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1. 12:21 AM - Re: Re: Marvel mystery oil (Ryan Mueller)
2. 04:06 AM - Re: Hinge Lugs (Jack)
3. 05:31 AM - Re: Marvel mystery oil (Jim Ash)
4. 05:47 AM - Re: update on NX53WE (Jack Phillips)
5. 05:50 AM - fuel additives (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 05:58 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 04/10/12 (Donald Lane)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: Marvel mystery oil (Amsafetyc)
8. 06:43 AM - Mags in classified (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
9. 07:09 AM - Re: Question for GN-1 drivers (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
10. 07:10 AM - Re: Marvel mystery oil (Greg Chapman)
11. 07:18 AM - Re: Hinge Lugs (K5YAC)
12. 07:30 AM - Re: Hinge Lugs (kevinpurtee)
13. 08:33 AM - Re:Marvel mystery oil analytical methods of physical science and mixtures (AMsafetyC@aol.com)
14. 08:35 AM - Re: Question for GN-1 drivers (Don Emch)
15. 09:01 AM - Re: Re:Marvel mystery oil analytical methods of physical science and mixtures (gboothe5@comcast.net)
16. 09:36 AM - Re: Re:Marvel mystery oil analytical methods of physical science and mixtures (Greg Chapman)
17. 12:05 PM - Re: Re: Hinge Lugs (Jack@textors.com)
18. 01:35 PM - Steerable tailwheel or swivel? (Skagit)
19. 01:47 PM - Re: Marvel mystery oil (Ryan Mueller)
20. 01:59 PM - Steerable tailwheel or swivel? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
21. 02:18 PM - old wives tales (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
22. 02:33 PM - Overkill... (aerocarjake)
23. 02:35 PM - Re: Marvel mystery oil (Steve Emo)
24. 02:47 PM - Re: Overkill... (gboothe5@comcast.net)
25. 02:53 PM - Tony Bingelis on fuel systems, lines, tanks (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[ASRC AEROSPACE CORP])
26. 04:37 PM - Re: Overkill... (helspersew@aol.com)
27. 04:40 PM - Re: 100LL Additive (TriScout)
28. 05:37 PM - Re: Overkill... (aerocarjake)
29. 07:55 PM - Re: Steerable tailwheel or swivel? (Skagit)
30. 07:55 PM - Re: Marvel mystery oil (Dick N)
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
Never saw a problem when applied...E-2, J-2, J-3, Tri-Pacer, Bamboo Bomber,
but then always applied at fueling, so the sloshing should take care of
that...
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 5:42 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
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> No , it sat there and didnt mix. Try it, I did, it sits there on the
> bottom and wont mix.
> Dick N.
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "womenfly2" <Love2Fly.KAP@gmail.com>
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 2:05 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Marvel mystery oil
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Mark, what Bill said...
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K5YAC
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 3:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hinge Lugs
Somebody help me out here... I'm just not seeing the purpose.
Why are the holes drilled 1/8" off center?
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Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
I suppose the question becomes the solubility of MMO in gasoline. Does it truly
dissolve, or does it just break up in suspension then separate back out? I dunno.
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Charvet
Sent: Apr 10, 2012 8:12 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
The Marvel Mystery Oil will settle to the bottom of the tank if you pour it indirectly.
I always add it to my 5 gal jug of ethanol free mogas. I sumped the
tank on my old Baby Ace once after adding MMO and the sample smelled like MMO.
Ben
On 4/10/2012 2:20 PM, Dick N wrote:
I am going to give a word of caution on MMO. When adding it to gas if you choose
to, add it to a small amount of gas and shake up the can very well. I have
been told by a couple of older men from my EAA chapter about a couple of crashes
of J-3's using MMO.
The cause of the crashes was the MMO going directely to the gascolater and not
alowing fuel to get thru.
Dick N.
