---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 04/06/12: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:51 AM - Re: Piets West (Jack) 2. 08:22 AM - Forgive the intrusion good people (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]) 3. 10:36 AM - 104 days... (Dan Yocum) 4. 12:45 PM - Building Material and Hardware Prices (Piet2112) 5. 01:44 PM - Re: Building Material and Hardware Prices (Ben Charvet) 6. 05:50 PM - Re: Where to start? (C N Campbell) 7. 06:15 PM - Re: Building Material and Hardware Prices (Dave Millikan) 8. 10:11 PM - Wouldn't it be better if. . . (flea) 9. 10:52 PM - Re: Wouldn't it be better if. . . (Chris) 10. 11:09 PM - Re: Wouldn't it be better if. . . (flea) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:51:11 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Piets West Mine is the 28th also Oscar. I plan to be at OSH Enjoy your special day! Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 10:37 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piets West Clif; I've been in contact with a few friends, builders and pilots, about Arlington. I've never been, but it's right around my birthday (July 28 is my birthday) so maybe I'm due for a visit! I might just have the airplane up here by then and it would really make for a fun and interesting flight. I'd have to stop in Independence and visit Ernie Moreno and the guys, maybe pick up a wingman there. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford/Ashland, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:22:34 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Forgive the intrusion good people One of my favorite movie trailers.....besides maybe Airplane. Loved the role of Newt, the CAA Inspector played by actor Geoffery Lewis. Perfect for the part. 1:14 long http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfZhXhCGwEA Happy Easter weekend to all, Mike C. do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:36:47 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Pietenpol-List: 104 days... until Brodhead! do not archive ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building Material and Hardware Prices From: "Piet2112" I thought there needed to be a thread where we could pass along info on prices for building material and hardware. I talked to B&B yesterday and their current rate for turnbuckles is $6 a piece. Of course that is $18 per assembly. Their price for AN115-21 shackles are $10. Needing about 30 of each, that's almost $900. Thats a lot of beer! Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370169#370169 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:14 PM PST US From: Ben Charvet Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Material and Hardware Prices I eliminated quite a few shackles by making my wire connections directly to the turnbuckle or the fitting (on the tail surfaces for example). Just a bit of reality. Although you will hear people tell of building and flying a Piet for $7000, I spent $15K on mine and its finished with Latex, and built with locally acquired Douglas Fir. Just saying... Ben On 4/6/2012 3:42 PM, Piet2112 wrote: > --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Piet2112" > > I thought there needed to be a thread where we could pass along > info on prices for building material and hardware. > > I talked to B&B yesterday and their current rate for turnbuckles is $6 > a piece. Of course that is $18 per assembly. Their price for AN115-21 shackles are $10. > > Needing about 30 of each, that's almost $900. Thats a lot of beer! > > Curt Merdan > Flower Mound, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370169#370169 > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:50:19 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Where to start? I started with the tail members, then went to the wing ribs, finally to the fuselage. Got it about 1/3 done and switched to the wing. Built the 3-piece version -- right wing first, left wing next, then the center section. Finally got back to the fuselage. Incidentally, while all this was going on built up a WW conversion Corvair engine. Looks great. Haven't run it yet. As soon as the fuselage is far enough along I'll mount the engine and give her a whirl. Most of the engine work was done at Corvair College #21. Hope this helps -- it really doesn't matter where you start. Things just sort of move along. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Skagit" Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2012 10:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Where to start? > > Like I mentioned in my other post, I'm a new builder hoping to start this > fall. Question for the group is...where do most people start? Wing ribs? > Empenage? > > I was thinking of starting with the tail, mostly because I was thinking > about building an RV-8 a while back ($!), and that just seems to be where > you start, so I carried that thought over to the Piet. > > Any input appreciated... > > --Skagit out 8) > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370000#370000 > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:15:29 PM PST US From: Dave Millikan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Building Material and Hardware Prices After WW! turnbuckles musta been cheep. I have got around that several ways. - I have used a steel tube drag trus- in the wings ala Starduster Too no tbuckles..I am using a different tail- wire design, no turn buckles. My wings are complete.. N1QZ--- hate to paint ! Dave --- On Fri, 4/6/12, Piet2112 wrote: From: Piet2112 Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building Material and Hardware Prices I thought there needed to be a thread where we could pass along info on prices for building material and hardware. I talked to B&B yesterday and their current rate for turnbuckles is $6 a piece.