... Ryan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370019#370019


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    Time: 07:09:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Where to start?
    From: Amsafetyc <amsafetyc@aol.com>
    You will receive several answers from all builders. I myself thought about wings first. Then I read Tony Bengalis sp who suggested fuse first. Fuse first is a good place to begin as it takes less time and provides a major structural component that illustrates a major accomplishment and fuels the addiction. Jack is correct in that once assembled your space becomes the next major area of consideration it is difficult to store. Where as the wings take more time and patients to build and store more readily. For the most part and commitment start with smaller structural components like tail surfaces. Easy to store shorter time to build and get the flavor of the build and is it for you? You can decide to continue or abandon that ambition with minimal investment loss as you decide on a different venture and still have a tangible component to look at and ponder, study or hang in your shop. A fuze and wings are too big to walk away from and too big to store for a later date unless space is not an issue or abundantly available at low or no cost Space, time, investment and commitment are natural components of the build. Being ADD also helps, it permits you to set up your work plan to maximize tasks while the epoxy cures Just my 2 cents John Sent from my iPhone On Apr 3, 2012, at 11:09 PM, "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com> wrote: > > Welcome.... I started with the fuselage as that is what I was most excitied about.... I suggest you start with whatever part of the airplane YOU are motivated to build.... > > -------- > Jake Schultz - curator, > Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370001#370001 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 07:19:42 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: Where to start?
    << Where as the wings take more time and patients to build and store more readily. >> Only if you are in the medical profession and that is how you are financing your project. 8>) Stinemetze


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    Time: 07:49:33 AM PST US
    From: Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Covering is under way....
    No vacuum bagging involved??? Sincerely, The Peanut Gallery PS. looks good! do not archive On 04/02/2012 08:57 AM, Jim Markle wrote: > And incredibly fun! > > Still needs edge tape and some clean up here and there but...."The People's Plane" sees some progress! > > Jim in Pryor >


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    Time: 07:53:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Where to start?
    From: "Skagit" <ratkowskis@msn.com>
    Thanks all! Just wanted to make sure I didn't make some major sequencing error. I think I'll do the tail first. Being my first build I like the idea of getting a feel for everything before I throw a bunch of money at it. Rob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370024#370024


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    Time: 08:02:02 AM PST US
    From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
    Subject: Re: Where to start?
    <<Thanks all! Just wanted to make sure I didn't make some major sequencing error. I think I'll do the tail first. Being my first build I like the idea of getting a feel for everything before I throw a bunch of money at it. Rob>> Good choice Rob. Those parts will give you a very good feel for how the remainder of the airplane gets built. Just be sure to add the attachment points for the JATO rockets, smoke generators, and tailhook now so you don't have to go back and cobble up your hard work later. Tom Stinemetze N328X (currently building, demolishing, and rebuilding the instrument panel) do not archive


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    Time: 08:02:32 AM PST US
    From: Jeff Wilson <jlwilsonnn@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Piets West
    I like to refer to airports like "Parker Ashland Muni" as 'Pilot Controlled' Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Apr 4, 2012, at 12:33 AM, Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > > John asked- > > > >> when are you heading this way? > > > > Well, it turns out that I met a very nice gent at Ashland Parker Muni > > last Saturday and we've struck a deal where I can share his hangar. He's > > building a Q2 (super low wing), so with my high wing we should be a good > > fit. "My" side of the hangar should be cleared out by June if all goes > > as planned, so I should be able to fly Scout out West by the time genuine > > summertime comes to the Pacific Northwest. Late June, early July. Should > > be a great time to be out smashing bugs with the windscreen! > > > > Ashland Parker Muni is uncontrolled and friendly (more so than Medford > > Int'l., which has scheduled commercial flights, is controlled, and has > > roving guards keeping the world safe and demanding to see photo IDs). > > > Oscar Zuniga > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" > Medford/Ashland, OR > website at http://www.flysquirrel.net > > > >


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    Time: 08:05:46 AM PST US
    From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
    Subject: Re: Model A & Model T
    stock model T engine 20 HP Stock Model A engine 40 HP Stock Model B engine 50HP (improved Model A) ----- Original Message ----- From: bubbleboy <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A & Model T > > Just wondering, are there any differences between the engine in the Model T & Model A Ford? I had a discovery today of 2 Model T chassis's with > engines and have been told the guy who owns these has 21 of them. > Not sure if they are all Model T or if he has any model A engines. > Are they the same engine? > > Scotty > > -------- > Tamworth, Australia > Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper > > www.scottyspietenpol.com > > Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to > start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be > modified. > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370012#370012 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:31:03 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Where to start?
    From: "Skagit" <ratkowskis@msn.com>
    TOMS(at)mcpcity.com wrote: > > Just be sure to add the attachment points for the JATO rockets, smoke generators, and tailhook now so you don't have to go back and cobble up your hard work later. > Sweet...does Keri-Ann sell plans for those? [Wink] Rob Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370028#370028


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    Time: 08:45:59 AM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: St. Croix Aerial Opinions?
    Yeah, you get to build four wings with two sets of 32 ribs and 42 pieces of wood for each rib. Biplanes look neat but ribs will drive you nuts. but its only time so whatever you like. Cheers, Jim B.


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    Time: 11:37:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: St. Croix Aerial Opinions?
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Hi Skagit - Is that your first name or your last? We love real names. Welcome to the world of Piets. Most of us who have successfully built and flown Pietenpols have stuck pretty close to the plans. It seems that most people who fly a lot have planes that are pretty close to the original. I can only think of two Aerials that I've seen pictures of in completed form. That's an indicator. I also think you'd be on your own in terms of design support, knowing what little I know about Chad Wille. If you really want a biplane then you may want to look at a design that started life as a biplane. Or do like some of us: build a Piet and make the next project a biplane. Again, welcome. -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370037#370037


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    Time: 03:10:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model A & Model T
    From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
    Hiya Tools...thank you for that! that is good to know. How do you tell the difference then? Is it serial numbers? Fords are pretty rare here in Australia so to find these is great! I havent spoken to the guy in person yet but have his contact details. One day a Scout might be nice to build with a Ford engine. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370050#370050


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    Time: 03:17:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Model A & Model T
    From: "bubbleboy" <scott.dawson3@bigpond.com>
    Thanks guys. That is a big Hp difference! I need to speak with the guy and see what he has. Scotty -------- Tamworth, Australia Building a Corvair Powered Pietenpol Air Camper www.scottyspietenpol.com Rudder, Vert stab, Elevators, Hor Stab and Ribs built...About to start fuselage...Corvair engine at Roy's Garage waiting to be modified. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370052#370052




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