--
Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | update on NX53WE |
Great news, Bob,
Where are you located? Will we see this Pietenpol at Brodhead this year?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob edson
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2012 9:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: update on NX53WE
We finished the painting and will start putting the gear on today. We
ordered all new bolts and nuts for everything so all will pass inspection
and look good. We started august 2010 so our progress has been good.I
figured about 2200 hours so far,(I am retired) It is yellow and a medium
blue from stewart system,expensive but it looks good with a nice shine.The
wheels are 21 inch all stainless steel with ash gear and I fiberglassed the
gear so it looks great. I will send pictures when we progress a little more.
It is starting to get exciting now. Bob
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Just to cloud the issue a bit.
I know Lowell, who has many, many hours on many engines uses a small amount
(don't remember the amount) of synthetic two cycle oil in his fuel and has
had very good luck with it.
Just passing on info, never tried it myself.
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 22 Msgs - 04/10/12 |
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> Time: 06:56:09 AM PST US
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: 100LL Additive
> From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber@yahoo.com>
>
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> Hello all..
>
> I'm sure it's been talked about time and time again,.. but..
>
> Does anyone have a recommended amount of additive (i.e. Marvel Mystery
> Oil) for
> an A65-8? ..
>
> I was looking on the Harry Fenton webpage for an answer, but didn't find
> it. I
> now have several 'sorties' on my machine, running just 100LL, and am
> hearing from
> some folk at my workplace that it's good for the motor to put some sort of
> additive if I don't have the 80 octane available. I don't care much for
> the smell
> of autogas, and do not wish to hoard it to the airport, so I prefer to
> just
> run the 100LL w/an additive..thx in advance
>
> Larry (KLNC)
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=370438#370438
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After pulling the head off and the valves out of my Ford A, because I had
exhaust valves sticking, if I didn't run it at least once a week. I
couldn't find any thing wrong, reassembled it and am now running 2 oz to 5
gal 100LL, and it runs fine???? I don't really believe in additives, but I'm
sticking with it. Thanks for the tip, on mixing. I just dumped a 1/4 cup
of MMO in a full 5 Gal can last night and thought it would mix itself riding
in the pickup. I will split it into 2 cans and shake it up good.
Don in Minnesott Beach NC>
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
Certainly easy enough to find out by setting up an in home lab
3 clear glass (flint glass) jars with lids of the same capacity say 32 ounces.
Establish a scale of 1 oz is = to a gallon fill each with 16 oz of fuel.
Jar 1 add the mmo directly to the fuel in the recommended proportion with no mixing
or agitation of any type screw the lid on and let stand undisturbed
Jar 2 add the same amount of fuel and mmo and agitate vigorously cap and set next
to jar 1
Jar 3 is your control same amount of fuel and no mmo cap and store next to jar
2
Let all 3 stand for upon placement on the shelf and without movement observe the
jars making note of disbursement or non disbursement , color striations and
locations in the jar top bottom and middle
Next wait 1 hour and reexamine as in the first notation
Re examine in 4 hours same methodology
Reexamine in 24 hours same methodology
Reexamine in 1 week same
Methodology
At the end of the experiment you should know if it is immediately soluble in gas
without agitation and the crash data is suspect
Agitation puts it into suspension that is permanent or temporary and how well the
mixture remains in suspension or does it precipitate out and settle at the
bottom
Observe the control for any stray precipitates that may be present in the fuel
Obviously this cam be made more sophisticated by using calibrated glass ware and
accurate scales and specific gravity instrumentation
This however is not rocket science but a simple experiment to identify how mmo
acts in the fuel tank
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I suppose the question becomes the solubility of MMO in gasoline. Does it truly
dissolve, or does it just break up in suspension then separate back out? I
dunno.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Charvet
> Sent: Apr 10, 2012 8:12 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
>
> The Marvel Mystery Oil will settle to the bottom of the tank if you pour it indirectly.
I always add it to my 5 gal jug of ethanol free mogas. I sumped the
tank on my old Baby Ace once after adding MMO and the sample smelled like MMO.
