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1. 03:51 AM - Re: Piets West (Jack)
2. 08:22 AM - Forgive the intrusion good people (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
3. 10:36 AM - 104 days... (Dan Yocum)
4. 12:45 PM - Building Material and Hardware Prices (Piet2112)
5. 01:44 PM - Re: Building Material and Hardware Prices (Ben Charvet)
6. 05:50 PM - Re: Where to start? (C N Campbell)
7. 06:15 PM - Re: Building Material and Hardware Prices (Dave Millikan)
8. 10:11 PM - Wouldn't it be better if. . . (flea)
9. 10:52 PM - Re: Wouldn't it be better if. . . (Chris)
10. 11:09 PM - Re: Wouldn't it be better if. . . (flea)
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Mine is the 28th also Oscar. I plan to be at OSH Enjoy your special day!
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:37 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets West
Clif; I've been in contact with a few friends, builders and pilots, about
Arlington. I've never been, but it's right around my birthday (July 28 is
my birthday) so maybe I'm due for a visit! I might just have the airplane
up here by then and it would really make for a fun and interesting flight.
I'd have to stop in Independence and visit Ernie Moreno and the guys, maybe
pick up a wingman there.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford/Ashland, OR
website <mailto:taildrags@website> at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Forgive the intrusion good people |
One of my favorite movie trailers.....besides maybe Airplane.
Loved the role of Newt, the CAA Inspector played by actor Geoffery Lewis.
Perfect for the part.
1:14 long
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfZhXhCGwEA
Happy Easter weekend to all,
Mike C.
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until Brodhead!
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| Subject: | Building Material and Hardware Prices |
I thought there needed to be a thread where we could pass along
info on prices for building material and hardware.
I talked to B&B yesterday and their current rate for turnbuckles is $6
a piece. Of course that is $18 per assembly. Their price for AN115-21 shackles
are $10.
Needing about 30 of each, that's almost $900. Thats a lot of beer!
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Building Material and Hardware Prices |
I eliminated quite a few shackles by making my wire connections directly
to the turnbuckle or the fitting (on the tail surfaces for example).
Just a bit of reality. Although you will hear people tell of building
and flying a Piet for $7000, I spent $15K on mine and its finished with
Latex, and built with locally acquired Douglas Fir. Just saying...
Ben
On 4/6/2012 3:42 PM, Piet2112 wrote:
> --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Piet2112"<curtdm@gmail.com>
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> I thought there needed to be a thread where we could pass along
> info on prices for building material and hardware.
>
> I talked to B&B yesterday and their current rate for turnbuckles is $6
> a piece. Of course that is $18 per assembly. Their price for AN115-21 shackles
are $10.
>
> Needing about 30 of each, that's almost $900. Thats a lot of beer!
>
> Curt Merdan
> Flower Mound, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370169#370169
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>
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: Where to start? |
I started with the tail members, then went to the wing ribs, finally to the
fuselage. Got it about 1/3 done and switched to the wing. Built the
3-piece version -- right wing first, left wing next, then the center
section. Finally got back to the fuselage. Incidentally, while all this
was going on built up a WW conversion Corvair engine. Looks great. Haven't
run it yet. As soon as the fuselage is far enough along I'll mount the
engine and give her a whirl. Most of the engine work was done at Corvair
College #21. Hope this helps -- it really doesn't matter where you start.
Things just sort of move along. C
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From: "Skagit" <ratkowskis@msn.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where to start?
>
> Like I mentioned in my other post, I'm a new builder hoping to start this
> fall. Question for the group is...where do most people start? Wing ribs?
> Empenage?
>
> I was thinking of starting with the tail, mostly because I was thinking
> about building an RV-8 a while back ($!), and that just seems to be where
> you start, so I carried that thought over to the Piet.
>
> Any input appreciated...
>
> --Skagit out 8)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370000#370000
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| Subject: | Re: Building Material and Hardware Prices |
After WW! turnbuckles musta been cheep.
I have got around that several ways.
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I have used a steel tube drag trus- in the wings ala Starduster Too
no tbuckles..I am using a different tail- wire design, no turn buckles.
My wings are complete.. N1QZ--- hate to paint !