- Of course that is $18 per assembly.- Their price for AN115-21 shackles are $10. Needing about 30 of each, that's almost $900. Thats a lot of beer! Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370169#370169 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wouldn't it be better if. . . From: "flea" Ok, so I always told myself I wouldn't second guess 90 years of success. I wouldn't try re-inventing the better mousetrap or re-discovering fire. But here is my mousetrap. I have been working on my Piet for some time now, and the wood work is about 90% done. I have built and re-built it probably a dozen times now as things look wrong to me. One of these areas has been my turtle deck, you know that area with all the stringers - well mine was doo doo, so some quick work with a saw and it's gone. After seeing the plane with that turtle deck removed, I was struck with either a flash of brilliance, or an attack of cranial-rectal infusion. I need your help deciding which it is. What I was thinking was that the turtle deck from behind the pilot's seat and extending back those first two bays could be removable or hinged to open like a lid on an old trunk. The idea is that upon completion, it would make inspection and maintenance MUCH easier than trying to go through some little inspection holes. Now if I understand the engineering correctly, the strength of the fuse comes from the 1X1 longerons and all of the associated trusses etc. The turtle deck is there for aerodynamic and aesthetic reasons. I am not proposing to change anything about the longerons or even the shape of the deck, just make it removable, and held on with a series of leather straps and buckles to fit in with the period of the design. Am I way off on this? will I be adversely affecting the structural integrity of the design? That is of course the only real question, I don't want to sacrifice safety. I know I can do anything I want, but is this a dangerous plot destined for the headlines? Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370192#370192 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:52:30 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wouldn't it be better if. . . Jim First of all, stick to the plans. And besides it will add weight so don't do it. But that isn't what you asked so I'm guessing it would be ok. The Flybaby has an option to make the turtle deck removable and it is built a lot like the Pietenpol. Maybe they can help you design it if you go that rout. If all your looking for is access, many people have installed a large aluminum panel on the bottom of the fuselage under the bell crank. This should provide easy access. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flea Sent: Friday, April 06, 2012 10:10 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wouldn't it be better if. . . Ok, so I always told myself I wouldn't second guess 90 years of success. I wouldn't try re-inventing the better mousetrap or re-discovering fire. But here is my mousetrap. I have been working on my Piet for some time now, and the wood work is about 90% done. I have built and re-built it probably a dozen times now as things look wrong to me. One of these areas has been my turtle deck, you know that area with all the stringers - well mine was doo doo, so some quick work with a saw and it's gone. After seeing the plane with that turtle deck removed, I was struck with either a flash of brilliance, or an attack of cranial-rectal infusion. I need your help deciding which it is. What I was thinking was that the turtle deck from behind the pilot's seat and extending back those first two bays could be removable or hinged to open like a lid on an old trunk. The idea is that upon completion, it would make inspection and maintenance MUCH easier than trying to go through some little inspection holes. Now if I understand the engineering correctly, the strength of the fuse comes from the 1X1 longerons and all of the associated trusses etc. The turtle deck is there for aerodynamic and aesthetic reasons. I am not proposing to change anything about the longerons or even the shape of the deck, just make it removable, and held on with a series of leather straps and buckles to fit in with the period of the design. Am I way off on this? will I be adversely affecting the structural integrity of the design? That is of course the only real question, I don't want to sacrifice safety. I know I can do anything I want, but is this a dangerous plot destined for the headlines? Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370192#370192 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:46 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wouldn't it be better if. . . From: "flea" Weight is always a concern, and one I have thought about. But like I said, or meant to say anyhow, it is very open with it removed. I hadn't thought about an aluminum panel on the bottom though, that might well be a better idea. What prompted the question is that I have studied literally hundreds of pictures in every stage of construction, thank you everyone that has uploaded to west coast piet. And have never seen that in there. figured there must be a reason. Anyway, AL panel on the bottom sounds like a better idea. Thanks. Jim Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370194#370194 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.