>
> Ben
> On 4/10/2012 2:20 PM, Dick N wrote:
>
>
>
> I am going to give a word of caution on MMO. When adding it to gas if you choose
to, add it to a small amount of gas and shake up the can very well. I have
been told by a couple of older men from my EAA chapter about a couple of crashes
of J-3's using MMO.
> The cause of the crashes was the MMO going directely to the gascolater and not
alowing fuel to get thru.
> Dick N.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
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| Subject: | Mags in classified |
Saw these mags on our local classified.... Don't know anything about
them but thought I would pass it on. Could be used for parts or
possibly boat anchors. I have no affiliation with seller or the ad.
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=218&ad=19926356&cat=151&lpid=&se
arch
Brian
SLC-UT
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| Subject: | Question for GN-1 drivers |
John,
The thrust line on Felix is even with the top longeron. I believe a stock
J3 engine mount was used on my plane, this puts the engine mount flange
about 7" forward of the fire wall. If I were building an engine mount for a
GN1 that distance would be 11" to 13". That would help with W&B and make it
alot easier to safty the oil screen.
Skip
> [Original Message]
> From: John Franklin <jbfjr@peoplepc.com>
> To: Piet_List <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: 4/10/2012 9:01:09 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Question for GN-1 drivers
>
>
> Could you tell me where your engine thrust line is with respect to the
top of the top longeron? I'm in the process of building my engine mount
and I can't find it referenced in either the "new" or the original plans.
>
> Thanks,
> John Franklin
> Prairie Aire 4TA0
> GN-1 / Corvair
>
> ________________________________________
>
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| Subject: | Marvel mystery oil |
I suggest one more test. Since it may not be a matter of suspension vs
solution, you might also want to perform a strainer test at the end of the
series to determine whether any precipitate is captured on a gascolator
screen from jars 1 and 2.
Greg Chapman
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Amsafetyc
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
Certainly easy enough to find out by setting up an in home lab
3 clear glass (flint glass) jars with lids of the same capacity say 32
ounces. Establish a scale of 1 oz is = to a gallon fill each with 16 oz of
fuel.
Jar 1 add the mmo directly to the fuel in the recommended proportion with no
mixing or agitation of any type screw the lid on and let stand undisturbed
Jar 2 add the same amount of fuel and mmo and agitate vigorously cap and set
next to jar 1
Jar 3 is your control same amount of fuel and no mmo cap and store next to
jar 2
Let all 3 stand for upon placement on the shelf and without movement observe
the jars making note of disbursement or non disbursement , color striations
and locations in the jar top bottom and middle
Next wait 1 hour and reexamine as in the first notation
Re examine in 4 hours same methodology
Reexamine in 24 hours same methodology
Reexamine in 1 week same
Methodology
At the end of the experiment you should know if it is immediately soluble in
gas without agitation and the crash data is suspect
Agitation puts it into suspension that is permanent or temporary and how
well the mixture remains in suspension or does it precipitate out and settle
at the bottom
Observe the control for any stray precipitates that may be present in the
fuel
Obviously this cam be made more sophisticated by using calibrated glass ware
and accurate scales and specific gravity instrumentation
This however is not rocket science but a simple experiment to identify how
mmo acts in the fuel tank
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 11, 2012, at 8:29 AM, Jim Ash <ashcan@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I suppose the question becomes the solubility of MMO in gasoline. Does it
truly dissolve, or does it just break up in suspension then separate back
out? I dunno.
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ben Charvet
> Sent: Apr 10, 2012 8:12 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
>
> The Marvel Mystery Oil will settle to the bottom of the tank if you pour
it indirectly. I always add it to my 5 gal jug of ethanol free mogas. I
sumped the tank on my old Baby Ace once after adding MMO and the sample
smelled like MMO.
>
> Ben
> On 4/10/2012 2:20 PM, Dick N wrote:
>
>
>
> I am going to give a word of caution on MMO. When adding it to gas if you
choose to, add it to a small amount of gas and shake up the can very well.
I have been told by a couple of older men from my EAA chapter about a couple
of crashes of J-3's using MMO.