Dave
--- On Fri, 4/6/12, Piet2112 <curtdm@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Piet2112 <curtdm@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building Material and Hardware Prices
I thought there needed to be a thread where we could pass along
info on prices for building material and hardware.
I talked to B&B yesterday and their current rate for turnbuckles is $6
a piece.- Of course that is $18 per assembly.- Their price for AN115-21
shackles are $10.
Needing about 30 of each, that's almost $900. Thats a lot of beer!
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370169#370169
le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Wouldn't it be better if. . . |
Ok, so I always told myself I wouldn't second guess 90 years of success. I wouldn't
try re-inventing the better mousetrap or re-discovering fire.
But here is my mousetrap.
I have been working on my Piet for some time now, and the wood work is about 90%
done. I have built and re-built it probably a dozen times now as things look
wrong to me. One of these areas has been my turtle deck, you know that area with
all the stringers - well mine was doo doo, so some quick work with a saw and
it's gone. After seeing the plane with that turtle deck removed, I was struck
with either a flash of brilliance, or an attack of cranial-rectal infusion.
I need your help deciding which it is.
What I was thinking was that the turtle deck from behind the pilot's seat and extending
back those first two bays could be removable or hinged to open like a
lid on an old trunk. The idea is that upon completion, it would make inspection
and maintenance MUCH easier than trying to go through some little inspection
holes.
Now if I understand the engineering correctly, the strength of the fuse comes from
the 1X1 longerons and all of the associated trusses etc. The turtle deck is
there for aerodynamic and aesthetic reasons. I am not proposing to change anything
about the longerons or even the shape of the deck, just make it removable,
and held on with a series of leather straps and buckles to fit in with the
period of the design.
Am I way off on this? will I be adversely affecting the structural integrity of
the design? That is of course the only real question, I don't want to sacrifice
safety.
I know I can do anything I want, but is this a dangerous plot destined for the
headlines?
Jim
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| Subject: | Wouldn't it be better if. . . |
Jim
First of all, stick to the plans. And besides it will add weight so don't
do it. But that isn't what you asked so I'm guessing it would be ok. The
Flybaby has an option to make the turtle deck removable and it is built a
lot like the Pietenpol. Maybe they can help you design it if you go that
rout. If all your looking for is access, many people have installed a large
aluminum panel on the bottom of the fuselage under the bell crank. This
should provide easy access.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flea
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:10 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wouldn't it be better if. . .
Ok, so I always told myself I wouldn't second guess 90 years of success. I
wouldn't try re-inventing the better mousetrap or re-discovering fire.
But here is my mousetrap.
I have been working on my Piet for some time now, and the wood work is about
90% done. I have built and re-built it probably a dozen times now as things
look wrong to me. One of these areas has been my turtle deck, you know that
area with all the stringers - well mine was doo doo, so some quick work with
a saw and it's gone. After seeing the plane with that turtle deck removed, I
was struck with either a flash of brilliance, or an attack of cranial-rectal
infusion. I need your help deciding which it is.
What I was thinking was that the turtle deck from behind the pilot's seat
and extending back those first two bays could be removable or hinged to open
like a lid on an old trunk. The idea is that upon completion, it would make
inspection and maintenance MUCH easier than trying to go through some little
inspection holes.
Now if I understand the engineering correctly, the strength of the fuse
comes from the 1X1 longerons and all of the associated trusses etc. The
turtle deck is there for aerodynamic and aesthetic reasons. I am not
proposing to change anything about the longerons or even the shape of the
deck, just make it removable, and held on with a series of leather straps
and buckles to fit in with the period of the design.
Am I way off on this? will I be adversely affecting the structural integrity
of the design? That is of course the only real question, I don't want to
sacrifice safety.
I know I can do anything I want, but is this a dangerous plot destined for
the headlines?
Jim
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370192#370192
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| Subject: | Re: Wouldn't it be better if. . . |
Weight is always a concern, and one I have thought about. But like I said, or meant
to say anyhow, it is very open with it removed. I hadn't thought about an
aluminum panel on the bottom though, that might well be a better idea.
What prompted the question is that I have studied literally hundreds of pictures
in every stage of construction, thank you everyone that has uploaded to west
coast piet. And have never seen that in there. figured there must be a reason.
Anyway, AL panel on the bottom sounds like a better idea. Thanks.
Jim
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