> The cause of the crashes was the MMO going directely to the gascolater and
not alowing fuel to get thru.
> Dick N.
>
>
>
>
> --
> Ben Charvet, PharmD
> Staff Pharmacist
> Parrish Medical center
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Thanks guys... I also got a phone call from one of our experienced builders/fliers
that explained it the same way. What I didn't realize, or must have overlooked
is that the outer two are turned 180* to the inner lug... makes perfect
sense now.
Jack... your work is superb. Your photos are always very clear and the fitment
and welding is as nice as I've ever seen.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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I've quit looking at Jack Textor's pictures 'cause they make me feel so inadequate....
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re:Marvel mystery oil analytical methods of physical science |
and mixtures
easily enough done with a paint filter pre weight and post weight but not
certain if anyone has a gram-matic enclosed or beam balance to be able to
calculate the residue retained in the filter. Obviously the accuracy is a
matter of available equipment its sensitivity and parameters of operation
along with calibration information
Juss sayin
Not Rocket science, not even close:
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtKQpMoplYk_ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtKQpMoplYk)
John
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| Subject: | Re: Question for GN-1 drivers |
Skip...
Beautiful picture! I really need to get down there some time and check your place
out.
Don Emch
NX899DE
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re:Marvel mystery oil analytical methods of physical |
science and mixtures
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| Subject: | Re:Marvel mystery oil analytical methods of physical |
science and mixtures
As far as I know, only one of those flies and that one doesn't have any
valves or gascolators to worry about.
Greg Chapman
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
gboothe5@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 11:01 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re:Marvel mystery oil analytical methods of
physical science and mixtures
Y'all are trying to take the 'mystery' out of Marvel Mystery Oil. Why? Are
we also to discover the truth behind Santa Claus...Easter
Rabbit...Leprechauns? Where does it end?
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Mark and Kevin, thanks for the kind words. You should see the 4130 in the t
rash...
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Apr 11, 2012, at 9:17 AM, "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks guys... I also got a phone call from one of our experienced builder
s/fliers that explained it the same way. What I didn't realize, or must hav
e overlooked is that the outer two are turned 180* to the inner lug... makes
perfect sense now.
>
> Jack... your work is superb. Your photos are always very clear and the fi
tment and welding is as nice as I've ever seen.
>
> --------
> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage framed up - Working on Fuselage
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| Subject: | Steerable tailwheel or swivel? |
Moving down the list of design decisions...
In the interest of saving weight, would it be feasible to use brake control for
steering and forgo a steerable tailwheel? Or do the benefits of a steerable
tailwheel outweigh the weight savings?
(Outweigh the weight? There's a joke there somewhere, I just can't find it at
the moment...)
Thanks again,
--Rob 8)
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
No offense, but that sounds like old wive's tales. Even if you pour it
directly into the tank without adding the fuel, the act of taxiing to the
runway and the vibration of the engine is going to cause agitation in the
tank that should disperse the additive. And either way....MMO would have to
sludge up pretty well to clog the input fitting on the gascolator....and if
it didn't clog until it was in the gascolator, what would be so different
about swirling around in the gascolator than in the tank? Just old guys
telling stories for something to do....
Ryan
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> **
> I am going to give a word of caution on MMO. When adding it to gas if you
> choose to, add it to a small amount of gas and shake up the can very well.
> I have been told by a couple of older men from my EAA chapter about a
> couple of crashes of J-3's using MMO.
> The cause of the crashes was the MMO going directely to the gascolater and
> not alowing fuel to get thru.
> Dick N.
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| Subject: | Steerable tailwheel or swivel? |
Rob,
A fixed or steerable tailwheel are far better than a swiveling tailwheel. T
he last thing you ever
want to fly is a fully-swiveling tailwheel. You're not going to save any w
eight with a steerable
vs. swiveling tailwheel. If you're really looking to save weight use a ta
ilskid as per the plans
but that has its own set of limitations.
To me a steerable tailwheel is the only way to go on a Pietenpol where you
intend to fly out of paved
strips.
May I ask if you've flown any conventional gear aircraft yet Rob?
Mike C.
There are a few choices of tailwheels here to look at:
http://www.wicksaircraft.com/catalog/product_cat.php/subid=9051/index.htm
l
This is what I purchased and use on my Pietenpol. For some reason this tai
lwheel came out
of 'steerable' mode way too easily and nearly caused me to wreck my plane o
n one of my first
few landings when it kicked out of steerable mode into full-swivel mode.
It is only supposed
to kick out of steerable mode at very slow speeds when you apply full rudde
r and or differential
braking to pivot around one wheel in tight quarters or around gas pumps.
To me the danger of this full-swivel option was so great that I took the th
ing apart and saw
how the mechanism worked and quickly ground out a detent for a spring-loade
d locking pin so it
would basically always and forever be just a totally steerable-only tailwhe
el.
After 450 flying hours during the last 14 years I've had no more issues wit
h it and find it turns
tightly enough for my wishes, even on narrow runways when I want to do a 18
0 degree turn.
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I have to agree with Ryan Mueller on the Marvel Mystery Oil stories as I've
been using the stuff in my fuel and oil in A-65's
in my old Champ and Piet since 1989 with no issues at all.
You can't be adding gobs of the stuff but even if you did I'd have to beli
eve it would still flow thru (even raw) a gascolator screen.
The very best things we can do are drain, inspect, and remove and blow clea
n our gascolator screens yearly on inspection and the
little carb screen on the small Continentals. This screen is often overl
ooked but it worth taking a look-see at especially if you see
lots of crud in your gascolator screen.
Water I think is the bigger culprit of any contamination with condensation
on high humidity nights or parked overnight in a little
rain shower. Gotta drain the thing before flying for sure and take a good
look for water.
Mike C.
The carb thimble-type screen is located right under that hex nut on the rig
ht side of the carb that is safety-wired. That screen is
the last chance department for filtering fuel before it sees the bowl/float
area.
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Hello good Piet-ple,
I guess anything worth doing is worth over-doing...
My welder and I were a bit apprehensive about steel-on-steel for the control torque
tube, so i machined up a couple bronze bushings that snug fit into the tube.
(I will be drilling a hole through the tube and bushing for a 3/16 bolt that
will hold the bushing in place) You can see how the bearing surface will now
be bronze-on-steel instead of steel-on-steel.
Yes I know, it's overkill and this change adds a few ounces, but corrosion should
never be an issue and it's fun....!
Having a great time with the project in general and little details like this in
particular...!
High regards.......!
--------
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Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
It has been said one test is worth 1000 opinions. I have been using MMO for
over a year plus and no problem. I used it to try to reduce the carbon bui
ld up, not anything to do with lead fouling. I like the test recommendation
. I will also add a word of caution about nonAV gas. It has a max octane r
ating life of 6 months. MMO does nothing to extend auto gas life. I would a
sk if the J3 were using autofuel.
Steve
On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
> No offense, but that sounds like old wive's tales. Even if you pour it dir
ectly into the tank without adding the fuel, the act of taxiing to the runwa
y and the vibration of the engine is going to cause agitation in the tank th
at should disperse the additive. And either way....MMO would have to sludge u
p pretty well to clog the input fitting on the gascolator....and if it didn'
t clog until it was in the gascolator, what would be so different about swir
ling around in the gascolator than in the tank? Just old guys telling storie
s for something to do....
>
> Ryan
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net> wrote:
> I am going to give a word of caution on MMO. When adding it to gas if you
choose to, add it to a small amount of gas and shake up the can very well.
I have been told by a couple of older men from my EAA chapter about a coupl
e of crashes of J-3's using MMO.
> The cause of the crashes was the MMO going directely to the gascolater and
not alowing fuel to get thru.
> Dick N.
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Jake...Jake...Jake....Be prepared for a keyboard lashing from the Pietenpol Police!
All you needed was a small "oiling hole" in the top of the bushing. 80+ years
and no reported 'corrosion' in the per-plans projects.
Gary from Cool
----- Original Message -----
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:33:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Overkill...
Hello good Piet-ple,
I guess anything worth doing is worth over-doing...
My welder and I were a bit apprehensive about steel-on-steel for the control torque
tube, so i machined up a couple bronze bushings that snug fit into the tube.
(I will be drilling a hole through the tube and bushing for a 3/16 bolt that
will hold the bushing in place) You can see how the bearing surface will now
be bronze-on-steel instead of steel-on-steel.
Yes I know, it's overkill and this change adds a few ounces, but corrosion should
never be an issue and it's fun....!
Having a great time with the project in general and little details like this in
particular...!
High regards.......!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Tony Bingelis on fuel systems, lines, tanks |
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A "few onces" here, a "few ounces" there,......pretty soon it all adds up t
o real weight!! To quote an eloquent charactor from a famous, timeless mot
ion picture movie,... "We don'need no stink'n oiling hole"! I don't believe
my plans show an "oiling hole" there. Just a one-time greasing should take
care of it. Stick to the plans!!!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Wed, Apr 11, 2012 4:48 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Overkill...
Jake...Jake...Jake....Be prepared for a keyboard lashing from the Pietenpol
Police! All you needed was a small "oiling hole" in the top of the bushing
. 80+ years and no reported 'corrosion' in the per-plans projects.
Gary from Cool
From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 2:33:03 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Overkill...
Hello good Piet-ple,
I guess anything worth doing is worth over-doing...
My welder and I were a bit apprehensive about steel-on-steel for the contro
l torque tube, so i machined up a couple bronze bushings that snug fit into
the tube. (I will be drilling a hole through the tube and bushing for a 3/
16 bolt that will hold the bushing in place) You can see how the bearing su
rface will now be bronze-on-steel instead of steel-on-steel.
Yes I know, it's overkill and this change adds a few ounces, but corrosion
should never be an issue and it's fun....!
Having a great time with the project in general and little details like thi
s in particular...!
High regards.......!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: 100LL Additive |
Thanks Guys..for all the discussion. I'm liking the TCP treatment option that Steve
D. linked. It's shows FAA approved on the label, which kinda takes the guesswork
out of it. I'm thinking even if I put about half the recommended additive
in w/100LL, it's gotta be better than not putting anything in. Not that I've
had any problems w/out additive so far, but the A65 was originally meant for
80 Octain..
Larry
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Thanks...
I plan to add an OUNCE sixteen times an then take a POUNDing on this forum - ha!!
Actually very aware of weight - making conscious choices along the way to save
in most places and only add when I make a conscious choice to do so....
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| Subject: | Re: Steerable tailwheel or swivel? |
Got it...steerable.
That looks like a nice setup.
I've done a few hours in a Decathalon, but it was years ago. Never finished my
tailwheel endorsement.
Stay tuned for more rookie questions...
Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Marvel mystery oil |
Ryan
Like has been said before, You fly your and I will fly mine. Best luck
to you.
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan Mueller
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 3:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Marvel mystery oil
No offense, but that sounds like old wive's tales. Even if you pour it
directly into the tank without adding the fuel, the act of taxiing to
the runway and the vibration of the engine is going to cause agitation
in the tank that should disperse the additive. And either way....MMO
would have to sludge up pretty well to clog the input fitting on the
gascolator....and if it didn't clog until it was in the gascolator, what
would be so different about swirling around in the gascolator than in
the tank? Just old guys telling stories for something to do....
Ryan
On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 1:20 PM, Dick N <horzpool@goldengate.net>
wrote:
I am going to give a word of caution on MMO. When adding it to gas
if you choose to, add it to a small amount of gas and shake up the can
very well. I have been told by a couple of older men from my EAA
chapter about a couple of crashes of J-3's using MMO.
The cause of the crashes was the MMO going directely to the
gascolater and not alowing fuel to get thru.
Dick N.
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